Charity Cup Tournament ! Finals - Day 1

Charity Cup: Teams analysieren Strategien in EVE Online Finalrunden - Tag 1

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- 05.04.25 - 04:51:01 - 14.170 - EVE Online

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Der erste Tag der EVE Online Charity Cup Finals bietet intensive Gefechte. Teams wie Welp Drive Active, German Railgun Team und Lazy Piglets analysieren ihre Strategien. Schlüsselmomente, unerwartete Wendungen und taktische Manöver prägen die Matches auf dem Weg ins Halbfinale.

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00:03:50 It is a Sunday. Sorry, Saturday. Oh my God. You know, as somebody who's not a morning person, I woke up way too early for this, but I am just happy to be here. It is the last Saturday of...

00:04:09 The Charity Cup. And we're looking forward to some good matches. And yes, we have Emotional Desk Kitty to help out here. I'm Rose. We've got Ally in November here with us to kind of go through a little bit before the first match.

00:04:29 And we have some interesting matches on the bracket today. If we want to go ahead and pull up that image. We have Welp Drive Active vs. German Railgun Team. The Lazy Piglets vs. Blahajedine Freedom Fighters. Honkai Delta Force vs. Evasive Maneuvering. And Rage Sub Cancel Quit vs. Shrimps' Bugs. As I look around a cat here.

00:04:56 I will say, so these are best of three, so we will see all of these teams play three times. And give us, hopefully, some wonderful matches. Each pairing, so Whelp Drive Active and German Railgun Team, each of these pairings will play three matches today. Then we go to the semifinals.

00:05:25 So, that will give us more time to see the teams. It'll give us... You can go ahead and switch back to Dusk.

00:05:49 But this will give us a chance to see some of the crazy things that teams may or may not decide to bring. And see some really interesting comps as we get into the final two days.

00:06:04 November, we have seen quite a bit of new teams, experienced teams, of the teams going in the quarterfinals. Who's kind of sticking out to you? Well, I mean, having watched them all play through, I'm going to throw my money behind Rage Sub. I think that they have the power to go all the way.

00:06:30 I know that we practiced against them quite a bit when we were coming up, and it was always challenging, so I think that they have the power to go the distance.

00:06:44 Fantastic. And then Allie, I'm going to ask the same thing. Of these, who are you picking? I saw that you put Shrimps' Bugs as a great team name, and I absolutely agree. Who are you kind of rooting for here? I mean, I'm also rooting for, I think my number one rooting for here right now is Blahajatine Freedom Fighters, BFFs. They have some of the best skins, some of the best name.

00:07:13 Shout out. I really do appreciate what you're doing here. This bracket is stacked. We're done with easy brackets. It's all really the toughest competition here. I think a number of these teams could take the win. It's just who's going to have the performance and who's going to go the distance.

00:07:39 That is absolutely true. And seeing who's got the mentality and the stamina to kind of see, okay, we've got three matches. This will be a long day for a lot of our teams. Very, very quick. There is not a lot of breathing room in between these matches. So taking that into account and seeing how the teams handle the pressure. But these aren't experienced teams or...

00:08:07 ...we will see if... ...that maybe comes into effect and takes into account, you know, hey... ...this is a... ...this is a sprint at this point, almost. ...with the... ...so, for example, Welp Drive Active and German Railgun Team, they are playing first. They have three matches in between their next match.

00:08:35 So they've got to take that time and see how they come through.

00:08:40 Um, and go through. So, it'll be a... ...an interesting thing. Chat is saying return the cat. More cat. Okay, well, we will see if we can get him back here. He's, uh, currently... He might make some cat art for you in the, uh... ...in the chat as everybody's going psst, psst, psst, psst. Um, but...

00:09:09 Ja, so let's go ahead and take a look at the first round of bans going into the Wolf Drive Active German Railgun Team match. Wolf Drive Active has banned the Abaddon, the Geddon, the Crucifier. And I usually try to do this once, so we'll get it out of the way early. Magna Schengeschutz?

00:09:35 der Prophecy Navy, Sentinel, und Hyena. Allie, was diese Bands zu sprechen? Ja, das ist interessant, dass diese Bands, ich glaube, das ist eine der ersten Prophecy Navy Bands gesehen hat. Es ist ein sehr popularer Navy-Battlecruiser pick. Es geht in viele der projection-Gunship set-ups, und es ist arguably der beste pick für die Schlot.

00:10:02 Banning it is maybe trying to weaken that particular comp. Abaddon, Armageddon, those are both very nice battleships. Crucifire and Sentinel bans, please don't track and disrupt. Hyena ban, hyenas are very important for kiting teams, very important for teams that rely on application, and very important against rush teams. So I think this is mostly just trying to...

00:10:28 Das macht den Shitpix ein bisschen flexibel auf beide Seiten.

00:10:36 Yeah, I mean, it definitely seems like they're maybe opening themselves up for options and things to think about. But November, now, if you could bet, which we can't right now, because the points thing, according to Chad, is not up, and I as well do not see it, who do you think is going to win this first match, this best first match of the best of three?

00:11:00 You know, it's tough betting sight unseen without knowing what's going on, so I'm going to cheat and look at the arena a little bit. I think I'm going to put my money on the German Railgun team, just based on the fact that their name is long and difficult to pronounce. But I can see now that based on the bans that we have seen, both teams have bought a Raven. In fact, both teams look like they've bought almost exactly the same comp.

00:11:29 So that is going to be interesting to see. So this will be an interesting first mirror match. Chat's not happy that you're cheating, but you know, that's okay, Chat. Power is available to me, so I'm cheating. Yeah, I think we've got to... That's okay. I as well was cheating, so I will be putting my points on Wealth Drive Active as the underdogs just because that's...

00:11:56 kind of my favorite thing but they're about to go ahead and throw it over to the arena yeah they're about to go

00:12:10 Welcome to the Arena IMCCP Overload, joined by Greybell for this match. Our first of the day, we have Welpdive Active in red, going against Magnitschi in Kschutz. And the match has started immediately with the Welpdive Active warping in almost all at zero, Greybell. That's a bit of a bold move. It is indeed, but those are Torp Ravits, so they want to be very close and very personal. And they are going to be very personal on Alec in his Rotswold at the moment.

00:12:35 Ja, Torp Ravens do ein absoluter tonne DPS, so this match could be quite quick, depending on how it goes on. The Tholos of Virpio is getting chunked, though. He's kind of trying to hold on a little bit. There's some reps coming in, but not enough as he drops.

00:12:50 The main difference we saw on the grid here was the Frigate slot both teams chose, but no time to talk about that. Young Renegade in the Osprey is taking heavy damage and is dead. Losing that Osprey is a bit of a blow for them, of course, because they'll no longer have any active reps. You can see probably that Cyclone does have its own XLSB, but without having the Osprey, they're just going to chew through the EHP that remains. That being said...

00:13:14 Es sieht aus, dass Webdor Active verloren ist, so sie sind ein bisschen hinter der Kurve hier. Ja, der split-damage des Volos hat noch nicht so viel effectiert. So, es sieht ein bisschen wie Momentum, wie wir es sagen, ist auf die Seite der Leger-Heading-Freedom-Fighters.

00:13:37 Ja, ich sehe Osprey-Tholos versus Fleet Cyclone-Tholos und ich denke ich würde, an diesem Punkt in der DPS-Race haben meine Fleet Cyclone, als die Osprey. Die Broadsword ist der primary choice für Magnesi und Geschütz und er ist ein bisschen zu ripen, aber er ist, er hat seine Hick-Pointe, so er hat seine Hick-Pointe als auch, so er kann er nicht mehr reten.

00:14:00 Ja, und wir sehen Tosaki in seiner Cyclone Fleet zu Lohol und aus dem Spiel. Wir sind nur zwei Minuten nach dem Spiel, und wir sind bereits ein paar Ships, drei auf jeden Seite, drei auf jeden Seite, drei auf jeden Seite. Der Bradsword von Alexander Chorigan wird sein, als die Torpedos, die Volle, die ihn, die ihn, die Struktur und die Struktur und die Struktur und die Struktur und die Struktur und die Struktur.

00:14:26 Ja, ich denke Magnetius und Schützer in einem starken Position hier, weil es nur einen Raven left ist für DPS.

00:14:47 auf der Welp Drive-Active-Side, und er geht durch die Räume des Shields. Es gibt noch einen Broadsword-Raven und einen Raptor für Kontrollen. Der Charrier ist wahrscheinlich nicht sehr gut, denn der Broadsword macht alles, was er will. Ja, der Raptor könnte jederzeit gehen für den Working-Class-Mann hier in den Charrier sein, wenn er so wählt. Chadwick ist jetzt zu gehen.

00:15:15 Torpedos vs. Torpedos. And this time they were not in the Dominik, they were on the Raven as it drops. It's just working class man. The struggle of the working class man in his carries trying to do all he can to save this match. But with no attack bar, I'm pretty sure he is going to be heading straight for the arena boundary.

00:15:37 Yes, as you should do as a gentleman, also as a working class man. Do not prolong such a nice rush we had here with a very nice close-up shot. Yeah, here he goes, 1.16. I think he's about to work the arena. And there he goes. He's chosen the honorable way out. And with that, Bagnetti and Gschutz take the victory. And we'll head that one back over to the desk. And they're going to have plenty of time to talk about this one.

00:16:07 Das ist wirklich schlecht. Wir sollten nicht jemanden verlieren. Warp off. Warp off. Take the fleet warp. Everybody warp off. Das ist wirklich, wirklich bad execution. Ich bin sehr froh.

00:16:34 Krash our enemies. Your dams are completely dammed out. Krash, I'm dammed out, I'm dammed out. Get on that chamber, boys. Heat your reps. Everything down. I've not been able to lock us in the thing. I'm jammed.

00:17:09 And with that, what a match for, and I at least always try it once, but we're going to try it again, Magneschengeschütz and Welk Drive Active. Allie, this best of three format, the team that lost...

00:17:36 A game gets an extra ban. Talk to me how this is going to impact this final weekend. So we're in best of threes. Much like for all of you who've been out there who've been scrimming, you've probably been doing best of threes with your scrim partners just like that. Now they've done one match, they get another go. But it doesn't have to be another go with the same bans. In fact, they get to ban completely new things. And the team that's down a match gets an extra ban.

00:18:05 Welp Drive active, they'll be able to ban one extra ship, which will give them just a little bit of an advantage coming into the next match. They'll be able to find one more ship that, oh, you know, this time they banned Abaddon Armageddon Crucifier. Maybe they want to get rid of that Arbitrator, too. Now they can throw that into the ban set. It's just a way to try to even it up without going to all the complexity of, for instance, the Alliance Tournament's conquest bans, which wouldn't really work in this format. So...

00:18:31 We've seen them once now. They've been teleported back. They have a couple of minutes to rest, regroup, and then they'll be convoed for their next match. And we'll see that one after three more matches. And we'll see what they come up with. They'll get to bring different bands, get to bring different ships. They've seen each other on grid. And now we're going to get to see what they have in their cooker.

00:18:57 I think the extra ban, I don't know, we'll see if it definitely narrows the field. But November, that Tholos versus Laji kind of target selection, what was going on in that match? So in a rush versus rush battle like we saw just then, choosing who you kill and...

00:19:22 How to remove the most amount of damage in the most efficient way is usually a key to winning those.

00:19:32 In that case, the German Railgun team identified that leaving Otholos alive for any extended period of time allows him to continuously apply his damage over time, which will hit everything and really throw the calculations out. And so that was the very first thing that they chose to kill and just get it out of the way so that they didn't have to deal with it. The Osprey is Logi, yes.

00:20:01 But in a fight where ravens are huffing torpedoes at targets at zero, its usefulness is potentially not that great. You know, as we saw, it kind of lived for a while, but then didn't really swing the match. I mean, there was also the fact that Akari's...

00:20:27 Es ist nicht wirklich sehr gut für etwas Dampfen, wenn beide Teams sind genau auf jeden Fall auf 0. Lock range ist wirklich nicht so ein Problem. Und ohne einen Weg zu brechen locken, kann man nicht wirklich so slowen Teams von Locken wiederholen. Es ist wirklich nur, wer du wählst, und wie schnell du das Dampfen aus dem Feld kannst, um es zu reduzieren. Und speaking of die Carries...

00:20:56 And I expect we'll see more. If teams do choose to bring the Tholos, I do think that we will see it being hard-targeted. Speaking of the carries, next up we have Lazy Piglets and Lahajdine Freedom Fighters. Lazy Piglets banning the Sentinel, Arbitrator, and Crucifier. Lahajdine Freedom Fighters banning the carries, Mollus, and Celestis. Screaming that they don't want damps. And Ali, I'm going to throw this one to you.

00:21:25 This really screams no E-War on these bans, is it not? Yeah, it's kind of funny. Both teams have gone for the triple E-War ban, where since there's two E-War frigates and one E-War cruiser, that's legal for each type of E-War, whether it's weapon disruption in the Sentinel Arbitrator and Crucifier, or Damson that carries Mollus and Celestis.

00:21:45 Both teams, you can ban out an entire form of E-War and both teams have opted to do so. The one that isn't banned is jams. We could, we've seen some scorpion comps. We've seen, in particular, like a scorpion plus a kitsune can be quite powerful. So we could be seeing a scorpion comp here. We could be seeing a projection mirror as both teams, you know, the other E-War forget that we see sometimes who brings the hyena.

00:22:13 So we could be seeing a hyena coming out to help some battleships apply. Yeah, I'm really curious because this screams no E-Warp, but if they are bringing damps, they are going to be locking the Laji down. And locking the Laji down, as we have found in this format, is extremely effective. Because no reps!

00:22:38 Die faster! So, mit dem, die Importance von Logibots in this, mit Damps, kind of really shines through in this, in the fact that when you're damping out of Logi, if you don't bring those bots, which, yes, it does take away some of your DPS, but

00:23:04 You get reps, which you can't get when your lodgy is jammed. So I guess we will see what they bring.

00:23:15 But November, I'm going to throw this one to you. What is your prediction for this match? Do you think we're going to see anything fun? Who do you think is going to win? I mean, the bans, with all the Ewor banned out, the options of what is open to bring, since none of the battleships are banned, means that it's wide open here. Like, we could see Typhoons have been a classic ban across everything. But...

00:23:42 The Armageddon is still available. The Abaddon is still available. You know, the APOC. There's like lots of ways to shoot at your targets. Or maybe they throw it out the window and maybe they just bring ravens and maelstroms and jam it right in. It's very, very difficult to say based on this. But I'm going to roll the dice and I'm going to go with the Lazy Piglets just because I like the name.

00:24:11 Hey, that is 100% totally fair. Ally, are you on the Lazy Piglets vote? Or are you thinking we might see something crazy here from Blahajedine? So I continue to root for Blahajedine. I have put some points on Blahajedine because, I'll be honest, the payback would be very good if they won. And so it's where your heart and your good odds are.

00:24:34 But the odds are that way, because the Tuskers, aka Lazy Piglets, are a very storied team. They're the winners of Alliance Tournament 20, and when we've seen them in this tournament, they are not washed. They still got it. So we'll see what happens. You know, I am with you. I, as well, I put my points on...

00:24:58 I put my points on Blahajidin Freedom Fighters as well, just because, you know, I like the shark. I like their skins. I think I like everything what they stand for. So I put my point on Blahajidin. But with that, the team's already in the arena, so let's go ahead and throw it to the commentators and give them just a little bit more time.

00:25:32 Hello and welcome back to the arena. We see two shield comps facing off each other in this match. Raja Hedin Freedom Fighters brought mainly a gun-focused comp, while Feliz Biglets brought something closer to Mislos. At least I hope Dead Raven is fit with Mislos. I would be quite a surprise if that was a Gun Raven, but it's a surprise I'm all for.

00:25:59 Once again, we find ourselves about to answer the infamous question, can you indeed stop the Rogue? It has been stopped numerous times, if you were watching last week, and we saw a couple of these matchups with Raven versus Rogue. Some of those exciting matches, in fact, last week went down to just the end of the game with the Raven versus the Rogue. I'm interested to see how this one goes, especially if this is a...

00:26:23 Cruise- oder Torpedo-Raven. Es wird eine große Unterschiede. Wenn es ein Torpedo-Raven ist, dann die Rolk, die Ferox, etc. müssen sie spielen. Aber wenn es ein Cruise-Raven ist, dann kann sie alle von überall auf der Arena gehen. Es wird viel über Kontrolle geben. Ja, ich würde sagen, dass die Flüchtlinge und Frieden-Fighter werden hier so schnell wie sie können. Weil mir, es sieht aus, dass die Mirror-Chief hier ist Sporting Cruise Missiles.

00:26:49 Die Zucklund-Fleet in den Onyx hatte heavy Mislas, so ich bin ziemlich sicher wir werden sehen, dass die Zucklund-Pieter zu kite.

00:26:59 Ja, mit einem Cruise-Missile. Sie müssen das weit entfernt werden. Aber das ist eine Railroke. So, beide Battleships sind sozusagen able to project across die Arena. Es ist all going to be about, wie ich sage, Control und Primary-Choice. Looks like es ist die Hyena, die die erste choice für die BFFs. Sie werden die Long-Range-Webs und die Bonus-Target-Painter aus der Arena. Das wird eine große Unterschiede für die Raven, besonders in den kleineren Spielen. Meanwhile, Lazy Piglet ist zu versuchen, und zu versuchen, das Osprey aus der Field zu erstellen.

00:27:28 Interessant choice. Es sieht aus, dass die Ferrox-Navy-Issue der Phantasm der Phantasm ist. Das ist ein guter choice. Wir haben einen Hyäner geteilt. Er wurde verabschiedet. Er wurde verabschiedet. Und die Crews-Missiles, die alle erreicht haben. Und sie hat das Hyäner geblieben.

00:27:50 So the loss of control is going to be a big, big issue for the BFFs, especially as that was probably one of the few things that could really make the Hyena on the Tusker side blow down enough to hit it with a Railroke. Yeah, what's also getting hit at the moment is the mini Skraw in his Osprey. He has some armor wrapports on him, but it doesn't look like it's enough.

00:28:13 Ja, der Flying Logi hier ist einfach nur die Zeit mit diesen Setups.

00:28:42 Both teams can basically reach across the whole arena with their weapon systems and it's just a matter of buying as much time as you can with your Logi in these setups. Yeah, the Jackdaw down there as well, that was one of the few remaining threats to the Hyena. Of course, that Phantasm probably can do some damage to the Hyena if he gets into the Red Range, but he is webbed right now and it looks like Tuskers may lose their Fleet Cyclone unless he is able to tank.

00:29:08 ...undere seine eigene Excelle ASB. Wir werden sehen, welches geht. Ich glaube, dass das Fleet Cyclone der DPS sehr schwerer wird, aber die Tuskern haben viel mehr Kontrollen und, importantly, still haben boosts. Ja, und ich mag die Target-Choice hier von den Lazy Biglets, weil sie sind die einzige E-M-E-N-Thermol, die ist, wie es ist, die ...

00:29:35 Das ist die größte Weakness der S.H.I.L.D.-S.H.I.L.D.-S.A.T.U.S.A.T.U.S.A.T.U.S.A.T.U.S.A.T.U.S.A.T.U.S.A.T.U.S.A.T.U.S.A.T.U.S.A.T.U.S.A.T.U.S.A.T.U.S.A.T.U.S.A.T.U.S.A.T.U.S.A.T.U.S.A.T.U.S.A.T.U.S.A.T.U.S.A.T.U.S.A.T.U.S.A.T.U.S.A.T.U.S.A.T.U.S

00:29:59 Ich glaube, sie wollten das Flitzygon ein bisschen schneller, als es zu tun hat. Er hat einen guten Job versucht, um zu burnen und wegzunehmen, aber Rails werden immer wieder able to reach out und hit. Jetzt ist es nur Raven und Onix für DPS. Versus Roke und Navy Ferox. Ja, ich glaube, Onix kann jetzt den Roke stoppen, wenn er es lebt, indem er seine Hick-Pointer ist. Und wahrscheinlich wird es gut unter den Rücken.

00:30:29 Ja, ich meine, Ferex ist schon ziemlich hart. Da ist noch ein Aktiv Tank auf dem Bladgein-Frieden-Frieden-Frieden-Frieden-Frieden-Frieden-Frieden-Frieden-Frieden-Frieden-Frieden-Frieden-Frieden-Frieden-Frieden-Frieden-Frieden-Frieden-Frieden-Frieden-Frieden-Frieden-Frieden-Frieden-Frieden-Frieden-Frieden-Frieden-Frieden-Frieden-Frieden-Frieden-Frieden-Frieden-Frieden-Frieden-Frieden-Frieden-Frieden-Frieden-Frieden-Frieden-Frieden-Frieden-Frieden-Frieden-Frieden-Frieden-Frieden-F

00:30:57 Er ist wahrscheinlich nur Bait-Tanking. Aber es sieht nicht gut für Lager-Adeen-Fino Fighters. Wenn er Bait-Tanking ist, er ist wirklich ein Master Bait-Tanker. Er hat mich denken, dass er zu sterben ist. Aber wenn er Bait ist, dann wer am I? Oh, nein, er ist tot. Ja, Brock ist still moving, an ziemlich viel speed hier. Alex, in his Onyx, hat er noch nicht gelegt.

00:31:24 Ja, der Hyena hat ihn webbed. Er ist unter 200 ms. Er ist weiter zu slowen. Speed ist nicht sein Freund, in generell, weil er sich nicht ausgedrückt hat. Und der Raven kann ihn pretty much anywhere hit. Die Onyx might do... Oder, sorry, die Rooks should do die Advanced Battleship Taktik of just hitting Control Space at this point. And trying to see if he can take down that Raven. But even if he does...

00:31:54 Even if he kills the Raven, I think he would die to just the Onyx. Yeah, quite possibly. We have seen Onyx getting underguns off battleships before. I don't think this would turn out much different.

00:32:09 Especially, there's still links up, which is quite an advantage as well for Tusken at the moment. Maybe the Roke is bait tanking too, who knows? If he is, this is time to turn on the tank, my friend, because you are dying. Mirachieve, sitting pretty, he is in half shield, he's not bothered. He is doing pirouettes around the arena to show off at this point. I think this is firmly in the hands of the Lazy Piglets. I think...

00:32:39 Bladagy und Friedemfragers hatten eine sehr gute Runde. Sie haben den Scythe und Fleet Cyclone verloren, aber sie verloren zu viel. Sie verloren ihre Hyäna, das war eine große Verlust, und sie verloren ihre Osprey. Genau. Und jetzt werden sie die Rock verloren. Das war, Glückwunsch, nicht ein ganzes Tank, wie wir in anderen Battleships gesehen haben. Wir können sie zurück nach der Desk für einen Analyse.

00:33:05 We lost a bet as CCP collectively, so that's why that alliance logo is in the game. Of course, you could change your alliance by leaving, but that would be kind of a jerk move. Oh, you don't like it? Just leave. This logo sucks, so I'm going to go join.

00:33:40 Untertitelung. BR 2018

00:34:12 And we are back. What a match between Lazy Piglets and Blahajedin Freedom Fighters. November, in the Destroyer spot, talk to me about maybe why they brought the Jackdaw instead of Lynx, or what they could have potentially... Was that a mistake?

00:34:35 It's not a mistake. The Jackdaw is a very, very powerful destroyer. It has projection, it has survivability in as long as you have your logistics alive and can switch to defensive mode. It is the bane of frigates everywhere, as we saw at the start of the fight, where the hyenas were targeted. But at the end of the day...

00:35:02 Once your Logi dies against a team that can hit it effectively, the Jackdaw will die, as we saw. And then at the end, what that meant was the stalk for the winning team was still alive, still giving links. That increases your ability to tank. And when damage gets low, that can make all the difference, particularly if you still have Logi bots alive. So the Jackdaw is not a bad choice. It's just that with...

00:35:29 Every single one of these matches, and the way the bands, particularly here, played out, it was very much a roll of the dice. Had they taken the jackdaw into, like, an armor comp, where they could have kept it kind of alive at the back, just kind of clinking away at Logi, I mean, and the frigates, then it would have potentially been a better choice. But in that case, against a lot of missiles that can hit it anywhere, it didn't turn out so well.

00:35:58 We saw how that played out. Ally!

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00:36:29 um from secondhand smoking so yeah just guys this is a wonderful charity uh to be supporting um and all anything that is donated will be matched up to 2500 pounds uh next up we have honkai delta force versus invasive maneuvering

00:36:50 Now, Allie, I will throw you the bans. With that, Honkai has banned the Tholos, Geddon, and Hyperion. Evasive Maneuvering has banned the Sentinel, the Geddon, and the Arbitrator. Talk to me what these bans kind of say that they don't want to see.

00:37:09 This is another ban set that looks like taking off the top of a lot of stronger comps. We've seen the Tholos. It's been very picker ban. It's showed up very well in the first match of today and plenty of matches last weekend. The Armageddon from both sides. The Armageddon is a very unique battleship. Its newt bonus gives it... The Armageddon newts are the only big newt battleship that you have available.

00:37:37 Sure, you could fly a Domi, but it's nowhere near as good. The Hyperion has been one of the best projection battleships that we've seen. Meanwhile, evasive maneuvering, taking up the Sentinel and the Arbitrator, really just nerfing the kind of projection that the Hyperion is here to provide. So we'll see what happens. Both my guess right here is we might be setting up for some sort of projection armor-based mirror.

00:38:04 like we've seen a lot before, but both teams certainly have had plenty of time to cook, and now's the time to deploy your meta-breaking innovations.

00:38:15 I would definitely agree and I'm curious to see what we get brought before we go into kind of the next second of three rounds where teams that lost start getting an extra ban and seeing how that affects what we currently have. November, who are you putting your points on?

00:38:40 They haven't landed yet, so no cheating. They haven't landed yet, I have no cheating. I have put my points here on Honkai Delta Force just to get the odds, because I keep losing all my points. I think Chat has decided that Evasive Maneuvering is going to get it here. You know...

00:39:02 At this point, it's very tough to say. All the teams that are left have managed to fight their way through and they know what they're doing. They're all pretty good. So I'm going to stick with my underdogs here and go with Honkai Delta Force to take it out.

00:39:18 Yeah, I also as well put my points on Honkai. They had some wonderful matches previously to this kind of semi-final. But with that, let's go ahead. It looks like they are landing, so let's throw it over to the arena and let them...

00:39:38 I'm being told not yet. Goodness. All right, Allie, who are you throwing your points on? Well, I am throwing my points on Evasive Maneuvering. I do have, even with those points, I bet 68,000 points. So I'm just gonna, you know, okay, granted a lot of those were won by some upsets earlier this tournament, but they're all on Evasive Maneuvering. They're a team with some tournament history. I've seen them perform very consistently.

00:40:06 throughout this tournament, throughout the Alliance tournament, and I think they've just got a little bit more stamina than Honkai Delta Force. Yeah, we will see. And now the arena is ready, so let's go ahead and throw it over to our commentators and see about getting this match started.

00:40:30 Welcome back to the Arena. I am still and will continue to be CSP Overload and I am joined by Greybell once again. We have Honkai Delta Force in red going up against Evasive Maneuvering in blue. And both teams coming in pretty much the same kind of warp-ins, just 90 degrees off from each other. And some interesting comps here. We have a Scorpion on one side and a Typhoon on the other. Greybell, what do you make of this?

00:40:54 Yeah, Honkai Delta Force is currently going for a control setup, I would say, with the Scorpion. And it obviously being armor, you want to have a lot of gems in those mid slots and trying to control your opponent, make his life miserable, because he can only shoot your Scorpion and nothing else.

00:41:13 Yeah, we can see the difference in the two teams by looking just at the attack and control bars. The Honkai control bar is rather infinitesimal compared to their attack bar, compared to their control bar, which is maximum, well not maximum girth, but pretty girthy. So we're going to see what happens here. This, of course, as you say, there's Armored Scorpion going to be loaded up with gems. If he gets a well-timed jam off against, for example, the Osprey, that could be enough.

00:41:37 ...to power through the shields in either the Cyclone or the Typhoon... ...and remove an important ship off the field.

00:41:45 Es wird sehr interessant, was Evasive Maneuvering wird hier sein. Denn die Onyx und Cyclone Fleet sind mit Heavy Missiles, so sie sind eher Kite-y, aber die Typhoon ist mit Rapid Heavy Missiles, so er kann ein paar Sekunden pumpen, in viele Sekunden, oder in einen kurzen Sekunden. Und wir werden sehen, ob das genug ist, um es zu machen, um es zu bekommen, um in der Cycle, wo er nicht jammed ist.

00:42:15 Ja, he might have a bit of fall-off reps here going on, because he burned off quite far.

00:42:44 Und er scheint, dass er seine Freundin ist für heute.

00:42:57 Die Jams sind wirklich schwierig für das Team, weil die DPS war heavy und dann es einfach stopt. Und es gibt die Jams auf den Cyclone, die sich auf den Cyclone hat, also. Die Jams sind wirklich ein Problem, aber...

00:43:25 They need to work for another 8 minutes. Yeah, and the drones will still be on this exec and do some trickle damage and making him run his local wrapper. He can't really get up to full health yet. Also the Hyena diving in now to get another wrap off.

00:43:44 Ja, da ist noch DPS gekommen, das Executor, er ist webbed, er ist painted. Clearly, das Reload ist für das Typhoon hier, weil der Damage ist zurückgekehrt, und er ist zurückgekehrt. So sie werden das Executor, und die Invasive Maneuverung sind fast voll-schild across die Borde. Die nur etwas mit dem Dampf ist das Flute Cyclone. So nicht viel Dampf right jetzt kommt von Honkai.

00:44:05 Ja, die Jams nicht wirklich jammet, es scheint, nicht die Tarkets sie wollten, haben sie jammet. So, Erasive Maneuving konnte die Arbeit aus der Dachseck und jetzt die Keris aus. So, es gibt nicht E-Wall left, das kann sie wirklich stoppen, von der Arbeit, die die Arbeit des Dismantling. Die Hunker-Deltaforz-Team hier.

00:44:28 Ja, ich meine, das ist eine sehr gute Strategie für Evasive Maneuvering, weil, wenn sie sich jämt werden, die DPS, die sie verwendet haben, zu den Honkai-team werden, ist nicht zu werden. Es ist einfach nur zu sitzen und warten, bis sie werden unjämt werden. Honkai ist jetzt schädlich, die jetzt nicht zu tun. Die Fleet-Cyclone ist jetzt jämt, von der Osprey. Er hat auch seine eigene eigene Lokal-rep, so wir sehen, ob diese jämt werden können.

00:44:55 At the moment, they've been disruptive, but they've not prevented AV-Subnerving from doing what they need to do.

00:45:01 We can see the Scorpion now taking armor damage. As you do when you are jamming such stuff, you can still be targeted back. So people are opting to shoot the Scorpion now. As that's maybe the only thing they can shoot. But it doesn't look very good for Hunker-Deadler-Force. I don't think they can pull back from this.

00:45:26 Nein, nicht ohne ein spektakularer Piloten, welches ich all für bin. Honkai Delta Force zeigt, was du hast. Aber der Scorpion hat Hull. Er ist natürlich ein Faktion Bounder. Er hat viel Hull, aber nicht so viel. Ein spektakularer Piloten könnte auch von Erasive Manoeuvring passieren. Ich habe jetzt die Boundary, und Honkai Delta Force ist in der Spiel wieder.

00:45:51 True, true. But the pilots from the Mesa Maneuvering Team are some of the more experienced pilots in Tournament History with any one-line, Pandey in SkyXKiller Russian, for example, to key members of a number of Alliance Tournament Teams, including winning teams like Vidru Reloaded. At this point, I mean, a Navy Murmidon is certainly a choice of, there's many choices you can make for that slot. The Navy Murmidon is, in fact, one of them. In this case, Honkai did choose that.

00:46:17 Aber es ist nicht so gut für sie, als GFs in Lokal appear. Es ist nur clean-up time.

00:46:23 Ja, es ist. Ich frage mich, was Konker-Delta Force hätte besser gemacht haben. Ich denke, es ist ein ziemlich schwer für sie, um Kontroll-Comp zu kämpfen. Ja, Kontroll-Comp gegen ein Rush-DPS-Heavy-Typhoon, wie ein Rapid-Heavy-Typhoon, wird immer sehr vulnerable sein. Wenn die Jams nicht landen, wird 20 Sekunden von Rapid-Heavy-DPS auf dem, was sie haben.

00:46:49 Zum Beispiel, ein Executor, und es sieht nicht wie das Scorpion jammed die Typhoon, wenn es um den Executor war. Die Navi-Mermdunne ist es Zeit für Shine. Mal sehen, ob wir den restlichen Team solo haben.

00:47:01 Ja, genau. Und das Keras war nicht wirklich etwas, was die Hyäne kamen und die Logie entdeckt. Wenn es nicht jammed war, war es nicht able zu kontrollieren. Es war einfach nicht so schnell. Und ja, das ist nicht so etwas, was du mit der Drone-Comp as schnell.

00:47:22 Yeah, I feel like this comp from Honkai would have done better against another control comp, or more a kiting comp, rather than this high DPS Rapid Heavy comp from Evasive Maneuvering. But with that, Evasive Maneuvering take the win, sweeping 100-0, and we'll send it back over to the desk.

00:48:00 Farmer's Bar could be anywhere.

00:48:29 Bis zum nächsten Mal.

00:48:43 Alright, and with that, we see Honkai, uh, well, Honk out, for lack of better words, in their first match of three. Um, man, what a good fight, though, Allie, that comp was, I think they cooked too hard.

00:49:08 Ja, das war ein bisschen überkühlt. Wir haben ein paar Scorpion comps in diesem Tournament gesehen. Wir haben ein paar, wir haben ein paar nicht. Die Problem mit dem Scorpion ist, dass du so viel DPS bist, von einem Damage-Based Battleship zu einem Control-Based Battleship. Du auch kind of need einen E-Warf Frigid zu pairieren, damit jeder einfach nur auf dem Scorpion und fließt right durch. Sie oft nicht haben viel Tank.

00:49:37 So, great, we've got our Scorpion, we've got our Carries, we've given up some DPS, so where can we get some extra DPS? I know, we will put a Confessor, which is a fairly high DPS, pretty good Armor T3D, in our Destroyer slot instead of Links. The problem, though, is then you're giving up all the benefits that you could have with a Pontifex with InfoLinks or even a Magus with InfoLinks. You're giving up Links. They also...

00:50:05 In that match, the only ship with rep drones in it was the Execker. So in this comp, they've sort of noticed that they're low on damage. They've tried to patch it, but they haven't thought all the way through into, oh, we're low on damage. Great. That means we need to focus on survivability. The Scorpion focuses on survivability. Rep bots in every single drone bay would also enhance survivability. That would give them...

00:50:31 The ability to actually tank while their exec is running, their Scorp is jamming things off. They could waste some time tank. Meanwhile, they'd have the Phobos and maybe even just the Phobos and the Battlecruiser chewing on things. And that would eventually maybe get somewhere. But this comp, you can see the pressures they're under. You can see the difficulties of the Scorp comps in this format. This one just did not get there.

00:50:55 No, it didn't seem to reach the finish line or the train station in this reference, but November, that battlecruiser choice. Yeah, this is an extension. Honestly, I was really confused. Right, this is an extension of Ali's comment there in that.

00:51:16 When you take the Scorpion, you need a way to apply damage outside of maybe the cruise missiles that you fitted on your Scorpion or the torpedoes that may or may not be useful. And so in the Battlecruiser slot, you have many options. For example, the Prophecy Navy was unbanned. It projects, it does damage, it tanks. It's like a great ship to pad out the fact that you're not applying damage anywhere else in your comp. And so taking...

00:51:44 The Navy Merm there, which is drone-based, feels like a weak choice compared to what you could have done. Drones just spend so much of their time running around the arena, not doing anything. And maybe if they thought they were going to run into another armor comp that the drones could catch and sit on, it would be a different story. But up against a shield comp that's flying around you, that's just too fast.

00:52:11 Any drones you have, even if they're bonus web drones, aren't going to slow anything down enough to apply consistent damage. As we saw, they just really failed to kill anything there. So maybe having some kind of ability to shoot things from the Battlecruiser slot may have allowed them to do a little more damage.

00:52:35 uh plink off the um they could have constantly applied pressure to to the lodgy right the osprey was basically free to run around the entire time um and just keep reps going so yeah it was a it was a it was an interesting choice but i think that just comes back to the uh the uh the overcooked nature of that particular comp that they bought

00:52:59 Yep, as I move my orange-flavored son to keep him from knocking everything off my desk, let's go ahead and take a look at bans. Next up we have RageSubCancelQuit versus ShrimpsIsBugs. Honestly, I am excited for this matchup. RageSubCancelQuit banning the Raven, the Hyperion, and the Hyena.

00:53:25 Shrimps' Bugs, Banning the Arbitrator, Sentin on Crucifier. Allie, I will throw these bans to you. There's E-War in here, but they also have a couple battleships. What does this scream at you? So the E-War, we've talked about that a bunch. In terms of the battleships from the Rage Sub Cancel Quit, the Raven, we've seen be an effective ship in...

00:53:52 Missile Rush, it can also be an effective ship in Missile Kite. Hyperion, very effective projection battleship that we've seen. The Rail Hyperion has been one of the breakout ships of this tournament. And the Hyena is a great way to get things to apply. The ban of the Raven and the Hyena is a little bit interesting. It might be a little bit of a fakeout, like, oh, we're not going to rush, we're not going to kite, we're just going to do some good Honest Octo.

00:54:18 So I wouldn't be shocked to see if Rage Quit showed up with either a Rush or a Kite, which they have slightly implied that they are not bringing. I definitely think it'll be interesting. Quick predictions, November, who are you throwing your points on? Rage Quit, Rage Sub. Yeah, and Allie yourself, who are you throwing your points on? Same deal. Sorry, Shrimps, your propaganda's good. See, I'm gonna take the opposite.

00:54:48 See, I'm gonna take the opposite side here. I will take Shrimps' bugs, because I watched their video this morning, and I was just like, I can get behind this. This is great, and apparently they're making it home. But let's go ahead and throw it. Hey, they have some of the best on the Discord.

00:55:15 With that, let's go ahead and throw it to the arena where they are getting ready to start.

00:55:27 Hello and welcome to the arena. I can't tell you how excited I am because this is basically this battle of my space friends. On the right side we have reached some cancel quit bringing what looks like a shield rush with heavy assault missiles. What are the Shripsys Bugs team bringing CSP Overload?

00:55:49 Well, they have what looks like a Roke, Navy Ferox, Onyx Osprey, and Storkin Carrier. We've seen this a few times before. They're sitting at 50. They're likely rails. And they're going up against this Typhoon comp with torpedoes all warped in at zero, except, of course, the Scythe at 30. So this could be quick, or it could be not quick. It depends how good Zale in that Carrier is at keeping...

00:56:16 die Red Team entfernt von den Schiff. Wenn er effektivt zu kontrollieren, die Typhoon und die Schiff entfernt wird, dann wird die Schiff von den Räumen geholfen können, um die Schiff zu verlassen, um den Typhoon zu verlassen.

00:56:36 Ja, aber der Raptor von Exxon Dumi wird hart zu kontrollieren. Insofern, vielleicht Stryker in seinem Onix wird ein Hick-Point auf ihn, weil der Raptor wird schnell sein.

00:56:48 Yes, that Raptor is going to be probably going 6-7k a second within a couple of seconds of this match starting. And if I had to predict the direction, I think it would be straight towards the blue team. He has probably pre-overheated his prop mod. He's ready to double-click in space. He's ready to go. And so am I. So let's get this match underway.

00:57:08 And the match is starting right now. Let's see how many MJD bullies are going off, because I have a feeling MC Sparks will try for one. Yes, and that Raptor, of course, went straight for the Roke. He almost overshot, but he managed to turn around in time. But he went up 7-8k a second. He got his scram on the Roke to prevent it from going anywhere. And now Nicholas in the broadsword has his hick point on that Roke. So the Typhoon of Tullsport is going to be closing range.

00:57:35 und vomitting DPS all over the face of this Rogue very soon. Indeed, and the Raptor is already going after his second target, which is the Osprey of Yarriso Zastate. So that's going to be their secondary target, I feel. But as we have seen at the start, the Rogue tried to MJD, but got scrammed by the Raptor. Meanwhile, the Pharochs of Tin Baron managed to get an MJD off and MJD in...

00:58:02 die Backline, und ist jetzt Melinde in seine Scythe, die in den Armour geht.

00:58:09 Yeah, I think at this point, Melinda, though, he is just roleplaying his finest logistic speed bump as the scythe in this comp. He's just there to consume bullets for the enemy team at this point as Melinda goes down. The DPS coming out from this Typhoon, though, is about to take down the Roke. And as you pointed out, the Raptor is quite clever. So the Raptor rushes in, scrams the Roke, allows the Broadsword to close range, get his Higpoint on the Roke. Then the Raptor immediately peels off and goes after the Osprey, keeping the Osprey locked down at a place where he finds it.

00:58:38 Ja, aber da gibt es keine Lodge auf Gritmoor für Range, so der Raptor ist sicherlich zu treffen. Ja, aber da gibt es keine Lodge auf Gritmoor für Range, so der Raptor ist sicherlich zu treffen.

00:59:07 Er ist versucht, hier zu überleben, aber nicht. Die Ferox-Navie-Ferrox-Navie-Ferrox-Navie-Ferrox-Navie-Ferrox-Navie-Ferrox-Navie-Ferrox-Navie-Ferrox-Navie-Ferrox-Navie-Ferrox-Navie-Ferrox-Navie-Ferrox-Navie-Ferrox-Navie-Ferrox-Navie-Ferrox-Navie-Ferrox-Navie-Ferrox-Navie-Ferrox-Navie-Ferrox-Navie-Ferrox-Navie-Ferrox-Navie-Ferrox-Navie-Ferrox-Navie-Ferrox-

00:59:32 Die Rage-Sub-Kantlequit-Team haben verloren, aber sie haben es für den Rook und den Osprey gespielt. Ich denke, sie sind in eine ziemlich commanding Position. Ja, ich denke, das Match ist ziemlich open und könnte auch eine andere Seite gehen, wenn Schrimps' Bucks klappt und den Broadsword getrennt. Das ist die größte Threat mit dem Hick-Point.

00:59:58 Ich denke, sie haben eine gute Chance, um es zu einfachen, um es zu kitingen. Ja, so die Broadsword hat sich gemmelt. Das bedeutet, dass er ein bisschen mehr zu werden muss, um das Hickpoint zu bekommen, um das vorherigen. Oder zumindest, um zu locken. So, wenn die Onyx of Stryker und Zael kann die Broadsworden auswählen, dann der Navy Ferex should be able to roam around relativ schnell frei, um sich auch für die Begraships selbst zu sehen.

01:00:24 Wenn sie den Broadsword entfernen können, dann wird es sehr schwer für Tosperot und Damasis Kadesh zu holen. Jetzt werden wir sehen, wie tanky die Onyx von Striker Riker wirklich ist, weil er plötzlich wurde von der Broadsword verletzt. Die Punkte sind in der Fahre von Rage Sub-Cancel-Quid, als Striker Riker's Onyx geht in Low-Shield.

01:00:52 Ja, der Typhoon ist direkt auf der Onyx. Er ist voll mit Torpedos jetzt. Er ist halt ein bisschen, aber er hat seine eigene Lokal-Tank als auch. Die beiden Teams sind die Technologische Kruisers für was sie sind. Es ist ein Speedbump auf der Weg zum Victory. Und es ist ein Lokal-Tank als auch. Es ist nicht genug, für ihn, als er zu gehen ist. Aber er ist noch nicht genug, also der Brottsort. Der Brottsort scheint zu haben, seine Hick-Point.

01:01:19 He does, actually. You make a very good point. He is being neutered. He's webbed. He's still hanging on. Striker Erika is hanging on there. He's repping a bit. He's bled some hull. He's low shield. He's about to start going through hull again. But he's down. I thought he was about to pull off some miraculous move. So the Broadsword, though, also about to go down. He's in low, low shield. So if Tinbern can keep applying DPS from range and take out this Broadsword, it'll become a lot easier for him to dodge the bigger ships.

01:01:46 However, Schrimp's with Bugs sind 38, so sie müssen noch mehr Sachen killen. Ich weiß nicht, was 38 plus 19 ist, aber es ist vielleicht zu 59.

01:01:57 Ja, points-wise, it's looking very much in favor of Rage Subcancel Quit here, with the battleship alive alone. But, yeah, what might make a difference here is the fact that Gypsy Sparks primarily brought Kaldari ships, which are notoriously slower than Minmotor ships, which Rage Subcancel Quit opted for. And in these prolonged matches, you can see the difference here, really.

01:02:27 Ja, so Schrimsch's Bug ist eigentlich in ein bisschen eine hole gerade jetzt, weil ich habe mit Abacus consultiert und determined, dass wenn sie diesen Broadsword killen, sie werden auf 57pt, welches, according zu Mathematik, ist weniger als 59pt. Also sie müssen nur zwei Spiele haben, mit nur einen Navey Ferrag, einen Stork und einen Carries, und sie müssen das nicht verlieren. Und sie müssen das in 4 Minuten und 18 Sekunden verlieren. Wir haben eine sehr gute MJD-Play von Tim Barron hier.

01:02:56 Er wurde in der Range von der Broadsword versucht, um ein bisschen zu bekommen, um die Schild zurück zu bekommen. Aber er hat sich auch von der Cyclo-Fleet in der Typhoon geflogen. Er ist auch gefährlich zu dem Ende der Arena. Er ist 121, 122, 123. Er ist ein Boundary. Er ist ein Boundary. Er ist ein Boundary. Er ist ein Boundary. Er war ein Mist.

01:03:24 Oder haben sie einfach zu enden ihre Suffern jetzt und die Zeit für die zweiten Halbzeit. Weil, wenn das nicht ein Fehler war, dann wäre das einfach nur Bad Piloten von Tin Baron da. Sehr surprising.

01:03:39 Well, maybe the nerfs got the bad off him. Yeah, now the protester is going to survive. He was going to kill him. Ten, what are you doing? He was about to go down, indeed. That was super close. But it would have been still very hard. Yeah, Melinda and Lopojad just saying, oh no.

01:03:59 Es wäre schon sehr schwer für eine Ferox-Navy-Issue für eine Cyclo-Fleet-Issue und eine Typhoon. Es ist sogar schwer, wenn man Boundary-Violatete. Aber die Raptor ist auch Boundary-Violatete. Ich habe einfach nur zwei Boundary-Violatete. Der Raptor war einfach nicht so gut. Er war einfach nicht so gut. Und das ist es. Die Rest sind in der Arena. Sie sind D.E.D.

01:04:27 Und 100 Punkte zu 38 für Rage, Sub, Cancel, Quit. Und ja, also back to the desk.

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01:05:45 You absolutely did call it, Allie. Man. My channel points keep disappearing, and that's okay. But, so, November, talk to me about their target choices. That was interesting. So, when you are up against a rush comp who wants to...

01:06:10 All in your high damage and remove it from the field. You have to make a decision.

01:06:16 Und in diesem Fall, Schrimps's Bugs' decision war es zu continue zu shooten bei der Logistik Cruiser, während der gesamten anderen Team war auf der Rogue. Es gibt ein paar Möglichkeiten, wie man es könnte, aber als die Kommentaren hat, die Logistik in ein Rush Comp ist wirklich nur ein Bullet Sponge und ein Sink. Und so, ist es Wasting der Zeit, um zu killen Scythe, wenn man könnte all die Dammage zu den...

01:06:45 Das sind die Battleship, welches die Battleship ist, während es still alive ist. Oder? Oder? Oder? Oder? Oder? Oder?

01:06:57 und ich hoffe, dass die resten der Team der Team auslösen wird, was die Rush-Comp hat. Was passiert da ist, als wir gesehen haben, die Rope died, und dann im Moment folgendem, die Raptor und die Broadsword zusammengearbeitet haben, die Osprey, die Logistik der Schrimps-Team, das bedeutet, dass sie jetzt mit ...

01:07:23 ... ... ... ... ...

01:07:46 At the very start, there is a small window of time to kind of make decisions that will have very large impacts as the match goes on. You know, you're relying on that roke to be able to project around the arena to do damage. And if you kind of give it up without really fighting for it, it's going to make things very tough as the match goes on.

01:08:13 Yeah, and unfortunately, that was a rough match. And Strims' Bugs, my faith in you has not diminished. I hope we will see what happens going forward today. With that, though, I will go ahead and kind of throw our attention towards the Welp Drive active.

01:08:41 Meschengaschützen

01:08:46 ...to their next match and their bans. So Welp Drive Active has banned the Typhoon, the Sentinel, the Crucifier. And because they lost the last match, they get an additional ban. They have chosen to ban the Geddon in this slot. Goodness, I'm going to mess this up as always. Mischengeschutz. Mischengeschutz. German Vrelgun Team. There we go.

01:09:15 Sie haben die Prophecy, Navy, Hyena und Sentinel gewonnen. Alli, ich werde Ihnen diese Bans geben. Mit der Additional Banschlot, was das es zu sagen? In ein paar Worte, diese Teams, die Magnet-Shine-Geschutz Team haben komplett reused ihre Bans.

01:09:38 Previously they banned Prof. Navy issue Sentinel Hyena, now Prof. Navy issue Sentinel Hyena. So that's just completely the same, giving away no information about what they might be bringing. Welp Drive Active, they've added the Sentinel to their ban slot, and they've replaced the Abaddon with the Typhoon, so that Armageddon's still best in slot for...

01:09:57 Certain types of control comps. If you don't want to bring a Scorpion, Armageddon is where you're going to go. Typhoon, we just saw that be very effective as a Rush ship. It's also effective as a Kite ship. So both teams just banning some good stuff with some E-War. We might be seeing... Honestly, we could be seeing anything. There's no comp here that is completely ruled out except for maybe certain kinds of Kite.

01:10:25 So, taking these bans into account, and now that we can't cheat because they haven't landed in the arena yet, November, yes, I am having fun and laughing with you because I too cheat, but with that, who are you putting your points on? I have put my points on German Railgun team this time around.

01:10:52 Ich denke, der Exekution war besser in der letzten Match, das war sehr viel ein Mirror. Ich denke, dass sie die Upper Hand haben, um die richtigen Entscheidungen zu machen, wenn es zu werfen, und was zu machen. Ich bin interessiert, aber zu sehen, was comps getrennt hier. Wenn sie es zurückgehen, oder wenn wir etwas anderes sehen.

01:11:18 They banned the Whelp Drive, banned the Typhoon instead of the Abaddon. The Armageddon is still a ban. The Laser Boat comps are wide open here, but the Raven Rush is still in there. Anything is possible, I think.

01:11:38 For sure. Alli, who are you throwing your points on? Are you going the same or are you switching it up? I'm keeping my points on Magnet Shining Geschütz. I really think they're doing a great job this tournament. I've seen them a bunch in scrims as well. Thumbs up, great people. I gotta say, this is our first really exciting match. This is our first elimination match of the day.

01:12:06 Welp Drive Active loses this, they are going home. They're going home as quarterfinalists, and, you know, that's a pretty good spot on your resume. But you've got to believe that everyone who's still in here, they want that number one spot. And so this is for all the marbles. So we'll see what Welp Drive Active has to bring, whether it's going to be what's their best comp, you know, maybe something we saw. So I think they were...

01:12:33 Ich weiß nicht, dass das letzte Spiel kommt. Aber vielleicht werden sie unter den Pressuren. Wir sehen. Es wird wirklich spannend sein. Ich weiß nicht. Ich habe ... Ich habe ... Ich habe ... Ich habe ... Ich habe ... Ich habe ... Ich habe ... Ich habe ... Ich habe ... Ich habe ...

01:13:02 Goodness, I switched because just their execution was on point. And, you know, as much as I would like to see Wealth Drive active kind of sneak away with a win, I would like some of my channel points back. So with that, it does look like they are in the arena. And I will just say that this is goodbye to Allie in November for...

01:13:31 This little segment. Thank you for hanging out with me on desk. And we will have some more new friends when we come back. And let's see how this match plays out.

01:13:47 Welcome to the next match versus Welp Drive Active and German Railgun Team. It looks like we have, the match has already started off, and Gelathi and the Tholos is taking a lot of damage from this control team with the Scorpion, Harbinger Navy Issue, Phobos, Augur, Magus, and Karius, and the Tholos is in deep armor about to go down here. I'm not sure what kind of dots he got off on this.

01:14:16 Auf den Fobos, I suspect. Ja, auf den Fobos, das ist es.

01:14:42 Ja, absolut. Und es sieht aus wie das Dolos ist, hier. So die Young Renegade und die Osprey ist zu machen, während die Karies, die Karies für die German Railgun-Team ist der Primär, während also Chadwick und der Scorpion ist auch in der Primär, als es ist Jamming-Things und so ist es zu machen, und so ist es zu den DPS und zu machen die Loggie, zu den Reps, und zu viel mehr Arbeit.

01:15:07 Absolutely deleted. Welp Drive Active, that's a really huge get that tackle off the field. This Tholos is just, you know, living to win here. It looks like... Yeah, the Tholos have scurried off and is about to MJD back into this fight after having been mostly repped up by Young Renegade. It's taking a bit longer because Young Renegade is presumably under some ECM pressure here. But they need the Tholos to get back in in order to do enough damage to stress Vega.

01:15:36 in the Augur, who's not having much of an issue. Solos is MJ Dean. Solos is MJ Dean. Who is he getting right in there to, looks like, where's he going to go?

01:15:50 And he's in, and he's in. Yeah, that was a fine MJD. Yep, he's getting right out of Scorpion. He's going to dot this Scorpion. It's going to take a lot of DPS now. He's probably going to be primary. Once again, he is. He's going to go right into death. And he's down, and he's down. But he got a couple dots off, it looks like. So that will really help out their team with the remaining stuff that they have on the grid still. I mean, they're fully still there. Wolf Drive active. Yeah, that Tholos getting a dot off is...

01:16:15 Almost effectively 600-700 DPS for 75 seconds onto that Scorpion. And as you can see, it is making the difference. The Carries of Working Man taking a bit of damage, but the Scorpion of Chadwick slowly bleeding down in a third armor. Yeah, and on the other side, the Osprey is the next primary. But he is doing a good job.

01:16:43 Keep it alive. And this Carys and Scorpion are both going down equally. The Augur is going to have to choose and he should be just on. Hopefully they only have rep bots on the Carys, but he's taking pretty good reps. So I don't know what they're doing, not giving it all to the Scorpion here. The Carys is holding the Raven away from the Scorpion. Not far enough, judging by the damage onto the Scorpion, but there would have been...

01:17:12 Situation here, if the Scorpion could get far enough away from the Ray-Ban that it would be living. It isn't dying yet, but it is bleeding whole very tenuously. I mean, if they can trade out this sci-fi here, this is really good for them. You know, losing a Scorpion would be huge, but yeah. I think the Scorpion lives now. The Scorpion is definitely going to live.

01:17:39 The sci-fi is going to go down. And I think the German realteam kind of has this one. I'm going to lose my channel points here. I went for Wealth Drive Active. Yeah, that Karius is absolutely MVP in keeping that Raven out to the side there. Yeah, he did get him screened off. Good enough, didn't he? I'm going to have to assume that the Raven's damage is falling off. And more importantly, the Tholo 75 seconds worth of dots.

01:18:06 Es ist all over. Oh, Karius is down now. So they can get that Raven hopefully back in there. But they do still have a Broadsword. And he's definitely going to be probably primary next. The Cyclone of Osaki has died, which means that it's one Raven and one Broadsword. And I just don't think that's enough damage to keep... There's not enough damage, no. Absolutely not. Especially with the Phobos and the...

01:18:35 uh the h and i can just reach out and touch the uh young renegade in the osprey who's been trying to keep everything alive the best he can but uh you know when when you when you have almost you know there's a lot of dps still on the field and you know you just can't take that away and stay away from it um like drive active has this now there were a lot of

01:19:00 important, pivotal moments in this fight. The Tholos surviving, MJDing back in, getting Ogdod off. The Kary's holding the Raven off for such a long time. The Rush having to start off on the speed bump of the Phobos and get back onto the Scorpion in order to do damage without splitting it with ECM. There was such an amount of pivotal moments that made this...

01:19:27 A great fight to watch. Yeah, this was a really great fight to watch, you know, the first five minutes there, but in the last minute here we've kind of seen the tables definitely have turned into Whelp Drive. German Railgun Team really looked like they had something going there with Jalathi living to win and getting in the line to get dots on the Scorpion, but...

01:19:53 They switched very quickly on Welp Drive ActiveSide and quickly deleted him, which was huge.

01:20:01 Yeah, and it's easy enough for the Wealth to Win team to get damage on and kill the small things that they have killed so far. Nothing they've killed are known for being particularly tanky ships, but a Scorpion, a Harbnavian, a Phobos killing a Raven, it takes some time. Yeah, it does, yeah.

01:20:31 They're working on the Magus there for a second, but... What'd you say? Yeah, it's the kind of team that you bring where the goal just is to win. You have a win condition, you're going to make it happen, but you're just not going to chew through big targets to start off. You're going to get control over the situation, and then you're going to be...

01:20:54 Good enough. Yeah, and the Scorpion just showing how powerful of a battleship it actually really is in this kind of a format, because it can soak a lot of DPS, even in armor, and still effectively jam out things to mitigate as much DPS, so then the Lodgy's life is much easier to keep alive something like the carries it did for so long, or this Magus that's going to take DPS and then get repped up. Most likely.

01:21:24 One of the slightly underrated aspects of the Tholos pod is that it does damage in a cycle through multiple types of damage, last I heard. And it would have wreaked havoc on that Scorpion's reactive if it has one. I'm kind of assuming that it might, but...

01:21:49 Es gibt so viel damage in das Tholos. Das ist auch warum wir es so viel bann in diesem Format sehen, und auch warum es die erste Sache war. Ja. Und gut Fights going across to each other in der Arena hier. Teams being civil, das ist gut zu sehen. Ja, wir haben zu beziehen, weil wir haben zu practice gegen einen anderen nächsten Tournament als auch. Das ist eine of the great things about...

01:22:17 So, das Broadsort, are they just going to kill it, or are they going to let it go? I think they're just going to kill it, yeah.

01:22:44 It takes a while. They're tanky ships. I don't know why the guy's just going for the arena. I mean, he's going against a couple boundary experts there. He could just burn to that arena and they could let him see how far he could make it. The last time I was in a winning position in a match with one ship on the enemy side going for a boundary, they missed the boundary in their MCAD and we killed them afterwards anyway.

01:23:12 That's good stuff. That's pretty funny. Every direction takes you out of the boundary. Yeah. Well Drive has taken the match. And congrats to them. And we're going to head this back to the desk here.

01:24:18 Ich habe einen Lader, einen Galente und einen LMR. Und ich habe einen Englisch Slot. Habt ihr wirklich zu wissen, ob ihr ein Prop Mod braucht? Ich habe einen F***ing...

01:24:39 And with that we see a 1-1 matchup now with Welp Drive active taking the win over Moshenga Schützen.

01:24:54 Was that the match? Nope, that was Mashenga Shudson. Okay. There are so many teams. I just got to keep them together. Wow. What a match. Debs. One, welcome to the desk. Two, what about that Raven screen? Thanks. Glad to be here.

01:25:20 Ja, was wir sahen, waren zwei Ships coordinating, keeping das Raven away. Die Raven hat eine Range Bonus auf den Torpedos, und viele Teams verleten es als, ja, es ist ein Torpedos, aber es ist wirklich ein Mid-Range Boat. Und das ist kind of true, aber...

01:25:36 It's not infinite range. It's not 80 km with Rage. So once you screen that Raven off, prevent it from throwing Rage at the target, it's got to take 10 seconds, it's got to reload Navy, and it's doing much less damage with Navy than with Rage, especially against a Battleship target like that. So what we saw there was in the first match, they both brought Torpedo Rush. Warp Drive Active lost that Rush.

01:26:03 And they went, okay, we need to have a plan to deal with this torpedo rush. We didn't win this with a mirror. We need to come up with some other way to fight them. And they did. They came up with a different way. They had that screen. They had the jams. And they were able to punish them for bringing the same thing. Now, MSG was up 1-0. So for them, that's really a case of they can just decide, oh, well, we don't want to show anything new. If we lose, that's fine.

01:26:31 We can bring something new in the round three.

01:26:34 All right, and teams are landing, so I'm going to keep bans quick. We have the Lazy Piglets versus Blahajedine Freedom Fighters. Lazy Piglets being 1-0 so far, so Blahajedine gets the extra ban. Banning the Raven, Hyena, and Karies for the Lazy Piglets. For Blahajedine, they are banning the Hyena, the Celestis, Karies, and Typhoon. We are probably going to talk about...

01:27:02 Bands after, because it does look like they are ready. And let's go ahead and send it to the arena.

01:27:15 Hello, and welcome back to the Arena. I'm here with Radikos. Tell me a bit about the drones you see on Grid. Well, yeah, it's good to see Dominix, Miram, Navy, Stradios, Aug, Pontifex, and Sentinel going against this turret team from Tuskers. Yeah, they're both in the projection.

01:27:42 Ja, es ist wirklich interessant, als die Match starten hier, wenn es ein Logitrade gibt. Es sieht aus wie die Tuskers sind direkt auf Minishiro, direkt für das.

01:28:08 Logitrade right away, while those drones in this meta really don't take a while to get there, to get DPS on things. Look at the Prophecy Navy issue of Jason Asran has teleported back behind the Augur, and the Augur is going to be under a lot of pressure. Secondly, if you are a drone team, as we see here, you just don't have as many rep bots. All the pressure is from the Tuskers onto the Augur of many.

01:28:37 And still, there's no DPS. It looks like they're just... I mean, the drones are just on them. They do have some rep bots on the Augur. A lot of rep bots out. Looks like there are some Dami drones heading over to the Devoter. Well, one of the things that you do have when you are a drone team is a lot of spare high slots to put nukes in.

01:29:06 And they do have a Sentinel as well. They have Newts on the Dominics, they have Newts on the Stradios. They are just trying to squeeze all the damage out of the Tuskers team. But they cannot do that before the Augur goes down, I think. If the Augur goes down, do you think that they can hold and try to take down this Devoter that is just getting exec reps and has extremely high resists?

01:29:35 I just don't see how they're going to kill anything in the current status. They're not going to newt out everything before their Augur goes down. And he's in 5% hull basically now. There he goes. There goes Mini. Yep, that is unfortunate for the Bahajid and Neon team. Looks like Nex are going on the Stradios. They've got some drones on the Sentinel as well. Yeah, I think everything is going to go down for them from now.

01:30:04 I love the strategy, in theory, if you have any damage to go with it. I do love nuding people out myself, but they just had no damage to go with their nudes and tracking disruption for such a long time. They weren't accomplishing anything. I mean, I can understand bringing a sentinel when Akarius is banned, but when Akarius is open, it's kind of a pick or ban ship, except for unless you get a rush versus a rush scenario. That'd be the only time where...

01:30:33 Ich weiß, dass die Karrieste nicht so ist, wirklich. Und da geht der Senl-Isaac. Ich weiß nicht, dass Tusker das wirklich handelt hat. Oh, die Karrieste ist banned. Es ist die Molliszt, die sie haben gebracht. Ja, ja.

01:30:54 Ich würde sagen, dass wenn sie nicht so pressen, von der sehr start sind, sie würde versuchen, zu den Dramatischen Dramatischen auf den Ex-Sec und es um den Dramatischen Dramatischen Dramatischen Dramatischen. Das Spiel von Jason Osran, NJD'ing his Prophecy, auf den anderen Seite und zu den Lodschi, war was was, was sie nicht zu haben, zu haben, auf dem Blahai-Team.

01:31:18 Und was probably won Tuskers so decisively from the get-go. Forcing all the Rep Drones out immediately, forcing the opponent's team to do no damage. Newts are not fast-working. It's going to take minutes to Newt people out, and you can't do that while your launch is dead. Yeah, and we see right here now Jason Orzen is going down, but with that Stradios Mirakirga...

01:31:46 Also, in very low armor, about to hit Hull. It's not going to be effectively traded here. Like we said, the Augren goes down and everything just eventually dies quicker to a team that is doing a great job just keeping DPS on without having any kind of Lodgy or any kind of tracking disruption that was there to help them mitigate as much damage to keep them alive as long as possible.

01:32:15 Is there anything that you think they could do differently to beat this comp? Or at least give it more of a chance? Not getting your launchy tackled that fast. I don't think they were necessarily expecting the projection comp to get them that fast when they brought the Sentinel. I don't know how the Sentinel was fit in terms of

01:32:45 of Missile and Tracking Disruptors, but you get these kind of games sometimes where you just go all in one direction and hope for the best. And like, if they had all Tracking Disruption, they might have thought that their Lodgy would be fine without a full suite of Rep Drones and that they would have damage to do something. And on paper, bringing a lot of newts and bringing Tracking Disruption...

01:33:13 ...should be good against a Comp that uses Capguns, but it just didn't work out for them. So do you think instead of taking the rep-outs out and staying on the auger to keep it alive, that they could have just sent their drones on the exec and eventually kill it like they just did pretty quickly? With only a couple drone ships left? They're not necessarily winning in a race, though. Well, yeah, but getting to that DPS...

01:33:42 If the Sentinel had been enough to keep the Hyperion Devoter and Prophecy Navy from effectively getting the damage out, that would have been how they would have done it. Yeah, that's kind of hard to do. Yeah, and the Mollus being around to damp out...

01:34:03 The tracking disruption, I would have assumed that Mollus was spending a lot of time trying to keep that Sentinel at bay there. Yeah. I just, I really think if they just would have went for, you know, the straight Logi trade and just let the Germans do the work, I don't think it would have been much of a time difference after that. And then once the Logi's out, I mean, you can really do a lot more work. Send a Sentinel over just, you know.

01:34:32 ...totally nude out the carries and, you know, make that ineffective. Or the mollisks can make that ineffective. You put your drones on the exec, you first have to chase the exec down. The exec gets the heat, it's midrack to get more speed. Once the drones have caught up to the exec, you have to burn through the exec and the exec reps itself. The projection comp does get to have...

01:34:57 Like, guilt-free Logibots. Like, they're not losing damage. They're always going to lose Logibots for that. It'll take you minutes to kill it on a bad day, especially if you don't get Newts onto it or get some sort of tackle. And they're just under too much pressure.

01:35:15 Yeah, right now we just have... Yeah, those are good points. Right now we just have Marcy, Endy, Mayan for the Neon team or Blahaj team. The Dominics trying to do its work and kill the Devoter, but he's going to still have his own reps and rep-outs on him. And I think he just tanks while Mira, Lawrence, and Kanan.

01:35:45 Just kind of dance around and do whatever they need to.

01:35:51 I'm once again reminded of the excellent skin choice of the Blahei team in Marcy and Mion's Dominix. And I'm just watching that Dominix. Kind of like a Captain America theme, right? Well, I mean, it's a trans flag, but we see the explosion as the MJD goes off air. Marcy seems to be going...

01:36:20 ...directly out of the arena. Are they? Oh, they're turning around. They want to take Alec and the Voter down with them, I guess.

01:36:39 Good fights are going out in local, obviously. We know the result of the match, but there is a little bit of time left to get some pretty explosions. One minute, to be exact. I don't necessarily think anything is dying in one minute. Nope. Oh, here goes MJD. But it's back in towards the middle. Maybe jumping on the Hyperion. Try to fight the Hyperion.

01:37:05 Bump it out of the arena. Oh, it's still pretty far. Ah, that is so well. Yeah. Weighs off. Amir is just going to kite off. Look at the Devoter's RepDrone cloud there. Pretty massive. Can't do much with that much RepBots on there, can you?

01:37:25 Ja, das war es nur sie und ihre 20 besten Freunde, was ich zu sagen. Es ist gut zu sehen, Marcy, nicht zu geben und zu gehen, und zu glauben, in die Team und zu gehen, aber... Du hast fünf Sekunden leften. Du hast fünf Sekunden leften, bis der Desk geht's zu takeover und... Repeat our words of Wisdom. Not thought out.

01:37:56 Great job, Tuskers.

01:38:50 Ich habe F***ing Lader, ich habe Galente und ich habe ein MR, und ich habe einen Extra Slop! Ich habe F***ing 6!

01:39:08 And with that, unfortunately, the Shorks, or Blahajadin Freedom Fighters, are out of the Charity Cup. That is the first team to be eliminated. Brave... Sorry, Fear, why did they drop Rep Drones early? Did that maybe give them an advantage?

01:39:33 Also, what happened here was, Blowhiding, there are two things. One, unlike a lot of other drone control comps that we saw, they only brought one control ship on their team in the Sentinel. Typically, with similar comps, we see them bring the Arbitrator in that cruiser slot, which was available.

01:39:53 Probably would have helped him there. But basically what happened was, as the match started, this Prophecy Navy went on top of, or MJD'd on top of the Logi, and Wilhiteen Freedom Fighters kind of panicked, dropped rep drones instead of DPS drones, and tried repping their...

01:40:09 instead of just getting the DPS drones out and rolling. So for a significant chunk at the start of the match, they weren't doing any sort of DPS whatsoever to anyone on the enemy team, and it just kind of snowballed from there. We are seeing teams landing in the arena, though, so I'll just throw it back to you. Yeah, we'll do a really quick, just what the bans are, Honkai.

01:40:35 Here we go, Honkai banning the Geddon, the Prophecy Navy, the Hyperion, and the Tholos. As they lost the last match, they get an extra ban. Invasive maneuvering, banning the Mollus, Carys, and Tholos. So double Tholos ban, and with that, they have landed. We'll see what they bring, taking these bans in mind.

01:41:02 All right, we have for the Evasive Maneuvering Team, we have Skykiller Russian, a Scorpion, Pandina Cyclone, Fleet Issue, Faffy Waffy, Onyx, Mr. Capson and Osprey, Beam in a Jackdaw, and Sam Punisher in a Kitsune. And on the other side, on Honkai, we have Typhoon, Sci-Fi, Orthrus, Exac, Magus, and Hyena. What do you think about this?

01:41:31 We have a different matchup, but same to what we had recently. This is...

01:41:42 We saw a Scorpion recently, but in armor, and it's flipped on its head where we have Shield Scorpion up against a team that is looking to be able to do some kiting, but in armor. You're going to see extreme amounts of target paints and application mods from the Hawkeye Star...

01:42:10 und sie werden mit den Schmacken gehen und den Jackdaw schnell und Osprey auch. Während die Scorpion-team wollen, sie wollen sie mit den Schmacken geschehen, die sie mit den Schmacken bekommen, die sie mit den Schmacken bekommen. Und sie wollen sie mit den Schmacken geben. Aber sie müssen sie mit den Schmacken machen.

01:42:33 Ja, und als du siehst, sie versucht es zu rutsch in und getrennt. Du hast Magnus auf Mr. Kapps. Mr. Kapps ist bereits in Half-Shield, um zu schnellen. Auf der anderen Seite, es scheint die Orthis ist ein bisschen DPS auf der Hyena. Aber mit dieser Osprey zu gehen so schnell...

01:42:52 You know, it seems like maybe these jams aren't getting off, so they can put it all on the Scorpion. And there goes Mr. Caps and the Hasprey. That's a huge loss for the invasive maneuvering team. And, you know, absolutely the best trade you can make for the Honkai team. Like, you've got the high tank shield here with few utility mids. They're doing a lot of damage to Kasmir in that Cyclone. There goes Jackdaw, just like that. Sorry.

01:43:21 Ja, ja, weil die Armored Team hat all die applikation. Sie wahrscheinlich hat eine decent amount von Sibos und Arsibos mit ihnen, als auch, um zu standen gegen die Jams zu stehen. So es wird nur um, um, ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob ob

01:43:49 Es wird hier sehr schnell sein, während der anderen Seite tankt ein bisschen. Aber Sie werden nicht sehen, dass ein Tank aus der Sci-Fi mit Tec-1 Lodg, oder mit Tec-1 Lodg. Es geht nicht so gut. Es geht auch mit einem Orthrus. Aber ja, wie Sie gesagt haben, dass das Applikation wirklich hat. Das hat sie wirklich geholfen, die Smallwingen sehr effizient in Lodg.

01:44:18 Now we're just waiting on XLASV charges from Pandy, as they're trying to kill the Typhoon that has exec reps. That's going to be pretty rough here.

01:44:31 Ja, ich glaube nicht, dass Typhoon das Typhoon ist, bevor Pandy ist. Und dann hat das Punkt, du hast, was? A Scorpion and Onyx? Ja, das ist ja, es wird ein hartes Problem sein, die Hyäna, an das Punkt ist, ist quasi immortal, wegen der kleinen SIG. Oh, absolut. Just run away from Drones?

01:45:06 Das ist ein Kruz-Skorpion, als ich kann. Ich bin sicher, es ist es. So, es wird able, zu reach out und touchen die Typhoon. Es ist einfach nicht so, dass es die Damage zu beaten. Ja, ich meine, Fafi ist auf 6 oder 7, hier, aber er ist still just, you know, eating it right now.

01:45:32 The Scorpion, really, I don't know if it just had, you know, what kind of jams it had on there, but it was not effective at all. They were able to just shoot everything else but the Scorpion. I think the Kirin was keeping the majority, no, the Kitsune, I mean, was keeping the majority of the jams on that team. You don't...

01:45:54 Yeah, Sam Punisher was running around with drones just chasing him the whole time, but he was doing a pretty good job staying alive as long as he did without Waji.

01:46:03 The thing is, you're not seeing a lot of shield ships in armor. Like, armor orthresses just are not that common. Cyclone fleets are such excellent ships that people are shoehorning them into armor reasonably often just because the ship is so good. Why would you not take it as often as you can? But if...

01:46:29 Wenn sie mit Armour in order to get all the extra mids, for extra Sea Bows, be able to shoot down the Ewor Frigate, because they expected this Scorpion comp, is a genius move. If they just happen to have a great comp against it, I mean, picking a good comp is always a good thing to do. You always want to show up with a great comp against your opponents, and it seems like they absolutely did in this case.

01:46:58 The careful balance of an ECM comp means that everything on your team needs to work in harmony, especially to keep your Lodgi alive. And the extra range, extra speed, extra application of the armor team here definitely meant that they were slightly doomed from the get-go. Right, yeah. Just being able to apply like that.

01:47:26 Especially to Osprey, I think. Osprey was doing its job, you know, keeping things live. But without that there, when you can headshot the Lodgy like they did, there's not much you can do after that, even with all the jams and trying to spread it out.

01:47:49 Es hat ein bisschen russisch in der Hull hier. Du hast all die drei DPS-DPS-Ships shooting past 100 km onto das Osprey. Es kann nicht run, nor kann es... Nein, nicht all. Ja, nicht all.

01:48:05 Sie sind nicht in NJD.

01:48:46 What's the password? Oh.

01:49:16 All right, and with that, we are back to another one-to-one matchup with Honkai Delta Force coming out on top. So, that means we have two groups of teams that are one-to-one. So, Welp Drive Active and Mashenga Schürzen.

01:49:41 Wow, if I could English would be helpful. So, yeah, absolutely fantastic.

01:50:08 Yeah, man, I am sad to see the Hajideen Freedom Fighters leave, but I hope to see their skins around at another point in time.

01:50:20 So we've got a little bit of time. Let's go ahead and see. Wow, English if I can. So devs, their jam target. Talk to me about these. Sure, so we saw at the very beginning that they jammed all the low end, trying to keep their...

01:50:44 Sie wussten, das war sehr gefährlich für sie. Sie wussten, sie wussten, dass sie das Schicksal werden. Aber die Faktor ist, dass sie nicht die Typhoon haben. Und das Typhoon war able, dass es einfach gut ist, besonders mit dem Armut. Sie haben all die Mids für Paints. Sie haben Missile Guidance Computers. Whatever sie wollen, was sie brauchen, was sie können. So, als sie jammed die Low-End...

01:51:13 They jammed the Logi, but they weren't applying any damage. So that Logi jam didn't do anything. They weren't able to snap something while that jam was up. Now, we don't know if the jam was successful or not, of course. But we can take a guess because we just didn't see damage coming out. So it was wasted. It didn't matter.

01:51:33 und sie verloren ihren Lodgy in der Zeit. Wir sahen die Chance-Takten, die sich aggressiv mit den Jams auf den Fokus auf den Lodgy zu halten, aber in der Rückkehr, sie verletzten nichts. Sie verloren ihre Lodgy, und nach dem, es war relativ schnell.

01:51:55 Sie konnten nicht alles aufhören. Sie konnten nicht alles aufhören. Sie plötzlich haben ihre TAM-boats auf, aber es war zu wenig, zu late. Es war eine Kontroll-Comp, die sich nicht aufhören. Versus eine Ranged-Enough-Comp, die nicht aufhören. Und sie waren fast genug. Alles war schlecht für sie da.

01:52:22 Yeah, it definitely happened. And it was a good fight. And honestly, I'm glad that we're seeing one-to-ones. I'm glad that we're seeing a little more of a fun fight and not just straight wiping the floor with them. So, I mean, I guess we'll see how it continues. But I hope we see more balance like this.

01:52:50 Next up, though, we do have Rage Sub Cancel Quit and Shrimps' Bugs. Rage Sub Cancel Quit banning The Devoter, Phobos, and Typhoon. Shrimps' Bugs banning The Arbitrator, Sentinel Crucifix, and The Typhoon. A double Typhoon ban here. Fear, what do these bans kind of speak to you?

01:53:16 Ja, so, I mean, Typhoon has been raising in popularity, I think, over the last, over today and over the last week. Just generally speaking, it, you know, can be used in armor missile kite setups, but also can be used in those shield rush setups, so torpedo rush setups. So it can be really, really strong. We've seen the Typhoon win a lot of matches today.

01:53:41 We just want to take that out of the way. Divider Phobos, okay, let's kill the Armor Hex while we're at it. And then Arbitrator Sentinel Crucifier, no tracking disruptors for you whatsoever. So it does telegraph, maybe trying to bring some sort of gun spam comp, but we've seen teams that have done this and then kind of mind games and kind of gone up one level and be like, you think that we're bringing gun spam, but we're also going to bring something else that counters what we think that you're going to bring.

01:54:11 We'll see how they do in this next match. Shrimps' bugs, I think, definitely feel like they've got something to prove after losing that last match in the manner that they did. So we'll see how it goes as they are now in local. They have not gone on to the arena yet. So I think we have time for predictions. I definitely think we do. Personally, I am throwing my points, not all of them, but I'm throwing a good chunk of them onto Shrimps' bugs.

01:54:40 Uh, like I said, I'm a stan of their meme game. I love their memes. Their ads have been phenomenal and hilarious. Do I wish that we could show them? Yes, can we? No. But, uh, otherwise, Debs, who are you, uh, who are you throwing your points on?

01:55:00 As much as it hurts me to say it for some specific reasons, I've got to go with Rage Subcancel Quit. I think that they're playing mind games with these bands again, and I think we're going to see something that they have definitively telegraphed that they're absolutely not going to do, and they're going to do it anyways.

01:55:20 I definitely think it'll be interesting. I definitely think the potential for mind games will be strong this weekend as we start going into further into matches where it's important to maybe play those games. With that though, it does look like they have landed.

01:55:46 So let's go ahead and throw it over to Dujek and Rakdos to go at Rakdos and see how this match turns out.

01:56:00 Welcome back to the Arena. I'm Dear Jake and I'm here with Radikos. We are getting a rematch of what we saw previously where we're going to see if the Roke can manage to MJDOA and not get torpedoed down quite as fast as earlier today. What are your thoughts for this match? Yeah, that Thelos is going to be huge in this match if they can keep it alive.

01:56:29 with that kind of projection and no carries on that team to damp it down. I'm not sure how long Melinda, who's an excellent Logipilot, is going to be able to stay alive. If you are the carries on the Bugs team right now, who are you damping first? Right now we are damping... Is that a Torp Raven? I believe it is.

01:56:58 I have not checked. Let's see. Or is it a cruise? It is going in. I'm pretty sure those are torts. Yep. So, I mean, right now you're just going to damp the Laji and hope that you can get some DPS right away. But we'll see. They're rushing in. The Scythe, Melinda, is taking some invasive maneuvering actions to stay alive. Yeah, the Raptor has gotten in on that Roke.

01:57:25 So, the Bugs team are going to try to kill Melinda and the Scythe. But that leaves the Tholos up to come in onto the team of Bugs as well. Absolutely, it does. And he looks like he did just scoop past Mr. Onyx there, because he is more focused on the Raven. Which makes complete sense here. And we'll see. God, that Melinda, he's just going down. The Raptors take a little GPS.

01:57:54 100 plus kilometers. Like, it's going to eventually kill a Scythe. I mean, all you gotta do is load Iron, and you're gonna snap that. You'll apply and snap that Melinda in the Scythe, which she's doing with the help of the Ferox as well. The Roque has taken some DPS. They're gonna be behind on damage. We're gonna see the third Breacher pod get up here, possibly onto the Ferox of Tim Baron.

01:58:19 Blue Morphium is taking good damage. Striker is basically only taking Breacher damage at the moment. They're going to try to kill Damasus Kadesh and the Cyclone, but they are really racing against the clock here. They have Logi, but they also have more than a Logi's worth of damage on them. Oh, absolutely. I mean, they have split DPS here. Split DPS on Onyx and the Roke. Onyx looks like it's going to die first.

01:58:46 Demess is taking DPS. He is only about half a shield. But this Roke is dipping down low. It is nice. It does have an Osprey to rep it. But right now, hitting an Armor, Blue Morpheum, really feeling the heat right now while Demess is still tanking, even without Logi. Carrie's not really doing... Can't do too much in this match.

01:59:14 Yeah, the Osprey of Yanisaz is basically being left alone to futilely try to get Blue Morphium's shield up. Like, you can see it's going up a little bit at a time, but also has to put reps on Striker Eriker to make sure that they don't die. And they're off Demas' Kadesh. They're going for Toastrot and the Raven, who's also barely taking damage, where Blue Morphium is crawling back into a bit higher shield and down again.

01:59:44 Are you taking bets on who dies first, Blue and Striker? I think Striker will die first. The Roke can tank a heck of a lot, especially when it's getting some reps on it. Mianasos is doing God's work for the Bugs team right now. This is amazing launching. Damascus Cadet is actually going to be the first chip to go down. To die, yeah. Whereas they have Striker. Wow, look at that hit on Striker.

02:00:13 Anis goes down first. I lose my own bet. Demas goes down. Now, does the rogue tank without the huge DPS from the sci-fi? I mean, I think he will. I think he'll take, I mean, it'll be, he'll bleed a little hole, but he's going to hold here. If Giannis can just stay within fall off, I think he can, you know, keep him going up a little bit here. Look at big reps hitting there. Big reps.

02:00:41 The Ravens slowly taking DPS. I mean, they're just really grinding on this Rage Club team. You know, Schripps really...

02:00:50 Das Lagi, swapping Lagi, letting the Roke fall down pretty far, letting the go of the scrim, then repping. Oh, the Roke does go down there. The Roke does go down. He cannot hold. Yeah, the Ferox just does not have the damage and application needed to get themselves out of this hole now. Like, it was incredibly close for so long. The launching was amazing. I just...

02:01:16 Please, teams, link the Lost Mails in Local or keep them for later. I just want to see how much damage that they'll send. Just think of it. It is doing 400 damage, not caring about resist, 400 DPS, 600 DPS, not caring about resists for that amount of time, just upgrading, reapplying those breacher pods.

02:01:44 Envy being the bug. The amount of damage he did.

02:01:49 And with that broadsword, Nicholas Keon, on the Osprey and drones, he just can't stay alive. And there he gets popped. Yeah, this had definitely swung there when we thought it had swung back to Shrimps. I thought we were going to see a Sci-Fi go down and them hold and be able to tank. But the Tholos...

02:02:15 wie stark es ist und wie es ein Pick-Band-Ship ist, für Teams mit einem guten Pilot zu flyen, natürlich. Ich möchte auf Lodge ein bisschen, hier, weil du hast den Rush-Comp bringen gegen den Projection-Comp. Der Rush-Comp brachte Scythe in order to run away und nur be able to be hit by the Roke.

02:02:41 Und die ganze Amount der Reppen auf dem Bugs-Team konnte nicht passieren. Die Osprey war der einzige Wahl. Oh ja, die Osprey kept ihn auf, für sicher. Ich glaube 100% mit dem Dujag. Ja, es hat die Osprey für den Kampf, die sie gebracht hat. Aber es ist nicht fast genug.

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02:03:36 Farmer's Bar could be anywhere.

02:04:06 I burn the pot.

02:04:30 And with that, that takes... Shrimps is Bugs to 0 and 2. Rage Sub, cancel, quit. Taking that spot going forward in the cup. Debs, that raven...

02:04:53 Honestly, I was a little confused on what he was doing, but you could kind of tell he was trying to screen, maybe? I don't know. Talk to me about that. Actually, as the Raven getting screened, what we saw there was, once again, just like we saw in one of the previous matches, the Raven has a lot of range with torps, a surprising amount of range with torps, but it is not unlimited.

02:05:16 So you saw the Raven get caught, so it wasn't able to apply Rage. This Raven was a little bit faster on that swap, maybe ready for it, saw it coming, and was applying Navy Torps from the beginning. But what was key here is we saw that Rogue slowly, ever so very slowly, drift out of range of the Raven, at which point the Raven couldn't shoot it anymore. But the key difference here is the Raven team this time had a Tholos alive.

02:05:45 That Tholos was able to put a dot on the Onix, and we saw that Onix of Shields, with nobody shooting at it, down at about 20%. So once the Raven is no longer able to shoot the Roke, the Raven does a hard swap onto the Onix. The Onix starts taking damage. It boosts a lot. It almost makes it. It almost lives long enough that the Roke is able to do enough damage to turn things around.

02:06:11 But not quite. The Onyx goes down, the Raven boats over, Rage Torps goes on the Onyx, and that's it. I think key things here could have made a difference. If that Tholos hadn't been there to put that damage on the Onyx, the Onyx starts at full shields, takes far longer. Without the Tholos damage on the rope, it takes longer. We also see maybe the Onyx could have prepped with their Osprey.

02:06:39 drop their point for just a cycle, get a burst of shields from the Osprey, point back on the Raven, and the Raven doesn't get far enough, it's still not in Rage range, and now that Onix has a lot more HP. So I think a lot of choices could have been made here to turn this around, but the key bit is the Raven was tackled, but they had a plan for it, and they were ready for it, and they managed to get that tackle off the Raven when it counted.

02:07:06 And that's what teams need to do, is take advantage of those critical time points. Oh. And I have a big stretch. With the cat. Anyway. Yeah, keep in mind that these next teams are one and one.

02:07:32 This is the deciding match for these two teams. Before we go into bans and stuff along those lines, just as a reminder guys, this is for charity. Everything that is donated goes to Weston Hospice Care. It is something close to a lot of people in production's hearts. And very...

02:08:00 Ich glaube, es ist persönlich in der Fakt, dass viele von uns in die Geschichte haben, um, Donations up to, uh, 2,500 pounds are going to be matched. Um, so please keep that in mind with everything. Um, and, and thank you for everybody who has donated so far. Um, we are absolutely thrilled, um, with...

02:08:28 und wir sehen uns, ob wir sehen, ob wir es wiederholen können. Ich weiß nicht. Aber mit dem, wir gehen in die Fans.

02:08:44 Oh, goodness. So, Wolf Drive Active has banned the Typhoon, Sentinel, Crucifier, and Arbitrator. Prophec-Ella Mischengeschützen has banned the Prophecy Navy Issue, Sentinel, and Hyena, along with their bonus of the Harbinger Navy Issue.

02:09:06 Anything stand out to you about these bans? No, these all look pretty standard. We've gone over why people ban all these different ships. All the tracking disruptions off the table again, but as we saw in the last match, that doesn't necessarily mean one thing or another. So we'll see what these teams bring with these bans once we go over to the grid. Yeah, it does.

02:09:32 Alright, so it does look like the arena is not quite ready yet. With that though, I will say that after this match, we are switching out. We're getting to see everybody on the desk and commentary today, so I will say thank you Debs and Fear for being up here with me. When we come back from the arena for the remaining matches, we will have...

02:09:56 Mr. CCP Overload and Rakados here to talk a little bit more. And then Debs and Lemon will be on the commentary desk. So we'll see new faces, old faces and all the above. But let's go ahead and send it over to the arena. It does look like they have landed and they're ready.

02:10:21 All right, we welcome you back onto the arena, then. I am accompanied by Debes, and let us see what a wonderful game Whelp-Driving, the German Railgun Team, can present for us. What are you thinking, Debs? I'm thinking this is going to be an execution battle, right? You've got a more or less near match with some really key interesting differences, particularly that Hekate and Myrmidon Navy.

02:10:49 Both things that we don't see that terribly often. Looks like we've got a little bit of time before the match starts, though. Definitely. I think it's going to be very interesting on how the two match up, because in terms of Brudix, Navy, and Myrmidon, we're basically looking at drones versus railguns, which is, we will see how well that'll play out for them. Heck, it can be a very big menace, though, I think, to these frigates on the enemy team, because if that thing gets on top, it can do menacing levels of damage.

02:11:19 Yeah, but it does mean no links. So in a longer fight, if this gets drawn out, which given that all of these things tank pretty well, it probably will. That Magus being around could be key. And the Magus also is going to resist that Hekate damage too with those T2 resists.

02:11:39 Definitely. What could, although, be a vital thing, is this tech gate is actually rails. It is not blasters, if I'm seeing it correctly, I think. So it's 150mm rails, so it'll have some projection, which I think can be a big poke element for the frigates of Whelp Drive. Yeah, that could really make that carry struggle. But again, both the carries and the Magus will resist that just a little bit. For sure.

02:12:09 Off the match goes. We'll see what they start doing. Both teams, no one's really rushing in here. Both of them are facing each other straight away already. Yep, and we see that carries. Actually, the MSG carries going down rapidly, whereas Welp Drive Active managing to hang on.

02:12:32 Und jetzt Hecate. Und jetzt geht's Hecate. Und jetzt geht's Hecate.

02:13:04 Although he is getting hammered out very quickly by those drones that are now on top of him. So I wonder how much longer he can stay up. Yeah, but he does have that cloud of repbots that we're all so familiar with, trying to keep him alive. And with that, carries and Hekate down. Both damage and Ewar is going to be struggling here. Damps are going to be on. For sure. Myrmidon getting hammered out too now, taking a very, very, very heavy chunk into the armor yet.

02:13:36 Notably, this Devoter ist nicht able to keep anything up.

02:13:44 Der Voter hat Higgs-Gramm auf der Augur von Mervega. Aber Mermadon-Navy sieht aus wie es die erste zu fallen. Die nur die Dämpfe von Jermann ist auf die Brüderkse-Navy, die ist noch bei einem 3.4. Der Exec ist reppig das Mermadon, aber...

02:14:07 Es ist einfach nicht genug, mit dem Mermidon-Local-Tank-Bonus und alles. Wir sehen die Macht der Abaddon, als es einfach schießt durch die Armour, nicht interessiert, dass es da sind. Das ist einfach nur ein starker Punkt, was Abaddon kann.

02:14:25 I think we're also seeing here that lack of links, meaning that the armor tank here for MSG is significantly less. Definitely. I mean, it's unbonused links. The Myrmidon, because it's a drone boat, definitely does have the highest to spare for links. But still, its links aren't bonused, and it can at best fit three links. So not that many links compared to what Welp Drive could have here on their ships. Yeah, exactly.

02:14:54 We see damage being split across Welp Drive Active now. MSG is about to lose their exec. But again, it's just almost disrespect here, not caring about shooting the exec until they get to the Abaddon and Devoter, the two tankiest things on the team. The Augur now finally possibly going down, but again, just far too little too late, I think, from MSG here.

02:15:22 Definitely. And I think the Augur is going to fall before the Exect does, just because of how heavily the Exect has been repping, whereas the Augur has been lacking. Yep, Augur falls before Young Renegade does. Which could be very significant for that Phobos and Magus that are in desperate need of armor reps at the current moment.

02:15:39 Certainly, this exec is now coming back. Maybe I spoke too soon, they can still turn this around, but they definitely have an uphill battle here. The exec is just getting very, very far away from the...

02:15:55 von der Welp Drive-Team, weil sie keine Drones folgen. Er hat diese Abilität, aber sie sind immer noch schüttet. Es gibt noch zwei Paints auf ihn, von der BNI und von einem anderen Ship. Ja, wir sehen die BNI mehr oder weniger, und er ist weg. Es ist so interessant zu sehen, Welp Drive zu sehen, mit Magus, Phobos und Keris. So, es sieht aus wie...

02:16:21 The Abaddon and Devoter have been shooting different ships from German's team, which makes sense considering the fact that the Abaddon is very slow and is struggling to get around the grid. We now see that MSG Abaddon just absolutely dropping, getting chunked in a way that you don't always expect from an Abaddon, so I suspect they have a lot of heatsinks on there and less armor tank.

02:16:49 Ja, und die Brudix auch. Die Brudix können sehr, sehr, sehr, sehr, sehr, sehr, sehr, sehr, sehr, sehr, sehr, sehr, sehr, sehr, sehr, sehr, sehr, sehr, sehr, sehr, sehr, sehr, sehr, sehr, sehr, sehr, sehr, sehr.

02:17:01 Oh, no! Devoter is able to maintain scram on him, but he is burning the other way, so... And I will be free soon. But is it enough? I don't know that it matters here. Abaddon is already getting hit very heavily. Yeah, at half structure, with the Brudix Navy issue, not even through infrastructure. Unfortunately, this Devoter does not have the capabilities to make a play here.

02:17:29 No, I don't think we're going to see a Devoter take out a Brudix Navy issue and a full HP Abaddon here. And as we say that, the Devoter is already in half armor after a few seconds of shooting.

02:17:47 Brudik's Navy Issue hier, jetzt in der Halt, aber Brudik's Navy Issue, also famous for having quite a lot of it. And the Devoter goes down first, and with that, we send it back to the desk. It's game over. Welp Drive takes it. ...been scammed and local? Has someone promised to double your risk? Have you been hit by a Hypernet scheme? If you answered yes to any of these questions, it's time to set safety to red.

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02:19:06 Und mit dem, wir sehen Welp Drive active, um, vorwärts, um, was, uh, Menschengeschütze. Menschengeschütze? Ah, anyway. Magnetoschütze?

02:19:34 Ja, ich bin sicher, das ist die Tradition des Verlangen. All I know. Für die German-Railteam.

02:19:41 I got told it was my duty to mispronounce it, so I think I more than did my duty there. And we welcome to the desk Ra- oh goodness, I confuse you with the Magic the Gathering colors team. It's okay. Radikos, or Rakidos, and Mr. CCP Overlord, er, Overload. He could be an Overlord, but... He definitely is an Overlord, I'll tell you that.

02:20:08 Ja, das ist okay. Ich war supposed to be Rakdos, wenn ich es gemacht habe. Aber ich habe gesagt, dass ich Radikos und das ist was ich bekommen. So, wenn jemand sagt Rakdos, ich accepte das, weil das was es supposed to sein.

02:20:23 Hey, it works. So I'm gonna throw this to Mr. Overload. Can you talk just, there's been lots of questions in chat. How do I get into tournaments? How do I find these? How do I, I may not be an alliance that qualifies, but how do I find the ones that maybe you're like this where you don't require an alliance to get into?

02:20:50 Das ist eine gute Frage. So, es ist eine gute Frage. So, es ist eine gute Frage. So, es ist eigentlich nur die Allianz-Tournament. Es war die New Eden Open ein paar Mal, und dann haben wir ein paar Dinge, wie Syndicate Competitive League, EVE-NT, Major-Minor-League, und natürlich die Anger Games. Ich würde sagen, die nächsten Mal, aber ich bin sicher Soth & Dirk will kill mich.

02:21:14 Aber es gibt so viele Möglichkeiten, diese Gras-Routes zu bekommen. Thanks zu der Thunderdome Server, die jetzt schon seit über 10 Jahren ist, was wir jetzt sehen, ist, dass Leute auf Thunderdome spielen. Das ist nicht auf Tranquillity. Das heißt, ihr habt nur 5 Millionen Scale Points, 10 Millionen Scale Points, oder was auch immer. Jeder Charakter hat Maximum Scale Points. So ihr seid an equal footing. Das ist nur an der pure Piloten-Ability. Und natürlich 3D-Crafting. Und ihr habt nichts, weil es auf Thunderdome ist.

02:21:43 Wie geht es? Ich sage es einfach. Du musst du etwas machen und du kannst du mit dem Tournament starten. Find ein paar Leute, die mit dir interessiert sind, und schaut euch an diese Community-organized Tournaments. Jintan organisiert diese Charity-Cup. Es ist ein tolles Tournament. Der beste Weg zu werden in Tournamenten ist einfach zu starten in ein Tournament.

02:22:06 There's a really active community on the E1Line Discord in the tournament area, Tournament General. People talk about and broadcast upcoming tournaments and events there. People looking for teams, looking for members for their teams. And obviously watch these, chat with people and just kind of get involved. Like I say, the barrier for entry to tournaments has never been lower. And it's wonderful to see how many new teams or newer or maybe...

02:22:35 We've had a nice mix in this tournament, I feel like, where we've had a nice balance between those old bros, I don't want to call them old bros, but those older teams that have a little more legacy and history to them that, you know, have been doing this. And then you have, you know, the newer teams. And then you have Dirk in the...

02:23:00 In the chat saying, we can also confirm Anger Games 7 at some point, we just don't know when. So... Yep, sometime. At some point. We'll see. Teasing that carrot on a string there in front of us. Everyone loves a little bit of Anger Games. I mean, I guess he's just deciding to put the carrot there and kind of...

02:23:26 Es ist also worth noting, als auch, dass wir alle diese Grassroots-Tournaments haben, die Allianz-Tournament selbst, das ist die größte Tournament in EVE Online, ist noch einfacher zu gehen in diesen Tagen als vorher. Wir haben, ein paar Jahre vorhin, die Plex-Sylent Auction für Slots getötet. Die Top-teams von den letzten Jahren getötet werden, aber alle anderen müssen in den Feedern, die auch in Thunderdome haben. Das heißt, wenn du 0 und 2 failst,

02:23:55 Du kannst noch spielen, aber es gibt noch nichts. Du kannst es nicht mehr machen, wenn du nicht mehr machen kannst. Und wenn du nicht mehr machen kannst, nicht nur die Präsenz für jeden Match, in der Skins gewinnen, sondern auch in den Feeders gewinnen, du musst nur zwei Matches in der Main Tournament gewinnen. Wir gewinnen die Präsenz zu 16.

02:24:17 Das ist unglaublich. Es war nur in den Top 3, aber jetzt ist es all den Weg zu 16. So, Teams, die 16-jährigen kamen, haben eine Python, zum Beispiel. Das ist eine Allianz-Termin-Battleship, die erste in viele, viele Jahre zu geben. Und das ist eine Trillion oder so, 1.5 Trillion für die Team. Wenn ein paar Matches ist, dann sind ein paar Trillion-Termin, das ist unglaublich. Und ich habe jemanden gefragt in der Chat.

02:24:45 What time the next match is? It is at 19.30. So here in about 13, 15 minutes-ish. Everything is based off of Eve time. You don't have to worry. All you gotta do is just follow along using your in-game Eve clock.

02:25:05 But honestly, as somebody who has never... I've watched, right? And it was... I was really just like, okay, this seems fun. And now that I've been sitting here and hanging out with everybody and doing this, it's like, okay, I can see this is so much easier than I personally thought to go, hey...

02:25:33 Ich sehe sie cook und wir sehen sie, und es ist okay, das ist Spaß. Ich bin jetzt hier und zu sprechen, aber ich möchte sie mit den Schiffen zusammenarbeiten. Es ist absolut gut. Und eine der besten Dinge ist, dass alle diese neuen Teams kommen und bringen Disruptive Metas. Du hast die Storied-Teams mit viel Erfahrung gemacht haben, die das für Jahre und Jahre und Jahre und Jahre.

02:25:59 Sie haben viel Erfahrung, sie haben viel Erfahrung und dann kommen sie gegen diese Team von Rookies, die nicht wissen, wie es zu tun ist, und sie bringen etwas ein bisschen aus dem Wallen und kommen mit einem verrückten Krieg. Wir sehen das all die ganze Zeit. Es geht nicht darum, wie gut Ihr 3D-Crafting ist, wenn Ihr Enemies bringe die wrong Komp, dass keine Sensible Person, aber sie bringe es und Ihr Komp loses.

02:26:26 Die Bands können huge sein. Sie sind für die Experten, was sie zu sehen. Und was ist von einem neuen Team gebracht, das sie sich aus und sie sich überrascht. Es kann viel Spaß für neue Teams, um einen gewinnen zu bekommen. Und ich denke, es bringt viel, besonders in den kleineren Team, aber auch in den Allianz-Tournament.

02:26:51 um you get those core group of friends together and then you just kind of do the same thing on tq you bring it back there and then you go to es and kite around there or go in es and and you know brawl in it and and you know it can uh you know it helps you just uh

02:27:06 It's one of those things when you bring it from TQ to the Alliance, to tournaments as well, because that just keeps you, you know, you don't get rusty, you know, when you play on TQ. There's always that rust effect that has to be shaked off for other teams that only play, you know, for just tournaments or just the Alliance tournaments specifically.

02:27:25 But in the same token, you have older players that don't even have to play on TQ. And when they do have to play on TQ a couple times a year for matches, they dominate. But that just comes with experience. That's what those new guys need to get out there and do. Just find one friend, become a captain, nominate them or vote them in. Do a wheel of name spin and see who you get. Maybe even marbles. Or even what do we do that one year for the...

02:27:54 Die Marmels, die Bingo Machines. Die Bingo Machine, ich liebe das. Das war gut. Ja, ich meine, es sind die Experienzischen Teams haben sich schon seit langem. Die Tuskers, die in den Allianz-Tournament 14, zum Beispiel. Das war ein ganz anderes Set von Leuten. Es gibt einige Names, aber die Names in den Tuskers, die letzten Jahr waren, viele sind neu zu den Tuskers. Mir, der Captain, zum Beispiel, kam in...

02:28:22 durch die 5e5s system. Und dann hat er wirklich gut gemacht. Er hat sich wirklich in den Tournament entschieden, dass er auf-Meta war ein paar Mal. Und das ist wie wir mit Sins in der Landskermit-Finalen, zum Beispiel. Triple Hyena. Triple Typhoon. Triple Squall. In den Finals last Jahr. Es war wild zu sehen. Team wie Truth Honor Light,

02:28:50 One of the most experienced and best teams that have played in the Alliance Tournament outside of Pandemic Legion. Have done really well just being in the meta, knowing the meta, sussing it out. And then Tuskers just comes along and Mira and Vld are like, no, no, no. And bring that triple hyena and they can just apply to everything.

02:29:17 Exactly. Ja, es war so, es war so, es war so, es war so, es war so, es war so, es war so, es war so, es war so, es war so, es war so, es war so, es war so, es war so, es war so, es war so, es war so, es war so, es war so, es war so, es war so, es war so, es war so, es war so, es war so, es war so,

02:29:41 Some of them, I was sitting here with my mic muted, and you could see me on the little camera thing we have, and I'm going, go, let's go, you got... Like, I'm sitting here cheering, and nobody can see me, and, you know, it's like, I'm just kinda like, okay, well...

02:30:00 Ich hatte das gleiche in den letzten Matchen. Die Carries waren so schnell. Ich war so excited, weil ich nicht gedacht war, dass ich es so schnell war. Ich dachte, dass Hekate vielleicht ein bisschen damage auf den anderen Carries war. Aber es hat definitiv nicht gemacht. Die Matches haben so gut gemacht, diese Tournament. Ich sehe Neon.

02:30:21 you know, as a team on their own in a tournament, getting to the playoffs, I mean, that's huge for a team like that. Yeah, they have probably, you know, a good majority of, you know, top pilots on TQ, you know, small nanogame pilots. So it makes sense why they made it this far. I mean, they have excellent pilots on the team. So, you know, it's kind of sad to see like those guys and like Shrimps' Bugs, seeing those guys go out too. It's surprising you see a team like that. But, you know, going against...

02:30:50 Going against, was it Rage Quit? You know, those both teams, I believe, were one team, at least their mess was on, was it White Flag? AT17? Yeah. And so seeing that split off and, you know, those two teams go down their own paths and then, you know, re-meeting later tournaments is always fun to see because you get a good little...

02:31:15 Mindgame metagon, and most importantly, excellent pilots on both those teams. So it's just really fun to see the competitiveness in the tournament scene. It's just so much fun. Yeah, of course, thanks to CCP Zealous, who makes a lot of this possible, manages the servers. He has to sit there in the morning and wind up Thunderdome so that it runs for the day. He's an absolute hero.

02:31:44 See, I just imagine Mr. Zealous sitting there with one of those little pedal bikes at his desk and he's having to self-generate the electricity and pedal power in Thunderdome. But the joke would be that he turns into CCP Thunder Daddy to pilot and maybe pedal to get Thunderdome back on.

02:32:10 we'll take it i mean i love i love hearing that i've never heard that thunder daddy i like that um he can peddle all day but that does not stop me you know it does not it does not it does absolutely not i know i i picked it up from a raid that we did he just went oh no and i'm just like okay

02:32:33 Oh, no, no, no. Somebody just turned it into CCP Thunder Daddy Supreme, like a Taco Bell Supreme, and I approve of this. With that, I'm going to go ahead and get us ready for the next, well, the last match of the quarterfinals, which is Honkai Delta Force versus Evasive Maneuvering. We have Honkai Delta Force banning the Hyena, the Hyperion, the Tholos, and the Raven.

02:32:59 We have Evasive Maneuvering banning the Mollus, Carys, Armageddon, and Scorpion. Both of these teams, because they have lost 1 and won 1, basically they get an extra ban. On each side, Rattados, Rattados, Rattacos. Dattacos is also something I'm being called. Dattacos? Okay, Mr. Dattacos, talk to me about these bans. Alright, so this is Honkai and Evasive Maneuvering, correct?

02:33:30 Ja, so, uh, seeing, where are these bands, apparently I'm not seeing these bands updated. I can see them, so Honkai have banned out Hyena, Hyperion, Tholos, and Raven, with evasive maneuvering banning out the Mollusk, Keris, Armageddon, and Scorpion. I quite like the Raven and Scorpion bans, using those extra fourth bans, because we're into the third match of the series. The Raven has been a really dominant ship, it's either

02:33:54 Obviamente hat es auch mit Torpedos oder Crews gegeben. Both haben sehr effektiv, wenn man fielded effektiv und effektiviert. Einige der Bestmatches von dem letzten Woche haben diese Spiele gegen einen anderen. Und die Skorpion, natürlich, bringt eine tonne E-War control. Banning out the Armageddon, mit ihren Long-Range Newt und die Skorpion, auch, sagt, dass das ein komp wird, wenn sie das Weak zu E-War bringen. Oder eher, sie müssen sie nicht geholfen, dass sie nicht ihre Gäste geholfen haben, und sie nicht ihre Lodge jammed.

02:34:23 Right.

02:34:26 Yep, as somebody who is really, uh, how do I say this? Apparently bad at reading. I, uh, I believe I looked at the interesting... No, I did the right bands. No, maybe? No. No, I didn't. At this point, I don't know. My brain is confused. They have not landed on the field yet, though. Um, predictions? Uh, CCP confirmed.

02:34:55 CCP Overlord, who are you saying? This is a tough one, because these are two pretty good teams. I think Evasive Maneuvering are potentially the better of the two teams, but I would not at any moment count out Honkai Delta Force. They've shown that they are experienced pilots, they've had good 3D crafting, they've had good execution, so of course they could probably snatch this victory from Evasive Maneuvering, but I would put my money on Evasive Maneuvering.

02:35:23 Yeah, so I want to put my money on Evasive Maneuvering too, but Honkai Delta Force is a very strong team and they execute very well. I mean, you have Skykiller Russian and Faffy Waffy and Pandy, Sam Punisher, all on, you know, Mr. Keps on Evasive Maneuvering. That is a lot of big names, powerhouse teams, especially when that's four out of the six. Yanis is a great Logi Pilot, but Honkai Delta Force, you know, they've been...

02:35:52 They're just a mix of a bunch of... Is it the Asian community? Isn't that what the Honkai Delta Force is? Copper and some of those guys?

02:36:04 Ich glaube, das war das letzte Mal, das war das Team, Evasive Maneuvering, und sie executed sehr gut. A lot sind die gleichen Bans, aber in diesem Fall, ich denke, wir werden sehen, die Powerful Prophecy Navy, die kann...

02:36:30 um you know extend its beams across the the arena um so we'll see here uh what uh what comes out of this i i think i'm going to pick evasive maneuverings because i know a couple of those guys but i could delta force uh gave him quite the match last time yeah i i am really uh

02:36:56 Honestly, just looking forward to seeing, because this match is 1-1. Whoever loses this goes home. I love elimination matches, because this is when you see teams bringing out their best that they can bring. Of course, there's always a bit of a will-they-won't-they early on in tournaments. Do they want to bring out their best comp right now and show it off?

02:37:21 Ja, ich glaube, dass die Cyclone Fleet Armour und Orthrus Armour fit ist, zu sehen, was kind of utility sie nutzen.

02:37:48 Ja, wir sehen, was sie bringen hier.

02:37:53 Yeah, I honestly, prediction-wise, it is a very... They're within 20 points of each other. Honkai's at about 41, floating between around 40 to 43. Evasive Maneuvering has 59%. Percent of the Loyalty Points floating again between about 58 and 60%. I'm gonna throw this to Datikos. Who are...

02:38:20 you putting your points on they're not on grid yet so we can't uh i did put on invasive maneuvering i did

02:38:30 Sensible choice. I was just looking over the bans again, I think it's interesting that there's so much Ewar removed here, like the Hyena, the Mollusk and the Keri, so a lot of the really popular frigate slot control ships being banned out here, no long-range webs, no long-range damps, both the Keri's and the Mollusk being banned out, and then of course Armageddon, as I mentioned, has that bonus to Newt range, so a lot of Ewar removed.

02:38:59 Are they trying to force people to go away from pure control and run into a DPS rush and then kite out? Or are we going to see two rush comps go up against each other, for example? There's a lot open. I see Sentinel Cup being brought here, but with P&I being open. And yes, the rush is open, the Typhoon kite comp, or Cruise Typhoon is also open.

02:39:24 I think we're going to see more of a projection comp versus projection comp, possibly. But we'll see what happens here. With the carries of Mollus out, that's a lot of Ewor off. Obviously, you still have a Celestis that you can choose from to damp without still. But if you bring a Celestis, then you can't bring...

02:39:52 A Hick? Or a Hick, and I think we've seen so far Hick was super popular for that slot. Oh yeah, it's the strongest ship for sure in that slot. So much control for that bonus Hick point. Yeah, I'm thinking we're going to see Armageddon, or not Armageddon, but Abaddon, P&I, Phobos to Voter type of projection comp, Octodaddy, whatever you want to label it as.

02:40:21 Und in case anybody thinks he's cheating, the teams have not landed yet. We do not know what they are bringing. We are making guesses. But with that, I will say my points are on Honkai. Honestly, I like the little back and forth they've got going on. Do I really wish that, you know, maybe the underdog would win? Absolutely.

02:40:47 I'm a fan of the underdog and I would love to see, not necessarily a Cinderella story per chance, but I would like to see maybe an upset, for lack of better words. Oh yeah. I mean, who doesn't want to see an upset, you know?

02:41:06 Es ist immer ein Sidoro-Story. Das ist immer der beste, das zu sehen. Es ist so viel fun. Ich liebe es, wenn David auf den Goliath und erinnert hat und erinnert etwas Sand in den Gesicht und erinnert ihn, und erinnert ihn, und erinnert ihn. Ich liebe das. Ich liebe es, die Unterdogs-Winning. Aber ich kann es nicht aus. Sie haben so viel Erfahrung mit dem Team. Ja, ich meine, Kepz ist eine der besten Logi-Pilots outside General Hungry.

02:41:33 Und ich denke, mein eigener Tank Blast. Aber sehr, sehr gut in Positionen und Leben zu gewinnen in den Champions-Terminen und in Anger Games letztes Jahr. Und zu haben SkykillerRussian, der wahrscheinlich der besten Arena-Gamer für Proving Grounds jetzt in der actualen Arena, hat sehr gut gemacht.

02:41:58 So with that, I really hope that Honkai has their pocket sand in handy as they have landed, and let's go ahead and throw it over to the arena. Welcome back to the arena. I am Debs, joined by the young Citrus Master. Can you give us a read on the cops here?

02:42:22 Definitely. So we have Honkai Delta Force as the red team, pulling up with a Dominik's Drone Comp and a Stradios as well, which is definitely a ship that we haven't seen much. I am willing to bet that this is going to be a new Drone Comp type spiel. And then we have Evasive Maneuvering, the blue team, in a Pulse Kite APOC Comp, I think. So I'm interested to see how this will match up.

02:42:50 Yep, just one gun on the Stratios, none on the Dominix. So definitely that Newt comp with drones for damage. And we see Lynx going off, and the match is beginning.

02:43:07 I'm curious to see what Evasive will be doing here. And it looks like they're going to be rushing in, because for them, getting closer means more damage, whereas for Red Team, for Hongkai, their distance from the enemy ships really doesn't matter because of their drones. Yep, and one thing to note here, no damps. So we've got damage onto the exec with no real way for them to mitigate that, other than just by taking even more range.

02:43:36 Currently tanking right now. We do see armor maintenance bots going out to that exec, which is something we saw before, and it didn't work out too well. Armor maintenance bots got pulled, so we do see damaged drones, but very few. I believe that could be foreshadowing to Red trying to make a MJD play, which is why they wouldn't want to launch drones quite yet. Yes, it is indeed.

02:43:59 They have initiated MJD, so it looks like they are all jumping in, so I think they're going to try and get utility out of those newts to just brawl it out. But wow, EXEC, we're falling down for... EXEC, MJD, out of the arena, got bumped by his friendly Myrmidon, I believe, there at the last second. That is indeed unfortunate.

02:44:22 That puts them at a massive disadvantage just off of the bat. Yep, and we see here only the Stratios ended up taking that MJD. We got the Kruers up there now too, but the Mermidon Navy issue, the Dominiks, those really big heavy Newts not getting in there. Drones finally coming out from the Dominiks, I think, here. Dominiks looks to not be propping, only going 85 meters a second. All right, now he props up.

02:44:50 But he is definitely far from the action to put utility to those heavier-medium nudes that he likely has in the highs, judging that he has no visible guns. And the Stratios here dropping rapidly with no Logi. And isolated from all his friends. Stratios now down. That's a lot of DPS gone from their side. Now only the Myrmidon, Navy, and Dominix left. Magus now taking damage.

02:45:14 Indeed, it looks like Mr. Kepps is pulling range now, but how much does range really matter here where the drones are following him? Although it looks like there are a lot of AFK drones right now in the arena, from the red team in particular, that are not assigned to anything. Of course, some of those are from dead ships already, but... It looks like the Berserkers are getting pulled back. They're trying to swap targets. I don't know what they're going to do here.

02:45:41 Brüwer ist ein vallieres Effort nach dem Augur hier. Sehr head-on-chase hier.

02:45:49 Maybe the Crewer can keep that Augur over there with those webs and prevent it from getting reps on something, but with only the Dominiks and the Mermidon Navy left, I don't think they can hold it long enough for that to be effective. Definitely, especially considering that the Merm Navy is getting hit very heavily. I wonder if it might have a local rep of its own or something to help it tank, but if not, then he will have very little remaining time on Grid left before he gets sent out to the Shadow Realm.

02:46:18 I think we can pretty confidently say that he does. The Dominics does have Newts onto a couple key targets here. The Devoter, the APOC. APOC as well.

02:46:30 Die Apoch ist still firing. Its tank ist nicht gestorben. Die nur die es hat, die es zu tun hat, ist es zu schützen. Es hat eine Kat-Booster. Die Newt werden nicht stopt das von firing any time soon. Definitely. Looks like Mermadon Navy wird fallen hier. Und da geht's. So, wir sind jetzt nur ein Dominix und ein Kruger.

02:47:00 Die Crewer scheint zu haben, dass der Auger verloren hat. Er ist noch auf dem Topf, aber der Auger hat viel mehr Speed.

02:47:13 Er ist jetzt die Zeit des Lebens. Ja, jetzt ist es die Dominik geht. Es hat ein bisschen Tank. Die Newts werden die Damage ein wenig. Aber wirklich, ich glaube nicht. Es ist nicht genug, dass es die Tide ist. Er ist auch so, dass er...

02:47:35 Taking a lot of damage, almost a little bit squishy for what Dominik's can have as EHP. Yeah, considering the entire enemy team is up, so... For sure, and if the APOC is shooting on flag into him, that definitely punches through him as well very quickly. Yep. Reaching hull now.

02:47:56 We'll see the Galente hull tank. I mean, it takes slightly longer than if they had been shooting anything else, but it really won't matter. One last rep cycle getting off there before the Dominics goes down to join the rest of his team. And both of them die. Game over with that one, and Evasive takes it. Nope, and with that, we'll send it back to the desk to talk about that.

02:49:10 Ich habe... Ich habe... Ich habe... Ich habe... Ich habe... Ich habe... Ich habe... Ich habe... Ich habe... Ich habe... Ich habe... Ich habe... Ich habe... Ich habe... Ich habe... Ich habe... Ich habe... Ich habe...

02:49:30 And with that, we see Evasive maneuvering, uh, well, evasively maneuver their way into the next round. Honkai Tilt Force being removed from the tournament as well. Oh, goodness. Mr. Overload, or Mr. Confirmed at this point. You might need a name change. But, uh...

02:49:58 Talk to me about the boundary in that MJD. Looks like they were maybe bumping there. Pocket Sand went on Friend. What do? Yeah. It's rather unfortunate. So if you've never played in a tournament match before, I'll give a quick rundown of how the arena looks. Essentially, there's a beacon in the middle with an MJD unit. The arena is 125 kilometers in all directions from that center. And there's also...

02:50:25 Eight additional MJD units that form a square with a hundred kilometers on the side kind of around the center of the arena. A lot of teams, a lot of experienced teams will use those beacons to move around the arena to make plays. And we saw Honkai Delta Force recognizing that, you know, they're for the drone comp. The enemies have this sort of more projection comp. They need to get in about them. I mean, that dummy has six utility highs, which would be fit with newts, which would be great to shut down an APOC, but of course you've got to get on top of them.

02:50:54 So you see them position themselves, head for a MJD jump as a team from the back line by all approaching that beacon. They all turn, they align, and normally when you activate a micro jump drive on your ship, you go the direction that you're facing the second you click that button. The tournament ones work differently. You go the direction you're facing when the spool up ends. So if you get bumped while you're spooling up and your ship turns around,

02:51:22 You will just shoot off in the wrong direction. And we saw the Executor lining up to head towards the center with his best friends to go shoot some Apox in the face. And then it looks like we think it might have been the Mermadon Navy. The two of them are a bit too close together. They kind of just bumped and it caused the Executor to pivot. And then the MJD fired and took him straight out of the arena. We call that...

02:51:47 A big Sag in the business. That was very, very sad for him. I'm sure he was very tilted after that. But I mean, honestly, they had the strategy right. Pull back, jump in, use those newts, shut down the enemy team. But they just took too long kind of doing it and executing it.

02:52:06 Sie fumbleden all ihre Lines und dann aus der Arena, das ist wirklich wo es wirklich angefangen hat für sie. Und natürlich, Evasive Maneuvering, wenn man ein Fehler macht, dann wird man nicht gewinnen. Sie werden das Fehler machen. 100 Prozent. Sie werden das Fehler machen. Und dann sehen Sie, nach dem Logi, die M.J.D. in die Boundary, die quickly, die Honkai-team-team-team-team, dass sie nicht

02:52:35 All take the MJD. And they're going to go in. You see the drones get dropped and sent right on Kep's right away. And he was taking some damage. But he just kept kiting. And it looked like they were killing some drones as well. The Rep drones... There's nothing that really Honkai could do at that point. They're not going to tank.

02:53:02 ...on a bad end that they can't get their nudes on, just like you were reiterating what you were saying, CCP overload. So it's really hard to come back from something like that. And then, like we said before, seeing how evasive maneuvering pilots and their history, they are going to...

02:53:23 Sie können das so schnell wie sie können. Und es ist ein Brudix-Navy. Ich war auf die PNI-Fan. Ich bin ein großer Fan von PNI, aber auch die PNI-Fan kann nicht so gut sein. Teams wie Exodus in den letzten Jahren haben flown PNI-Fan tremendously well und shown wie effektiv sie können mit den richtigen Piloten. Und da haben sie den richtigen Piloten.

02:53:52 und sie einfach nur die DPS verwendet. Ja, es war eine gute Priorität als auch, um den Executor zu gehen, weil sie aus den Exekulern können, um es zu erzeugen, um es zu erzeugen, um es zu erzeugen, um es zu erzeugen, um es zu erzeugen, um es zu erzeugen, um es zu erzeugen, um es zu erzeugen, um es zu erzeugen, um die DPS zu erzeugen.

02:54:15 So you really need to make sure you keep that executor alive. He needs to be a little bit more survivable than if you have a bunch of repbots with you. So it's a great target call from the invasive maneuvering team and executed extremely well. They were composed the whole time. Yes. Yep, that kitsune also being brought instead of a sentinel was pretty cool to say. I suppose that it would be the next best thing.

02:54:41 Disrupting an incoming DPS really helps, or the Logi. And being able to stay alive and just not have to worry about anything is really nice, having someone like Keps as your Logi.

02:54:57 Speaking of that, I was told that the delay for the beginning of that match was Mr. Keps having the wrong fit because he named two of his ships the same name and making a noob mistake per the backroom.

02:55:22 I can't comment on it because I don't know and I've not been in this scenario, but everybody's getting a little bit of a laugh. We all become noobs once in a while. We all do those noob things once in a while.

02:55:36 Oh, yeah, absolutely. And before we go to break and pass everything off to a new crew, I just, again, want to kind of plug the charity, for lack of better words, a little bit. This is a charity close to Jensen's heart, helping with his family. It's close to my heart.

02:56:04 Ich habe schon gesagt, ich wünsche mir ein Family Member von mir zu haben.

02:56:11 Aber mit dem, es ist eine absoluten, große Hilfe für die Menschen, die nicht afforden, die Hilfe brauchen. Und es ist einfach so, um 2,500 lb. zu werden. So, was wir jetzt haben, die aktuellen amount von 931 lb. und 64 pence, wird also doubled. So...

02:56:41 We're trying to see. Let's see if we can maybe break the thousand mark. Maybe let's see how high we can go, guys. As it is for a fantastic cause.

02:56:54 Das ist einfach eine gute Sache zu tun. Aber mit dem, ich will einfach sagen, danke für alle hier auf der Desk, die hier sind. Heute haben wir Mr. Overload, Mr. Dadakos.

02:57:14 Wir hatten Allie, wir hatten Fear, wir hatten November, und wir hatten Debs. Vielen Dank für alle Leute von SoFAR, die sind auf der Desk mit mir heute Morgen. Und wir werden ... ... und ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...

03:21:40 Welcome back from the break. I am Chad Flame here with Hui Kante and Amelia Dusk Space talking about the next upcoming two best of threes that will decide who goes to the finals and who goes down to the third, fourth place bracket. For our first match of the semifinals best of three, we have Welp Drive Active versus the Lazy Piglets. Interesting match to get here. They had to play a best of three and Piglets went 2-0.

03:22:09 Ja, so...

03:22:38 Amir's team banning Scorpion Carries signifies, because playing into a Scorpion is kind of an RNG matchup, especially with the Jamtree to the Scorpion, and Alex has been known to fly both Armor Scorp and Shield Scorp, so it's just a pretty good ban overall to negate some of the ECM RNG. Carries is obviously just a good ban, but banning carries by itself is a little weird, because when you ban carries, Mollus is still open, so most people still opt into the Mollus.

03:23:06 Yeah, and Amelia, I'm going to bounce off of what Hui said. Seeing one Sentinel and one Karis, do you think that maybe these are some bait bands, or just, you know, those are strong ships, we don't want to see them, we're okay with dealing with a Mollus? What's your take on that? Yeah, so I think the Sentinel is a little bit different compared to the Karis-Mollus situation. It not only provides those TDs, but it also provides the Newts, which makes it much stronger than the Crucifier compared to the Karis versus Mollus. It'd be interesting to see, though, how much...

03:23:35 Ich denke, dass die Mälder-Mälder-Mälder-Mälder-Mälder-Mälder-Mälder-Mälder-Mälder-Mälder-Mälder-Mälder-Mälder-Mälder-Mälder-Mälder-Mälder.

03:24:04 Awesome. Yeah, not having those newts or the scram from the carriers, the newts from Sentinel, do go a long way. But like you said, it's going to be a balance of mid slots here. With that said, Hui, what do you think we're going to see on grid in this upcoming match? Yeah, so my best guess right now is Alex was probably thinking of taking a Scorb comp, either like the armor or the shield one that I just recently talked about. Based on this ban set though, like, because...

03:24:30 um you could go like rb mollus right and just run like a drone control comp into like a potential octa shocker i think mirror is probably looking at taking his raven comp the uh the raven at zero no uh propolis yeah propolis comp and then alex might just opt into like like a safe bet could be like an octa shocker but yeah again like the rb mollus comp is a little bit worrying

03:24:58 Well, with that said, we are going to find out what these teams have brought in as they have started to land on grid. So with that said, we're going to send it over to the arena with our casters to break down this match.

03:25:17 Welcome back to the Arena. My name is Firvana, joined by Allie Aris. And on the red side, we have Whelp Drive Active, who have brought Gun Spam. Allie, what have Lazy Piglets brought? Lazy Piglets have brought also Gun Spam. We have the Rail Hyperion that we've been seeing fronting up the Lazy Piglets since the feeders, backed by a bunch of other good projection ships. Both teams are, sorry.

03:25:46 Lazy Piglets have brought the Mollus, aiming to get some damps in, while Welp Drive Active has opted for instead the Crucifier. They're both going to do a kind of similar thing. Both of them are trying to lower the ability of the other team to project, but the Mollus might have a little bit of an edge over the Crucifier in that the Mollus can damp the Crucifier out.

03:26:07 Es kann, und es gibt keinen anderen Team mehr zu counter, als beide diese Teams haben optiert zu nehmen Hix in ihren Cruiser Spot, Phobos und Devoter. Also, andere differences, Augur und Navy Exec für Logi, und natürlich, Abba vs. Hyperion. So, ein bisschen mehr projection von beiden Teams in ihren Battleships. However, much like...

03:26:30 Much like in the AT, a lot of the time these gun spam mirrors, they go one of two ways. Either people just kind of poke and prod until they eventually all engage, or they start just rushing in at each other, per Black Bart Pirates. Favorite thing to say about these mirrors, so we'll see what the teams decide to do. The warp-ins are 90 degrees, and the team that is furthest back appears to be Lazy Piglets. 16 seconds left, what are you thinking about how we start this match?

03:26:58 Right now what I'm thinking about is the local microjump drives that we have seen from Lazy Piglets before. I'm expecting Jason, Osran, and Mirachieve to both have a local microjump drive fitted. So both of them should be able to reposition without having to go to all the bother of microbe driving around. But that said...

03:27:20 The match is underway, and it looks like the damage is going on to Conan Young in the mall is first, which makes a ton of sense. Those damps have got to be absolutely punishing. You can see them all in the cruise fire, preventing that weapon disruption from going out. Can Conan hold?

03:27:34 He's painted, but he is holding right now under the exec rep, so we see some rep bots also onto the exec, as well as this augur on both teams, as the augur is currently being the primary from Lazy Piglets. They also got a hick scram onto the Phobos, who also hick scrammed the Devoter, but they're pulling off of each other right now. Teams that burned in, Wealth Drive Active, started by burning in. Tusker started by actually splitting. The Devoter burned in, everybody else burned back, so this Devoter's a little bit out of position, but going for Lynx first is Wealth Drive Active.

03:28:04 They're trying to take down Lawrence C. Wisdom in this Magus to start off the match. Speaking of local microjump drives, Jason Ozren has jumped past and below the Whelp Drive active team in order to get a very good angle on that Augur of Vega. So Jason Ozren now able to apply damage very, very comfortably. Mirror Chief's still sitting comfortably back, but Dave repositioned, and Lawrence is tanking. Lawrence is...

03:28:33 Und Welp Drive Active hat sich um die Devoter zu gehen, das ist nicht wo diese Teams wollen. Interessant, Scorch Celeste hat sich in ein bisschen geholfen, um die Prophecy Navy zu helfen, die in die Backline, die wir schon erwähnt haben, und das Devoter.

03:28:48 who is currently sitting at about half armor. They are able to take down this auger at the start of the match, so winning the Logitrade is now the XX seems to be the primary. It is now painted, so damage going on top of them. I don't see rep-ups on the XX in terms of effects right now, as the Navy Prophecy has also tackled, but winning the Logitrade is Lazy Piglets, and they've got paints on this Cruise Fire. They're going to take that down as well, and they are starting to snowball the match.

03:29:13 This is huge. Scorch Celeste and the Execur. The Execur is a very maneuverable ship. Teams that are bringing it over the Augur are bringing it because it's able to turn around and get at a dodge. And that's what Scorch Celeste has done. With working class man in the Crucifier no longer in the match, that means that Conan Young and the Mollus is free to damp out the Abaddon, damp out the Navy Prophecy, and take all the damage off of Scorch Celeste.

03:29:38 The rest of the Lazy Piglet's DPS is continuing to work on, it looks like, Napa from DBZ's Prophecy Navy issue.

03:29:45 I'd also like to point out after that MJD play, the Magus of Alexander Shorgen actually went and scrammed the Prophecy Navy issue, so he's in place right now. So even though they were able to leverage that for the Logi trade, the Prophecy Navy can now be kited away because he's not able to hit this Magus really effectively. We see some paints on top of the Magus now, so all the guns are turning on top of it to try to free up this Prophecy Navy. They should be able to take down the Magus, and it looks like this is starting to turn into a clean victory for Lazy Piglets, as even though...

03:30:15 They have all three of their DPS ships. They're just not applying anything right now with no paints remaining from Whelp Drive active.

03:30:23 Ja, mit dem Magus Scram kann es sehr gut sein. Es gibt so wenig Screening in diesem Format, dass es noch einen Schramm an einem Schramm kann sehr wichtig sein können. Aber in order to activate a Warp Scrambler, du musst du zwischen 8,000 und 9,000 Kilometern, depending auf der exakt Warp Scrambler. Und das bedeutet, dass das Magus nicht wirklich take advantage of die Speed, die Maneuverability, die Low SIG, oder was das Magus.

03:30:50 Mitigate damage. So, as soon as Lazy Piglets turns onto Alexander Chorgen, boom, there he goes. Nappa from DBZ, as Chat has mentioned, the power level, not over 9,000. In fact, it is straight to 0. As Welp Drive active, they're just trying to see if they can get any one of these Lazy Piglets members down in order to make this not 100-0 sweep.

03:31:13 I mean, they're just being damped to all smithereens right now by the smallest. Something interesting to note is actually that a voter had mid-slot scrams in addition to the high-slot hick scrams. He was scramming but the Phobos.

03:31:25 und den Abaddon zu sehen, wenn wir die beiden Positionen befinden. Er ist die einzige, um sie zu sehen. Es ist ein guter Job, um sie zu locken. Es ist ein interessantes Pick-up. Wir haben das mit dem Devoter, weil wir nicht so viele Utilitäts-Mids haben, um die Glunt 2-Ship zu sehen. Aber es funktioniert sehr gut für sie. Halten zwei Schippen ist besser als eine Schippe zu halten. Und wir sahen, dass die Phobos und die Devoter haben sich gegenseitigt, die Devoter war, um andere Menschen zu halten.

03:31:54 Nice adaptation for Lazy Piglets. They're known to do this kind of thing in the AT, where they change their fits a little bit from meta to gain advantages where otherwise there wouldn't be any. So really well played to them. They're going to kill this ABBA. It's going to be a 100-0 win for them. And I mean, Lazy Piglets, they won the AT last time around. So nothing unexpected from them in terms of execution. It's really great to see them coming in here.

03:32:22 Maintaining that high level of skill that they'd shown previously. They did ban out the Scorpion comp from Welp Drive Active. Welp Drive Active had some interesting theorycrafting elsewhere in the tournament. We saw them get into this semifinal partly on the back of that Scorpion comp. But now that Lazy Piglets have the ban, we'll see what they're able to do in their next match. This is the best of three. They're not out yet.

03:32:50 We'll see if they're able to bring it back. But for now, we'll go back to the desk.

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03:34:07 Welcome back from that clean sweep victory by the Lazy Piglets. The only thing to really talk about here is we do not have a ton of time, is just how the ships may have affected each setup there. So Hui, let's talk about the Hyperion versus Abba and why that may have favored the Lazy Piglets. Yeah, so in both of the comps, essentially what Alex took was a Pravi, which is like a lot of DPS up front, but like your range isn't that good because they're bad in like...

03:34:36 Ja, das ist wirklich nicht gut. Die Hyperion mit Rails und Triple Mag Stabs hat infinite projection. Und eine der Grunde von Hyperion ist so prevalent in den Meta jetzt ist, dass man die ganze Arena kann. Wenn Centro Arbicruci oder in generell TDs sind, dann hat man infinite range. Und mit der aktuellen Rulset und Bandset, wie es ist,

03:35:04 Just taking Hyperion is the obvious choice, usually. And Emilio, let's talk about the other ships that were kind of on-grid, that were a little different. Let's go Exec vs. Aug, and the Mollus vs. Crucifier, and maybe why one team benefited over another. Yeah, I think there was some pretty poor piloting on both sides here. The Whelp Drive active side didn't bring any C-Bows, so the Crucifier literally had zero value the entire time, and he never went into range to pressure. With a rail hype...

03:35:32 There's really not that much damage being applied to him, especially when he's eating the damps and not the auger. So he could have approached in pretty hard and been able to apply his damps and actually save his auger. And when we were watching the lazy piglets actually try and transmatch on the AB auger, they really weren't even doing that well of a job, but they just slowly grinded it down with all those rep putts on it.

03:35:51 So the main difference here between the EXAC and the AUG is the EXAC was MWD fit, allowing him to kite pretty hard, while the AUG was relying on SIG tanking. And the SIG tanking only goes so far if you don't actually have any Eeyore. So most of this issue is from the Crucifier pilot, as well as the AUGR pilot pulling away instead of pulling in closer so that he could actually reduce damage with the SIG tanking. So it's much harder to reduce damage from SIG tanking when you're far away. Yeah.

03:36:17 Yeah, maybe that case of a pilot thinking, I need to pull away from the damage versus I need to mitigate the damage. And when you're this far in the tournament, you know, hopefully you figured those things out through scrims and practicing and flying those ships over and over again. Hopefully we will see people making some brighter decisions with that in the future. Or maybe he just thought he had a chance to run away, which didn't seem to be the case. But we're going to move on to our next match, which is Evasive Maneuvering versus Rage Sub Cancel Quit.

03:36:45 And the bans are in an evasive maneuvering banning the Raven, Typhoon, and Tholos, and Rage Sab banning the Arbitrator, Sentinel, and Crucifier. Hui, what do you think of all the TD bans, and do you think we're going to see more projection? Yeah, so, I mean, TD bans are the obvious best choice bans in this type of rule set.

03:37:08 Wenn du nur Banns TDs, Octo und Shockto sind beide open und sie sind nur die Apex comms von der Meta. So Rage Sub hat den ganzen Pool geöffnet, und dann Darkseid, oh sorry, Evasive Maneuvering banning Raven, Typhoon und Tholos. Das wahrscheinlich bedeutet, dass sie ein Kind of Scared von Rush oder Kite ist, aber ich könnte sehen, Evasive Maneuvering bringen eine Scorb Comp.

03:37:37 Alright, and you know, Rage Sub has brought a lot of rushes, it seems, early on in this tournament. So Amelia, can you quickly walk through maybe the decision making on, do you think they're banning this because they see Rage Sub bring it, or are they banning it because they want to bring something that is a little bit weaker towards a rush? Yeah, so by banning TDs, you basically allow for more Kite comps, like Kiwi was saying with Octo or Shotgun, and those basically shit on rush pretty freaking hard.

03:38:04 Under this rule set, there's really not that many different archetypes. It's one of the kind of issues with the tournament is that without the drafting that was originally going to be put in place, you lead to very few archetypes that are strong in the meta. And by removing TDs, this even amplifies it even further, where there's only going to be one or two archetypes which are really feasible to bring in the meta. So it simplifies the theorycrafting dramatically for teams, which is why I think some teams might opt for banning out those TDs, because now you're basically going to roll a...

03:38:32 Dice roll here of probably going to be an Octomere, realistically, but might have a drone comp there with SIBOs. And if you have a drone comp with DAMPs, I'm sorry, or ECM, and by bringing DAMPs or ECM, you're basically putting a dice roll on if the other team is going to bring SIBOs and re-SIBOs or not.

03:38:49 Yeah, with that being said, though, we have a few more minutes until our next matches. So this is the first of this best of three. They're going to have to play later today, no matter the result of this match. With that said, Hui, do you have a favorite in this match? Who do you think is going to take this match and or the series?

03:39:08 I mean, Evasive Maneuvering, I think last BO3, they took APOC over Hyperion or Megatron. So, like, I think their Octo Meta is a little behind, which leads me to think that Rage Quit probably has a massive advantage here. And Emilio, do you have a favorite in here and maybe why they might have an advantage over the other team?

03:39:32 Basically, for my boys, I can't let them down. They're going to bring home the dub, no question. These guys have been through the fire of practicing with us for multiple years now with AT. These guys know how to execute. They know how to pull their stuff out, regardless of the theory. And I think the theory is so simple on this type of a tournament that they're going to bring home the W here.

03:39:52 Alright, definitely some not biased opinions here. I'm going to go with RageSub, just because I'm seeing a fun ship, and if they utilize it correctly, they might have an advantage. But with that said, we are going to send it over to the arena to get an early start on this match.

03:40:13 Hello, and welcome back to the Arena for the first match of Rage Quit Cancel Sub versus Evasive Maneuvering. Fear, what have the teams brought? It's another Gunspam Mere matchup, but Evasive Maneuvering picking the APOC, as was predicted on the desk, something that is quite unpopular, but they seem to like it, as well as the Navy Brudix instead of that Navy Prophecy that's more common. Also the Aug versus Zagzak, and they've brought Hyena versus this gang.

03:40:42 Excuse me, versus his carries. Yeah, I don't love the hyena into carries. This feels like... So we've seen so many rushes from Ragequit. An evasive maneuvering. They banned the Raven. They banned the Typhoon. They banned the Tholos. Three amazing rush ships. This feels like they got scared that Ragequit still had a rush in the tank. Because...

03:41:06 This Hyena, it would be great if Ragequit intended to just run in there, get on top of your ships, etc. Two bonus webs, very helpful. It is not going to help against the damps. Nicholas Kion in the carries, especially with this 90 degree warp, is going to have a very good time just getting some damps on, turning away. We better hope that Melinda has got Nicholas Kion all but pre-locked in this tournament.

03:41:33 Ja, diese Maguses haben die extra mid-slot über die Ponte, so wir werden sehen, dass wir hier auch ein Recibos werden können. Vielleicht auf das Hyäna haben wir, weil es nicht auf die Fancy UI gibt, auf die Fancy UI. Aber die andere Sache über die Hyäna ist, dass wenn Dams sind, ich denke, es ist eigentlich ein sehr guter Chip, in diesen Kinds, in generell für die Entwicklung der Gunspam.

03:42:00 Right, we saw how effective it was in the last AT. A lot of teams did bring the Hyena, but it's also 10v10, so you were able to bring other warships in your low end.

03:42:08 So, this time around, it'll be the Hyena versus the Carries. The Carries is probably going to start out by damping whatever ships start to get close, and then swap onto that Hyena as it tries to screen. Immediately, though, the damage is going onto this Augur of Mystery Caps, and the Paints are going onto the Carries right now from that Hyena. Bonus Paints do mean that a Carries is a lot of Segbloom, but the Paints fall off. The Scram lands onto this Hyena, actually, from the Devoter, as the Devoter is currently webbed by that Hyena.

03:42:35 Ja, both teams trying to get rid of the Ewar Frigs, but Niklas Klein in the carry is able to kite backwards, run away. Mr. Keps in the Augur, not able, you know, trying to run away a little bit. But one of the tough things about these Gunspam Mirrors is you really can't run away too far in the Logite. Like, you have so much projection on both sides. It's kind of up to you to decide where you're going to go. So Mr. Keps, with no damps on the evasive maneuvering side, there's nothing preventing.

03:43:05 Das sagt, er ist sehr gut tanken. Ich sage das, vielleicht ist er noch nicht auszupassen, aber er hat sich größer und größer.

03:43:18 Yeah, it doesn't look like they've got repbots on top of them either. We don't see any of those repbot effects showing up on the fancy UI. So the Augur goes down as well as this carries. So the trade, Laji for Ewur Frigates, not even in terms of points. However, that carries going down is pretty massive for the evasive maneuvering side as it enables them to actually hit the targets that they want to hit. And they have Tackle on both this Devoter and the Exec right now with the Hyena. Yeah, but that Hyena is taking big damage from...

03:43:47 From the rage quit side. And that makes sense. Evasive maneuvering. They needed to kill the carries to win. Rage sub cancel quit. They need to kill this hyena. To stay ahead. Well the exec actually has a self rep on it right now. So pretty massive self rep indeed. The hyena goes down. The exec no longer tackled. There are some unbonus paints on top of them right now. Probably from that magus.

03:44:12 As the exec finally falls, we're even in terms of points right now, but in terms of the defense bar, you can see it's much, much bigger for Rage Sub Cancel Quit, as they are chewing through this Navy Brudix right now, who has some rep bots on top of them, but otherwise is taking a lot of damage.

03:44:31 Both the Hyperion and the Apocalypse are able to project a fairly high amount of damage out to a fairly long range. The Apocalypse long range might be part of why Evasive is favoring it over the Abaddon. But the Hyperion is just about as good, so both ships fall. And now we've got a Hyperion Apocalypse. Hyperion versus Apocalypse, Devoter versus Prof Navy, and Magus on Magus Violence.

03:44:59 This is coming down to the wire.

03:45:03 It is. I think right now target selection is pretty important. We see the side of Reach, Sub, Cancel, Quit going onto this APOC first and foremost. We still see some rep effects onto that Devoter right now, so we haven't seen any of the Wajibots swap over if the Devoter has any. This APOC is actually relatively squishy compared to the other Ammar battleship. It doesn't have that same resistance bonus that the Abaddon does. It trades it for the projection, though. As we see, finally, some rep bots landing onto this APOC, but I think it's going to be a little bit too little too late.

03:45:32 He's sitting 94% structure, is now starting to bleed even lower and lower, 82% now. And trading for the Prophecy Navy isn't what you want. He's able to get another Ansel rep off, but I think this might just be game as Pandy now already 56% structure remaining, repping that shield as hard as they can. This Prophecy Navy not going down nearly as fast as this APOC, now sitting 47%, 37% structure remaining, gets one more Ansel rep off, but I think this should be it. 28% structure.

03:46:02 I really don't blame...

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03:46:48 With that, the Apocalypse wasn't able to hold up as long as Captain Shankin did. And Fafiwafi also going down. Fafiwafi probably also going to go down before Captain Shankin. There he goes. Captain Shankin hanging on in low armor. Only the magus remaining for evasive maneuvering.

03:47:07 GFs in Local, and that's the thing, right? It gets a raw armor HP bonus. So Buffer Prophecy Navies have just a lot. They can approach Battleship HP with the right settings. So really, you're stuck between a rock and a hard place with your target priority. I think this Navy Broodix in place of the Navy Prophecy is a little bit interesting just because the Navy Prophecy is so much tankier. I think in terms of the raw damage per tankiness calculation, I think the Navy Prophecy just outclasses it at the moment.

03:47:36 But with that, we're going to send it to a quick break, and then the desk will break that down. We'll be right back after this.

03:48:05 Bis zum nächsten Mal.

03:48:41 Welcome back from that exciting match where things seemed to be going pretty evenly at the start, and then it kind of just snowballed away. We're going to try something a little new today, and we're going to see how this goes. We're actually going to re-watch that match a little bit with our analysts, and break down some of the things we saw in that match, maybe some ship decisions, some piloting mistakes we saw, some great plays we saw, and really deep dive into that match.

03:49:34 We know how to do here. Muterator really stepping in. And we're going to look into how we could get this fixed, as this is the first time we are doing this. And it hopefully will be as awesome as we make you wait for it. But quickly, before we do go over to that, Kui, you mentioned the APOC before we did go into that match. Can you break down maybe why that APOC pick wasn't so great?

03:50:03 Ja, ich meine, wie ich gesagt habe, APOC ist ein bisschen mehr projection als die Abaddon, aber die Problem mit APOC ist, dass es nicht mehr projection ist als Hyperion oder Megatron mit Large Rails. Und wie wir sehen, dass die APOC einfach komplett ausclassiert ist, in most, wenn nicht all, Ranges, unless du in Konflakt Multifreak range hast. Und APOC itself also hat eine massive Masse issue, wo Fitting ist wirklich tight, so you're not gonna have a lot of...

03:50:31 Room for tank, right? Especially when they're trying to min-max your damage. Yeah, and they really kind of showed in that match. You brought it up briefly beforehand. The Hyperion really kind of coming through and showing that it's done great the last two matches. And, you know, might be the better pick here. But we have fixed our technical issues, thankfully, and are going to send it over to that VOD review now.

03:50:53 Ja, so Amelia, I mean, just to, like, go a little bit through, like, stuff before the match even started, like, looking at their comp, invasive maneuvering, bringing a Hyena with open carries, like, what do you think about that, Amelia? Yeah, so I think their only reason you would bring a Hyena here is if you're expecting a rush team, which, you know, Rage Sub has brought quite a few times, and Hyena is the hard counter to that, so...

03:51:16 We really need to try and find some value out of this ship. Unfortunately, when we were looking through the match, the evasive maneuvering team didn't bring any local SIBOs or RSBs that we saw. So they were really struggling against those carries. So they need to play hyper-aggressive, basically, to try and tackle this exec down as soon as possible. So they have two real tackle ships here, this Magus and this Hyena, that if they can get on that exec with the long-range projection that the APOC provides, sure, it's not the best damage, but...

03:51:41 They have a tracking bonus and a range bonus, meaning that they could be grinding this exec down the whole time. So that's their main wind conditioning on evasive maneuvering. While Rage Sub Cancel Quit needs to play a little bit more defensive to ensure that the tackle doesn't land on their exec A, and B, that they control the damage with the damps on the Navy Brudix and the Apocalypse whenever possible.

03:52:02 Do you think you need an APOC, though, like, when you have a Hyena? Like, what's the point of tracking bonus when you already have a Hyena, right? And, like, if you just transmatch, like, shouldn't just Rails just be better?

03:52:12 Yeah, I definitely agree. I think Hyperion would have been better a little bit here, especially when you look into the late game. The match kind of looked a little bit close, but when you're realizing you're facing an APOC against a Hyperion into the late game, the hype's going to win every time. And you mentioned even in conflag range, I think the hype still does more damage than the APOC, because the APOC actually doesn't have a damage bonus on lasers at all. It only has application and range bonuses. So even when you compare conflag to, say, antimatter from a rail Hyperion, the Hyperion should be doing more damage.

03:52:40 Es ist also sehr common across the board, mit all long-range oder short-range weapons. Es ist kind of absurd, dass CCP-Stahl nicht addresset das Thema. Aber long-range guns sind immer stärker in all forms, ob es Tournament Play, TQ, Small-Scale, Large-Scale. Sie dominieren die Field, compared zu Short-Range Weapons. Ja, wir starten die Machen und sehen was passiert. Chad, hopp in any time you want. Ja.

03:53:06 I do think they did have like one Arcebo, but they did have to move in. And that Hyena, you know, maybe getting swapped out for like a vengeance or something for tackle. You don't really need the tackle here because you have the bonus, you know, tracking from the APOC, range from the APOC and the Brudix. So it just seems like an odd pairing to pair an application ship with a cop that already does major application. I think like one of the first issues is right here, like right here. So you notice the Hyena is like kind of getting a little too close and then he gets scrammed.

03:53:35 Ja, das ist, ich weiß nicht.

03:53:56 Something happened here that shouldn't have. If this Hyena is able to get around this Devoter and dive into their back line on either the Exec or the Carries, this is a very different match. Because instead of the Carries having to put damps onto the Hyena to control it, he's able to just damp out damage for free. And there's, you know, I didn't see any RSBs coming out of the Magus here, so they didn't really have any counters to it.

03:54:15 Ja, ich meine, die Prof vielleicht MGD'd off, aber du spendst eine Minute für die Hyäna zu schrauben. Das ist verrückt. Das ist illegal. Wie soll man das schrauben? Du schraubst, richtig? Du schraubst, richtig? Du schraubst, richtig? Du schraubst, richtig? Du schraubst, richtig? Du schraubst, richtig? Ja, du schraubst, und du schraubst für die Exek, richtig? Ich denke, für Evasive Maneuver, ich weiß nicht, warum du schraubst für die Exekst?

03:54:42 100%. Apoc could be grinding the exec the whole time. The prophecy maybe of the letting go of the hyena is crazy. I don't know what happened there, but they should have held on to that hyena. The fact that he's able to get free and go is crazy. Yeah, Fafi definitely should have held his hyena. I don't know how a hyena gets scrammed and then let go. Multiple mistakes from both sides already. But yeah, hyena's finally chasing down their exec.

03:55:11 So they're webbing the carries now. Okay, nice. Would you get off that though?

03:55:19 Ja, das ist sehr interessant.

03:55:48 Der Auger hier ist MWD vs. der vorherige Match, wo der Auger war Afterburner war, und da sind keine Reppbots auf dem Auger. Der Auger hat keine Sustainability. Er ist nicht mehr mitzunehmen. Der einzige, die er hat, ist Kontrollen in terms of Range. Aber weil diese sind Long-Range Railgun-Ships mit Hyperion oder Beams in der Prophecy Navy, wird nicht mehr ausrangeren. Ihr wird einfach nur die hier. Ja, ich denke...

03:56:13 Another question is, how is the carries getting caught here, right? By Hyena, of all things. Why are you not just pulling back more, right? In what universe? It should take a lot longer for Hyena to get double webs on XZ carries, right? But the carries is way too close there, and he just gets snapped for no reason, right? I think that's also another huge mistake. And maybe, do you think they're over-indexing dams on the British Navy Devo and letting the APOC shoot still, potentially?

03:56:41 I think controlling the Navy Brudix might be, but I think the reason the Carries died here was that either, I'm not sure which one it is, the Navy Brudix or Devoter was actually able to shoot onto the Carries here. I think it's the Navy Brudix because he's getting a little bit close. I think if the Carries was doing a little bit of better piloting, he would have focused his damps onto the B&I to help reduce that damage. Yeah, but now you lose Carries. I mean, you do Carries for Logitech, but losing Logitech is already way too big. You're already down so much tempo.

03:57:08 I think there's still DPS drones on the Hyena. At this point, the Hyena doesn't matter, right? Who cares? Oh, what's happening here? Oh, hold up, hold up, hold up. Something happened. Alright, let me refresh this, guys. Don't worry.

03:57:28 Technical difficulties always happen. Oh, yeah. So we're back at it. We're back at it. So, yeah. So, like, the Hyena is still dying here. Yeah, so to your point, like, the Hyena doesn't have any value really here. Like, your Egg Deck is whatever. You should be focusing damage at this point. Because at the end of the day, what you're going to have here is an EHP versus EHP battle of the Hyperion Navy Prophecy and Devoter versus APOC Navy Brux and Devoter. And you win that trade on the Rage Sub.

03:57:54 Ja, die Hyena ist nicht nur noch mehr, aber es ist auch tankier als die Battleship von Evasive Maneuverung. So bei Focusing den Damage, die Navy Brudix ist ein guter Target Call hier, aber es sollte sein bevor die Hyena, eigentlich. Ja, Hyena ist nicht mehr hier, weil was es zu tun ist? Du verlierst dein Ex-Sec anyways, right? Es ist einfach zu werden, mit drei Tracking Bonus Ships. So, einfach nur auf DPS, clear DPS. Hyena hat keine Value, right? Ja.

03:58:21 So what do you think, Huey, about these maguses from what we've seen in this meta, not really bringing tackle frequently, mostly TPs or RSPs or things like that? I mean, in an Octo setup, usually you're like two RSPs, one TP. But like, if you're in a Hyperion, right, and you're like using a RailCop, I think you need at least two TPs minimum, which is like usually where you're getting in from like Prof. Navy magus, right? Because they're probably TC, tracking computer, on the Prof. Navy.

03:58:47 Und dann haben Sie einen TP. Und Sie haben infinite range und infinite application. Ein 50MN ist nicht möglich. Ein 50MN Lodge ist nicht möglich. Gegen den Railgun-Ship. Und Sie werden einen MGD auf den Top-2-Ships. So, even wenn ein Lodge ist, wird es nur MGD. Und es ist einfach crazy. Ja, ich agree. Devo needed zu...

03:59:16 Ja, ich glaube, es ist wirklich gut. Aber ja, an dieser Stelle, ich denke, von... Ich denke, die matcher ist bereits over. Daher ist, wenn du Apok versus Hyperion bist, ich weiß nicht, wie du das machst. Hyperion ist einfach besser als Apok. Choosing Apok ist einfach ein horribleer Mist, you know? Ich weiß nicht, was du mit dem Meta-Read hast du Maneuver? Weil, seit Day 1, die Feeders sind, haben wir ein Hyperion-Octo gezeigt.

03:59:45 I guess in their heads, they value APOC, but maybe they can't Transmatch or something. I'm not really sure why you would choose that ship. Let's talk about the Logi change differences a little bit here, because I think that's where it comes into the APOC might have some benefit. It's got ships that are more like the Afterburner, Augur, or things like that. Where do you find the benefit of the Augur versus the Execur? Obviously, the Execur is a little bit faster. Augur is a little bit slower with more reps. Where do you think that the balance approach is for this type of meta?

04:00:14 So aug slash osprey is usually your best in slot logi, right? Best output and stuff like that. But the reason some teams have been opting for execs slash scythe is just a bait, right? The obvious goal of an octo shakta is to kill logi first. And the easiest logi to kill is like osprey og, right? Because you're like 50 mn. Or even if you're 10 mn, you just transfer to kill them. So like...

04:00:40 The next level of thinking is, okay, cool. I'm going to fly a Scythe and an Exic, and I'll go super fast. And I'll just kite around the entire arena, and you just can't hit me. Because in a Scythe, if you're heated, you're going like 4.1 KMS. And the Exic is also really fast. So you're just trying to bait tank against a standard Octave. The problem with that is, your rip outfit is horrible. So you can just get swapped on so easily.

04:01:04 If you're in an exec, holding up a carries is actually pretty difficult, right? Because you just lose a lot of rep output, especially if you don't run rep bots. Also, with the type of meta that we're seeing right now, where all these ships can hit most of the arena, whether it be the APOC, the Hyperion, the Navy Prophecy, just because you can run away doesn't mean you're going to live, right? You're still going to get hit. Yeah, and at that point, you just need to be tanky, right? I was a huge fan of just AUG, because AUG is really tanky, right? Especially like...

04:01:33 Mit dieser Meta ist so straightforward, man kann man einfach spechtank. Man kann man einfach spechtank. Man kann man einfach spechtank. Man kann man einfach spechtank.

04:01:50 With an open Hyena, if you're going to take Rush, you're nuts. Because it's not going to go that well, right? Because Hyena is a hard counter to Rush. Given these types of ban sets, you should honestly just spec tank the entire time. And I don't know, if people aren't doing it, I think that's crazy at this point, right? Because this is top four. Yeah, especially with the Raven and Typhoon, the main missile battleships getting banned out. This really leans you into the turrets. Yeah, just full spec Kin Thurn, right? Or EM Kin Thurn. Especially like...

04:02:18 We saw Evasive Maneuvering bring this exact comp last round, which means you know they're not going to opt for the better ship, so just spec tank better into them and you should just win. It's just pretty straightforward at this point. I think Evasive Maneuvering's big problem is bringing a Hyena with open carries.

04:02:37 Ich weiß nicht, wie du gesagt, der Intention war, oh ja, in der Hyäna, ich werde den Execk nehmen, aber wer weiß? Warum brauchen wir Webse zu tun? Just Transmatch und kill den Execk. Es ist frei. Und wenn der Execk ist, dann hat er Carries so viel mehr. Und wenn du genug Receivers hast, dein Carries kann funktionieren ohne den Enemy-Carries-Damn. Wenn du an Enemy-Carries-Damnstststststststststststststststststststststststststststststststststststststststststststststststststststststststststststststststststststststststststststststststststststststststststststststststststststststststststststststststststststst

04:03:05 Ich weiß, dass Ragequit der DPS ist und es einfach erhöhts die Logitrade. Aber ich weiß nicht, was du mit der Hyena, ehrlich gesagt, hier. Ich weiß, dass Ragequit der DPS ist, aber Carrier ist einfach best in slot hier, besonders mit RB-Senti-Kursi-Band.

04:03:26 Typhoon ban, right? Like, you're not gonna see a rush, except for, like, Gun Rush. Gun Rush sucks. You also can see a Skorp Rush, though, which is also very weird, because, like, the Hyena won't benefit in that, because you don't have any RC bows. Like, if you were expecting a Skorp Rush, and then you brought, like, no RC bows, that's not a good smart thing to do, either. Also, I think they brought the Hyena 4 application, which is, like, against everything you guys are saying, because they only really tend to shoot what the Hyena was webbing for the entire first three minutes of the game.

04:03:54 Du kannst nur mit dem Hyäna schießen, aber du kannst es nur mit dem Hyäna schießen. Aber du, das Transmatch kann nicht sein, mit all deinen Tracking-Schiffen. Und die größte Sache ist, Evasive Maneuvering, von dem intel I've gathered on them, wenn wir Facing-Tholos sind, sie nur banen Tholos. Wenn sie nicht banen Tholos sind, sie wissen, dass sie ihre Scorpion-Tholos sind. Das ist nicht so schlecht, aber...

04:04:21 Wenn du Bann Tholos, Raven, Typhoon hast du nie get rushed. Was rush comp ist da? A Gunrush? Das tut. Du wirst opt in an Octo-Shockdome mirror.

04:04:35 Base your comp on that, you know? Like, I don't know. I really don't know what Evasive Maneuvering are doing. And like, there's a reason now they're down 0-1, right? Like, it's crazy. Well, let's talk about the lower end here. The main difference that we see between these two teams is not only the APOC versus the Hype, but the Carries versus the Hyena, as we were talking about. You know, with all the TD ships that are banned, Rage Sub removed both Crew-C, Arbitrator, and Sentinel. So there's no TD ships left here.

04:05:00 Why would you not opt to bring in Damps? Because the only assumption that's left for Ewar is going to be either Jams or Damps, right? Why do you think Evasive decided to not bring Damps here? Were they expecting a rush from Rage Sub and they didn't think they were going to bring Damps? Why would you expect a rush when you ban Typhoon Raven Tholos, right? The best rush is Missile Rush. They took out Ant with Hyena open, right? Their ban set plus Hyena being open means that you're not going to rush. A rush...

04:05:29 The chance of you rushing is like 1%. It's just crazy. But yeah. You see a Milstrom rush, but on paper, an Octo beats a rush. If you fly it correctly. On paper, you should not lose there. Use something else. Use the Magus' tackle. Use the Devoter to screen things off. If you're worried about rush, there's so many other things you could do other than use a Hyena there. Yeah, exactly. But yeah, I mean, that's about it for the Valter review.

04:05:58 Well, with that breakdown done, we're going to start talking about our next match here that is coming up. It is the second match of the best of three between Welp Drive and Lazy Piglets. And Lazy Piglets won that first match convincingly 100-0 in a projection matchup where they decided to bring a Hype versus an ABBA. And we just saw another match where it was a Hype versus a...

04:06:26 Epoch, Amelia, do you really think that the hype is that much hype to be talking about here on the Dusk? Yeah, so under the rules here, we're only allowed one rep on the Hyperion, so it's not that absurdly strong like you might see on TQ, where they can kind of infinitely rep. Most of these teams, I assume, are going to be bringing these AARs out, which is going to give them quite a bit more tank, but it's not going to have the long-term sustainability that you might see from a TQ ship. The main benefit of the hype here is that...

04:06:54 Es ist able zu hit mit starken Damage zu der gesamten Arena mit einer Tracking-Bonus, das hilft, die die Raillgun-Gun-Issue mit Low-Tracking-Auswahl, sowie eine sehr große Drone-Bey. Wir waren ein bisschen mehr über die Differences we're seeing in Logi. Having a full set of Heavy-Rep-Bots ist extrem wichtig zu keeping our Logi-Alive, die wirklich die Weak-Point we've seen, die Teams have been targeting.

04:07:20 Well, that is a very good point. Here's something else we could talk about. Hui, local MJDs, you brought that up earlier. Like, what's the deal with that? Yeah, so the main problem with Octoshok at the start of the scrim season was how do you beat Rush? Because Rush has insane damage and it's usually unbannable, right? Unless you're dedicating all your bans against Rush.

04:07:45 Und da gibt es so viele Alternativen, aber sie sind einfach nicht so gut. So, wie du beat Rush in den Octoshokdo? Especially, wenn du eine Battleship hast? Well, die Antwort ist, ich werde einfach mal T-Zero gehen. Und was soll ich mit dem T-Zero machen? Du solltest wahrscheinlich die Schlot-3-Ship, die Kruiser, die wahrscheinlich Phobos haben. Okay, haben wir die Phobos haben. Und haben wir die Phobos haben. Die Phobos ist, erst einmal zu tun, und es hat eine Schrein, in der Terme von Hickscram.

04:08:13 So then you're going to have problems there already. And then your Battleship Battlecruiser is already in Narnia, 100 off you. What do you do in Rush against that? You just lose your Logi and you just Octo bottom-ups from there. You kill off Fall Tackle and you just keep jumping around having fun. What is Rush going to do to you?

04:08:33 Yeah, exactly. We've been seeing that a lot today, and it does seem like over the last few days, the teams that are using these Hyperion setups, Harp Navies, Prof Navies, and just jumping away from the fight, you know, positioning better, jumping on a Laji, you know, jumping onto an MJD beacon, and then just MJDing around the arena like crazy has really benefited them. And, you know, I think there's a little bit of a skill difference there on some teams that don't understand how to really utilize their local MJDs and utilize arena MJDs.

04:09:02 But that said, we still have a couple more minutes until we have to throw it over the arena. Amelia, do you think that maybe we're going to see a rematch of the comps we brought before as the bands are kind of similar? Or do you think we're going to start to see something else come out and some mind games approaching? Yeah, so I can definitely think that we'll see a similar comp here out of the Tuskers. But Hyperion has been so strong for them. I could see them bringing that for sure again.

04:09:31 Probably bring it with some damps here with the mollusks or possibly a crucifier and adding in their own RSBs. I'm hoping that we see a little bit more RSBs at a whelp drive here as they really felt that the last round.

04:09:45 Ja, die Bands in, currently, Lazy Piglets banning out the Tholos Scorpion Carrius, which are the same Bands they did in the first match, and then Welp Dry banning the exact same Bands with Typhoon, Gen, Sentinel. But, being a best of three, they get an extra ban for losing their first match, and chose to add the Hyena.

04:10:05 I don't know if they chose this for, you know, some sort of comedy after how much we just talked about it, re-watching that last match, or if they actually had any reason behind it. Hui, would you like to elaborate on these bans a little bit more as well? Yeah, I mean, same bans as last round. So, I mean, my hope is, like, Alex, like, opts not into the Pravi setup with the Abandon and just flies in Octoshakta. However, with the Hyena ban from Alex, it kind of suggests that they are...

04:10:33 Und ich denke, dass der Ravn-Rush ist, der Ravn-Rush ist. Und ich denke, dass der Ravn-Rush ist, dass der Ravn-Rush ist. Und ich denke, dass der Ravn-Rush ist, dass der Ravn-Rush ist, dass der Ravn-Rush ist.

04:10:51 The threat of the Missile Rush also pushes you away from wanting to run the TD-type ships, because now you not only have to bring TDs, but also GDs, which splits your disruption significantly, which even by banning the Hyena basically allows them to be stronger, even if they don't bring the Rush, right? The threat of the Rush can impact Tusker's team dramatically.

04:11:11 Yeah, I was going to actually ask you about that. What is your opinion on the, you know, banning the Hyena just as a, you know, threatening a rush and maybe the mind game aspect behind that and how much that might actually affect the decision making from a group like the Tuskers? Yeah, so I think it depends a lot on the teams. Different teams have different mindsets about wanting to leave the pool as wide open as possible versus leaving it very narrow where you think you know what the strongest comp in that.

04:11:36 Aber Sie haben die Möglichkeit, eine Hard-Counter, die durch Speck-Tanking oder eine Hard-Counter, in der eigentliche Comp. Was wir sehen von Tuskers' Team ist, dass sie die Pool lieben, wie möglich, und bringen, was sie die Strongest-Comp in das Pool ist. Das bleibt die Option für Alex mit Welp-Drive, um die Hard-Counter zu bringen.

04:11:58 Ja, eine interessante Sache über die Charity Cup rule set ist, ist, dass man nur eine Platte auf eine Battleship betrifft hat.

04:12:27 With Tuskers running three-plate battleships, there's none of that nonsense anymore. Now, past that, you're very limited in the rep stuff, right? Again, one rep and one plate, which means most of the battleships aren't really that tanky. So a lot of times you're just going to opt for max damage, right? And at this point, a battleship might have around the same EHP as a Prof. Navy, for example. And just going a little bit more about that, an interesting thing,

04:12:56 über die Rollset ist, dass man nur zwei Schicks von der gleichen Klasse ist. So, weil das so ist, man kann nur Senti-Sentinel-Crucifier aus dem Schlot 6 und dann kann man Arbitrator aus dem Schlot 6 aus dem Schlot 6 aus dem Schlot 6 aus dem Schlot 6 aus dem Schlot 6 aus dem Schlot 6 aus dem Schlot 6 aus dem Schlot 6 aus dem Schlot 6 aus dem Schlot 6 aus dem Schlot 6 aus dem Schlot 6 aus dem Schlot 6 aus dem Schlot 6 aus dem Schlot 6 aus dem Schlot 6 aus dem Schlot 6 aus dem Schlot 6 aus dem Schlot 6 aus dem Schlot 6 aus dem Schlot 6 aus dem Schlot 6 aus dem Schlot 6 aus dem Schlot 6 aus dem Schlot 6 aus dem Schlot 6 aus dem Schlot 6 aus dem Schlot 6 aus dem Schlot 6 aus dem Schlot 6 aus dem Schlot 6 aus dem Schlot 6 aus dem Schlot 6 aus dem Schlot 6 aus dem

04:13:18 Ich glaube, die Unterschiede von A.T. ist, dass du nur ein bestimmtes Schiff hast, und die Schiff hast. Und du musst, wie ein Battleship, ein Battlecruiser, ein Kruiser, ein Lodgy, ein Destroyer, und dann ein Frigate. So, es wirklich limits was du kannst. Es kann wirklich benötigt neue Captains und neue Spieler, die wollen, wie sie in der Tournament.

04:13:48 Aber das bad ist, dass die Meta wirklich nicht so diverse ist. Und an einem Moment, du bist in zwei oder drei Kompf. Ich habe gesagt, OctoShock, das ist dein Apex. Und du musst einfach run it every time.

04:14:02 Ja, ich will sagen, mit der ruleset, wie es ist, mit den Slot layouts und all das, man kann eigentlich ban out all TD-Ships, all Damp-Ships. So, wenn man etwas ein bisschen weakert hat, wie Rush per se, man kann, für den meisten Part, all good Rushes.

04:14:20 And all TDs and all Dampson 4-Summon. If they wanted to bring that, it would have to be an extremely weak version of that comp. Which really gives the other team an advantage. Or really allows you to mitigate having to deal with a certain thing. Bring the thing you're comfortable with without its hard counter on the other end. And then just execute. That's another thing we've seen. The amount of comps we've seen. It's about execution. And teams executing and not executing.

04:14:47 Especially in these mirror matchups with projection. With that said, though, we are only a few minutes away from moving over to our next match. You know, we got about 10 minutes to go. So, do we think that the rush is actually worth bringing? Like, early on in the tournament, there was a lot of discussion about rushes just not being good.

04:15:12 In the AT, there's a lot of discussions about if your cop can't beat a rush, you should not bring it. Amelia, do you think that the rush is a good surprise to pull here against the Tuskers?

04:15:25 I think it's a little bit too broadcasted with the Hyena ban here. And I think that the Tuskers team is going to index a little bit too heavily into making sure they can beat that Rush team. So I think by banning the Hyena, they should be bringing something else besides Rush.

04:15:43 Okay, so more of a bait ban. Hui, do you think that the Hyena ban is, like we watched last match, it didn't perform really well. You said it seemed like more piloting error. Do you think maybe something like a vengeance to screen off a rush, you know, that's a very hardship to kill, or really leaning more into like scrams and hick points is a better option to counter the rush or the MJDs than the Hyena ban itself?

04:16:11 Ja, ich meine, ich fühle mich Tester zu einfach an Octo wieder und sicherlich haben MJDs in den Battleship und Battlecruisern. Und du bist wahrscheinlich sehr heavily favoriert in Rush. Rush hat ein paar Counter-Player in den MJD-Tec, aber wir werden sehen, ob Welt-Drive-Active will eigentlich machen.

04:16:38 tech to specifically counter against an Octoshokto that jumps T0. Yeah, it kind of comes back to what you were saying, Chad, about execution in terms of like this type of rule set really limits the number of archetypes available to two, maybe three archetypes, especially without a draft format associated with it. And that really leaves it to being somewhat rock, paper, scissors in what they're going to bring.

04:17:02 Yeah, that's where it's an interesting, you know, thing is maybe the Welp Drive Active Team really does think they need to rush here because they just got out-executed by Lazy Piglets the last match. There's nothing you could say there. So maybe they aren't, you know, trying to bring another mirror match. I feel like Tuskers is extremely comfortable in their Octo format with the Hyperion.

04:17:25 And maybe, you know, Wealth Tribe Active just knows we can't straight up beat this team in execution. We need to somehow bring something different. And with, you know, some of these bans, maybe they are leaning towards Rush. It just seems like it's a little too telegraphed right here. What are your thoughts on that, Amelia?

04:17:43 You know, I'm not so sure about that. I think it could go either way. I really think it's going to come down in terms of how these teams decide to execute at the end of the day and who's going to be able to bring the correct read on the enemy comp. I think what's really going to come down to it here is the damps versus TDs and how much teams are affected to the RSBs. I really doubt that we're going to see a rush here, but I could be wrong. What do you think, Huey?

04:18:12 Ich denke, es wird Russ vs. Oktober. Wenn Alex's team spielt es richtig, und der Hyperion jumps 2-0, und du folgst den jumpst, ich denke, Russ hat eine gute Chance. Aber Alex ist zurück in die Korne und Routdown 0-1. Es ist tough. Es ist weird, denn ich expecte Russ ein bisschen, und ich weiß nicht, ob es die richtige Chance ist.

04:18:34 Because I do think Tuskers just uses the local MJDs, gets away. I don't think Rush is the greatest move. I just think that Welp Drive is thinking, we can't out-execute this team. We need to do something different. So we'll see if that difference is something they can do, as Tuskers has kind of proven themselves over the last few years, winning the last AT, and also winning the last Captain's Cup that we played in, and just going on a tear.

04:19:02 Any other predictions going into this way that you might think we will see? Let's go, Alex! Come on, WebDrive, you got this!

04:19:13 And what about you, Amelia? Any predictions on who you're rooting for to win this match or what you would like to see? I'm with you. I think they're the underdog and I'm rooting for them. I'm also going to root for Welp Drive purely for the purpose of more matches because more matches is always more fun. With that said, though, teams are starting to land in the arena.

04:19:37 Und wenn Lazy Piglets gewinnt, dann werden sie WELP-DRIVE wiederholfen. So das ist ein must-win match für WELP-DRIVE-ACTIVE. Und mit dem gesagt, wir werden es über die Arena zu senden, für eine Early Breakdown auf dieses Spiel.

04:19:53 As I'm actually hearing that the arena is not ready and we're having even more fun with technical difficulties today as there are a few things that need to be checked. I do see one fun interesting cop here being brought by one team. We will see what the other team brings. I am not going to do any spoilers whatsoever because that would be a very bad thing.

04:20:17 So Huey, what do you think about this Thalos ban and how much it affects the chances of Welp Drive bringing Rush? Yeah, true. Thalos might just dissuade them, but I mean, the biggest thing is Tuskos has been perma-banning Thalos the entire Charity Cup, so it's not an unsurprising ban, right? It's their perma-ban. And their other two bans is usually just kind of a troll ban. Scorpio's a good ban here, but Karras, it's just not really a ban.

04:20:47 How much do you think the Tholos hurts the Rush comp in terms of what do you put in placement of it? Do you look at something more like an ECM ship or something like that? Yeah, the problem with the Tholos is like you have to take the Tholos because if you're in a Rush mirror, the Tholos is what wins you the mirror, right? But in general, like against like an Octo versus Rush, a Shockto versus Rush, the Tholos is a barbecue chicken. It's free. Like a better ship would probably be like a T-33, like a Jackdaw or like a Confessor or something, right? In a Rush.

04:21:15 Ja, die Thulsen sind schon ziemlich schnell. Aber wir werden, warum ich eine Simulated Countdown bekomme?

04:21:35 Das ist hilarious. Mit der technical difficulties, eigentlich ein Team wurde teleported zu der wrongen Arena, so wir versuchen das zu finden. Jetzt sind sie einfach auf ein random Beacon und warten für die Team zu geben. Die Tholos-Band ist interessant, weil die Tholos-Band, die Tholos-Band haben nicht so gut in diesem Tournament gezeigt. Wir sehen uns oder twice, wo ein Pilot wirklich zu benutzen wird. Aber in einem anderen Matches, Teams einfach nur auf es schnell und einfach...

04:22:01 destroy it. And I think the paper numbers of that ship show. If it is not piloted properly, you can't actually utilize what those paper numbers, you know, are showing. Maybe a drag dot is better in that case, you know, utilizing the high damage and all those modes to, you know, properly tackle and do damage on ships while tanking as much as you can. Amelia, if you want to elaborate on that a little bit more, that'd actually be amazing.

04:22:27 Yeah, you know, I'm not sure how I feel about it one way or the other. It's a hard call about what type of ship you're going to bring for that. What I'm really hoping to see is that we're going to have a well-executed fight on both sides, and the rush is not going to be there. Because I think the rush is basically going to be a stat check here, and it's not going to be a rush mirror is my hope, especially with the Thalas band.

04:22:53 Rush Mirror's look without the Thalos being there, Huey. You've had some practice with that, I believe. Yeah, so... Without the Thalos, it's just kind of a toss-up. Like, who could heat more? And, like, who's better at target calling? But it's like, in terms of, like, this current meta, it's just... And, like, the current rule set, it's just way too straightforward, right? Like, you're kind of just orange-ing at that point if you're in a Rush Mirror, and it's really volatile. And, like...

04:23:17 Everyone knows, having volatility in a match is just bad, right? You want to know your matchups really well.

04:23:25 Yes, and as this is getting sorted out, I'd like to actually take a moment to look at our charity has gone over 1,000, which is an amazing thing, 201.8%. Keep donating. I know this means a lot to Jin and a lot of other people, and, you know, he's going to match some of this. And, you know, always donating to a charity is a good thing if you have the extra funds. So let's keep pumping that number up and keep supporting.

04:23:52 All the charities out there that we can donate to this one. If you want to donate to someone on your own time, that is a great thing to do. If you have some extra cash, no pressure, but helping people out is always a good thing. With that said, we finally, I think, have figured out the issue. We can't send it to the arena quite yet, but it seems as the issue has been resolved, so we will be looking at a match in the near future.

04:24:18 Do you guys believe, I know you guys are both rooting for Welp Drive, and I am because I'd like to see more matches, that they can out-execute the Tuskers here? It seemed like they were 100-0, and they made some mistakes in that last match. Do you think they could pull it back? Do you think there's hope? I think both teams made some mistakes there, so I think there's definitely hope that they can out-execute them. I think it's really going to come down to what we see in terms of what they're bringing for their mid-slots there, and if teams are going to opt into the...

04:24:46 uh rsbs versus damps or the uh tds yeah and what's your thoughts on this extra ban and like how it got utilized here it didn't feel like it got utilized in the way a lot of people might have expected yeah i think having an extra ban could be nice but like if you just ban senti arbor cruci you just still have your comp up right like and if you have an extra ban like

04:25:10 Ja, das ist eine Sache.

04:25:30 Pretty near impossible to ban out. There's always a good substitution. There's always something you could slot in to really keep that cop rolling. And you kind of can't ban it out. You just have to know how to deal with it and out-execute it. But the extra ban, you know, it...

04:25:45 It's nice to have. At least they didn't do what we saw last year, where a team banned out three battleships and got their last ban just void out anyways, and it didn't matter at all. So we gave you an extra ban, and you didn't utilize it. At least teams are reading the rules this year and trying their best. But with that said, I finally can send it over to the arena for the start of this match.

04:26:10 Welcome back to the Arena. My name is Tervano, joined by Allie Aris. And on the red side, we have Welp Drive Active, who have brought Hyperion, Gunspam, Octo. Allie, what have the Tuskers brought? The Tuskers have shown up with comp. We have not seen very much this tournament.

04:26:25 Das ist Drone Control. Und das ist es Drone Control, an Arbitrator und ein Crucifier. Das sind im Grunde genommen mit Tracking Disruptors. Der Punkt mit diesem Octo-Projektion Setup ist, dass es ein Setup kann über die ganze Arena gespielt werden. Wir sahen das sehr effektivt in der letzten Match. Das war in der Break. Unfortunately, wenn du Tracking Disruptors bist, kannst du nicht über die ganze Arena gespielt.

04:26:50 So we should be expecting to see Tuskers kite around while Welp Drive Active shoots long-range guns with the range and tracking of short-range guns. Yeah, it's a bit interesting. They banned out the Sentinel, right? Kind of saying that they wanted to do Octo, but unlike a lot of other teams that banned out the Sentinel Crucifier and Arbitrator, they only banned out the Sentinel and Tusker saw that and decided to bring a drone control comp. We have seen variants of this one taken by teams like Genshin Impact Alliance.

04:27:20 who seems to favor this drone control into the Octo setup. We'll see how Tuskers are able to pilot it. They did take some drone carps in last year's AT, so they should be fairly practiced on it. And we see Kiting Back is actually the low end of Wolf Drive Active. As Lazy Piglets, they're going to start to brawl in with this Dominix and its full rack of nudes. Yeah, and you can see the damages starting onto Conan Young and the Crucifier, because those tracking disruptors are going to be absolutely important.

04:27:48 die WELP-DRIVE-Active-Active-team-unable-to-shoot. Das heißt, wenn du auf die Fancy-Ui in der lower-halb des Schraens, kann man sehen die Effekte. Die Mollusse ist die Arbitrator und die Crucifizite. So wir sehen, dass die Fall-Damage, zumindest in Potenzial, bei WELP-DRIVE-Active, weil die Dampen die Opposition von den Schiffen von den Tracking-Distruptern. Ich sage das, aber...

04:28:14 Dampser on the Arbitrator, the Crucifier is able to TD the Hyperion, and looks like all of the ships on Lazy Piglets that are being targeted are surviving so far.

04:28:25 Meanwhile, the Augur currently being painted, getting some reps back. We see the damps go back onto that cruise fire, so the Hyperion is no longer tracking disrupted. A lot of this is on this Mollus to survive and get these damps out and keep these tracking disruptions from landing on the rest of their team. But again, look at this Dominex. He's positioning so far forward, so confidently, and this arbitrator burning in with them alongside the Mermudon Navy issue. They're trying to use these utility high slots that they have as drone comp to control damps.

04:28:54 Und lock down this red side team. It said Conan Jung and the Crucifier went into very low hold there before getting saved by Scorch Select. And unfortunately, Well-Provac wasn't able to send the deal. They've switched onto Lawrence Winston, the Pontifex, who's just absolutely vaporized. That's huge. Those links are going to be making those tracking disruptors from the...

04:29:20 und die Arbitrator werden das viel mehr effektiv machen. Und sie werden die Schipen able zu locken weiter mit den Bonus Info-Linken. Die Dampen wurden nur zweit als effektiv.

04:29:31 Indeed, they did. Working Class Man just absolutely running and tying Tuskers around his finger. Now he's starting to burn in a little bit, just trying to keep these damps on the Arbitrator and the Crucifier. The Crucifier is no longer damped. Now it's tracking disruption of the Hyperion and the Phobos as the Augurer of Scorch Celeste is pretty low armor right now. We don't see any rep bots on him quite yet.

04:29:55 So this is huge. Welp Drive Active, they've killed two of Lazy Piglet's ships. Lazy Piglets have not been able to get any of Welp Drive Active's ships in return. Those drone control comps...

04:30:19 With so many points into their control bar, and I mean points in sort of the metaphorical sense, into the control bar here, they don't have as much room for damage. So Lazy Piglets, they've got control, they've got the newts, they've got the tracking disruption, but they haven't been able to apply that tracking disruption, and they haven't had the damage to actually take things up. Working class man continuing to take small chunks in the mollusk, but Vega is able to keep him up in the execor, and...

04:30:47 The Crucifier goes down. This is huge. Yeah, I think this is just a very, very strong execution and very good mollusk pickup.

04:30:56 from Welp Drive Activate. They lost the Mere matchup to Tuskers without executing them earlier. This time they bring, I think, a better version of the comp, kind of saying, if we can't beat him, join him. We're going to pick this Hyperion as well this time around, and it works out very well for them, and a lot of it is just on the smallest working-class man doing exactly what he needs to do, surviving, living to win, damping out the Arbitrator and the Crucifier. The Arbitrator finally goes down, and there is no control left from the Lazy Piglets here, other than the Newts and...

04:31:26 Tackle Mods that are on this Dominix and Navy Mega. Now we see the Damps on the Dominix, Painps on the Navy Mega. I think this will be 100-0 in favor of Whoop Drive Active when it's all said and done.

04:31:36 Yeah, this is a huge upset. And I think this is really speaking to some mind games going on here. You know, we talked, you were talking when the match first started about how Tusker, you know, only one of the tracking disruption ships are banned. So with only one of the tracking disruption ships banned, Tuskers can show up with more of them. But guess what? Only one of the damp ships is banned. The carries, it's great. But the mollusk, the mollusk is fine.

04:32:02 Ja, Merig went ahead and boundaried there. So Tuskers, they haven't put a GF in Local yet, but they have acknowledged that they are going to go to a Game 3, which we played tomorrow at the start of the day. So you won't want to miss that.

04:32:17 But still, you know, very well played from Welp Drive Active. They've had some tournament success and have kind of been up and coming over the last couple of years. So it's good to see them taking it to Tuskers, who are last year's Alliance Tournament champions. And we'll see how they deal with the adaptations that will be made overnight going into tomorrow and the final day of the tournament.

04:32:40 Ja, Welp Drive Active Showing up here saying, yeah, we can fly the Hyperion Octo. In fact, we can fly it quite well. So that's something that will have to be respected on that final day. Both teams, they've got, it's been a bit of a long day so far today, but they've got the rest of the day off. They can take a break and we will see them tomorrow. It is going to be a fantastic day of matches. With that, we'll send it back to the desk.

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04:34:36 But because of the delay, we're going to jump right into talking about our next match and leave that in the past and hope that Tuskers tomorrow will reevaluate the situation and come back and win. Our next match is Wealth Drive versus Rage Sub. It is the second match of the series with Rage Sub taking the first match. Evasive getting an extra ban and they chose to use it on a Mollus with a Karius Jackdaw.

04:35:00 Well, with all the TD bans and the Mollus Carries ban, that leaves the Celestis as the only protective thing for kiting comps.

04:35:24 Other than that, for E-War we have Jams, which I don't think have seen much use outside of some Scorpion-specific comps. So, well, this is going to be, I assume, some sort of mirror match in that case, with another case of either Octo or Shockto, honestly. And Greybell, welcome to Dusk as well. Do you think there's anything that's going to stand out in a mirror match if Shockto is brought, which is expected to be brought, that might push a team to victory here?

04:35:53 Well, if it comes to a Shock Tour or any kind of mirror match, it will come down to the execution. And in that scenario, the personal experience of the individual pilots makes a lot of difference because you just know by heart eventually when you've played enough what you want to do and what targets you need to primary. That's something we have seen in the past being a very decisive factor if people

04:36:22 um like choose to shoot the tholos over a battleship or something like that um yeah with that said the hyperion being banned we might see some different battleships plugged in here and maybe a different comp because people seem to really love this hyperion but there's only one way for us to find this out teams have landed on grid and we're going to send it over to the arena for our final match of the day

04:36:54 Hello, everyone, and welcome back to the Arena for our final match. We are here to see Evasive Maneuvering and Rage Sub Cancel Quit both try to kite each other out. Fear, how does it look like this is going to go?

04:37:08 Kreuz HML Kite. This is a comp we've seen a couple times this tournament, and they've brought the same control in Celestis and Hyena, both these teams. The only difference is Augponte on one side and Exac Magus on the other. Extra mid slot for that Magus, an extra maneuverability from the Exac for the extra tankiness.

04:37:26 from both that Augur and the Pontifex. We will see how that plays out this time around. Base Maneuvering are down 0-1. Rage Sub cancel quit. If they win this, they're going to go on to the Grand Finals. If they lose, they will have to play another match tomorrow as we are 16 seconds away from match start. What are you looking for before this match starts?

04:37:49 I think the Logi difference is going to be interesting here. Mr. Keps and the Augur, I suspect, is going to have a little bit of a harder time surviving than Melinda. It a little bit depends on Melinda's fit, whether this is a full 50MN Exequer or the so-called 60MN dual prop with a microorb drive and an afterburner for mitigation. But right off the bat, we can see Melinda burning away from the enemy team, likely feared of being primary first while Bame, Adirond, and the Hyena...

04:38:18 ist vor der erste Target für den Evasive Maneuvering.

04:38:46 A being hyena around an arena with missiles without any webs.

04:38:52 Yeah, we've got Bee Mater on taking the image, but Caspidae Hadano in the Celestis is also in serious trouble. And this could be big, because at this point, Rage Subcancel Quit, they're down their Hyena, they can recover from that. They're down their Hyena, and they're down their Celestis, and they're not able to trade this back. This is where we start to see that kind of snowball go on, and this is what you get. The Celestis, they're webbed by the Hyena Bee Mater on. So Hyena difference currently mattering.

04:39:21 Ja, Beam Eideron, winning the Hyena trade, gets that Celestis. The Damp Wars now goes in favor of Skakula Russian, as the Celestis had to kind of move things around. We do see Rates of Cancelquit going for this Augur of Mr. Keps, trying to take him down before the Celestis ends up falling, but they're going to be missing a lot of their control once the Celestis goes down. As I say that, though, there actually isn't a whole lot of DPS going on in the Celestis, and they're kind of damping each other out right now. So Kasper Hidano living to win right now, and he has Logi on.

04:39:50 Even though he doesn't have a Hyena for screen. Yeah, this is huge. With Mr. Kepstown, there's no one to keep Beam Ederon up. So yes, you can't hit the Hyena very well, but it doesn't matter if that HP doesn't get recovered. And we see Beam Ederon going down. This is a big trade.

04:40:07 Kaspe de Hedano ist wahrscheinlich auch noch zu gehen, aber er hat sich nur lange genug für es zu matter. Es ist eben auf beiden Seiten. Mit Skykiller Rush und Celeste still alive, wir sollten Rage Sub wiederholen. Rather than Kiting werden, sie müssen ein bisschen ein Rush gameplay machen.

04:40:24 Yeah, their range is significantly capped by that Celestis, right? They're trying to get some damage on this Fleet Cyclone of Sand Punisher, but he's only painted. No webs, no tackle from either of these teams. So it really is just kind of a battle of paints and a battle of can these...

04:40:39 from Rage Subcancel Quit get in range, with the Celeses just continually damping them out. As we see that, all the damps swap to the Fleet Cyclone. The Typhoon is A-OK right now, but the Exek is taken down, and the damps swap back to the Typhoon. Yeah, Sam Punisher looks like Melinda's going to get traded for Sam Punisher in the Cyclone Fleet Issue, which will leave the...

04:41:01 Which will leave the Ragequit side with a Typhoon, a Cyclone Fleet Issue, and a Magus versus a Typhoon, Celestis, and a Pontifex. And honestly, Fear, I would rather have the two DPS ships in this late time of the game.

04:41:14 I would too, especially because neither of these ships' teams really have brought Tackle. Looks like the Pontifex and Magus are among these teams is full utility mids, no Tackle mids. And there's some neutralization happening to this Magus right now of Debuffy, so he's going to try to stay alive a little bit longer and keep these Links up. As we see damage going on in the Typhoon of Pandy right now, he doesn't have a whole lot of armor actually. Hold up, he's melting pretty quick.

04:41:42 Yeah, both Damasus Kadesh and Tosparat have gotten right up on top of Pandey, and both of them are just absolutely delivering as many missiles as possible directly to Pandey's hull, and that's going to be super effective. Again, Skykiller Rusher, you know, he's there, he's still got the damps, but the damps don't matter if you're 15 kilometers away from your target.

04:42:01 Yeah, I think this is just GG. A good call from RageSubCancelQuit to start brawling in there, even though they lost their Celestis and they had to deal with this other one, right? With no tackle up, if you just overheat your prop mods and have better positioning, better maneuvering around the arena, you will eventually get on top of your targets with no screen, no tackle on either of these teams. GF's already in local. RageSubCancelQuit are going to go on to the Grand Finals. They should be pretty happy about that. They're going to...

04:42:29 The winner of the Lazy Piglets versus Welp Drive Active, which will be the first match that we get tomorrow for elimination and to see who goes into the Grand Finals. Evasive Maneuvering, though, they still got to play tomorrow as there is going to be a third place match between them and the loser of Welp Drive and Lazy Piglets. So they will try to get as many prizes as they can tomorrow as we see the Fleet Cyclone end up going down and now it's just the Pontifex, or I should say Celestis, excuse me.

04:42:58 So, well played by Rachel Kanzliquip, making it to Grand Finals. Yeah, they've done a very good job. That was very clean piloting. I do think that Magus versus Pontifex difference might have mattered there. The Magus, giving those extra links, giving that extra speed could really help. With that, we've got the very last spaceship explosion of the day, so we'll send you to a short break and back to the desk.

04:44:12 Ich habe F***ing Lader, Galente und Hermann, und ich habe einen extra Slot! Ich habe F***ing 6 Mids!

04:44:32 Welcome back from the final match of the day, where we see RageQuit cancel sub, or should I say RageSub cancel quit, make their way into the finals tomorrow, securing their seat with a 2-0 victory in their little best of three there. A mirror match had arrived on grid, maybe not one that was predicted, but one did show up. Q, can you talk about how maybe target calling made a difference in that mirror match?

04:45:01 Yes, I do believe the biggest difference is that Evasive brought a Rapid Heavy Typhoon, while Ragequit's Typhoon was Cruise Missile Typhoon, which influenced the target calling. Evasive focused on the Hyena first at the start of the match, and the Hyena died quite quickly due to the excellent application of the Rapid Heavies, but the Rapid Heavy Typhoon ran out of clip and couldn't finish off the Celestis in time. On the other side, Ragequit primaried the...

04:45:31 und durch die Kruisers nicht mehr als oft oder als lange, die Kruisers endlich died, leaving Evasive without Lodgy, die der Rest des Matches war, in meiner Meinung.

04:45:45 Yes, and Greybill, maybe you could run us through a little bit. When you come into a kite-v-kite mirror match, both teams are very fast. Teams can get on top of each other in brawl and kite setups, which tend to have less HP. And also, those dips, you know, maybe not being as useful, depending on how teams played that. Can you give me a little walkthrough on how maybe that played out in that match?

04:46:09 Well, we saw the Damp War being very quick at the start. I believe Skalkirrushin on the Evasive Meruving side, losing that Damp War, and that of course puts you in advantage, put Rage Stop Cancel Quit on initial advantage. But still, Evasive Meruving's Hyena managed to get in, because obviously he wasn't damped due to the Damp War.

04:46:38 Und ja, get his maps on. But still, it didn't matter at the end due to Rage Stop keeping the cool and executing the plan. It was a very close match right till the end. And it's super interesting to watch. And very... How do I put it?

04:47:06 Das war ein tolles Spiel, aber wir enden damit.

04:47:14 Yeah, I gotta say, I thought there was only really two things to go over after that match. Cruises in an Armor Foon, you really could utilize those mids to make sure you're applying. With that application bonus, you could hit the entire arena. Versus the Rapid Heavies, you're not necessarily utilizing all the bonuses of the ship. And you have to deal with that extremely annoying clip time. So as we saw in that match, sadly, the Celestis did not die purely because the Typhoon clipped.

04:47:42 Versus Cruzes, just sat there shooting in the Lodgie, knew it was going to break the Lodgie, it didn't have to deal with clips, and it really just propelled a victory there. That said, though, that was the final match of the day, so I'm going to thank all of you for coming, all of you people who have helped us with the production of this, all of the casters, commentators, analysts, hosts, and people working in the background, as well as you, Twitch Chat, because without this...

04:48:09 People would not care one bit. I also want to highlight the charity one last time, as we did get a wonderful boost last time I mentioned it, so hopefully we can get another little boost to those donations. This is a charity that is helping with end-of-life care and supporting families through those hard times.

04:48:31 Bis zum nächsten Mal, wir werden hier morgen zum nächsten Mal für die Best-of-Three zwischen Welp Drive und Lazy Piglets, die wir entscheiden, und die 3-4-Place-Match gegen Evasive Maneuvering.

04:48:58 Those will be going on tomorrow. It is the final day of the stream where you can watch a best of five final. Hopefully we get all the amazing matches in because that's what we're all here to see. And that will be kicking off around 16.55. With that said though, we're going to raid off into somebody else. So please stick around and give them your support. And I am Chad Flame here with Q and Graybill and we are ending the stream off now. Thank you for coming.