[EN] DevBlog and Research Bureau Round 2!
World of Warships: Sturmbedingte Unterbrechung, Spielmechaniken und Community-Wünsche
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Der Stream setzte die Tiering-Liste der Research Bureau Schiffe fort und analysierte deren Kampfeffektivität. Es gab Einblicke in Balance-Anpassungen, Zerstörungseffekte und Gameplay-Diskussionen. Die Moderatoren äußerten sich zu Community-Wünschen nach Kollaborationen und teilten Reiseerlebnisse. Der DevBlog kündigte frühe Zugänge zu amerikanischen Zerstörern und Grafik-Updates an.
World of Warships
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00:07:48 We had like an hour plus of a stream
Sturmbedingte Streamunterbrechung und Diskussion über Spielmechaniken
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00:08:18 um right into yeah austin texas's eyeballs i think i was in the middle of saying tornado and then the stream just ended yes there was no tornado at least in our section however there was extremely high winds uh rain hail lightning lots of it so yeah it was pretty serious it was very very serious i had to hold up in the office for like uh about 30 40 minutes before it blew over yeah it was it was intense and quick kind of blew through
00:08:47 Hey, many of the best things in life are intense and quick. So, just, you know, before we start judging the storm, let's just keep that in mind. However, it did knock out power to our office, which meant the stream went down and Gaishu and I looked at each other and we were like, uh-uh. We're not starting this shit back up again. We're going to wait for a break in the storm before it gets dark and we're going to go home. Get out of here. Get the hell out of here.
00:09:15 But sadly, that meant that we had to... I mean, we only got through half the Research Bureau stuff, didn't we? It's true. There was still much to do. Okay, this is interesting. Unfortunately, I do not outspot either of those destroyers. Yeah. Not much for me to do on the cab.
00:09:44 Oh, please don't explode me. Cool. Didn't get exploded. That's good. I almost got dubstruck by the Alsace. Yeah, right. Anyway, sorry. We're both playing some ships that are going to require a fair amount of attention to begin with here. So forgive us if we're not fully... What do you mean? You're not just AFK farming out of smoke? I mean, I guess I could. I hear that's what the pros do.
00:10:12 It's been a little while since I've played one of the Elving line ships. Very satisfying about the laser dispersion AP. Huzzah! Yes, there really is. I feel like the better you get at this game over time, the more you value accuracy. Because that means that as you get better at knowing where to place your shots and whatnot, the more you are rewarded for your skill.
00:10:40 Wenn der Schiff ist accurate. Wenn der Schiff ist nicht accurate, kann man sagen, ich weiß, ich weiß, ich bin ein Pro. Und es kann nicht sein, weil deine Schiff sind walleye. Ich meine, es ist nice zu fühlen, wenn du den richtigen Weg bist. Ja, es ist nice zu fühlen, wenn du gut bist, wenn du gut bist. Du sollst nicht tun, wenn du gut bist. Es ist ein rule in movies, nicht zu tun, wenn du die audience für dich bist. Unless, ich glaube, das ist die ganze Sache.
00:11:09 So, how are you all doing? Hope your homes are all still standing after Austin, Texas had a... I assume that everything that happens here affects all the rest of you, so...
00:11:22 Anyway, lol. Last time we were here, we were doing a tiering list of the Research Bureau ships. First, just as we did with Steel, first we were going through a list of the best performing Research Bureau ships. Then, we were going to get to the most fun Research Bureau ships. However, somebody dropped a house. Somebody dropped a house on us, and we had to follow the Yellow Brick Road back to today.
00:11:50 Oh, we did get there. We did get there. Yeah, so we'll finish that up today. We'll show you guys where we left off. And then we will continue. Does the Viasma have radar like the Borodino? No, it does not. Okay, nice. But it does have battleship guns, right? It does. It has big old battleship guns. I'm not a fan of that. I think this flank is thoroughly lost. Okay.
00:12:14 Not really much I can do about a Salem or the Z46 even. A bow on Salem? Yeah. Not the best target for an AP destroyer. No indeed. We have a lot of ships in the middle of the map. Yeah we do. I'm one of them. That's cool. Camping out on the island.
00:12:42 Happa fodder's in the house. I see somebody saying that. I haven't seen him in chat yet, but I must have missed him. If Happa's there, hello Happa. Hope you managed to do okay during that wild, wild storm.
00:13:03 Oh, the Z46 is chasing me pretty hard. Yikes. Help Boggy. I don't think you can do anything. I went to the center like a filthy something. It's all good. I think we're just going to rush this Viasma and it's going to be great. Oh wow, he's Hydroing me. He's very close. Spooky.
00:13:27 Oh, this is totally going to be great. Remember when the Experimental Ship Viesma starts with less HP, but it's really good? That's not good if you die super quick. If you just don't have HP. I can't believe the guy didn't just get wrecked by that Ohio for that. Oh, he's literally getting his first heal off. And nope. Nope. That's a shame.
00:14:02 he's running at me oh damn it oh my god novosibirsk got one one incredible shot off well done novosibirsk i'm very impressed i think i am losing this fight
00:14:32 I'm sorry, I should be there to help you. I'm a bad boggy. What can I say? Bad boggy. Bad boggy. Just the worst. Almost. Oh no, Gaisu! No! Yeah, I didn't have my guns turned. I forgot that Schultz has two in the front and one facing backwards as opposed to Elving having the two in the back. Giggity.
00:14:58 Novosibirsk doesn't have any torpedoes, does it? Nope. Okay. It's been a while since I've played Novosibirsk. Is there a Novosibirsk in the match? Well, there was. Oh yeah, it's done. Yep, Super Petro. No Torps, just big guns.
00:15:24 Damn, who deleted it? Is that the Ohio? Uh, our Ohio is a gangster. And he's just like running it down. I'm pretty impressed. Cannot hear you, Boggy. Has turned the volume down on his shirt? Oh.
00:15:42 He got me. Well done. Some memes never die. Wait, am I about to get sandwiched? Oh dear. No, the blooper has stopped. I was hoping some physics shenanigans would happen. I was going to be excited. I remember back in the days of Cleveres and Clan Battles, I was riding the border as one does with the Clever. As one does. With one of my Clanmates. And we were colliding on the border and my ship slid right under his.
00:16:11 Oh, yeah? It's like right under and just pop back up on the other side. We can do some funky physics stuff with the border. It's very fun. Chat loves funky border physics. Don't you, Chat? No lie.
00:16:27 Man, our Ohio has just been smashing everything. Just refuses to die, too. Look at that. Okay, guys, I think something amazing is going to happen. I think I'm going to rush this incomparable. The game's over, for the most part, so I think I'm going to do something absolutely heroic. Think it's going to one-shot you? Yes. How many torps do you have? Enough. Is it enough? I think so. I'm not sure if it is. Oh, he missed. He did miss, didn't he? Wow.
00:16:57 Die Z-46 ist da, so... Die Z-46 ist schon ziemlich low, wenn man Hydro ist, vielleicht. Oh, du hast genug Torps. Es gibt einige, tatsächlich. Kann ich dodge das Torp? Oh, close. Nice.
00:17:25 Did I get overpens on your bow? Yeah, I think so. He's healing. Switching to AP.
00:17:35 Oh, no, he's torping me. He's torping me. I take two. You're so dead. I think I'm just dead. Yeah, you're so dead. I didn't even switch my sides to drop the other set. I should have. I thought the first set was going to kill him, so I started turning. I could have done something epic there. Yeah, he lived on what, like 4K there? Yeah, yeah, he was... I thought my guns were going to kill him after I... I hit him with three torps, and I was like, surely that will be enough, but... Not quite, not quite enough. But that was pretty fun, actually. I'm sorry that it was rough on you on your side.
00:18:04 We were talking about this before the match that if I still made content on my own channel and I was making YouTube videos, if I ever had a video where I said the name Hector, I would compulsively add a quick insert of Brad Pitt from Troy being like, HECTOR! That's just funny to me. And really it's about what I like. I think I watched that movie.
00:18:33 4-5 years ago? Not too long ago. How old were you when that movie was released? Little baby, probably. 2000, I think? 2001? Yeah, it would have been a tiny little infant. Tiny little infant Daishu.
00:18:52 And here we are. Here we are sitting next to each other. Bogsy, did wife save the car? Wow, that's a good memory. I was chattering like an idiot last week about how I had to call the wife and tell her to put the car in the garage. But the hail that hit our house was thankfully minor. Small and weak hail? Yeah, it didn't cause any damage, so it was okay. And beat up your car.
00:19:20 A wee baby Geishu. When Brad Pitt was...
00:19:25 When Brad Pitt was telling his men that they are lions, Geishu was like, feed me. Feed me. I was in shit high school. It was like one of the coolest movies ever. You're just like, everyone's so cool. There's a lot of hacking each other apart with swords and spears and bows and arrows. There's a lot of good actors in that. Brian Cox.
00:19:51 Julian Glover. There's a whole bunch of really good old school actors from all the epics, the movie epics. Guys that you're like, I've seen you in Braveheart. You played somebody in Braveheart. I've seen you. So, Bogsy is so old now, he was there when it happened for real. Damn. That's savage. Bogsy's in the Iliad. Bogsy was the guy saying, I don't think you should bring the horse inside yet.
00:20:19 I think the horse is trapped. Don't open the gates. And they were like, it's a gift from the gods, Bugsy. It would be an insult. I really don't think that's a good reason. Kaiju, take out the NC with 11-point commander. That has to wait for the Discord stream. Evan is spamming IamBowart.
00:20:40 Oder ist es ein Wimberwort? Wimberwort? Wimberwort? Wimberwort? Wimberwort? Wimberwort? Wimberwort? Wimberwort?
Community-Interaktionen, Kollaborationswünsche und Reiseerlebnisse
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00:20:54 Yes Beasley, I am old. How about a Battlestar Galactica themed event? Like the Star Trek event. Caracol13, I think that many people in this office in Austin, Texas would be thrilled if we had a Battlestar Galactica event. It would be pretty sweet. As the saying goes with collabs.
00:21:16 First rule of Collab Club is... You do not talk about Collab Club. Second rule of Collab Club is... Got you? We can talk about it? Or is that movie too old for you? Shit. I watched that one during our retro movie night. Oh. Just kidding. Just gotta get out of here. It's a classic. It's a classic. Classic movie night. It's a classic. Back when movies were called talkies.
00:21:46 All right. Anyone else notice that Bogsy now have sleep deficit-induced bags under his eyes? Fatherhood becomes a... This is because I arrived back at the Austin airport at about 3.30 a.m. and was asleep by 5.50 a.m. this morning. Travel's been rough. Lately, I mean, most... I swear, like every other trip I take, delays, cancellations, missed flights, it's rough. Yep.
00:22:14 USS Wasp, Wen. That would be super cool, Turbo Soggy. Okay, I know what Turbo Soggy means, but that actually kind of sounds like a samurai name. Really? Soggy? Turbo Soggy? Yeah. Like IJN Turbo Soggy? It's a stretch. Okay, it's a little bit of a stretch. You're reaching Doggy. I am. Turbo Boggy. Let's see.
00:22:45 legionnaires in chat what the uss wasp what was that a yorktown what kind of wasn't wasp a one-off it might have been i swear wasp was a wasp class i actually can't remember
00:23:06 Yeah, I think she was her own. It was a shortened Yorktown. Okay, that's cool. Wasp was a one-off to use up tonnage. Ooh, that's interesting. I want to hear, like, I'm sure I could find it on DrakonFL's YouTube channel, but I'd love to hear DrakonFL talk about the purposes of what you can get away with when you have something like a shortened Yorktown or, you know. Design compromises, that kind of thing. Yeah, exactly. Those are always kind of cool. Perfect tier 6 USA Premium.
00:23:36 Ja, vielleicht. Oder 6. Vielleicht. Vielleicht.
00:23:45 Odd Wheels collab? Whatever happened to it? Well, sometimes with collabs they... Sometimes they start and we mention it and then something goes wrong and we have to stop. It does happen. Enough. We don't have enough American ships. I agree completely. Well, I have it on good authority that Legionnaire will not rest until all 100-something Fletchers are represented. Legionnaire and Sea Raptor both, yeah. It'd be really funny to watch the two of them argue over which Fletcher should be next.
00:24:15 There's a lot to pick from. It's true. Let's see here. Let's see. I was going to say something. What was I going to say? Oh! Hey! Card game! Have you guys been having a good time playing the card game? Because I've been out for a few days and I haven't had really a chance to do much. But I have heard people talk about they really, really enjoyed the card game in the port.
00:24:42 I haven't actually played it, Mike, because when we tried it on yours, it was on your account. Yeah. I have it progressed a little bit, but not a long way, to be honest. I'd like to try it. I should.
00:24:56 Card game kind of fizzles out. Okay. Well, this is the first one we've done. So I think for sure it wants to be approachable. But it's good to know if it gets... What card game? Bro, in your port right now, there's a tab for Dunkirk 1940. It takes you to a fun, like, kind of an auto-battler card game that we installed in the port. Which I think is super cool. I like card games, and I like auto-battler card games too. Like Hearthstone, or other dorky things like that. So...
00:25:24 The fact that we kind of made our own version of it is really, really cool. I'd love to see more of it.
00:25:30 Not sure if I would describe it exactly like a puzzle, but it's almost like a puzzle to figure out in terms of the card setup. Yeah, kind of like a puzzle. It's like an optimization puzzle. I think it's a great demo of what could be, so I'd like to see more of it. And you can see in Boggy's port here, it's the Dunkirk 1940 tab there on the top left. And it'll take you to this screen. There is a tutorial, right? Yep. Yeah, this first mission here. And then there will be further missions where basically you line up your cards.
00:25:58 to best deal with enemy cards as you sort of walk through the process of Operation Dynamo, which was the evacuation of the British Expeditionary Force and some free French forces from northern France. So that's pretty cool. And I haven't really got a chance to play it myself, but Geish, you played a little bit of it. Or was it? Yeah, I basically played it until I used up all the HP on my cards. Right.
00:26:25 Because you have to sort of wait a little bit of time for it to regenerate and repair and all that. So there you have it. We should play more Research Beer Ships. Yeah. Do you have one in mind? Let's go to Tier X. There are more Tier Xs. Sure. I want to play...
00:26:44 Ich kind of want a Slava. Warum nicht? Warum nicht? Ich habe keine Schlava in eine lange Zeit. Schlava ist mein preferreder Point-and-Click-Adventure-Ship. Es ist kind of Point-and-Click, ist es? Ich möchte Brunus. Brunus, Brunus, Brunus, Brunus, Brunus, Brunus, Brunus, Brunus, Brunus, Brunus, Brunus, Brunus, Brunus, Brunus, Brunus, Brunus, Brunus, Brunus, Brunus, Brunus, Brunus, Brunus, Brunus, Brunus, Brunus, Brunus, Brunus, Brunus, Brunus, Brunus, Brunus, Brunus, Brunus, Brunus, Brunus, Brunus, Brunus, Brunus, Brunus, Brunus,
00:27:13 How can you be a hater? It's such an awesome ship. I like armor piercing just in general more than HE. I just find the rewards from well placed AP to be more enjoyable. So the short fused advanced pen angle AP with heavy damage like Gibraltar. Just blast people. Just blast people. I get it that it's kind of an unwieldy big fat awkward ship.
00:27:38 Ja, es ist nicht wirklich... Es ist nicht so gut, wie wir vorhin haben. Aber wenn die Schnells connect... Wenn du 12 von den 234mm AP Schnells auf einen Destroyer, speziell... Ja, es ist wirklich gut.
00:27:55 Fair.
00:28:20 By the way, Chat, that's an example of great feedback. Saying, hey, I like this part. It got boring after this bit. What I'd really like is this. Here's what I'd love to see next time. That is awesome feedback because we can take that. We can take it directly and share it directly in our feedback process, which we do weekly. We can also expand on it and say, this person means this. We take it to mean mostly this. And we, CMs who do feedback, can make the best argument for that person.
00:28:49 If they say, you are a waste of time and you're not fun, then we go, cool. Right, there's not a whole lot to work with. They're like, what's not fun? What doesn't work? That kind of stuff. Bring back the Battleship minigame. We don't say Battleship the minigame. We say Sea Adventures or whatever. What was it? It was Sea Battles, I think is what it's called. There you have it.
Balance-Anpassungen, Zerstörungseffekte und Gameplay-Diskussionen
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00:29:18 Will Key get a dispersion buff in the future? I don't know. So ships get things like dispersion buffs when they don't perform well enough. So the cool thing is that our balance team, partly at the request of the community team, but the balance team has taken, I would say, a fair amount of effort to routinely do balance updates, even on older ships. You'll see every couple of updates thereabout.
00:29:47 Ja. Es gibt eine sehr lange liste des Balance Changes. Es gibt drei, ich würde sagen. Every drei bis vier Patches haben eine große Batche des Balance Updates, sogar auf Old Ships. Stuff wie die Zao getting improved Angles on its Torpedoes and its Guns. Ja. Worcester getting... Some of the other ships online getting the 360 Turrets. Ja. Some nice changes to Older Ships. Und das ist pretty cool. Ich really appreciate them doing that. Because stuff like, as new ships come out and, you know, new Attributes, new Abilities, new Scales, it does sometimes make Old Ships feel Power Crept.
00:30:16 Or make them feel less capable. It doesn't always mean that they are, but sometimes it does. Oftentimes, things like Zao, for example, which I know got memed on a lot, but still performs very well in randoms. So, it's oftentimes trying to look for the changes that won't make the ship too good, but will bring it up to speed, so to speak. Right. So, as far as I know, the key is performing perfectly well.
00:30:41 Probably because, as I recall, Ki has Torpedos? It does have Torps. It has Torps. I think the Ki also has pretty decent secondaries. I don't remember whether they have longer range or better dispersion. It has the Akizuki turrets as secondaries. Okay. So I think same range, same dispersion, but they do pen a fair bit more, have a little bit more DPM. But yeah, it's really like a side grade of Magi. Yeah.
00:31:04 Side grade Amagi ist eine gute Art. Es ist nicht das viel besser, und gegen die Torpedos ist das Kompensation, plus ein bisschen besser Secondary Batterie. Und, by the way, das ist, das ist, das ist, das ist, das ist, das, das, das, das, das, das, das, das, das, das, das, das, das, das, das, das, das, das, das, das, das, das, das, das, das, das, das, das, das, das, das, das.
00:31:26 There's a ship for every playstyle in World of Warships. What if my playstyle is exploding dogsy? Can't explode anymore, Gaisu. Destruction effects were turned off. It cannot. Wait, no, not destruction effects. Detonations.
00:31:49 Damn it. Well, you can get a detonation destruction effect, maybe. Actually, I believe... I don't know if that's an option, or... I feel like there is. The triple detonation one is coming pretty soon, I think. Yes, which I'm looking forward to. I really, really like the enemy destruction effects. I think that's one of the most fun ways to flex a little bit in the game, is like, hey, when I blow you up, something unusual happens.
00:32:17 Your ship gets wrecked. Yeah, I just think that's cool. I also like to say, Al Valparaiso. There's a lot of ships in the middle of the map. Yeah, it certainly is. Voy a matar Al Valparaiso. Hey, snag that. I should do the kill already, huh? Okay. Got like 4k out of the 24k of his HP, but it's okay.
00:32:52 Oh, now I'm spotted while firing. Not what I'd like to see. 13k Savo on the JB. For Alter AP, quite nasty. What is spotting me? I just don't know.
00:33:18 Maybe I should use my consumable, that makes me go invisible. Oh, the JB can shoot over the rock at me. Oh no. Oh, it was a little bit high. How's your site going, Boggy? Pretty good. I really don't have enough to shoot at, but that's cool. That can happen on this map. Yeah.
00:33:44 find this tends to be I don't know this map is kind of strange it can be either very fast or very slow it's true I am hard spotted by a destroyer oh dear in my smoke where is he oh as soon as I click he disappears so my shot into the rock nice
00:34:11 all right i probably need to leave no game sound uh we should have game sound oh my god oh my god please lord give this to me oh he wants a death strike poggie wants a death strike he deserves it he's a good good poggie i think he might be turned out too much yep turned out too much
00:34:39 Guys, the fun thing about, the key to being a successful streamer, in my opinion, is to make sure that every reaction is as over the top as possible. So that even the folks in the back and the folks that are hard of hearing know exactly how you're feeling about that at any given moment. I can't hear, but boy, I could tell just by his face that Boggy was an unhappy camper.
00:35:10 I think I need to run away as fast as possible. There are many ships in the middle of the map. All of them are unfriendly. Oh, the Z44? Ouch. It would be nice if the destroyer wasn't straight bow on to me.
00:35:40 Smash this guy. Okay. That's the one I want. You're the one. Oh my god, our Columbo just one-shot that Sejong. This got absolutely wrecked. Damn, Juno.
00:35:57 I feel bad, I like Sejong. I was going to say it deserved better, but... I mean, all the Pan-Asian CLs are pretty fun to play. They are! They really are. Pan-Asian CLs, super duper fun. Come on. Bang! Okay, there we go. I'm going to risk getting devstruck by the Valfur Iso here. Just shoot all my guns. And then I'm going to smoke.
00:36:19 Okay, I'll just leave my smoke then. I'm sure that will keep me alive. Remember, smoke to stay alive, but only in World of Warships. Yeah, right. Smoking saves lives. World of Warships tagline. Yeah, right. It's not. It's not actually. That's a joke.
00:36:47 One pen, okay. Any news for today? Yes, we have a DevBlog to read out a little bit later. I completely forgot to mention DevBlog. Yes, we do. It's in the stream title. It's in the stream title. Bad Bucky. Smoke is one of the main causes of torpedo damage. Smoke is the leading cause of torpedo damage. That's good, I like that.
00:37:09 We should tell the social media team to throw that meme out there. Yeah, that's a good one. Wish I thought of that. I know, right? We just won't tell anybody. Here's something Gaishu and I totally originalized. Totally came up with on our own. Definitely didn't steal. I'm hoping our hull can keep the ships in the middle spotted here.
00:37:39 Why is the Yorktown model flawed? I don't think that it is. As I understand it, the Yorktown model even has a special thing about it that is unique to it. So I don't know what you mean by flawed. You're always welcome to report modeling inconsistencies or bugs on the Discord. Oh boy, I may have come up a little too close here.
00:38:04 That was probably foolish of me. I kind of was not paying attention. What do you mean? Slava can't tank? No, it really can't. I think I could take the Puerto Rico if it was just me and him, but there's literally an Annapolis backing him up. Oh yeah, I think you were super done. I just need to put a shot through the nose of Puerto Rico and I'll be good.
00:38:28 I'm not sure if your shell's a... Can they hit a Citadel? He's 25. So close. I get a heal, give me a heal, give me a heal, give me a heal. I just gotta not get torped by that gearing. Oh yeah, the gearing on that side might be a problem. We have nothing to spot it with. Die!
00:38:56 Well, that was... Oh, my God. 300? Oh, there you go. You know how the Slava gets worse the closer you get? No. Does it? Can't confirm that. Well, it's just that its accuracy is based on having distance.
00:39:14 I think it is quite a bit less accurate at close range than a lot of other battleships. The whole shtick with this lava is that it has a dispersion curve that doesn't fall off a lot with range, but it has higher starting dispersion. Yes, that sounds correct.
00:39:34 Stop it, you stupid gearing. Leave me alone. It's good to know he's all the way over there. I think I just died. Did I just die to this fire? No, it can't be. Sad way to go. Oh, the fire's out. 1,000 hit points? No, 200. But I'm going to get Annapolis in the face here in just a second. He's going to see. No, wait.
00:39:59 Nobody breathe. You're going to survive to your next heal? I think I might. He can't see me. His radar is down. I have a heal in 15 seconds. So silly. This is very silly. Be very quiet, Boggy. Let's throw a plane out. Oh, the Annapolis went the opposite way. Boggy is saved. This gearing is like, oh hell no. How did he live? Let's see if we can find out where the gearing is.
00:40:30 Okay, Gearing Sky is AAF. I am doing a little bit of farming. We do a little farming. A little farming. There's the gearing. Do I have to come over there, Baldi? I don't think so. I'm going to be ballsy and just hop out here. Napoli doesn't have much HP either. Just smash this gearing.
00:41:03 Oh, he's got the HE loaded. Oh. Oh, I'm gonna get side hit by the Columbo. Yeah, okay. Columbo's looking at me. Oops. And we're not having too much luck pushing through A here. Damn. I got a little ballsy. Too fast, too furious. It happens. There's a Valparaiso in front of me at full HP.
00:41:34 A humorous PSA style line of videos giving basic game advice, a bit in the spirit of the bad advice videos, would actually be fun and a good idea. You are correct. Luke ICH. Oh no. Bogsy, make ICH play North Carolina next battle. He has been challenged to get an E in it. I will play North Carolina on the next weekly Discord stage. Oh no.
00:42:05 Ich glaube, dass Geishu hat sich geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch geisch ge
00:42:39 Oh, he spotted me. Did he get the rear guns on? I don't think so. I'm dark. His secondaries took off. The Musashi shot him here. Could be good, chat. Could be good.
00:42:53 Das war mit Unlocked Dispersion, auch. Das ist ganz lustig. Ich denke, die Kolumbo einfach und schießt mich. Ja. Oh, jemand hat eine Ray-Effekt. Du warst aus der Heavens. Das Orbital-Laser hat mir verloren. Ich denke, wir verlieren. Ich glaube, wir verlieren. Grüß von Mexiko. Buenas noches.
00:43:22 Bienvenidos al canal de World of Warships.
00:43:28 El Mundo de los Botes de Rías. Du still speaks pretty good in Spanish, Paul. No, that was not. That was me. It was good in a sense that somebody who didn't know I could speak Spanish was like, oh, whoa, okay. It was terrible, but you kind of know what you're doing. All right, well, let's see, Kaishu. In 20 minutes, we need to reveal the dev blog, right? Oh, we could leave it for a little later. I think it should publish on the website at 7.
00:43:56 Okay. So we have a little bit of time. So maybe we should... Should we... Let's see. Should we... Perhaps. Well, maybe we could do it this way. Maybe we could do the... Or finish off the strength rating for research bureauships. Okay. And then do the dev blog and then do the for fun rating. I love the way that you think. All right. So, chat. Last week, before Gaishu and I were involved in a Tempest...
Research Bureau Schiffe: Tiering-Analyse und Kampfeffektivität
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00:44:20 Involved in a... I like that wording. Involved in a Tempest. We were ranking by tier the... Sorry, we were ranking by S through D the Research Bureau ships. We got done all but two. And the way we're doing it right now first is through basically combat effectiveness and what we think are the best, most useful ships. This is our opinion. We are coming to an accord about it.
00:44:48 So this is our agreement on where we think it is. And then when we're done here, we will show your screen. Yes, please. When we're done here, we'll swap and we'll do how much fun they are. This is how effective they are, we feel, in combat. Now, there are no names on this, but we'll go over this super quick. First up is, let me get my list out real quick here. First up is...
00:45:18 Brennus. We put Brennus at about B tier, I think. Brennus was B tier mainly because it's got really accurate guns with really good ballistics. It's fast, it's quick. Just a very flexible open water farmer dualist. Can engage a lot of other ships in the open water and win. But it doesn't really take positions. It's not an instigator. It doesn't cap. No hydro, no radar.
00:45:45 Not great concealment. It's just, if I see you in the open, I will out-duel you. Which has its utility, but B tier. Next was Colbert. Colbert we put at C tier. Why got you? It's a light cruiser, it explodes. Unless you're John the Ruthless, the Colbert's not doing a whole lot for your team. Primarily, it's a pure damage farmer. It does damage. That is its role. It will farm battleships to oblivion. It can destroy other cruisers at close range if you...
00:46:14 Get all your DPM to bear and you can destroy destroyers, destroy, destroy, destroyer. But you don't really have the tools to make fights happen. It's true. And if you're hot in a bad position, you will blow up very quickly. And it's not even a glass cannon. It's more like a glass BB gun. Because it's full of destroyer caliber guns. So it's not starting any fights. It generally doesn't end any fights. But it is fun. And we'll get to that. So let's see here.
00:46:41 was next. Next up was Druid. Druid was also C-tier mainly for the same reason. Druid actually has a lot of interesting utility when it comes to ending a fight. If you get into a position where you can meet other destroyers, you will generally beat up and destroy other destroyers. But you're not stealthy enough to start fights. You don't have radar for traffic stuff. You get outspotted by other destroyers. You don't have the flexibility of having HE.
00:47:09 It is a very good duelist against other destroyers. It can put out a lot of farm onto battleships or cruisers if it gets to their side. Yep. It's also very good at playing island games because of the two fun turrets. Yep. But again, you lack a lot of the agency that a typical destroyer would have. You're not good at capping. You're not really good at farming. You are good at murdering other DDs that get trapped by you somehow. And it is pretty good at that. But since it really doesn't have a lot of utility in that regard, C tier.
00:47:37 Next up was Gibraltar. We put Gibraltar at, oh, I think that was our first D tier. Yeah. Yeah. And this was really painful for us because I think we both have a bit of a soft spot for it. I just got 200k damage with it. You just got 200k damage with it. It does really good damage. But let's compare that to Brennus. Brennus also does really good damage. However, Brennus has HE.
00:47:58 Brennus has range. Brennus has ballistics. Brennus has armor. Brennus has speed. Brennus has, I think, better concealment. I don't know. I think it's roughly equivalent. Maybe a little bit worse. Gibraltar can obliterate destroyers when it gets the opportunity. But again, it needs something else to make that happen. It can't create those opportunities by itself. No. It lacks a lot of agency. However, it is extremely satisfying. I think I...
00:48:27 I Citadel'd an FDR multiple times on stream at like 19 kilometers with a Gibraltar. It's fun, man. Big guns, short fuse AP, smoke. Reduced arming threshold so you can full pen destroyers very easily. Yeah, you can full pen DDs. Light cruisers get annihilated by it, but like Aisha was saying, not a lot of agency. D tier. Next up was... Yes, Finder Keepers 360.
00:48:55 Nice to see you, by the way. I met Finder Keeper in person. Oh. Yeah. At a convention. He came up at a convention I was working. Said, hello. You know me from the forums and from the streams. I'm such and such. And I said, it's a pleasure to meet you. And we got to take a picture and chat a little bit. It was really awesome. Anyway, nice to see you again, man. Okay. Hector.
00:49:19 Sorry, I had to do it. I'm caffeinated. Let's go. Hector... Did we put Hector at... We put Hector at C tier. Hector... Hector's interesting. Hector has this... I would say more utility than like Colbert. He has the crawling smoke generator, right? Yep.
00:49:39 Crawling Smoke Generator means it can be mobile and smoke itself. It has decent torpedoes. It has a superheel. It has hydro. It has lots of destroyer guns, very similar to the Colbert. But really, realistically, it doesn't do much different than the Colbert. It just does it in a different way. Anything else to add? Not really. I think you hit the nail on the head. It trades some of the raw damage output of the Colbert for that utility, like you were saying, with the smoke, with the torpedoes, etc. Safer Colbert at Tier 9.
00:50:08 Um, moving right along. We had Hull. Okay. Hull. Another one of those dirty damage farmers. Did we, have we done Hull yet? I don't know that we have. I'm pretty sure, I'm pretty sure we did. It's on there. I think it's in B tier. Is it? Okay. I think I wanted to put it at like A. I think I wanted to put A tier because it's really good. But at the same time. Kaishu, I think that part of your green screen is, uh.
00:50:37 Oh, es ist. Look at that. Ja, es ist nicht ganz... Wir können sie sehen hinter dem... Hinter dem... Should I just get up and talk that over? You should... We should... You should move it. We're running a production here.
00:50:54 We don't want you to see our wall. That would be horrible. So the Hull is a relatively new addition to the Research Bureau ships. The Hull is the American Destroyer with 203mm guns. It has HE, AP, advanced pan angles, if I'm not mistaken. Basically firing Des Moines shells, but with a little bit less alpha, I think. She is nuts. Like, crazy strong if you are playing it a certain way. However, this is about overall
00:51:24 Combat capability, and the utility is lacking. Again, she is a dirty damage farmer, and you've noticed something about dirty damage farmers with how Gaishu and I rate them. Yeah, I mean, they generally lack the agency to really make things happen, like catching out destroyers, taking cabs, but whole, I think, rate's better than a C tier in terms of the damage farming, just because of its ability to really annoy cruisers. Yeah. Get their sides, farm them at long range with HE.
00:51:53 The flexibility that having that large caliber AP with the advanced pen angles gives you is very powerful. It is. It looks cool too. It's got those cool turrets. So C tier for hull in terms of capability. Moving along to Illinois. I think this is where Geishu and I had our first disagreement. I think even last week with the steel ships, we were in pretty good agreement for most of them. I think this is the first actual... No, I don't think so.
00:52:22 Yeah, I think we went with your, I think we just, I defaulted to you, which was, was it A tier or S tier? I think we went for A tier. Okay, I'm trying to look at the remaining ships. Oh yeah, okay, this was A tier. So we went with A tier because Illinois is somewhat unique in the sense that it's a battleship. It's an Iowa clone, essentially, except it's an Iowa hull, except she has...
00:52:49 Des Moines Turrets. Quad Des Moines Turrets. That's a lot of 203mm shells. So if you're a battleship and you have that many, you can spam HE really well. Just light fires all day on other battleships. And that actually means that your DPM against other battleships is very high. It also works against cruisers.
00:53:10 Assuming the cruisers are not too fast. If they're too fast, it might be hard to land shots on a property. It can be hard to fight a fast French cruiser, for example, at long range with the Illinois, because the shells are a little bit floaty, and it's not going to have any trouble hitting you back, right? Yeah. However, Kaishu was pointing out that 1v1 against other Tier IX battleships, the Illinois is probably going to out-duel any other. It'll just beat them up for the most part. Which, especially in small-scale matches, like Brawls or whatever, that's actually pretty useful. Brawls ranked.
00:53:39 Yeah, you'll just out-DPM them and win. They just can't deal with it. That being said, competitively, you don't really want that from your battleship. Competitively speaking, you want a battleship that makes a cross-map threat against cruisers. And you need big guns and range and ballistics for that. And Illinois doesn't have that. So maybe not quite S-tier, but A-tier for sure. Yeah, I mean, just a very strong unconventional battleship does a lot of things differently from other BBs.
00:54:08 It is very one dimensional though. It is boring. You just spam HE, sometimes you switch to AV if you get side. It's kind of boring. Moving along to our first and only S tier so far, Ohio. I fought hard for Ohio to be S tier and I think Gaishu was on board too, right? How come Gaishu? Just such a good blend of characteristics across the board for a battleship, right? You have the overmatch on the turrets, you have good accuracy.
00:54:33 You have a strong secondary battery that will ensure that you trade well or even win most battleship fights at close range. You have good armor that will shatter a lot of cruiser-caliber HE and resist overmatch from things like Himatos. You're more mobile than a Kremlin. Yeah, pretty decent mobility. And turning circle is not bad. Yep. The reload is pretty fast, which can help for catching out cruiser broadsides. Just all around, very good. And the fast cooldown heals as well. Give it a pretty good edge. Yeah, I want to say that the holy trinity of 18-inch...
00:55:01 Battleships for a while was Thunderer, the most mobile, the most AG spammer, but the weakest.
00:55:10 Kremlin, the least mobile, the most AP spammer, and the hardest to kill. And then Ohio, which was a very nice blend of both. For a while, that was the holy trinity of competitive battleships. And then once Thunderer sort of took a few nerfs, I know that when Deadeye was taken away, it really fell out. But I think it was replaced by the St. Vincent.
00:55:37 Ja, ich meine, Vincent hat den blendigen Tankiness, Firepower, Mobility, Close-Range Torpedos. Vincent war ein Monster. Vincent kind of took over for a while. I was like, why would you bring anything else? I think its nerf made it. Ja, it got worse Concealment, right? So, it doesn't have a lot of HP, and the balance turn is actually quite weak. So, the Concealment nerf definitely hurt it a little bit, as well as a longer heal cooldown. So, you have that short burst of Tankiness, but then if you're still cut out, you're just dead.
00:56:06 Ja, so I think that means that Ohio still has a place, even in competitive. So Ohio does everything, and it does it pretty darn well, and that makes it our first S tier. Let's see here. Paolo Emilio. So we talked about this one extensively. Paolo Emilio will definitely have a place on the fun list. This is not the fun list. This is the utility and usefulness and combat effectiveness list. It was D tier.
00:56:35 So, so obviously. Because it really does one thing. It charges battleships and heavy cruisers and hopes they don't have radar or hydro. It's the one for one ship, right? Yeah, which really isn't that useful. It's just hilarious. Anything else? I don't think there's too much more to say there. I mean, yeah, you just pop a smokescreen and you run at people and try to tort them. Yeah. So, there you go. D tier. In terms of utility. Sevastopol.
00:57:02 I think we got back-to-back D-Tiers. Yeah. But this was hard. We were waxing a little bit about this one because it's such a cool ship. I want to like it so badly. I really like playing it, partly because I think I like playing underdog ships and getting good at it. To me, I think that proves like, oh, good. And I think we were saying last week, it has the blend of characteristics where you think you can probably make it work, right? You have the accurate guns with large caliber. You have the cool heal.
00:57:29 It just doesn't quite come together enough. It's just not useful enough. Sorry, it's just not. And that's a shame. But I like cruisers with battleship caliber guns too. So I love accuracy. It's very, very accurate. Big guns for a cruiser. Really cool heal that heals a lot of damage. But your game is ruined if you take a couple of torpedoes.
00:57:51 Almost, if you take one. A single Torp is not good. Your armor is so thin all around. It has a decent Citadel protection, but you're covered in 30. You're taking a lot of HE damage, you're taking a lot of AP overmatch damage. A lot, so it's just not worth it, probably in most cases. D tier, boom. Cecilia, solid B tier. It's a Columbo with HE and AP.
00:58:16 Es ist ein guter Allround-Battleship, in der Vane von Ohio, aber ohne die Overmatch oder die Fast-Heal. Sap Secondaries, aber ich glaube nicht. Ich glaube nicht, sie haben... Sie haben Improved Accuracy, aber es hat viele von ihnen, sie sind eine Decent-Caliber, so sie können ein Fair-Amount-de-damage zu tun, wenn sie close sind. Und das heißt, wenn man in Close-Range mit Sachen, die Secondaries sind, woher sie sind, werden sie verletzt werden, weil sie der Sap-Penetration sind. Solid. B-Tier. Unremarkable. Ja. In terms of Performance.
00:58:44 Moving on to Siegfried. Siegfried, I think I insisted that we put Siegfried at B. Yeah. It's not bad. It's not remarkable. Again, at Tier IX, it's much more useful to have a cruiser with 380mm guns at Tier IX. You'll meet a lot of other cruisers that are more overmatchable with those guns than you will at Tier X with the Sevastopol. That's exactly what you're saying. So like 380s will overmatch 25mm, which means at Tier IX, you'll actually overmatch a lot of medium and light cruisers.
00:59:14 Their deck armor. That's useful. Siegfried, just like Aegir, same hull. Really strong side armor. Yeah, really good anti-cruiser cruiser. That can even hit some battleships pretty hard. You have good firepower, you have decent armor protection. So just all around good blend of comfortable stuff. Yeah. Generally speaking, I think Aegir is a superior ship just because I think that with the slightly smaller...
00:59:40 Caliber, but more barrels means you have... Just better to have the volume of the fire. Yeah, I think you're a better threat against Destroyers. Big difference. Siegfried is really accurate and has the spotter plane. So, you know, it's a hit or miss for a lot of people, but I really enjoy it myself. Solid B tier. Moving on to Schlava.
01:00:03 Schlava, Schlava, Schlava. Another one of the OG RB ships. We put it at B tier, much to the surprise of... Schlava, not S tier, Heresy. Heresy, Schlava, most broken sheep in the game. But yeah, I mean, just very one-dimensional, right? Can't tank. Can't tank. Can't brawl. Can't push. Can't push. Just sit at 20 kilometers and click on things. Click on things. If they angle to you, you have a rough time. It's kind of like a streamer's dream, because...
01:00:32 Streamers want highlights, and they want, wow! Under the ideal conditions where something just turns sideways to you, you just annihilate it. But again, a lot of this list is about how often you can force people to make mistakes, or how often you can force the game in your favor. When things are not being handed to you on a silver plate, how much agency do you have? How many things can you make happen? Slava? Very few. But again, insane accuracy, insane ballistics, insane penetration.
Abschluss der Tiering-Analyse und Community-Interaktion
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01:01:01 B-tier. Sweet. All right. Now, we've gone through all the ones we went through. There's only two left. I'm excited. Okay. Vampire 2 and Venschpike are the two remaining before we move on to the fun tier. Those are two interesting last ones. So, Venschpike is the last cruiser. So, for those of you that don't know, Venschpike is a Dutch tier 9 heavy cruiser. She's got 203mm guns that are very accurate, which is kind of cool. The Dutch cruisers have a...
01:01:29 The Dutch Heavy Cruisers have a habit of being kind of wall-eyed, having Battlecruiser Dispersion, which is really obnoxious. But Ventspike isn't. Super accurate, which is nice. I think Ventspike is also the first one of the Dutch Cruisers to have the long distance. Yeah, she has that long-range airstrike that drops a lot of high-damage bombs. Okay. So the airstrike is devastating if you land it, but it takes about 18 seconds, if I remember correctly, from when you click it to when the bombs land. Long wind-up time.
01:01:57 Very hard to aim. Best used against stationary targets or battleships who aren't paying attention. But again, when that airstrike lands, if you land it against a big old target like a Montana, Iowa, you will do 20k plus damage with the bombs. The nice thing is since it's a tier 9, it's more likely to be facing 7s, 8s, and 9s, which are going to be more vulnerable to those bombs on the deck. 10s tend to have better armor on the deck. So... So...
01:02:26 What are your thoughts guys? I'm a little split. I don't really want to give it better than B tier. Yeah, I would agree. I don't think it has the tools to be better than B tier. I mean, I think it fits in pretty neatly with a lot of the other ships that we've been talking about that are solid damage farmers, like their roles that do damage. They fight at open water with other cruisers and battleships, but yeah, I mean, the guns are very comfortable on it. They do pretty decent damage. But we know how we feel about comfy damage farmers, don't we? We do.
01:02:55 So, I mean, I would say that in terms of other cruisers on this list, it does feel most like Brennus in the sense of like, yeah, you can stand off, you can shoot accurately, and you can trade with people, and that airstrike gives you a nice tool for punishing campers, like Geishu was saying. But that's really all it does. And granted, I would say it's not as good of a standoff ship as Brennus, but the airstrike gives it that utility of, well...
01:03:20 If someone's camping, I can at least instigate and I can try to punish them for sitting there. That is useful. But realistically, I don't think we're going to push it better than B tier. Yeah, I'm kind of torn between B and C tier for me personally. I mean, it lacks the speed boost and the mobility of the Brennus to really put it towards upper B tier. That's true. It doesn't have very long firing range on guns. I think it's like 15 something kilometers. Is it? 15.6. 15.6? Yeah, it's not great. It's like Des Moines level, right?
01:03:49 Ja. Well, Chat, how do you guys feel about Spike? Let's throw it out to Chat, what do you guys think? B or C tier? This is another ship that I also don't have a ton of personal experience in. Like, I've played it a few times, but not a ton. Ooh, Chat's saying C tier. Yikes, you guys are savage. Straight to C tier. I see, there's a B there. Strike takes too long and is easy to dodge. Yep. Yep. What?
01:04:17 How dare you? That's blasphemy. I've been told that airstrikes are the most unfair, broken thing in the whole game. It certainly does feel bad when you haven't moved for 20 seconds, then you take 30k damage from the sky. It's definitely not your fault, though. If you move every 10 seconds or so, then it's okay.
01:04:33 Most people are saying C. Some people are saying possibly B. Yeah, I think for me, if we have half ratings, it's probably like a C+. C+, but for this case, C+, starts with C. Therefore, it's going in C tier. Good job, guys. Well done. And Vampire 2. Okay. I'm a little torn on this one, but I'm going to be... I'm going to be... I'm going to say it's an A tier.
01:05:02 Und ich will dir warum. Und Geish, ich würde gerne hören, ob Sie agree mit mir oder nicht. Es ist nicht C-tier, es ist nicht S-tier, sorry. So Vampire 2 hat exceptional HEDPM, exceptional Firestarting capabilities, which again, Filthy Damage Farmers are not, it doesn't make them good in this tiering list. However, it also has two things that I think are really important. One, it has a really long range Hydro.
01:05:30 Ja. Ist es 5.5 oder 6? Es ist 5.5 km. 5 km. 5 km. So 5 km Hydro ist ziemlich solid. Aber mehr importantly, es hat die Crawling Smoke Generator, die Commonwealth ships tend zu haben. Das heißt, ihr 5 km Hydro ist mobile. Ja, ihr habt eine mobile Long Range Hydro, die ihr könnt wirklich arbeiten, in CAPS, für zum Beispiel. Und wie gesagt, mit der High HE-DPM, ihr seid eine große Threat zu ihnen. Ja. Es ist hart zu machen.
01:05:59 Es ist hart zu surpriseen Menschen mit das, aber ein 12-knoter, Cloud-of-Smoke, kommt man an you menacingly. Ich würde sagen, es ist besser als B-Tier, mainly weil es hat mehr Utilität. Diese Vampire 2s tatsächlich get used in Competitive. Ich habe sie in KOTs ein paar Mal. Ja, in Situationen, wo du vielleicht eine Long-Smoke-Train hast, um ein Kreuzer in eine Position zu bekommen, oder vielleicht wenn auch andere Smoke-Destroyer sind.
01:06:27 You can see this gets some use. Yeah. So it can have some competitive applications. And for that reason, I would say A tier. What do you think? I would agree. I was actually going to think like solid A tier for this. I don't think it's quite S tier, just because the Crawling Smoke is not very flexible. Right. You pop the Crawling Smoke, you're committed to that smoke for like the next two minutes. So that does limit it a little bit. But like you were saying, it has the good concealment. You have high conceal. You have amazing main battery, does a lot of DPM, can fight off other destroyers, can farm battleships.
01:06:56 Even though the torpedoes, it doesn't have a lot of them, it only has one rack, they reload fairly quickly, they have 12km range. Oh yeah, I forgot about the torpedoes. So a little bit of added flexibility there. 12km torpedoes from that smoke cloud is very helpful, even if there aren't many, like he was just saying. So good set of tools, good damage output, what's not to love, but I think it lacks some of the oomph that would put it into a solid S tier. Very much. That concludes our utility, our competence.
01:07:25 Our combat capability. Like the combat effectiveness rating. Yeah, combat effectiveness rating. I'm going to steal this. I'm going to send it to our social media team.
01:07:39 Send that to our social media team. Because they actually put this out on social media. And boy, people had opinions on it. Yeah, if you're so inclined, you can go flame our decisions on social media. You guys should. You can follow us on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter. I think I saw the Twitter one because I don't have Facebook anymore. But I saw the Twitter one and it got like four times the amount of engagement. How could they be so wrong? Yeah. How could they be so wrong?
01:08:06 Some people had some very choice words for me, which I appreciated. But anyway, if you guys want to tell us what you think and argue with other people just like you, with no face on the internet, then... My favorite pastime. It is the 21st century pastime, yeah. So there you go. However, now what we should do is we should definitely... When I choose Reset, why don't I like... Why doesn't it... Let me...
01:08:36 I'm glad it didn't say my name there. Sorry. Okay. There we go. Let's see. I got them all set up again. Now. Now comes the opportunity to do this. Do you want to do it right now? Or do you want to do Doblog first? Oh! We have a lot of goodies for it. Doblog. I forgot about that.
01:08:59 Admiral Revan, hello! We were hoping you were feeling better. Sounded like you were feeling under the weather. Down under the weather. Oh! You get it, because he's Australian. Anyway. How do Australians not fall off the planet? That's a good question. I saw a wife. Hello, Rejoyful. I miss you and the baby. Ew, gross. He's stuck here with me instead. I know.
01:09:24 Yeah, let's talk about the dev blog. Alright. Okay, let me... F11 this. Wait. F11? F10. How do I... F12? Nope. Definitely have it open to board. There might be a full screen option. The view. Oh. Okay. Top there. Top where? The top bar. Eh!
01:09:47 View... Fullscreen? Microsoft Products. Bro, just let me... Read mode? There we go, okay. Oh no, this is horrible. I hate this. Everything is terrible. Oh no. Escape. Okay. Alright, give us a moment. Whatever, I'll just leave it as it is. Alright. Tell you what, why don't we just use the presentation scene that has the wonderful images on it. Actually, no, we should wait.
01:10:18 Well, but, yes, we have images, but we also need to read the sing-along with the, we need to read the text, right? They could just listen along. No, it's too much text. Sorry. I'm ready. You ready? Yeah. Okay. I think it's just going to have that. My name's not anywhere, so that's fine. Here's the dev blog. So.
Früher Zugang zu amerikanischen Zerstörern und Grafik-Updates
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01:10:43 Uh, let's see here. Closed Test 14.6. This will be available on our dev blog shortly. Early access to a new branch of American Destroyers. All graphics updates and more. Welcome back to the dev blog, Captains. The seas are stirring once again as we set sail into the full details of update 14.6. Early access to American Destroyers takes the spotlight this time around. Backed by a new graphics processing update to make the game look crisper than ever.
01:11:14 Die Tür 9, die Christopher. Und in Tier 10, die Burroughs.
01:11:43 But we'll get right into what makes these ships interesting. First and foremost, these ships focus on main battery firepower over stealth or torpedoes, especially at Tier VI and above, where they wield powerful 137mm guns that can fire both HE and SAP shells. So, if you guys are familiar with the Johnston and the arrangement there, which is pretty gun-focused, and HE and SAP, you'll be familiar with that.
01:12:11 Yeah, that's a nice flexible combo in destroyer guns, right? You have the HE for setting fires. If you're fighting other destroyers or cruisers that you want the pen on, the SAP, you can do some powerful raw damage there. Yep. The distinguishing feature on these destroyers is a unique smoke generator that can be toggled on and off at will. However, like a submarine's dive capacity, the amount of smoke that can be used is limited, thus encouraging.
01:12:35 Ja, so this is a new thing, right? It's not consumable in the sense that you have like five charges of smoke generator to use. Instead, you basically have one minute of smoke, and you get to turn that on and off. There is a, I believe, a minimum cooldown time, right? So if you switch it on, there's a minimum time that you have to run it for. Then when you switch it off, there is a certain amount of time before you can use it again. So in that sense, it's a little bit like a regular consumable, except that instead of having the charges, you just have the overall duration, right? Yeah.
01:13:03 So you could blow it all in one shot if you want to. Yeah. I suppose. So anyway, that's going to be kind of cool because that's a brand new thing and I think it'll offer some new opportunities for things like King of the Sea where I would like one really long line of smoke, please. Yeah, one really long line of smoke or maybe you just need 10 seconds of smoke to break spotting and go dark but you don't want to blow one out of your three charges. Right.
01:13:27 So yeah, there's a little bit of flexibility there, which is pretty cool. So there you have it. That will let us do some cool things. And we also have some camouflages for these ships. I can switch your scenes. Great. So here we have the wanted permanent camouflage. No, sorry. This is the righteous permanent camouflage for Christopher. Okay.
01:13:50 Do you want to tell us about this boxy? I don't know what I know how to say, other than it looks very cool. It looks kind of like metal, which is pretty sweet. It's got some interesting patterns on it there. Some nice relief patterns on it. Yeah, an eagle, because it's America. And then next up, we have the wanted permanent camouflage for burrows. This one with a little bit of the skull motif. Yep, the Texas Longhorn is what that is right there. It's a Texas Longhorn skull.
01:14:19 I think it's Texas Longhorn. Sea Raptor's gonna be angry at me. But really nice colors, kind of silver and bronze colors. So really like those. Looking forward to seeing those in the game. Yep. And then, yeah, so that's what we have for the new Early Access to American Destroyers. Be on the lookout for that in the future. For graphics updates, let's see here. Hold on, I'm actually, I'm gonna go over to the producer chair for a moment and I'm gonna set this up to look a little bit better. Okay.
01:14:49 How democratic are these camouflages? You know, America is not actually a democracy. And I'm not saying something political there. I'm not being a smartass. We are not actually a democracy. We're a constitutional republic. Actually, guys, we're not really a democracy. We're a constitutional republic, okay? We are a democracy in the...
01:15:18 Existential concept of people do vote for things. And the people do technically decide who goes into power because people vote on congresspeople and whatnot, but government is a constitutional... We have to talk politics today? Just kidding, we are not going to do that. And it's not like... I'm not expecting an opinion now, is it? You might need to scroll up just a little bit, Boggy, because now it's showing a portion of your screen. Alright. So for the graphics update, we're making a major leap forward in visual fidelity. Ooh.
01:15:47 I don't know who wrote that, but I like that. I love some fidelity. A major leap forward in visual fidelity. That sounds like...
01:15:55 So, someone who writes for commercials definitely wrote that.
01:16:24 Was it you? No, it was not me. That is a pretty powerful line. That is.
01:16:30 All right, so we can show you a little bit of what this looks like. Yeah, we'll give you a visual. So you can see some comparisons here between the different anti-aliasing methods. Pay special attention, I would say, to the buoy. That's what it is, right? Pay attention to the buoy and to the... The scaffolding and the tower in the background. The towers in the background, because that's where anti-aliasing matters the most, is small lines like...
01:16:58 Thin lines, I would say. They tend to look blocky. So you can sort of see as it increases and by the end it's looking very, very smooth. So it should make the game look quite a bit better there. Yeah.
01:17:16 Next up, ray tracing. I actually don't know what that is. So, with this new feature enabled, you'll notice smooth edges and reduced aliasing that rival the visual quality of SSAA eight times. Sharper details and higher definition preserving the fine elements of ship and environments. Far less flickering on ship's structures and water reflections. Improved visual stability even during intense movement or dynamic lighting scenes. Minimized ghosting and visual...
01:17:45 Artifacts. Visual artifacts. I hate when the ghosts and artifacts are in my... I was about to say. Yeah. Spooky, man. That is spooky. And less jagged. Wait. Ensuring clean, crisp motion in simpler terms. Oh, thank God. I love simple terms. Visuals will look clearer, more stable, and less jagged, even in fast-paced action or complex lighting scenes. Cool. You can enable this in the graphic settings under anti-aliasing mode.
01:18:13 The other options will remain available, but are no longer part of the standard presets. So there you go. Cool. All right. Next up, we have classified documents for operations with flagships already apart. But as previously announced, we will be increasing the cap for how far you can upgrade these with update 14.6. And this will be the last step before the system leaves the game entirely in update 14.7. We don't say level 11, by the way. We say super ships.
Klassifizierte Dokumente, Content-Rarity-System und Container Barge Verbesserungen
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01:18:41 Level super documents. I don't know who wrote that, but I'm shocked. Shocked and appalled. In any case, you can see here in the table some of the differences between having the stock classified documents, so to speak, and then having them upgraded all the way to level 11. A little bit of a stat upgrade there. So if you've been playing Operations with Flagships quite a bit, you'll have some extra performance here to help you clear those. Yep. Here's an example in these little tables of sort of what changes a bit.
01:19:10 So, there you go. I don't think we need to linger too long on that. With regards to the content rarity system and container barge improvements, we will also bring the following features in 14.6, which is the content rarity system is designed to clearly show how widely available a piece of content is and how much effort is needed to obtain it. Rarity of the content will be displayed in port by colors, icons, and text.
01:19:35 In the current iteration, the system will be applied to ships, camouflages, and enemy destruction effects. For the Container Barge, several updates to user interface designed to make your interactions with containers faster and more transparent. Transparent? Okay. There's a whole very long devlog about these to read this in more detail because it is quite a hefty feature, so I encourage you to head over there and check it out if you haven't read it already.
01:20:01 And then lastly, we have a whole bunch of extra content that we are adding to the game, starting with some new commanders. All of these, except for one, I believe have individual voiceovers, so custom voice lines that you can hear in-game. See some cool dudes up there. Some of these look like folks that I recognize from...
01:20:23 I recognize some of these people. Do you recognize some of them? I might. I feel like I may see a Lord of Droid up there. Just throwing it out there. He might even be looking like a droid. He may be even looking like a droid. I don't think the name's on the graphics, so we have a Lemerian, an Alexander Gromov, an Angela Lutti, an Ultima, and a Vittorio Marino.
01:20:47 And next up... I actually recognize some of the other people. Yeah.
01:20:55 If you know, you know. If you know, you know. Some of them are not on camera. Not all of these are very public-facing, but some of them are. That's always fun, though. Alright, next up we have some new patches as well. Unfortunately, you can see Boggy's screen in the background here since it's not full. That's okay. These are patches for the Grand Trial, which you can get by participating in that... It's basically rewards for long-term participation in the PTS.
01:21:25 where if you participate in a bunch of different phases, you'll get some content, a chance to get a tier-rate premium container, I believe. So make sure to check out the PTS and some of the articles on the Grand Trial. And then five new flags as well. You can see we have the Grand Trial flags as well, with the PT wording in there. An Experimental Ships flag, and then the Strike Hard and Alienware flags as well. So a whole bunch of new stuff there as well. Indeed.
Neue Schiffe und DevBlog-Inhalte
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01:21:53 Was last? Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you there. We have two new ships to go along with the USDD line that we're revealing today. Two new ships, the first being Kyberpankov. Yes, that is a bizarre looking cyberpunk style or esque. I would say these are very heavy cyberpunk theme. But Kyberpankov, which is one of the coolest...
01:22:19 Ich denke, ich habe es schon gehört. Hyperpenkov. Das ist aus dem Dmitri Pozarski. Ja, das ist ein Tier VI. Dmitri Pozarski ist der Tier VI, ich denke. AP-only? Ja. Und es ist der AP-only. Right, okay. Und dann, die Tempesta Nera. Das ist, glaube ich, für Blackstorm. Das ist, glaube ich, ein Ruggiero di Lauria.
01:22:48 It certainly is. Which is pretty sweet looking. Oh yeah, based on Ruggiero di Lauria.
01:22:57 Anyway, crazy looking camos that are Steam, Cyberpunk-y looking. Looking forward to those. I think that's it, man. Yep, I think that's it for the DevBlog today. It should be going live in about 43 minutes, if it hasn't already. I think it releases at 7, though. Yeah, so this should be live at the end of the hour. You said new ships, and we did. There are new, we revealed four new American DDs from the Tech Tree coming. So, on you. Gotcha.
01:23:26 I also heard somebody in the chat there say, what is the point of this chat? They're not even reading it. Look, bring it in. We take turns reading the devlog, reading the chat. Let's have a huddle, okay?
01:23:41 Chat, we can't do everything. I mean, I know it seems like we can. I thought you were superhuman, Boggy. I mean, to some people I am. To my four-month-old daughter, I am a superhuman, which is pretty cool. We can't do everything. When we're reading the dev blog, we're presenting new information, and the point is to give information to you, not to take information from the chat. However, there are times during the stream when we will stop and reach out. It's a great time to give us your comments and questions.
01:24:10 And concerns. This has been nice. I like this.
01:24:15 We just finished up the devlog, so we have some time to chill, and if you guys have questions about it, now we're happy to redo that. Should we take questions from chat? No, I think we should just play some games. We still have to frontier the research bureauships, but that doesn't take quite as long, does it? Yeah, I think we can do that during the last 30 minutes of the stream.
01:24:41 I think we could do that too. Hello Super Average, I do see you. Picardy Buffed? The Picardy has like... Doesn't it have crazy secondaries? Am I thinking of the right show? You're thinking of the Lugdunum. Oh, I am. The Picardy is the Leon...
01:24:54 Or the Normandy. I think it's the Leon. It's the Leon at tier 8 with main battery reload booster. You can light someone on fire with your 12 or 14 or 16 HE shells and then light them on fire again afterwards. I don't know what you're talking about. Main battery reload booster is just a crazy consumable. It just automatically makes the ship good. Poor fire chance.
01:25:22 You have 16 Battleship Caliber shells. There's no such thing as a poor chance when you have that many.
01:25:30 All right. Should challenge Bogsy to get an E to defend his damage record. In what? Oh, I think they're pointing out that I currently have the North American Pensacola damage record. That's right. I remember you getting that match. That was crazy. That was crazy. I think it actually might be... I think it might be...
01:25:54 Global damage record for Pensacola? Maybe. How much was it? A lot. It was like 200-something. And it's tier 6? That's a lot. I play a lot of Pensacola. It's a lot of fun. It's my let off some steam ship. Let off some steam, Bennett. Yeti. Hello, Yeti. Nice to see you. Can we please get a screenshot of the RB chart, please? Yes, we're going to actually make two charts. A fun chart and a...
01:26:23 Combat Effective. And then we're going to give them to our nice social media people and say, hey, you, put this on social media with names. So you can see it on our social media as well. What else?
01:26:41 When will next old ship balance change be? I don't know. We usually do it every three to four months. I don't remember when the last group of changes will be. Still at work gathering data, making changes. It'll be on the dev blog when it's ready. Yep. If you are in a turn, the aft turret becomes a super firing turret on Pensacola. What?
01:27:06 Yes, now everyone knows and will use the Pensacola. Pensacola is, I think, not fair at Tier VI. It's got 25mm of armor all around. It has a lot of armor and very big guns for a Tier VI cruiser. Yeah, and advanced pen angles and heavy AP, heavy American AP. It's really good. And most people at Tier VI, V, even VII, they just don't quite know their ships very well yet. So they don't know how dangerous you are. They don't know, you can just delete them.
01:27:34 Especially other cruisers, they're like, I will get all my guns on by going broadside. You're like, cool. Goodbye. Goodbye. That was my father, and any birthday gift he ever bought me, research and send me the money, and it was always short. I'm just used to it, still don't like it.
01:28:02 Oh. I almost forgot we also have a code. Uh oh. I think we have a code. This is I think the last one for the patch actually.
01:28:13 Should we do the code? Sure. Go ahead. If you want the codes. Well, first part. Remember, these are two part codes. Put them together and you'll get a more coal container, if I remember correctly. So, at the end of the stream, we'll give out the second part, but the first part for now is sounder. That is sounder. So, sound with an ER, then. Sounder. Actually, I'm going to brag for a second here. Let's, uh...
01:28:39 Brag? Ja. Are you pulling up the actual damage number? Hell yeah. Bring up the Pensacola. Wait, Worship. There we go. Pensacola.
01:28:51 Do you mind throwing it to my screen? Let's look, chat. Okay, this is on NA. This is Pensacola. This is Wow's Numbers, by the way. This is a third-party site. No big deal. So, in terms of PR, what was it? It was not average damage.
01:29:12 It is maximum damage. Bugsy! 258,000! That was pretty cool, man. That is a lot of damage for a tier 6 cruiser. That was pretty cool. Do you see the popular button on the top there, by the way? That was a big new button. Popular? What does it do? Most popular player. John the Ruthless!
01:29:36 What is this measuring? I actually am not entirely sure. Maybe just a number of visits to the page.
01:29:46 Look, Ma, I'm on TV. I'm shocked. John the Ruthless is number one. Wargaming CC Notzer. I haven't seen Notzer in forever. Yeah. Number two. Gaishu Ishoku. Number three. BFK for life. Beefcake for life. What a Chad. Lots of recognizable names there. Yeah, that's very interesting. I honestly don't know what this is measuring, but...
01:30:17 No Bogsy. Sag. I'm just kidding, I don't care. Okay. If I really cared about that, that would be very vain of me. You don't care about your warship's popularity? I don't. I'm sorry.
Tiering der Schiffe des Research Bureaus nach Spaßfaktor
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01:30:34 Alright, should we get to the fun stuff? Let's get to the fun stuff. Okay. So, we're doing tiering right now. Tiering of Research Bureau ships. This is for fun. Specifically, these are how fun the ship is. Not how good it is, how fun it is. First up, Brennis. I really, really like Brennis. I don't think it's S-tier fun. To me, it's A-tier fun. It would give us an A-tier. Okay. Yes, for fun. I love it. I love ships that are fast, that are accurate, and hit hard. Brennis does all three of those. Sure.
01:31:02 I think the speed definitely bumps it up in my rating. Okay. But for me, it's a pretty one-dimensional open water damage farmer, so that tends to fall more towards B for me, but because of how punchy the guns are, I'm willing to concede the A point. Let's ask Chat. Let's have them decide. Chat, Brennis, this is for fun. How much fun it is to play? A tier or B tier? You have a choice.
01:31:23 Alright. C. C's not an option. D. Get out of here. A or B. For me, this is definitely a more fun ship than something like a Henry. Just because the guns are way punchier. So you can do some cooler things with punching broadsides and such. I'm seeing mostly B's. And you guys are haters. Alright, B. I've seen a lot of troll answers too. There's a lot of troll answers as well. Colbert. Do we have to discuss this? No.
01:31:53 Why? Why is it S tier? So much damage. It's like a rite of passage to me. Because you have to play at close range. You can blow up instantly because it's a light cruiser. There's always that adrenaline on the edge of danger. It goes fast. It's very maneuverable. There are multiple module and captain setups you could take. There's multiple ways you can set it up and play it from full conceal to rudder build.
01:32:21 To max range, to DPM. So I feel like there are two really good examples of ships that are basically, to me, they're like rite of passage ships. It used to be Minotaur, and it was made sort of famous by Jake from State Farm, or Jake from Great Farm. He would play full, like, no-conceal Minotaur with, like, max range, and he'd just farm things, and his whole thing was on Twitch. He'd just...
01:32:49 Show you how to predict and dodge. And you could see that a lot of thought and a lot of skill went into it. And John the Ruthless does the same thing for Colbert. Whereas you just get this very, very high risk, high reward ship. John has made several over 500,000 damage games. This is the iconic John the Ruthless ship. Yeah. He's extremely good at this ship. Lots of fun. Your SAT score, nice to see you. Colbert was designed for John. Yep.
01:33:15 Completely agree. Next up we have Druid. Druid is pretty fun. Druid for me, I think personally rates an easy A tier. Just because of the uniqueness, because of the island shenanigans you can pull off with it, with just poking out your front two guns. Agreed. You can just absolutely disrespect some ships with the Druid. Yep. Some light cruisers. Especially AP only cruisers. Okay, so...
01:33:42 Minotaur is unironically very funny to run into in a Druid, because if you keep bow on, the Minotaur has one option, and that is break your turrets. It's basically a contest of breaking each other's turrets where neither ship can angle or die, right? But he has a Citadel and you don't. Right, and the thing about the Minotaur is, if the Minotaur shows you any angle...
01:34:05 You have Advanced Pen, and you will find the Citadel of that Minotaur and Citadel it. If it doesn't show you any angle, and it shows you its rear, it has a flat rear. And you can shoot through the flat rear and Citadel it. It's very funny. So basically, the Minotaur has to bow onto you, and in which case it's only getting three of its guns. In which case it's just, who can break? It's close range, even only two. Or only two, yeah. In which case, it's probably going to get shot by somebody else, because it can't move. It's just very funny. But Druid...
01:34:32 Really fun. I would say that if you are skilled, you can do quite a bit with it. Yeah, and I mean, anything with the improved Royal Navy acceleration, too, I think it's an extra fun point just because of how responsive it is. Yes, and that's fun. Fast firing guns, cool AP, AP only, short fuse, advanced pen.
01:34:52 Good acceleration. You got a smoke bomb too. You can drop a smoke and run if you need to. It's got a small heel to help you a little bit, but really, it's just unique and fun. Gibraltar!
01:35:04 Okay, I want to put this somewhere between B and A. I'm leaning towards, realistically, it's B tier for fun. Yeah. Because it does one thing hilariously, which is Citadel unsuspecting stuff or annihilate destroyers. Yeah, I would agree. And I think this falls more towards the B tier for me. And like you said, it's really just because, well, it does have really funny things that it can do. It's not really good at making that stuff happen. Right.
01:35:30 You catch the Destroyer out, you punish it for 12k, it's a huge shot of dopamine, but you can't realistically make that happen all that often. Nah. And cruisers giving themselves, showing their side to you, it can happen. It is hilarious when it happens, though. Next up we have Hector. I really, really enjoy playing Hector. I want to put it at A tier for fun. And my reasoning, you can tell me what you think, but...
01:35:58 Fast firing guns. Lots of them. Fast firing guns on lots of them. Destroyer caliber. I always find destroyer caliber cruisers to be really fun. It has tools. It has the crawling smoke. It has the good hydro. It has the longer range torpedoes. And I believe it has the Royal Navy acceleration as well. It's just fun. It's kind of like a safer Colbert. Yep.
01:36:22 Es ist ein Safer Colbert, ein Tier-Lower, das trädt ein paar DPM für die Utilität der Smoke und die Hydro. Ja. Superheal. Torpedos. Es ist einfach gut. Also, es hat vier Turrets auf den BOW, Facing Forward. So, wenn du wirklich brauchst, kannst du einen Light Cruiser oder Destroyer gehen. Und du kannst auch noch ein paar Damage geben. Ja. Ich denke, es ist wirklich gut. Wie geht es dir? Ja, ich gehe zu Ihnen. Okay.
01:36:47 Just the fact that it's a light cruiser with the destroyer caliber guns that puts out a lot of damage and has the smoke automatically gives it quite a few fun points. Yeah. And I haven't played it all that much personally, so I trust your judgment. Hector is a budget Colbert is what I heard somebody say. That's fair. If you're a tier 9 enjoyer, this is the Colbert for you. Okay. Hull. Tier 10 hull. The destroyer with the 203mm guns. To me, it's going to be A or S tier, mainly because...
01:37:14 The fact that you have such incredible guns on a Destroyer, that fire fast, that light fires, that pen a lot, that have good AP with advanced ricochet angles, on a Destroyer hull is crazy. The one downside to me is that it is somewhat one-dimensional, as Geishu was pointing out earlier, which may keep it from being S-tier in my opinion. You are a filthy damage farmer. You can surprise other DDs and even other cruisers. You can surprise some cruisers and sit at Element Close Range, no question.
01:37:43 Aber es ist ein bisschen 1-Dimensional. Was sind deine thoughts? Ich würde definitiv agree. Ich denke, es ist ein 1-Dimensional Damage Farmer. Es hat die Improved Speed Boost und die Super Heal, aber wenn die Speed Boost ist, dann ist es sehr slow und schluckisch. Für mich, ich denke, das Rates mehr towards A als S, weil es nicht die wirklich Explosive Fun-Faktor hat. Du bist einfach nur plinking away von Long-Range. Fair enough. Es gibt viel Spaß mit den Super-Large-Caliber-Gunsten, aber es ist nicht...
01:38:10 All the way in S tier for me. Right. You'll notice something about the Research Bureau tier list. The ships tend not to rank very high in terms of combat effectiveness, but they tend to overall rank pretty high in terms of fun. I think we talked about this a lot in the combat effectiveness rating too, but all these ships have a lot of really unique things going for them for the most part. In that sense, they're very different and just fun compared to a lot of other ships that tend to be a little bit more standard. Whether that makes them really strong or not is...
01:38:40 Es ist mehr auf in den air, aber es ist fun. Wir haben gesagt, dass Hull ist wirklich stark. Combat effectiveness nicht wirklich 1 zu 1 bedeutet, wie stark es ist. Ich würde sagen, dass Hull ist ein bisschen zu stark, weil es so stark ist, weil es so stark ist. Und was werden sie zu tun? Du bist ein Destroyer, du bist ein Citadel und ein Superheal. Was werden sie zu tun?
01:39:07 Even like some cruisers, it's really dangerous to get caught out by a hull.
01:39:13 That's what you do. You threaten battleships and cruisers in a destroyer and you're sort of like, well, okay. If you need to flip a cap or catch another destroyer out, you can't really do those things. Nah, it's not what you do. You're sort of like the come at me bro kind of destroyer. So maybe not S tier, but definitely A tier. Next up we have, what is this? Is this Illinois? I have to check the, um, consult the notes. Uh, Hector. It is. It's Illinois. Okay.
01:39:41 We have Illinois. We put Illinois at A-tier for combat effectiveness, because again, it could basically one move on a whole lot of battleships in the game, especially in condensed or smaller matches. In terms of fun...
01:39:56 It's just a filthy damage farmer with a big ass hull. Yeah. I'm saying C tier? It's not like... I think there is some uniqueness to it in that it is a battleship with actual cruiser guns. That's kind of unique. There's not a whole lot of that. And that can be kind of fun. It is also hilarious if you catch another cruiser at close range. Yeah, just put 12 DM AP shells into it. Oh, brutal. That is fun.
01:40:25 But really, it's Assault Miner. It's just pissing people off. So, I mean, for me, I personally agree with your rating that this goes towards C tier. Okay. And again, it's just because, one, I'm already not a huge fan of Battleship playstyle in general. Yeah. And then, two, Illinois is just... It's the most boring part about Cruiserbit. I do the spam HE all day. Yeah. With all the slowness of a Battleship. So, like, for me, that definitely falls towards C tier. All right. I know we're getting a lot of disagreement from chat here. I think everybody in chat is...
01:40:55 Not with us on this, but I'm going to stick to my guns. Chad, keep in mind, we gave this an A tier for combat effectiveness because it really is good at what it does, which is just outfarm other BBs and heavy cruisers. Imagine being a Stalingrad at tier 10, thinking you're a god, and then you bow in and you're like, ah, ready to have a good game. And then you see this, and you're like, ah, shit. Now I've got to back up after I lose half my HP. This guy's just going to spam HGMU? Yeah.
01:41:24 Okay, so C-tier for fun for Illinois. Lol, sorry, not sorry. Next up, Ohio.
01:41:35 Gashu, I really, really like the Ohio. The only reason I don't play it more often is because it's such a PR sink. All he wants is Unicum PR. I still like the Ohio. The big guns, the accurate, the big, accurate guns. You don't lose any of your main battery accuracy by speccing for secondaries. That's crazy. You can actually spec for solid American 127 secondaries with improved dispersion and improved range. You've got that super quick cooldown on the heal.
01:42:04 You're relatively mobile. You're not super slow. You turn okay. And what am I missing? Spiderplane. You've got a spiderplane even if you want it. And you overmatch 30mm.
01:42:17 Yeah, I'll give it to you. Yay! And the reason why is I'm not actually, again, not a huge fan of battleships in general, but I used to play a lot of Ohio. This was like one of the only battleships I would spam. Yeah. And that was because I would play a super troll, like full secondary, no concealment, consumables duration instead of concealment.
01:42:38 Build on it. And it would work. Because the ship was just so silly. And I think it's fair to say that Ohio hasn't been power crept. It was one of, if not the first research bureau ship. And it was... I think it was Slava and Ohio, right? Yeah. It really hasn't been power crept. Like Slava... I feel like we had a polar opposite. When Slava was released...
01:43:00 The content creators of our gaming universe were like, oh, the Slava's OP. It's going to be game-breaking. And they didn't really care. They were like, well, Ohio. But it's not as accurate. The ballistics aren't as good. It only has eight barrels. It didn't have the super wow factor. It didn't have the super wow factor. But realistically, the Slava's pretty meh. And the Ohio is consistently...
01:43:26 really well performing in randoms, and it's consistently picked and competitive. Yep. So. I mean, it just has, like, the combination of the powerful main guns and the good secondaries is, like, the two fun things about battleships, right? Yeah. It's getting the Citadels with the main guns and not just burning people to the ground with secondaries. Yeah. And it does both those. And you have the quick reloading heal so that when you get in close, use your secondaries if you want to. Oh, as, like, an American Battleship 2.
01:43:54 Citadel is mostly under the water. It's hard to Citadel, which means that you can get in close if you want to. So, S-tier. I see your SAT score said S-tier is Ohio. Always has been. Yeah, pretty much. Paolo Emilio. Now...
01:44:16 Okay, I feel like the Paolo Emilio is the highlight reel generator of World of Warships streamers. Everyone should have a good Paolo Emilio highlight reel. And if you don't, you're missing out. The YOLO Emilio was put at D tier by us because it's just awful. Guys, it's just awful. Whenever I see one on my team, I go... They don't...
01:44:45 They're not competitive. Realistically, they're going to trade 1v1 with something. Hopefully, they get a good battleship on their way out. But really, they don't do much. However, there are times, like my friend Momo, who sent me a replay of him literally getting a quad kill using the Paolo Emilio. If you ever watch the Best of World of Warships YouTube channel from Twitch.
01:45:10 It's run by CC Daniel Rusev and by Free the Brain. There are lots of clips of Paolo Emilio plays. Yeah. I mean, it just generates those funny, funny moments all the time. It's a highlight reel. If you play five matches with this thing, you'll probably get like three Death Strikes. Yeah. It's a Death Striker. So, in that case, I don't know if I want to put it at S tier. It is a great meme, but it is also a one-trick pony, which is you make...
01:45:38 You either generate great content by doing something extraordinary or by dying hilariously. So maybe this is a hot take, but for me this rates towards B tier. Do you? And this is because I think while it can be really funny, it's not a reliable fun game. It's not. If I want to do something ridiculous, I might play Paulo Emilio for one or two matches, but it's not something I'd sit down and play five matches in straight. That's fair. I think the most fun you can have in this ship...
01:46:07 is by taking full consumable duration and full speed. So you take the... Brisk? Or is it Swift and Silence? Swift and Silence, yeah. Increases your speed, you load up on every speed-increasing thing you can get, and then basically when you hit your speed boost, you end up going like just...
01:46:31 Just short of like 60 knots. You could even like full troll it out and take Dazzle and Swift and Silence. So you get spotted, pop the smoke, you have the Dazzle speed boost and the Swift and Silence. I didn't even think about that. I think an extra 16% speed stacked together. That's nuts. So it's pretty short duration, but yeah, it'll put you up there. Yeah, so that's like not stupid either. It's kind of stupid, but it's not completely stupid. It's a little stupid, but I mean, you're already playing Paulo Emilio. You are already playing Paulo Emilio. Might as well commit.
01:47:00 Since we ranked it at D tier, I want to go A tier just because it is fun. I'll concede the A tier. That's more of a personal thing for me. Sure. For me, for the fun of a ship, I want to be able to play it all night. I want to just sit down and play 10 games of a ship if it's really fun. That's a really good point. Could you see yourself playing this all night long? Colbert, absolutely.
01:47:27 Ich will sit and watch hours of John the Ruthless playing Colbert just because it's Colbert and it's John the Ruthless. I would play Ohio all night long if I had the opportunity to be like, yeah, that's fine. That'd be a great night to play Ohio.
01:47:43 Ja, Paolo Emilio, ich denke, es ist ein Hilarious ship zu einfachen und spielen zwei Matches in. Ja. Spiel zwei Matches, get etwas wirklich lustig und move auf. Agreed. Next up, wir haben Sevastopol. Right? Ist das Sevastopol? Ja. Ja, Sevastopol. Okay. Um... Ich weiß, du wahrscheinlich nicht in diesem Ship, hast du? Nicht wirklich. Ich spiele es sehr rarely. Like, vielleicht...
01:48:10 Maybe once a month. So I really like playing this ship. However, it's also very frustrating to play this ship. So I can't rank it that high. We ranked it at D tier in terms of performance. Because again, the concept is cool. The things that make it different are cool. The long but powerful heel. The long duration but slow and powerful heel. The hyper accurate long range 380s on a cruiser. Pretty cool. But...
01:48:38 It's so hit or miss. In order to do well on this ship, you need unsuspecting cruisers to show you their broadside. And then you need them to stay broadside long enough for your shells to find them. Since you only have six, it is easy to screw it up. And sometimes when you're that accurate...
01:48:55 It can actually be a negative. If you just aim slightly wrong, the shells are going where you placed them. So if you didn't place them correctly, you're not hitting them. And that means, if you have to swap to HE, because no one's showing you a broadside, which is gonna happen, it's anemic HE. It's a little sad. It is a little sad. Then you take your one torp and you're like, dude. I can't even heal. I can't even heal now. So I'm gonna say for fun, I find it fun because it's difficult to play. And it's fun for me when I take a difficult ship.
01:49:24 And I do well in it. There's always fun to overcoming a challenge, right? To like figuring out the pieces, how to make it work. Yeah. So in that sense, for sure. But I'm going to say C tier. What are you going to say? I agree. I think really it's the same deal that we were talking about with the combat effectiveness where it has a lot of interesting parts. Yeah. I don't quite come together for the full experience. Sure. And I think that also applies to the fun rating for it. Fair enough. Moving on, we have... This is not Cecilia. What is this? Name that ship.
01:49:55 What is this? Is it Siegfried? Don't you have the list of... I do. The order got slightly wrong. So it has to pull.
01:50:06 Is that Austin? No, that's N-Comp, isn't it? No. What the hell is this? Oh, N-Comp's a steel... Oh my god, what am I saying? I think it's Venschpike. I think it just got slightly out of... Here, I'm gonna move it back to where we had it before, which is this way. Vamp 2 goes here. Oh, you can order the images around, I see. Yeah, I can move the images around. I may have just screwed up the order in which they were. Siegfried Slaba.
01:50:34 Okay, there we go. So, next up, Cecilia.
01:50:42 This is so awful. I don't think I've played Cecilia enough to know whether it's fun or not. Sure. I actually play in... Cecilia is one of my most played recent battleships. Oh, shit. And that's just because it's comfortable. Okay. I wouldn't say it's something like, wow, I'm going to have a ton of fun playing this ship. Like, I'm going to get the dopamine hits. Right. For me, this is just like, I want to relax. I just want to have a comfortable game, so I just hop into Cecilia. Stop me if I'm wrong here, but in terms of weapon arrangements, the Cecilia is sort of like a Tier X Giuseppe Verde, which means...
01:51:11 He, AP, and sap secondaries. Okay. So, it's very comfortable to play. The gun angles are very good. You have solid AP, accurate guns. You can spam HE at other battleships. You have the smoke generator. You have the sap secondaries. None of it is like a super wow gameplay experience. Sure. But you can play the ship and just have comfortable matches, match after match after match. So for me, it rates a solid B tier. Solid B tier. Done. I'm not going to argue with that.
01:51:40 Next up, Siegfried. I think this is Siegfried. I'll leave this one to you because I've played maybe two games of Siegfried in my life. Okay. I really enjoy the O-Class Hall for Germans, which is going to be the A-Gear, it's going to be the Siegfried, and to a lesser degree, the Hildebrand. Hildebrand's a Tier X, obviously, and it's a hybrid. It's not included in this one, but...
01:52:05 Siegfried, I really, really like. And we talked about it earlier because it was the first cruiser with battleship guns, like true battleship guns. Yeah, the .380s at Tier IX. And .380s at Tier IX on a cruiser, way different than .380s on a Tier X, like Sevastopol. It is very accurate. It's not quite as accurate as Sevastopol, but it is very accurate, which means you can punish other cruisers and even some battleships. And you really can. You can sit at all other battleships, even at Tier IX.
01:52:33 I really enjoy it. Besides that, you have the added benefit of you have very powerful side armor. It's not really going to take a battleship hit broadside at all. But it can withstand some cruisers. And if you angle it properly while you're pushing stuff, you will do very well. It's like 80 or 90 millimeters thick side armor. Very respectable armor. So if you wiggle as you're moving forward, you can bounce battleship shells off your...
01:53:01 Off your side hull. That being said. You have a pretty weak bow in stern armor. Against battleships. But you will absolutely annihilate. Sorry 27 not 25. 380 armed ships. Like French ships. Like French ships that have 380mm guns. You can bully them with this to some degree. Like originally it was always pretty funny. Because like what's it going to do. You can chase it down. You can torp it. It's got torpedoes. It's got 6km hydro.
01:53:28 And those big guns are real comfy. So I really, really, really, really, really like it. I want to put it A tier. Sure. I think at tier 9, especially for a tier 9 cruiser, the combination of armor and guns and accuracy. And a lot of HP. I can see it being A tier, for sure. I just really like the O-class as well, so I'm a filthy scrub. Schlava. You want to start this one? Sure. For me, Schlava also falls more towards the comfort tier. Okay.
01:53:56 Ja. Das ist es.
01:54:22 There you go. I'm seeing some chat. Once again, admonishing us for not interacting with chat enough. Sorry, guys. Again, we're doing a ranking here. We're doing a tier ranking. Sometimes we're going to reach out to you guys to help us decide. But right now, we're not really taking chat questions. We're doing this. We have a lot of ships to get through, and we also only have 10 minutes left on the stream. We'll try to have some time to end the stream for any questions. They don't care. They just like to hear themselves talk.
01:54:50 Bin is a much better manager. That's true. Bin is a pretty cool guy. Killer Bin is a way better community manager than we are. He's like, thanks for that, chaps. Next up we have, what was this? This is Benchbike. Most people would be like, Ben what? Ben who? Benchbike has two things going for it. Very accurate, lots of accurate 203mm guns.
01:55:16 which is nice, because especially the Dutch Cruisers tend to be pretty inaccurate. And then it has a unique 14-kilometer heavy airstrike with a long lead-up time. It is sort of like, if you've ever played Super Smash Bros., it sort of reminds me, the airstrike reminds me of the home run bat, where it's like, it takes a long time to swing it, and it's not really very practical, but when you connect with it, it just smashes stuff. That's pretty fun. That being said...
01:55:42 Ja, ja, ich get it.
01:56:06 Last but not least, Vampire 2. I know people who live and die by the Vampire 2. This is the most fun they have in the game. I'm okay with it. If you guys have ever played the Friesland or the Groningen, I know those don't have torpedoes. Or crawling smoke. But they sit in smoke and they farm with HE. Super high rate of fire HE spammers. The Vampire 2 is very similar to that. Only you have torpedoes, you have good hydro, and you have...
01:56:33 Crawling Smoke. That being said, it is really solid, it's really powerful, and I rarely hear people complain when they play it. I think it would be an A tier. It's not S because it is a destroyer that needs other people to spot for it, which I hate. When you pop the Crawling Smoke, you're committed for two minutes at a time, which is a very long time, right? So if you just need a little bit of smoke, it's not really the best to have. But I would agree with A tier. I could certainly see people enjoying this to the S tier.
01:57:02 Just because if it's your playstyle, it's your playstyle, right? Yeah. But for me, I prefer a little bit more flexibility with the tools. Fair enough. That does it for our fun tiering list. I'm going to toss this into our social media channel once again. And yeah, what do you guys think? Let us know what you disagree with, what you think we got horribly wrong, what you think we got right, if we got anything right.
01:57:30 In case we did get anything right. Remember, every subjective opinion that Bogsy has is always wrong. That's true. One thing you guys will note, we said it before, we'll say it again. Obviously, the research bureauships, they tend to be, in our opinion at least, less combat effective and more fun. Because they tend to be a departure from the attributes
01:57:56 The attributes and traits that make up a nation, they tend to be a slight deviation from it. Compared to what is traditional, so to speak, right, for ships of their class and their nation, like you were saying, they will usually have some kind of standout or unique feature, right? Like Illinois having the cruiser guns. Yeah. The super light cruisers with the destroyer guns, that kind of thing. When Ohio was released, it was unusual because normally American battleships tended to have...
01:58:24 A relatively high number of low caliber guns. 406 was standard. And this was, oh, few guns, big. It really had two departures, right? Where, like you're saying, instead of the traditionally American battleships having the average to large numbers of smaller caliber guns that are pretty accurate. Yeah. And then not really having any secondaries to speak of. So Ohio came in and it has the fewer number of overmatching guns. Right. As well as the secondary battery.
01:58:52 Das war so kind of two departures from how american battleships usually are yep um oh chat is reminding me i actually i do need to give away the second part of the code that's true you do so i'll do that right now and then we can go back to getting some questions so uh first part was sounder as chat is reminding you and then the second part is spark so sounder spark go ahead and redeem the code grab your container and that is the last code for the patch
01:59:19 Good job remembering that. Thank you. Well, Chat remembered. So, I suspect that now the correct thing to do is to talk to Chat, since Chat has been very upset that we're not talking to them and we're not listening to them. How do you feel about that? Absolutely. Alright. If you guys wanted to ask us some questions, we are here. Oh my god. You guys, this is something that needs to be captured on stream. I got a message in my port from Sergeant Hattie. Wow.
01:59:48 Okay. Those of you who don't know who Sergeant Hattie is, you should know Hattie. Hattie stopped playing a while back because I think he graduated from college and got a real job. Hattie is famous for a couple reasons. Hattie was in Bonks for a long time. Looks like he's in resin now. Great. Hattie was a competitive player with the Bonks team for a long time, but the clip that I have from my stream that has the most...
02:00:14 The first clip that went semi-viral in whatever, however WoW's clips go viral. I was on stream and I was kind of frustrated and I was playing Ohio. Love Ohio, by the way. And I was frustrated in a ranked match. Yeah, I was frustrated in a ranked match that my DM wouldn't move up. And he wouldn't move up because he said in chat, I'll move up once the Conqueror is dead. There's a Conqueror or the Thunderer is dead.
02:00:40 And the Thunderer was Sergeant Hattie on the other team. He was like across the map at full health. And I was like, oh, that's all you want. Just kill the Thunderer and you'll move up. Great. No problem. Let me just do that. And Hattie's at like 22 kilometers. And he turns. He like kind of turns. He turns. And I just take a shot. Like, sure, let me do that. Long range shot. Long range shot. So I just take a shot. And then I go back to shitting on this poor guy.
02:01:06 Who I later messaged, I DMed and was like, I'm so sorry. I gave you crap. But the shells go off. It takes like eight, nine seconds. And then dev strike. Full dev strike. Like full health thunderer. Full to zero.
02:01:22 And I'm like, I'm just actively bitching. Just kill the Thunderer and I'll move it up. Yeah, whatever, man. Yeah. And I just typed into chat like, done. And he goes, okay, I'll move up now. What else could you do? And that was Hattie who reached out and was like, dude, that was awesome. But later, this was even cooler. Later, right before a King of the Sea, Hattie, I got a little drunk. And I joined all the bonks.
02:01:51 in their Discord, because Hattie had broken his arm and was playing ships with his feet. Hattie's playing ships with his feet. And I was like, I gotta see this. So he got on Discord and was streaming it, and he was streaming himself, and we were all watching him play, and he actually did pretty well. So we were all watching him. What a legend. That was one of my favorite nights playing World of Warships was with all these goofy Bonks kids.
02:02:20 They all put on their cameras and I was like, oh my god, I'm in preschool. But it was so much laughter and so much fun. And Hattie did a great job. And then I think, it looks like he might be playing again. It's great to see. Anyway. Chat, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's all about you, Boggy, and not chat. I know. Can't tell a story.
02:02:44 Was Bogsy a Melee fan? And if yes, what character? The only one I played was Melee. Sorry, I played the 64 version, but Melee I have thousands of hours in with my stupid friends. Yes, always Fox. Fox, Fox, Fox. Gaishu? Do you have a favorite Melee character? I didn't really play much Melee to be honest. Is it because it came out before you were born? Yeah.
02:03:09 My friends and I went and bought a Nintendo GameCube, Super Smash Bros. Melee. Hey, I did have a GameCube. And three extra controllers. The night, the same night that we went to see the premiere of Fellowship of the Ring in movie theaters, we went out and we bought the GameCube, went to see Fellowship, and then we stayed up all night long afterwards talking about Fellowship and playing Melee for the first time. And it was one of the best nights on Earth.
02:03:40 Anyway, that does sound pretty sick. Yeah. Hello, Oskonts. Nice to see you, buddy.
02:03:51 I am just talking too much. I'm an idiot. Bogsybull emote one. There can never be a game where everything is balanced. Something is always going to have the edge over something else. Ah, Weedjus75. What you are describing might be considered, if you pull out, if you zoom out, balance. If something always has the edge over something else, it may balance itself out. How about that? Yeah, I mean, the thing is, there are a lot of ships in the game.
02:04:18 The good news is that all of them are pretty viable in randoms. The game is balanced for randoms for that 12v12 mode. And you can take out pretty much all of them and have fun. It's true.
02:04:30 Let's see, 658. Well, we're pretty much done here, guys. We've had a really good time hanging out with you, chatting with you, and going over the dev blog. Dev blog should be up in just a few minutes for you to check out yourself, see the images of the new USN DDs, and a couple new ships as well. Let's see, what else? I balance DDs into my favor by playing them. Right. Slava Armor Scheme.
02:04:57 Actually, its armor is not as bad as I thought it was. Yeah, I mean, it has okay side armor, right? It has a decent upper belt. Spaced armor. Not the thickest Citadel, right? No. But spaced armor. It's got a 70mm Citadel plate and then 370. So, yeah, 440? Spaced? That's solid. Yeah, it's okay. The main downside is the bow armor, right? And then the deck. The deck is only 32, if I remember correctly. I was wrong, by the way.
02:05:25 Yes, under the water it's like 440, but it has that big fat 370 flush with the water. Okay, so there you go.
02:05:37 Oops. Slava. I remember when everyone said you were the worst thing that ever happened. We love you. I remember the last time I saw Slava that wasn't me playing it. You're so cute. I'm gonna grab your little cheeks and pinch him. Tell Boggy how to baby. He's got such little fat cheeks. He's gonna grab me and go...
02:06:01 Anyway. Do you know if WoWs is planning to get more Research Bureau upgrades for some new lines? Oh, that's a good question. I can imagine why not. I think unique upgrades we generally tend to release at the rate of a few a year. I don't think we're pumping out a ton of them. Not that I'm aware of. We can always see what new ones for the future there could be.
02:06:20 So, well, it is after 7. We should go because Augie has a baby to get home to. And Gaisu has some Ohio to go play. I have some video games to play. That's right. But we hope you all had a good time. Is... I forgot to mention, I think Team League is this weekend, right? Yes. Oh, no. Trident Trials is this weekend. Okay, sorry. Team League is the weekend after. Okay, my bad.
02:06:46 So you can go ahead and catch community streams for both of those tournaments. They'll be happening back to back, so check in this weekend. Peridat says rating the upgrades would be a great stream. Oh my. That's interesting. Nice idea for Kanta. That's a very good idea. Thank you very much for the suggestion of Peridat.
02:07:03 You're at 98%, don't go. Just watch the European stream tomorrow. There are many streams you can catch a week. If we're the last stop and you haven't finished it, my condolences. Indeed. Okay, that's it for us then. We will see you guys all next week. We hope you have a wonderful time. See you next time. Bye.