[EN] T10 Tech Tree DD Breakdown with Gaishu and Legionnare

World of Warships: Tier-10-Zerstörer im Wettbewerb – Eine umfassende Analyse

WorldofWarships
- 23.07.25 - 02:10:46 - 9.200 - World of Warships

• Zusammenfassung
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Eine detaillierte Tier List für Tier-10-Tech-Tree-Zerstörer wird vorgestellt, wobei Spaß und Wettbewerbsfähigkeit bewertet werden. Die Gdansk, Harugumo und Kleber werden als S-Tier-Schiffe hervorgehoben, während andere wie die Regolo und Burrows in den unteren Rängen landen. Die Analyse berücksichtigt Faktoren wie Nützlichkeit, Survivability und spezifische Rollen im kompetitiven Spiel.

World of Warships

00:00:00

00:05:30 everybody this week's community stream we are back once again with legionnaire joining me guys you on stream for this week howdy howdy how are you all doing today

00:05:42 Starting off with some Des Moines and Daring, the old classics. Yeah, see, drops started already. Nice. I'd also like to point out, I'm kind of disappointed we're starting in a bottom tier match, but it's okay. Yeah, you know, I'm always a fan of being top tier too, though. It's always fun being top tier, mid tier, and bottom tier. All the tiers. Which tier are you? Yes. Just yes.

Stream-Inhalte und Ankündigungen

00:06:07

00:06:07 A bit of an interesting matchup, Destroyer and Submarine Heavy. I mean, pretty good ships for it. This week we'll be doing some regular shipping. We might check out some Unbreakable Align before it goes away, a few of the operations of Flagships before they go away. About halfway through the stream we'll probably do our tier list. We'll be looking at all the tier 10 Tech Tree Destroyers. I did decide to focus only on the tier 10 ones, otherwise we would probably be here all night.

00:06:34 Ja, ich liebe Community, aber nicht so viel. Ich liebe meine Kinder, ich liebe meine Bede, ich liebe meine Wife. Ich liebe sie nach Hause. Du hast eine 12-Hour-Session von Rating-Every-Destroyer-In-The-Game? Nein. Ich bin gut für etwa ein wirklich langes Stream jedes Jahr, und das ist Long Assign-Museums. Ja. Und dann bin ich halt, hm... Ich bin halt Spend.

00:06:56 Sie haben die Charisma und die Energie. Es kann sehr tiring sein, wenn sie auf camera sind für 6 plus hours an. Ja. Will wir wiederholen Unbreakable Line für eine noch Heavy Rotation? Wir haben sicherlich gesehen, dass es ein unserer meisten popularen Moden ist und wir sind sehr glücklich mit es. Wir haben auch, in der Office, viel Spaß mit es. Ja. Wir, als Spieler, wirklich lieben es.

00:07:24 Hmm, 5 Torps, who has 5 Torps? Could be, well, any of the restorers actually. That's the most useless bit of information I could have. They do look pretty fast. I mean, I guess. I would probably say, I would say Holland. I think it's the Holland. Oh yeah, Gearing's down there. I don't see two other racks. It could be after Ushima, but they've kind of traveled a pretty long way, so I think it has to be the Holland. Meh.

00:07:49 Oh, das ist ein inauspicious start. Ja, ja. Nicht gut. Die Team also looks pretty heavy down south, so maybe I'm trolling by coming all the way up here. St. Vincent ist also already on his back feet. Marseille? Marseille, ja. Did we change the contents of the coal containers? All you get now are coal boosters and CXP never gets signal flags. I do not think the contents have been changed recently. No.

00:08:15 There's a random aspect to it, though, and you will roll interesting combinations sometimes. If I remember correctly, the first slot will always be coal, and then the second and third slots are a random chance for a few different things, so you may not always get signal flags out of those second and third slots. Yep. You can get all kinds of things out of there. I can't quite shoot over this. My personal favorite is when you get the more coal container, and then you land all coal.

00:08:44 Ja, ich könnte einfach nur die Marseille hier sein. Ich weiß nicht, ob wir hier sind. Ja, ich denke, das sind Highland Torps. So, er ist auf. Marseille ist auf. Ich denke, er ist auf der Island.

00:09:13 Oh, is he getting a Gamer turn right in front of you? Let's go! Unfortunately, it is kind of hard to Citadel him. I say that and then immediately Citadel him. Yeah, never mind. I was hoping to get more of that damage, but you know, I'm not going to complain too much. Oh, I just walked right over the Blau. Oh, look at that!

00:09:36 What the heck? Um, I can turn back and... What is he doing? I can turn back and handle him real quick. What is he doing? Oh, you'd be able to keep him lit with Hydro long enough to finish off? Oh, he's not quite in the 2km Hydro range, but... Okay. I could walk back at him, but I mean, I think I might actually be able to just get him with this next airstrike here. Okay. Montana's airstriking him too.

00:10:04 Let's see if I have to... Oh, he's done-zo. Yeah, he's done. Okay, cool. Alright, let's go, I think, down towards C. Looks like the rest of their team is all... Yeah. Oh, yep, he's done. That was not what I expected to happen there. No, oh man, wow. Alright, well, there's Shima. Shima's face-tracking you? Yeah. Oh my goodness. Yeah, Shima's face-tracking me while his St. Vincent is behind an island relative. He's just running straight at you. Yeah.

00:10:31 I'm about a kilometer away from radar range here. Although he's just full speed out of his smoke. Yeah, I don't think it's gonna work. He's also in hydro range. I'm gonna start my turn so I can hopefully force him to do something with his torps. It's dumb. Okay, cool. Cool, cool, cool.

Abschied von Bogsy

00:10:50

00:10:50 Hallo, Finder Keeper, Ripper, nice to see you guys. You already got a refund if that's Bogsy, something is different. Nope, it is. It is not Bogsy. This is the Bogsy. Wish.com Bogsy. Low key though, I really missed his presence in the office. I'm super excited and happy and it's wonderful that he's going on to other things, but it also makes me really sad because he was probably my best office friend.

00:11:22 Is there Kotz this weekend? No. Kotz is in November. Kotz this weekend? I start panicking. I was like, wait a second. Is it? Yeah. Well, this is actually really funny. The Shima has accidentally just given me great farm smoke. Oh, right. There's a submarine at Periscope somewhere here. I saw his Torps go by, but I was lit when I fired before I got right into Shima smoke. I think that's a permafire on the Vincent. Hopefully it stays lit now.

00:11:51 I hope he pulls forward. Oh, he looks like he wants to. He looks like he wants to. That will help him. I could double up on my farming time here. Oh, they were too short range. Tragic. That's okay. I'll be able to farm on here. Because I've got my short burst generator.

00:12:15 Oh, he's just gonna try to... Yeah. Looks like he's just walking in. He's just gonna push it now, yeah. He's gonna get one more shot on me, I think. That's a terrifying prospect in Des Moines. Yeah, definitely not a fan of being 10 kilometers away from the Vincent, but I think we dodged most of it here. Yep. We're fine.

00:12:35 Grease is a bad map for unbreakable lines. Central Island is a pain in the ass. Yeah, Grease is personally not one of my favorite maps. I think we talked about it last time. I only have one strategy on Grease, and that's just go to the 8-9 line and try to make something happen.

00:12:52 Es fühlt sich ein unfriendlich zu einem anderen Weg zu anderen Sachen. Ich fühle mich die Islanden auf der westen Seite auf den Weg sind. Ja, ich meine, in der Unbreakable Line ist nicht so gut, weil es die Natur der Game Mode ist. Ja. Man, das ist nicht ein guter Match für mich. Ich habe die 1-Kill, aber nur 40,000 damage. Ich hoffe, die Winsen... die Winsen... die Winsen würde eigentlich in und es nicht.

00:13:25 Oh, 4501, yeah. Going on to bigger and better things is polite HR code for firing? No, absolutely not, actually. I don't think we actually on Boggy's last stream with us here, I don't think we actually mentioned what was happening. Do you think he would be comfortable with us sharing? No, we'll let him announce everything, but he's been traveling. He is still currently working for us. Yes, he does still work for us. You will still see him in videos. We just do not have him on the stream, so Boggy may share. Yeah.

00:13:55 Was he going back to prison? We're sending him back to the basement, yeah. But no, it's nothing that bad. No, it's actually cool. It's a very good thing for him.

00:14:15 I'm playing with fire here. Oh dear. No, you're fine. Just the Republic. Someone got quick reloading, what, 427s? 4... If? No, 4... Oh my god. I actually don't know Republic's gun caliber at the top of my head. Is it like 430-something? Chat, 430-something? Are they 450s? They're definitely not 457. No, absolutely not. They just barely reached the 30mm overmatch mark. Yeah, I'm pretty sure they're 427s.

00:14:45 431, okay. Oh, 431. So weird. Why do the French have to be so strange? Oh sweet, I got an achievement. Carried by Gaishu.

00:14:59 Speaking of playing with fire, there's a Salem here that I'm just completely ignoring because I don't have to worry about it anymore. Yeah, I did all my damage at the beginning and now I'm useless. We had one of those rare matches here where the entire enemy team goes to one area, but our team on that side doesn't collapse. Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, you look like, without lack of trying for the enemy team, we had a Z42 over there, pretty low on hit points, and a Salem that had definitely gotten a lot of work done.

00:15:29 Not a terrible match, but the enemy team folded a little too quickly there for it to be amazing. Still top 4 for me. Not bad. I'll take it. Alrighty, do you have anything that you'd like to play next? We kind of played what I want to play. Simple man likes his daring. Yeah, it's such a comfortable, fun boat.

00:15:53 I mean, I could play Des Moines all night. I could also try some Worcester. I haven't played Zao in a while, actually. Ooh. That's a fun one. Chat says that we're sending Boggy to museum ships to see how much stuff he can break by plugging it in. Actually, not entirely inaccurate, I guess. Kind of, sort of. We have been sending him around quite a bit this last year. Between this year and 2024.

00:16:22 In the meantime, I am the Boggy you get. I could play some more Burroughs. You could play some more Burroughs? Alright, well I will then pop into the Des Moines. Kind of fits our topic later as well. Old Faithful.

00:16:36 Des Moines ist definitiv mein, ich denke, mein Lieblings-Favorite-Classic-Ship. Wenn ich nicht wirklich wissen, was ich möchte, Des Moines. Es ist definitiv ein meiner Lieblings-Ships, also, das ist warum ich 3,000,000 XP habe. Ja. Ich bin jetzt jetzt, und es ist wirklich atrocious. Ich bin eigentlich interessiert, wie viel... Wenn ich all meine Free-XP habe... 68,000,000. 68,000,000 Ship-XP-Saved-up? Ja. Ich wundere, wie viel ich habe.

00:17:08 Probably starts with a B. A lot. Yeah. Not quite a billion mark, but...

00:17:14 One of the only ones I have more on is the Black Swan. But that's because of resetting your daring mind so many times. I kind of wish I could see overall how much I have on my Harugumo, but it's all in the Japanese tier 1. Yeah, it's all in the... Hashidate? Yeah, Hashidate is the tier 1 Japanese cruiser. He must really like playing tier 1. Yeah. Nope.

00:17:43 Legionnaire equals how Bogsy would look with his head, hair attitude, chin. No. Bogsy is what we call more conventionally attractive than I. I go for the rugged style. You kind of got the Viking beard going on. A little bit. I'm more of the Danube pirate. Hungarian gypsy.

00:18:12 Remembered your question, why are we so good at the game? Maybe Legionnaire has a theory, why do you think? It has to do with naming conventions, so if you have per-per in your name, you actually automatically do better at the game. That was one of my favorite Reddit posts of all time, the study on win rate correlation with naming scheme. Oh, it's so great.

00:18:32 It's probably because we spend way too much time online in general and just are more likely to practice and play the game. It also proves that y'all history buffs need to stop crossing the T so much because you're getting citadeled and you have lower win rates when you're named after some historical personality. Yep. Basically anybody with a historical name was more likely to be towards the 45% win rate. It was bad. Oh, it was funny.

00:18:58 Man, I'm going to be honest, I've never played Des Moines on this map. Really? I'm pretty sure I'm going to position incorrectly and get just ruined. I think it's a pretty comfy map for Des Moines. I mean, you can't go wrong with playing the islands, really. Although, if you commit too hard to sea and we only have three ships here, it could be rough. Exactly. And if one of their battleships decides to just hard push I, I'm going to pretty...

Spielstrategien und Schiffsdiskussionen

00:19:21

00:19:21 Untenable position. Just because there's only three of us here and we have an Alsace for support, I'm not gonna go to the J-Line and spot down there. I think I'm gonna try to play between B and C. Yeah. Oh, I forgot to switch my screen. Whoops. Here we go. Matches started. Don't worry, guys. You didn't miss too much. Do we have our own Twitch channel? I do have my own channel, but I haven't streamed for quite a while. I do not have a Twitch channel because I am an office worker.

00:19:49 Office workers can be streamers. In fact, a lot of streamers are probably office workers by day. I am a processes guy.

00:20:01 We read on the dev blog another South Dakota Class BB called Indiana is coming back. Does that mean Indiana Gaishu is coming back? Or perhaps a special caption with last name Jones? Indiana Gaishu? Was that one of the skits we did? Yeah. Oh man. I think Wisconsin had me put on the cowboy hat. Yeah. We did a quick skit for one of the stream announcements. But yeah, Indiana Jones caption would be pretty cool at some point.

00:20:29 Die Katsune ist spottet, weil sie schüttet? Ja. Ich habe eine Schauspielung hier. Ich habe keine Radar-Range. Ich habe eine Position, um es bereit zu gehen.

00:20:48 I'm happy I didn't dive in Ireland, because that Iowa is actually pushing right down the IJ line, but that also means that I'm not going to be able to get radar on him anytime soon. Yeah, they definitely have a few more ships down here than we do. Yes, they have a lot of stuff that can overmatch me. The Des Moines experience? Mm-hmm. I got Ismo, Iowa, two Iowas down this way. At least they're not 30 mil overmatched, so you're...

00:21:13 Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja.

00:21:41 Oh, he's shooting anyway, that's funny. He's just gunning it. Yeah. Also, I expect him to pull point here. Let's see if I can. Alright, I probably need to... I've got my back turret on him. Ow, you put him. All my... Wait for the planes to go away.

00:22:02 Ja! Ja, da sind wir. Das ist all right. Ja, wir sind gut. Ich weiß, dass ich das nicht in der Position war. Ich denke, dass ich jetzt nach der J-Line bin. Ja, gut luck. Das ist nicht gut für mich.

00:22:30 Yep, lots of stuff pushing, lots of stuff pushing. Oh, oh my god. Iowa just smashed me. I'm not really a happy camper here. No, Profay, one of our CCs. Good to see you.

00:22:44 Oh, Calga's coming for me. I will probably just use a smoke here. Use some of my smoke here rather, not a smoke. That wonderful mechanic that allows me to smoke whenever and wherever I want. Alright, what's my option here? This little tiny island? Oh. There'll be some cover. Oh.

00:23:09 I'm in danger. There are quite a few enemy ships down here. I have zero damage at the time. That is rough. I do not have very much damage either, and I'm also almost dead, so it's not the best start for me. Yeah, there's not a whole lot I can shoot at. I guess I'm far enough away from Iowa, I can start trying to farm him.

00:23:37 Just far enough away that I might be able to... So potentially a new German cruiser line planned. If you haven't heard of them yet, you do have a German large cruiser line coming. Manually controlled secondaries. If you're good. If you're good, we'll add one based on the Deutschland class.

00:24:02 We won't cancel them. If you're naughty, we will cancel them. No more German Cruisers. That's some of the weirdest Torpedo Dispersion I've seen in a while. I have like two double stacks of Torpedoes and then just one off by itself. Weird. Which one? My Torps. Oh yeah. Yeah, the Torp RNG every once in a while will get you.

00:24:30 I'm for sure going to just get ruined by something I'm not paying attention to. My Torms have range, they actually might be pretty good here on the Iowa. Please? Please? Yes. Oh, they just barely had enough range. Nice. Actually, I'm going to try to finish off. Did he flood? He did. I think he just DCP'd. Okay. So if you can get a fire on him, we'll go down pretty quick. Yep.

00:24:53 I'll try to finish off the Mets here with some sap I just need to make sure that other Iowa down south of us he's like 15k away in closing I think need to try to I have flank exposed to two Iowas now and I'm not loving that prospect

00:25:24 Ja, das ist mein Gott, das ist ein Serious Damage zu mir. Ja, das ist okay, das ist nur in Iowa. Aha, er hat es. Er hat ein Feuer auf ihn, so er hat er. Er hat er. Er hat er. Er hat er. Er hat er. Er hat er. Er hat er. Er hat er. Er hat er. Er hat er. Er hat er. Er hat er. Er hat er. Ja, er hat er.

00:25:53 Oh, he's got... Doesn't have the fireproof. That's position 3 for a fire. Yep. Always nice to recognize, oh, the battleship has no FP. Time to farm.

00:26:17 I was behind an island, time too far.

00:26:48 I don't think he has the room to turn all the way around. He's gonna cut through that gap. Oh, yeah. Okay, he's turning a little bit back in. Why is there a Missouri all the way back here? He's exploring the islands at the back of the map. I guess.

00:27:11 Yo, dog, can I borrow some hit points? Please, sir, may I have some hit points? Master, give Adobe some hit points. Just a few, please. Torps look pretty good here. Might land... three? Looks like three.

00:27:30 I'm amazed you're having that much luck with one rack of torpedoes. Right? This almost never happens. You did instantly DCP it. Yeah, yeah. We were kind of far away. To be fair, I will instantly DCP a flood as well, because it slows you down and just makes you a big old target. Oh, I want to shoot him, but I have less than 2,000 hit points. Yeah.

00:27:56 Also, ich weiß nicht, wo der Olande ist, das ist ein bisschen scary. Er ist disengaged. Kastia ist die Closestin zu mir. Alright, wenn der Kastia ist mit dir, dann könnte ich ein bisschen zu bekommen. Die Team ist gut. Oh, nice. 3 Kills in 3 Sekunden. Kastia, ist Kastia? Ja. Ja. Ich werde Kastia schießen. Oh, mein Gott!

00:28:23 Oh, Z-Mode. Battleships. Battleships. Open water Des Moines life. It does happen sometimes. I was not expecting a Z-Mode in B. And just was not paying attention. Yeah, you're probably not long for this world either. Do I accelerate out of the way in time?

00:28:48 Join us next episode. Oh my goodness. Yes. He does have to be careful of the Missouri here, so I think he has to stay bow in, right? Yeah. I'm going to torp slightly behind him because I think he'll do some slowing down to dodge. I'm really angry. I was getting AP loaded and everything for that Castilla. Kind of wasting some smoke time here. Yikes.

00:29:19 He's gonna shoot me again.

00:29:24 Yep. Look at this Blindfire, he's so thirsty. Wait, I sound like Bogsy? There's no way. There's no way I sound like Bogsy. Sounds like Bogsy looks off. Maybe I'm just using a voice changer and I actually am, or... Uh, if I just aimed the Torps normally and actually would have hit him. Feels bad. Feels bad. Eh. Gonna try to work my way all the way north here. The funny thing is, if that Montana was a Vermont...

00:29:52 Und dann hätte ich den Castilla gewonnen haben, weil es nur sitting ist. Ja. Ja. Ich habe wirklich mehr als 1,000 hit points. Wie habe ich so viele hit points gewonnen? Ich habe Smasch'n-Smoke. Wie habe ich so viele hit points gewonnen? Ich habe HALF meine hit points gewonnen, weil ich nicht in der Mini-Map war.

00:30:18 4k Damage Salve. Oh, he's getting bursted. Oh, man. Ouch. RIP. Oh, I can... Good thing you saved all those hit points. Yeah.

00:30:34 Ja, ich denke der Missouri ist nicht lange für den Swirl in den Ruffspot. Ja, weil er hat einen super langen Bough. Ja. Ich denke, dass er mit dem 3rd turret kann, kann er ihn tatsächlich aufbauen. Oh, und Torpedos. Ich habe ihn vergessen. Das ist eine Fun Party Trick. Ja, er wird ihn aufbauen und dann wahrscheinlich Flood. Ja. Nicht ganz gut, Judd. Ja, es ist es. Okay, ich habe ihn mit dem BB.

00:31:04 Did Kastia just chase me down here? He doesn't have RPF at least. That's nice. I mean... Use some Hopium Torpedoes here. I'll huff the Hopium. Nah, nah. Yeah, he's gonna try to rush me to the island here. Kastia's one of the fastest cruisers in the game too, by the way. Yeah, he's probably just gonna be able to force you against the map edge.

00:31:34 Reminds me of Georgia. The meme of the Georgia just running Destroyers down. Georgia is faster than most of the Battle or Destroyers in its tier. It's very funny.

00:31:48 Oh, okay, he's turning around. He wants to get back into the fight. I mean, we lose in 28 points, so... Yikes. Oh, the Azuma was about to die, maybe? Maybe we have some more time? Uh, yeah, I think the Enterprise will actually finish him here. Oh, well, the Montana. That gives our Kremlin time to step onto B, and then maybe if we kill the Iowa? Opium? Nah. Oh, I'd rip. Well then!

00:32:14 Bummer. Ja, wenn ich ein paar mehr Hit Points hätte, würde ich wahrscheinlich nicht mehr sagen können. Ja, wenn es nicht R.I.P., dann müssen wir mit Leuten arbeiten. Und das heißt, wir können nicht darüber reden.

00:32:42 All right. What next? Does Chat have anything that they'd like to see us play? Or maybe we play some Unbreakable Line? Let's play some Unbreakable Line. I feel like being a bully now. If there's anybody left who hasn't tried this mode yet, please try it. It is so much ridiculous fun.

00:33:00 It really is. And you can get away with a lot of stuff in Unbreakable Line you just normally wouldn't try in Random Battles. I might try Petro in Unbreakable Line. Oh, you don't want to just do Viasma? Not that much of a troll. Oh, if we do Tier X, what would I bring? I play my two-heal Petro build.

00:33:24 Die 2-heel Petro build? Das ist gut. Ja, ich habe wirklich viel Spaß mit dem 2-heel Kremlund mit der Unique Upgrade. Aber es wurde geändert. Es wurde geändert. Es wurde geändert, sodass es nicht mehr so viel zu reduzieren. Es ist nicht so funny. Ja.

00:33:48 I don't know about Petro in this mode. It's fast in a straight line. It's pretty heavily armored. Got good gun. Wow. Good enough. Yeah. DPM is rough though. So if you get rushed by like a Mogador. Yeah, you're doomed. Apollo. You're pretty doomed. Doom!

00:34:18 It's dull? You were bored of it before it left PTS? No, that's heresy. Have you tried playing different ships than the meta ones? Because that's when it's hilarious. There's even a pretty wide variety of the meta ones to play. There are a lot of different ways you can play it with meta. I really enjoyed taking a Vermont and just parking it somewhere that was impossible to kill.

00:34:41 I had a lot of fun in the first variation of Unbreakable Line, where it was a Tier 8 and 9. I had a lot of fun playing a Torpedo Reulo Booster Kagero, or Yugumo, actually. I was bringing the Asasio in, because everybody was bringing in secondary battleships, and so I brought Asasio in a bunch, and just... Ooh, I don't think I've actually played Sea of Fortune yet on Unbreakable Line. Might go for between A and B here. Just park there.

00:35:13 I will remember to switch our screens this time. I'm just going to run it in. Yeah, that is the Unbreakable Line experience. Yeah, and Libertad is going to do Libertad things. If I'm lucky, I'll be able to do some good damage to a cruiser and then ram one of their Libertads. Do I have a ram flag? I hope so for Unbreakable Line. I certainly hope so. I think so. I think I see it on there.

00:35:43 Yoshino ist interessant, nicht sicher, ob ich mein Yoshino bringe. Oder Grisbane. Nein, Janan ist eigentlich auch sehr lustig. Ja, in der ersten Iteration von Unbreakable Align. Da waren die Dahlian? Ja. Die Tier IX. Das war eigentlich super nasty. Ja, ich bin auf ein Kick für ein paar, wo ich einfach nur bringe Janan in.

00:36:12 Und ich würde einfach nur mit einem großen Schmacken legen und ein paar Torps durch die Zeit. Die Citadel von Oregon auf 14 Kilometern. Das ist ein Wettbewerb. Die Besten, die Jannana ist, dass man alle Torps mit Torp Relo-Booster und dann die, alles wieder einmal. Weil die Konsumables wird gleich wieder zurückgegangen.

00:36:36 Play Smokehaba, Geishu. We'll certainly play it at some point tonight. Hello, Des Moines. Interesting, they're all going east of the islands here. What's even more interesting is I had HE loaded in my tubes. RIP. It's okay, your main guns are actually your secondary battery anyways. Hey, so what you're saying is they had manual secondary battery before it was cool. Exactly.

00:37:02 I'm just gonna let this Des Moines farm me a little bit so I can get the kill on them. Oh hi other Libertad. That's unfortunate. Why am I so stupid? You're just here to brawl. That's a very cool one.

00:37:17 Confirmed Yoshino's just a bit too long and vulnerable. Yeah, it is. Yoshino is the quintessential long range HE spammer, which is not... Laughs and bring me my commissar. Yeah, it's not quite the Unbreakable line meta. Oh, can I slip these torques? Can I slip these? I can't. I'm dead. Rip. Bonk.

00:37:42 Es ist okay, ein paar Torpedos sind ein Teil der Well-Balanced-Diet. Ja. Oh ja, das ist wirklich cool. Der Karten-Effekt, ein bisschen Boom-Destruction-Effekt. Boom-Cartoon. Der Karten-Effekt ist einfach nur mein Favorites. Die Orbital-Lasers sind meine Nr. 1 und dann die Karten-Effekt, kleine Schnells-Line-Round. Die Orbital-Lasers waren so troll, in der Flagship-Escort-Mode. Oh ja. Die Sound-Effekt.

00:38:12 So you'd be in a secondary ship, and you'd pop like three of those the moment they spawned, and just... hilarious. I think a teammate has the Napoli, might try to finish the Oregon here. Should get him. Yep. Yeah, we're doing pretty well so far. Doing much of anything. Everything is just giving me broadside. This is crazy.

00:38:41 Ja.

00:38:45 My play with Viasma, too, is to put it somewhere that's hard to kill, that people will have to basically walk past to get the cap. And it feels like everybody just played that. Like, well, I guess I have to poke the island to get the Viasma now. Every single time. I think my max has been like 11 citadels. Maybe I will use a heal here. Use one of my two heals. Oh, these shells are so nice.

00:39:14 Okay, I wasted a heal. That's why I was hesitant on actually pressing my heal. I figured I would just die instantly. Whoops. Yep. I mean, there's kind of that big question of like, is this actually worth my consumable? Will I survive? And will there be like a meaningful difference in the match outcome? Spoiler, it was not. Yeah. I've wasted so many consumables. This time, I think I'm going to go up the 8-9 line.

00:39:38 Das ist die interessante Sache über Unbreakable Line, ist das, dass du deine Konsumable Use hast, weil du sie nicht wiederholen kannst, wenn du Respawn hast. Also, es ist eine Frage, wie du, wie kannst du, wie kannst du, wie kannst du, wie kannst du, wie kannst du, wie kannst du, wie kannst du, wie kannst du, wie kannst du, wie kannst du, wie kannst du, wie kannst du, wie kannst du, wie kannst du, wie kannst du, wie kannst du, wie kannst du, wie kannst du, wie kannst du, wie kannst du, wie kannst du, wie kannst du, wie kannst du, wie kannst du, wie kannst du, wie kannst du, wie kannst du,

00:40:02 Ich liebe Udels. Ich liebe Udels. Ich liebe Udels. Ich liebe Udels. Ich liebe Udels. Ich liebe Udels. Ich liebe Udels. Ich liebe Udels. Ich liebe Udels. Ich liebe Udels. Ich liebe Udels. Ich liebe Udels.

00:40:33 The only saving grace is, I can't shoot with this. I'll switch to your screen since you're in the thick of it there. Oh boo. Watch me miss the Napoli. Oh. Oh. Hello Oregon. How are you today?

00:41:01 No Citadels on the Broadside Libertad, 11 Kilometers. Ja, es ist irgendwie das manchmal. Es hat eine ganz schön Citadel. Ja. Der Torpedo-Protektion ist ein Schell-Protektion. Ja.

00:41:28 I love this mode, it's so dumb. It's just, it's absolutely hilarious good fun. It's just chaos. Yeah. You have a lot of fun playing the non-meta ships usually. I'm playing Libertad just because. Non-meta ships he says as he plays Libertad. Yeah, as I play one of the most meta ones for this.

00:41:48 Um, next time I'll play something just really off base and try to have fun with it, try to make it work. What do you think the least metaship is for this mode? A least metaship? I mean, maybe Des Moines, honestly. Ooh. Yeah, I mean, Squishy kind of needs time to put its DPM to work. Um... Not great at just existing in a cap. Yeah, that doesn't really contest well unless it's supported. I love Des Moines in basically every other setting, but it's kind of rough here.

00:42:18 Um, Yamato as well. And by extension like Shikishima. The hybrid BBs like Louisiana. Hybrid BBs for sure, not meta. I guess I could try to do like a Louisiana game. Secondary Louisiana? Get all the secondary shooting across the... What is it? It's like across to the port side you can shoot like all the secondary guns because they shoot over the deck. Yeah. But they don't have improved dispersion so... No. They're pretty rough.

00:42:46 Was ist eine gute Not-Metad-Destroyer? Das ist wahrscheinlich... ... das relies auf ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...

00:43:13 Ich will nicht sagen, es ist aber nicht mehr als Meta für das. Oh ja, ich kann sie mit dem in, weil sie 2.9 Destroyer sind. Ich werde ihn jetzt nicht wiederholen. Ist er nicht gut? Ich habe zwei Schifte mit meinem Main Batterie, weil meine Schifte sind so gut. Ich bin nicht sogar mad. Was ist das, Shikashima? Ja, das ist lustig, dass ich eigentliche Shikashima habe. Er hat sich gerade gesagt, weil es nicht so gut in diesem Mode ist.

00:43:41 Ja, der Yamato-Hole wirklich nicht. Ja, Montana ist wahrscheinlich okay. Was ist passiert? Was ist passiert? Was ist passiert hier? Okay. Kronschdat. Ist das hier? Ich hoffe nicht.

00:43:58 Okay, that was very strange. 300,000 damage. Oregon was approaching me like he wanted to do a drive-by and turned in for the ram, turned too far into sail to cost my bow, beached on the island and died. That reminds me of an Archer episode from one of their fun seasons where, I forget the TV show.

00:44:25 But somehow they end up in an aerial duel in Stukas. And one of them pulls up and tries to do a cobra head. And exposes its belly to Pam, who's the gunner. And it's like, okay. Alright. If you're going to make it easy. Works in Top Gun sometimes. Yeah. Alright, let's actually see. What would be a non-meta boat? Yodo. For sure the Yodo is non-meta. Minotaur?

00:44:56 Vielleicht. Oder vielleicht Kassard? Nein, weil wenn du Klobär oder so bist, wenn du ein Klobär oder ein Klobär oder so bist du einfach nur in und bekommst. Ja. Man. Gibraltar. Plymouth.

00:45:25 Ich glaube, ich sehe ihn ein bisschen miserable. Schlava oder Smolensk? Both of those. Druid? Chat, was do you think is the least meta for Unbreakable Line? Barbiano, I see the Barbiano suggestion. Barbiano, yeah, that's, yep. And I go with the 40 Torp ship? I've got it. Kitakami players? I've got it.

00:45:51 Hey, do you want a Janan that's worse at cap control? Yeah, I'll give the Barbiano a try too. We can play the super high DPM. Super high DPM, yeah. Let's see how it goes. Worcester, I can see Worcester also not being great. Yeah, anything that relies on being at range and doing damage is not going to do great here, or like hiding its hull.

00:46:17 If you have to hide your hull and you can't soak up damage, you're going to be having a pretty bad time. I'm surprised I don't see that many Alaskas and Puerto Ricos because they can soak up a decent amount of frontal damage and they count as a cruiser. But why bring one of those when Viasma exists currently? They spawn with full HP.

00:46:40 I always forget about that one. Yeah, that's true. That's actually incredibly valid. Puerto Rico is a big brick of HP, right? So you're bringing an extra 40,000 hit points every time you reach it. You are bringing nearly twice as many hit points, I think, as mine.

00:46:54 Is that right? Des Moines is... Des Moines is, what, about 50,000? Yeah. 50,000 base, 54 with like SC? Yeah. Marseille? I think Marseille would actually be kind of meta. Marseille wouldn't be terrible, as long as, yeah. Maybe not super meta, just because it's not like a super high DPM. No, you'd probably put it in like C tier.

00:47:17 B tier, C tier. So it's strong frontally, so it can kind of hold an island. Yeah, it's super fast. It's strong frontally, and it has good guns with reload booster. So if anybody comes around and tries to peek you to get you off of your position in the cap, you're going to have a bad time. My shoulders sound like Rice Krispies. A little bit of crinkling going on.

00:47:44 Es ist nicht die Jahr, es ist die Mileage, Kids. Napoli? Wir sprechen über Non-Meta-Ships. Napoli ist so Meta. No, Napoli ist so Meta. Napoli ist so Meta. Genon, ich würde sagen, ist eigentlich so Meta, weil du hast die Torp Reload-Booster mit Deepwaters. Und so viele Leute bringen Battleships. Wenn du eine Squishy-Ship hast, ich denke Genon ist eine bessere Worte zu bringen, wie du sagst. Du hast die Torp Reload-Booster. Es hat die Torp Reload-Booster.

00:48:12 In the meantime, I'm in just the worst ship I could actually pick up for this. I mean, if you get the opportunity, you can do some damage. But yeah, it's definitely not... I mean, I don't think Barbiano is particularly fantastic either. I might go out to the 3-line and just see if I can shoot into the caps. Yeah, yeah. I'm gonna poke down 8-line and see if I can just get something cheeky down that way.

00:48:36 Ja, Viasma ist nicht die größte Bote in Random Battles. Es ist die größte Bote in Unbreakable Line. Nicht Meta in Tier X. Any Tech Tree should. Schlieffen, Libertad. Vermont, I would argue, ist eigentlich Hilarious in this mode. Because you could just remove somebody from literally anywhere on the map. Petro, I would actually say, ist pretty good. Petro Solid. Anything with frontal Resilience.

00:49:04 oder etwas zu helfen. Du kannst du ein altes Spieler sagen, dass du Masfa gesagt hast. Es ist Kohl jetzt. Es ist was? Masfa ist Kohl jetzt. Es ist Kohl? Oh. Das ist richtig, Petro. Es ist interessant, weil ich in mein head still consider Masfa und

00:49:34 Havarovsk as Tech Tree Ships, right? For a long time they were the Tech Tree Tier Tons. Well, when we were setting everything aside for the tiering list today for the Destroyers, I was like, yeah, of course, like Havarovsk. Nope. Try it again. Nope, try it again. This is what happens, they just lock me up most of the time.

00:49:56 We have to argue more interesting pick for a game mode It has that reload booster though if you can get it to jive but again It's a selfish damage dealing destroyer. You only have the one launcher base, right? I'm caught out and

00:50:25 Oh, no. Oh, no. There's nothing I can do. I can't really angle. He'll just put it through my superstructure and then pen may still. Oh, and a schliefen. Oh, no. Super dead. Super dead. In the meantime, I'm just going to shoot battleships out here.

00:50:47 Ja, 2 7ths of their team. You did get a decent chunk of damage off to Des Moines. You know you say that. There's only 26,000. Somebody else was doing the heavy lifting on that one. You were just beating him for your teammates.

00:51:14 Ja, ich meine, es war, als ich nur meine Vorwärts hatte, und meine Batterie boosts, dann war es halt so... Ich habe ein Unlimited Main... Oh, und es kommt auch voll an every time you recharge. Walk in, Reload Boost, somebody die, und dann wieder wieder. Das ist es möglich. Das ist genau was wir werden. Das ist genau was wir werden. Das ist genau was wir werden. Das ist genau was wir werden. Das ist genau was wir werden. Das ist genau was wir werden. Du hast die Secret-Austin-Technologie. Ja.

00:51:43 Is there another phase of the PD server starting tonight to finish off the missions? I don't think it starts tonight, but there will be another round of PTS, yes. Maybe really late tonight? Starts Thursdays, usually for North America. Thursday early morning, like tonight? Early, late morning, 10 a.m., something like that. Might come up and late tonight. There's probably an article that covers it. Thanks, Oregon.

00:52:12 Ich habe den Hüregümmo in den Hüregümmen. Ja. Ich sollte ihn nicht mehr sehen. Oh, hey, look, ihr schliefen. Hey, buddy, remember me? Back with the Reload Booster? No, I just respawned, so...

00:52:31 I'm actually contributing, like, nothing here. Kind of funny. Yeah, I'm effectively doing nothing. I'm actually, I think, a detriment to this team. I have 34,000 damage. At least I'm making the Des Moines just sit there and shoot at me instead of doing anything else as well. I mean, sure. That's something.

00:52:56 Ja, ja. Ja, ja.

00:53:15 Can't shoot anything anymore. Love this Kerr first. Oh, you got a sleep coming for ya? Yeah, that's definitely not what I want to see, actually. I'd rather see any other ship. Oh, you mean you don't want a ship that you're in their secondary range the moment that you're in, or they're in your primary? I think I can go use the island here to shoot at it. It'd be a shame if you caught on more fires, Kerr first, after you just shaved off half my hit points.

00:53:41 Oh cool, I'm Radar, so it doesn't matter. Doesn't even matter if I use a heal, cause like, who cares? I get knocked over by the wind. Yeah. Seeing the absolute rain of sap shells and barbianos.

00:54:03 There's something, like, necessarily satisfying about it. I still remember when the Colbert first came out. It's like, you can just walk along these shell arcs to get to your enemy. I'm building a bridge. Yeah, you just build a bridge of hatred towards whatever ship you picked to farm. What's at the end of the rainbow? Pain. A very angry bruiser. Yeah, just pain. I might get another kill here. Look, Adriatica. Switch back to you.

00:54:35 Ja, I'm dead. Shocker. Bonus points. I have Reload Booster back now. True. The Infinite Charges actually is a pretty funny thing for us. It's actually hilarious. Die, Reload, Boost, Repeat.

00:55:00 Es ist ein Schade, dass mein Rang nicht lang genug ist, um zu immediately farm mit es. Ja, du musst in ein bisschen gehen. Ja, du musst in ein bisschen unkomfortablieren. Rang mod Austin, Unbreakable Align Meta. Oh, no.

00:55:15 Um, let's see, I might actually be able to burst this Harguma down because he's kind of hanging out a little bit too long. Yes! Get him, get him! Oh, he started pulling forward, but that's funny. That's really funny. It's so troll. Watch his HP vanish. It's so troll.

00:55:38 Okay, so basically plays the same as Janan, you just... And you just sit at an awkward angle and just remove HP from people? Yeah. Alright, I need to get a little bit closer now. Just reload, boost, die, repeat. It's kind of funny, just sitting at like an awkward angle for them and just raining Sapsules.

00:56:02 Fun and engaging gameplay. Yep. I mean, it doesn't have to be fun and engaging for everybody. Fun and engaging for me. You don't like being on the receiving end of 300 snap shells in 30 seconds? I mean...

00:56:28 Wenn ich nur 55 Sekunden habe, kann ich noch ein Reload-Booster bekommen.

00:56:35 Es ist nicht so gut, aber es ist einfach so gut, aber einfach so fun zu spielen. Ja, das wäre für Broadbiano. Ja. Es ist definitiv nicht die meisten Meta-Meta-Ships, aber ich meine, es ist etwas über den absoluten Volumen der Fire setzt, das macht es so lustig. Especially wenn du, wenn du, wie, tatsächlich tatsächlich so manage zu facecheck a Destroyer. Ja, ja. Die Diver. Der Immediate Panic, du kannst es in der Augen sehen. Oh, ja. Ich bin in Danger.

00:57:00 Ja, ich meine, es ist eine neue Steelship, und die meisten Menschen sind für Borgons und die anderen Meta-Steels. Und gute Ships. Hey, Barbiano ist... ...decent.

00:57:21 Ist das Poison Beeching? Ich denke, es ist, richtig? Ja, es ist es. Ich wünsche mir das Adriatico. Ich kann wirklich... Ich kann das... Ich kann das... Ich kann das... Ich kann das... Ich kann das... Ich kann das... Ich kann das... Ich kann das... Ich kann das... Ich kann das... Ich kann das... Ich kann das...

00:57:43 Killing your enemies is this team playing. It's helping your team. Technically. We actually had one of my medics back in the day used to always say him carrying a gun was the equivalent of preventative medicine. I'm like, well, just stay behind me still, Doc. I get it, but don't get in the stack, please. If one of us starts leaking, I'm going to want somebody to know what they're doing.

00:58:14 Ich bin eigentlich nicht leid. Ich bin so fast. Ja. Das ist ein Problem. Ja, das ist ein Problem. Ja, das ist ein Problem. Ich bin definitiv nicht helfen, aber... Es wäre schön, wenn jemand anderes etwas tun würde. Ja, ich gehe jetzt in da und in der Schwierigkeit.

00:58:36 We do have a fresh wave of battleships coming in and I've diverted the kerfers to off the map over here. Oh, that's helpful. We'll have some more damage on the schliefen here. Der Moyne, where it is, is actually kind of frustrating because nobody went out the eight line to dig him out. Yeah, we would need somebody out wide. Yeah, that is actually kind of frustrating. We'll have to shoot at him.

00:59:07 Let's see if I can work down the sh- Random Torps, I choose you! Hey, there's Letro Torps on that, Austin. They're not terrible. Yeah. Have you been beaching? Yep. Oh, I'm reversing into the Kripper's Hydro. Uh-oh. I think I'm probably going to have my first death here soon.

00:59:33 Ich werde noch ein paar Dämmchen auf den Krippern, bevor ich die. Wenn ich nur eine Torpedos hatte.

00:59:48 Alright, we got a couple of kills, refusing the caps. Points are close. I'm gonna die here probably. Oh, I got a Torbid on a Haridumo! And I got Reload Booster up just in time to... You were saying about the random Torps? Oh, that's so funny. But at what cost? We're at me, Preusson's gonna just absolutely punish me here. Yeah. Well, we have ships on A now, though. Yeah, yeah, we got position.

01:00:15 Am I actually going to kill this? Basically next kill wins

01:00:23 Oh, okay, yeah. Did we actually draw? No! I didn't die? Yes! Oh, man. I didn't even realize we were hitting the top limit there. At the tick over, we got a kill. They got one just a little bit too late to tie it up. Wow. Wow. Alright. Yeah, Preussen just did. We got second and third. Not too bad for the troll ship picks. That's what I'm saying, though. The most fun I have in this mode is non-meta ships.

01:00:51 I actually didn't even see the timer there. I was like, oh man. Yeah, it was like basically next kill won, because everything was... Neither of us could have gained points in time.

Tier List Diskussion: Zerstörer im Wettbewerb

01:01:05

01:01:05 GK Melted? Ja. Glorious, Glorious App Spam. Oh, man. I was Barbiano. Well, we're about halfway through. Should we do the ship tier? We are just about halfway through. We can certainly get started. Let me pull it up here. Unfortunately, I don't think I can share it directly with you, but I will call out which ships we're doing as we go through.

01:01:26 So what we're gonna do, Chat, is we have 15 Tech Tree Destroyers at Tier X now in the game, with the addition of Burrows, that's currently in Early Access. Legionnaire and I are gonna sit down, and we're gonna rate them on two scales, which is fun and competitiveness. Boggy and I did a few of these in the past for, I think, the Steel and the Research Bureau ships, and kinda wanna keep the fun going, so we're gonna go ahead and hit the Tier X Tech Tree Destroyers.

01:01:52 One of my favorites. I love Destroyers. Destroyers are the bomb. I love Destroyers. So, I have all the ship images here, and I actually did write down all the names in advance and order. So, going from left to right here, we have Daring, Burrows, Kassard, Elbing, Delnein, Gdansk, Grozovoid, Harigumo, Holland, Gearing, Kleber, Rigolo, Shimakaze, Yuyang, and Z-52 for a total of 15.

01:02:20 So, why don't we kick things off with the fun list? Unless you want to do competitive first. We can do the competitive list first. I guess that's probably a heavy topic that requires some discussion, whereas the fun list is just trolly. Alright, so, Darren, competitiveness. What's your rating? We're doing S tier at the top, all the way down to D tier for the bottom. It used to be. Back in the day, it used to be a must-take.

01:02:49 Ja, ich würde sagen... Aber ich glaube, es ist nicht mehr. Es ist eine kann-tache, wenn du die Meta hast, oder du hast eine bestimmte Use. Oder wenn du genug Ship Bands hast in play oder Restriction hast. Ja, so wahrscheinlich in der A-Tier. Vielleicht in der B-Tier, weil die Meta hat so viel verändert, seit Gearing war. Ja, es ist interessant. Ich würde sagen, bis bis über Season...

01:03:13 Ja, absolut.

01:03:38 So I think you're right that it probably places it more towards A or B in the current year. I would personally still place it towards A, especially just because I think on certain maps, these single torpedoes give it a lot of utility. I know, and that's the thing, it's kind of a hard one. We started with a little bit of a harder one to place, because it used to be S. Could definitely be B tier in the wrong settings, but could absolutely be solidly A tier in the right settings.

01:04:06 So if you're looking at tournaments, you know what the ship bands are, you know what the maps you're in. I would say probably, that's actually an interesting thing, because tournaments and clan battles is definitely an entirely separate competitive thing. Because clan battles, I don't think, the torpedoes are situational in that setting. I would say for CBs, it definitely lands more towards B and tournaments for A. But I think personally, I'm going to throw it into A, just because I think it is strong enough in the right settings.

01:04:35 Chat may disagree with us, we'll see. I also just really like the Daring a lot. Yeah, it has a lot of sentimental value for me. Alright, the next one will actually probably be hard to place on the competitive scale, which is Burrows. We obviously don't have a lot of experience yet with the ship in terms of competitive settings. I don't think a lot of people are playing it in the current Clan Battle season, if at all.

01:05:00 The Time Smoke, I think, gives it kind of an interesting niche, maybe, but it's kind of hard to see too much of a competitive role for it, given that... It's selfish. The Time Smoke is selfish because each puff doesn't stay around long. So even if you do smoke somebody all the way to their firing position, it doesn't stay. You're basically looking at kind of like the Vampire 2 style of smoke, where you have that long one smoke to get somebody into a position, maybe, but otherwise doesn't have a lot of utility.

01:05:29 Und Long Range Damage Farmer ist nicht wirklich die Rolle du bist für ein Destroyer in competitive settings. Es ist kind of fat, auch, wenn es zu Maneuverung ist. Es ist nicht so, wie ein Kleber, dass du eine oder zwei Dinge kannst. Du kannst nur auf den Wiggle oder auf French Saturation. Ja, genau. So, du hast die gleiche Staying Power. Es ist kind of Thickems. Du hast keine Torpedo Power.

01:05:55 I'd probably put it, without having played Clan Battles or Competitive with it, I'd probably still put it in C-Tier. Until, like, I see otherwise. Honestly, for me, for Competitive-wise, I might even throw this straight into D-Tier. In D-Tier, yeah. Just because for Competitive, you're looking for some utility aspect, right? Either it can outspot other Destroyers, or it has a useful Team Smoke. Which it doesn't.

01:06:17 Which it doesn't. Or it has some kind of special survivability tool. Which is a saturation appeal. Which it doesn't. Yeah, yeah. I'd probably put it in D tier. It is good fun. I recommend trying out the American line. If you don't want to try it out in Early Access, don't. But when it comes out, if you're a Destroyer fan, try out the line. Maybe just leave it in the dock when Clan Battles comes around.

01:06:42 Yeah, I would say, honestly, even for Ranked, it might be fine, just because in Ranked, you can do a lot more work just by annoying the enemy team. You can also be selfish in Ranked. It's five people, it's small format, they're usually not highly coordinated. You can be selfish. But for Clan Battles and Tournaments, leave it in port. Would agree. Alright, so we have our first Eater, actually. Wow, I think that's kind of early. Next up, we have another one that I actually don't have a lot of personal experience with, which is Kassard.

01:07:10 In terms of competitive utility, I think this often tends to be seen as like a lower tier Kleber. Yeah. Or so, in that when those two ships aren't available, maybe you bring a Cassard. I've seen a few, like two or three Cassard picks in COTS, but I wouldn't say it's near the top performers. It's kind of one of those weird ones. The torpedoes give me pause on this.

01:07:39 The Torps are nasty, for sure. The Torps are nasty, but kind of only up close.

01:07:46 Well, the thing is, right, when you have a Kleberra, you have nasty torpedoes, but they only go the 8km. Whereas with Cassard, you have the really nasty torpedoes within that short range, but if you're not in range, then at least they still hit something, right? That is true. Your main battery, though, you're looking at kind of more of the Marcel main battery, so you don't get the really good ballistics that you get out of the 139s.

01:08:12 I don't know. I haven't played it in competitive. It's definitely kind of an awkward ship. And again, I haven't played it a lot either in competitive, so I don't have a lot of personal experience to work off with this one. But I think it does have some things going on. Does it have saturation? The same hole saturation as...

01:08:30 Ich glaube, es geht nicht um mich, aber ich glaube, es geht. Okay. So es ist ein Mersault-Lite? Ja, die Sache ist, es hat das Powerful Engine Boost, aber es hat die High Base Speed, so es kann still go pretty quick. Ja. So B or C, bring, if missing, one of the other. Ich würde sagen,

01:08:54 Ja, ich würde sagen, bring this if you can't bring the Marseille oder Clever, otherwise... ...probably leave it at home. Did we just spoil the S tier? Is there anybody surprised? Would anybody be surprised? Alright, next up we have another one that's actually probably on the easier side, which is the Elbing.

01:09:22 Das Problem ist, dass es das Trap ist, wenn ich ein Bruiser Cross-Side bekomme.

01:09:50 Ja, ich habe schon seit 8 Uhr gearbeitet. A Cruiser Broadside. Ja, es ist großartig. Aber wo ist das passiert? Ja, ich meine, was ich wollte mit den Time Battles haben, war das stealthy ship, das könnte einen Crossfire auf der Weak-Side, einfach mit dem Concealmen. Aber die Problem ist, wenn du etwas schießt, es schießt zurück. Ja, und du bist, und du bist, und du bist, und du bist, und du bist. Ja, und du bist, und du bist, und du bist, und du bist, und du bist. Ja, so again, wir waren über das...

01:10:18 Für eine Destroyer, du hast die Utilität, hat es ein Bad Smoke, aber es ist nicht gut, hat es nicht gut, hat es nicht wirklich eine Survivability Tools, hat es nicht wirklich was du für ein Competitive Destroyer. Wenn du Destroyer hast, besonders auf Damage-Dealing, da sind immer Cruisers zu bringen, dass du es besser in einem Competitive-Setting. Und Damage-Dealing zu etwas anderes als Cruisers. Das ist wirklich was...

01:10:46 Elbing does well. And it's a bruiser at it. It can really punish a broadside cruiser. But you're going to see a lot of bow-in or kiting cruisers. You're not going to... So I think easy D tier for this one. Just not super viable. The next one up is actually another interesting one that I think my opinion on has changed a lot since I had my first impression, which is Delney.

01:11:13 The first time we saw Delnian competitive was Asian teams bringing it in King of the Sea. And I was absolutely confounded. I was like, why would anybody bring this ship? Why would anybody bring this ship? Interesting. And it took a while for me to warm up to it because they kept bringing it. Teams kept bringing it. And they started doing pretty well with it. And then eventually a few EU teams caught onto it as well and started using it to pretty good effect in tournaments too. And really, the reason why it's somewhat effective is that...

01:11:42 Ja. Ja.

01:12:11 Ja, und das ist ein interessantes Punkt. Die survivability ist da. Es hat decenter Torpedos an 10 km. Es hat die Sovjet 130s. Ja, du hast... ...wonderful guns. Ja, du hast eine gut all-around Package, wo es nicht die besten DPM hat, aber du hast sehr comfortable Ballistik. Ja. Du hast gut range, das ist wichtig für ein Gunboat Destroyer. Und dann, die zwei wichtigste Dinge, ich würde sagen, ist wirklich die Speed und die Heel. Ja.

01:12:39 Ja, 10k ist nicht gut, aber es ist besser als 8k. Ja, sie sind nicht gut, aber es ist besser als 8k. Ja, sie sind nicht gut, als auf den Haberrofs, sie wirklich nicht so gut sind, als für Torpedo Rushen. Oh ja, was ist Haberrofs range? Es ist 11km base und dann kann man es um 13km mit der Unique Upgrade, plus der Skill.

01:13:06 So yeah, I would say Delany rates a solid B for me. Yeah. I don't have enough experience with it to fully rate it, but I think the survivability will probably put it up above some of the other options that fill that role of just being an annoying survivable ship. And again, we're talking about, like when we say competitive, it's a very broad umbrella term, right? It is, yeah. Like in the current Clan Battles environment, you really won't see Delany's at all, all that much at all. All that much at all.

01:13:32 But in the tournament setting, again, where you're working with different restrictions and ship bands per map and that kind of thing, Delany tends to have much more of a role. Yeah, and that's... I remember we did a points-based system, too, for... I forget the tournament series. Worship Masters. Yeah, Worship Masters, where you have to decide what you're going to invest your points in. And if this is the only destroyer you can afford at the end of building the rest of your list...

01:13:57 Probably still not a bad idea. Which is funny you bring that up, because we have Elving in D tier right now, but for Last Warship Masters, Elving I think was the most picked ship in the tournament. Was it just super low points cost? Because it was ridiculously cheap, right? So teams brought it because it was cheap and it had a smoke. Yep. So yeah, context is everything, but kind of just going for a general umbrella rating here. So what you're saying really at the end of all of this is that the best answer is the lawyer answer. It depends. It depends. Absolutely.

01:14:26 Alright, next up I think we have actually another pretty easy rating, which is Gdansk.

Gdansk: Ein S-Tier-Kandidat für Competitive

01:14:32

01:14:32 I haven't played competitive since it's gone in. Fair enough. I have to imagine it's pretty powerful because of the utility. Yep. It's just, I call it the Gdank for a reason, because I played it quite a bit when it first came out. Yeah, I think for me, Gdansk is straight to S tier. Yeah, I mean. We see this ship so often in a lot of different formats. Smoke and radar. Again, the key ingredients we're talking about for competitive, utility. We have a smoke, we have a fast cooldown radar.

01:15:01 Even though the radar only lasts about 10 seconds base, right? It cools down so quickly. It's an amazing tool to use for controlling caps. And you're not looking to... It's not like a Des Moines radar, where you're looking to focus the destroyer and kill it on spot. You are just forcing it out of the cap to get the caps first. Get it off the cap and get a few pay damage off of it. Yeah, I see A pluses in straight to A in chat.

01:15:26 I think it's S. I would say S, easily. I think Gdansk is definitely one of the strongest competitive ships we've released in recent memory. It just has all the tools that we talk about, right? It has the good guns, it has decent torpedoes that are very fast, so again, also useful against enemy destroyers. It has the radar, it has the smoke, it has a fast base speed. It's not amazing at taking damage, it doesn't have any great survivability tools other than the smoke. I mean, Smoke Generator, though, is if you...

01:15:54 Manage the radar as well. Smoke generator is a good survivability tool. Yeah, but I think even like 9k radar. Yeah, 9km. You can stealth radar a Salem. Yeah. You can radar the Salem from outside of its radar range. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, that's just hilarious. Alright, now we have another one, which...

01:16:23 Ich denke, da ist ein bisschen viel zu reden, das ist die Großevoit.

01:16:29 This is one that I think... I want to love it in Competitive so much. This is an interesting one because you kind of think maybe it'll fill a similar role as the Delney, for example, right? But it just doesn't quite have, I'd say, enough of the usefulness. It suffers from the fact that it's a good boat, it does a lot of different things, and it does it moderately well.

01:16:54 But it doesn't do any one thing very well. Right. And when you're picking a ship for comp, you're usually, like, generally looking for something that fills a specific role very well. Yeah. And it just, like I said, I want to love this in competitive so much. And we tried to make it work a few times because it has the heal. It has the smoke. It has the speed boost. It has very good guns. It has serviceable torpedoes. And this might sound a little bit weird.

01:17:23 like the defensive fire when somebody is like close to you and has a spotter planer actually kind of useful um it's really weird but like if you have it you might as well like use it for some kind of utility so it has all the utility the problem is like stuff does what it's supposed to do better yeah i will say we we see it rarely very rarely in tournaments still sometimes um just because it does have that like generalist blend

01:17:51 Ich werde meine Old Man hat auf ein bisschen und wir sprechen über den alten Clan-Battle-Seasons, die es sehr gut ist. Ja. In Season 8 von Clan-Battles, wenn wir die Club Air-Comp haben, wenn unsere Main-Oponenten, 07, um ihre eigene Club Air-Comp haben, wir verwendet unsere Chimikaze für Grasavoid mit dem Club Air-Pack, weil wir ein Destroyer brauchen, das ein bisschen mehr Stealth ist und könnte eigentlich contesten die Caps.

01:18:17 But it also needed to add guns to the Kleber fight. Be able to fight it. And not die horribly. And the Grosvoi kind of filled all those rules. So there was a couple of seasons where it was quite useful. Very early in its lifespan, too, it was quite useful. Because there wasn't a lot of utility at the Destroyer level. Yeah. Everybody basically had the same utility. Aside from Yu Yang, which had...

01:18:38 Was kind of crazy. Was a little monstrous for a season or two. But now in today's environment, I'd say Grasvor is our first C-tier ship. Yeah. I want so badly to like it in that setting because it just does everything so gracefully. It's weird to say that about the ship, but it shoots well, its torpedoes are good, it has good base stats, it has good survivability, it has a lot of useful... But I would trade three of those for radar. Yeah.

01:19:07 Like the Gdansk up there in S. Exactly. The Gdansk trades 2 for Radar. Even if we're comparing Gdansk and Grazboy directly, you're basically giving up the heal for the Radar. And it just kind of does the torpedo and gun things even a little bit better. Yeah, I would say Graz is C. Maybe in some situations it moves up to a B, but...

01:19:31 I can't think of any where I would want to take it over a Daring, even in the current setting. Just because if you're going to be taking something in that tier, you're looking at a very specific niche to fill. Yeah, like if I'm taking a 6km Concealed Destroyer, I'd just rather have the Daring and be able to contest caps a little bit. Exactly. Yeah, it's not get torped in your smoke. Next up we have a pretty interesting one, which is Harugumo.

Harugumo: Zwischen S-Tier und D-Tier

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01:19:59 This is actually a fun one, because there's a certain summing to Haragumo. Man, I could say it goes anywhere, for me, it goes anywhere from probably like S tier to D tier. Really, depending on what you're going to do with it. That's a wild swing from unique mod Haragumo with the smoke. I want to see, does Chat know, Chat, what would possibly make Haragumo S tier? Why would we even consider putting Haragumo in S tier?

01:20:28 What's the reason? You kind of gave it away already. I know, I did already. They know, it's the unique upgrade, right? Hard demo is really good. Spoiler, it's not the DPM. Because you give some of that up. It's really good for basically exactly one rule in competitive, which is being the smoke bomb.

01:20:50 What is your purpose? You smoke everybody. Oh my god. Not only that, but it's mostly useful in a specific combination, which is with the Nevsky. Yes. And that's because the Nevsky adds a 12-kilometer radar, right? Where you don't need something that's a stealthy destroyer to spot for you because you have the 12-kilometer radar. Yeah. It's nasty in that combination. And it's just all smoke all the time. And I mean, like... But that's the funny thing, because if you don't have that...

01:21:16 und ihr versucht es als die Baseline Destroyer. Es ist quasi sofort D-tiered. Es tut nichts außer DPM, es ist sehr selbisch. Der Grund, warum du eine S für Nefsky Smok hast, ist, dass wenn du Nefsky Smok hast, du den Harygum over etwas wie Gearing. Weil du hast die gleiche Level-Smoke Utilität, aber du hast nicht die Spotting Utilität aus dem Gearing. Die Harygum Torps sind servisbar genug, und es hat die Torpedo Reload Booster. Und dann wirklich die wichtigste Sache...

01:21:43 Das ist, dass das Nefsky-Smoke ist, dass das Nefsky-Smoke ist, dass es etwas, was es aus dem Smoke zu pushen, richtig? Ja. Und zu tun das, du musst das Ding schießen. Und das Harygummo eigentlich adds genug damage zu der Nefsky-Smoke, dass es sehr hart, wenn nicht zuhause, dass das. Ja. Especially, Nefsky, bei sich selbst, ist eigentlich fast in Nibble, too. Und so, du hast das enormes Smoke zu manöver in, das ist einfach immer auf. Ja, so, ich denke, für mich, um, just...

01:22:10 Based on the most optimal thing you can do with Hargumo, I want to throw it up in S tier. But good to note with the contextual S tier. I don't have it in my port currently, because I'm a serial resetter for that. But if you don't have the Nevsky, if it's banned, if Nevsky just isn't in the tournament, or a few other factors, then Hargumo's just not as useful and you just wouldn't bring it. So yeah, just gotta keep that in mind.

01:22:40 What's spotting outside radar cooldown? That's the fun thing, is that normally with the Nevsky smoke composition, you don't really need the destroyer spotting. You have the radar cooldown on the Nevsky, and then you usually have a secondary radar ship taking an island position like a Maswa, or you bring a Gdansk as your second destroyer, right? And you don't actually even really need that traditional destroyer spotting role, because what you're doing is taking the cap control, making the enemy team have to push the cap, and then just chaining radars, right? And playing a very strong control game.

01:23:09 Oh, and it's just, the DPM on that is... Yeah, it's nasty. Like Gidanski-Hargumo is an absolutely wicked combination. S tier with an asterisk? Yes, yeah. It is definitely conditional. S tier. It is so funny that it can kind of simultaneously, it's Schrodinger's Destroyer, because it can simultaneously exist in S and then probably off the list past D. If you open the box and there's a Nevsky in there with it, then... Yes, yep.

01:23:38 Exactly. Alright, next up we have Hallant.

Halland, Gearing, Kleber und weitere Zerstörer im Competitive

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01:23:44 Which for competitive, you don't see very much, I would say. Kind of for good reason. It doesn't outspot anything. It can't hit the smoke bomb. Its torpedoes aren't punchy, so you already don't land a whole lot of torpedoes in competitive anyway. People know to angle to destroy your positions, right? So it's one strength, which is like a lot of fast torpedoes, is kind of null and void.

01:24:11 Its other strength, which is, you know, survivability is good, except you're not survivable enough, in my mind, to really trade off. Yeah, like you got the heal, but it's not a super heal. I get, I mean, what's in B tier now? Daring and... In B tier we have... Daring and Delny? We have Kassard and Delny, and Daring's up in A here. Daring's in A.

01:24:39 I mean, I would definitely take a Holand before I take an Elbing, for example. Yes, I would too. I guess probably B-tier. It's not the worst choice you can make, but it just... I mean, it's a decent all-rounder, but I'm also hesitant to put it into B-tier, even, to be honest. I think it might go next to Grosvoi for me, personally. Yeah, I feel like it does kind of fill the same role as Grosvoi, where it's...

01:25:08 If you're a CV, you don't want to come across either of those boats. They both have good defensive, potent defensive fire. I mean, that's a good conditional. Like, during the CV Clan Battle seasons, for example, Haaland was definitely one of the most picked Destroyers, but we don't see CV seasons anymore in Clan Battles. Kotz hasn't had them since the RTS days, really. Ranked is probably not bad. You can play selfishly, which Haaland kind of is, because one of the things with Haaland is, like, if there's a Destroyer that outspots you...

01:25:36 you just lose that fight every time. You don't get to determine your engagement very well. But in ranks, where you can kind of play a little bit more selfishly, you don't have to go up, you're not expecting to contest, you don't have better options for gunboats, because you're basically either contesting cap or you are an annoyance in farming. And Holland doesn't farm very well and doesn't contest caps very well. It's a little bit too much of a generalist in terms of that. So I think...

01:26:06 Was ships are in what tier right now? So in S tier right now we have the Gdansk and the Harugumo. The Gdank. The Gdank is definitely, I think, like S plus even. How do you even put it S plus? It's just ridiculously good. I need to play it more. I should build a captain for it real quick. It's a fun ship even in randoms, just playing it solo. It's just a spicy meatball all around. In A tier we have Daring. It's for the...

01:26:33 The Cap Contesting Utility, the Single Fire Torps, does bring a lot to the table for competitive settings. In B Tier, we have Kassard and Delny. Both pretty interesting ships. Delny is one that I would initially have put into D Tier when I first saw it, but I've kind of been won over by it over the course of a few tournaments. In C, we have Graservoy and what we just discussed in Holland. Then in D Tier, we have the Elbing and... Oh god, what was the other one? The Burrows? Yeah, the Burrows.

01:27:02 2XS, cheers again. G'dank and Haruguma.

01:27:07 Ja. Ja.

01:27:33 So you don't have as many big dumb battleships to shoot at. And the other thing to mention actually is that in competitive battleships are much more limited than they are in randoms. Oh yeah. Where you have two in COTS and one in clan battles usually. So you just have less big targets in general for the torpedoes.

01:27:51 It is what it is. Alright, next up we have the old classic from 2015, the Gearing. Oh. Poor Gearing. Gearing is old faithful. It does so much so well, especially with the Legendary mod. It has good usable smoke that will kind of help your team out.

01:28:15 We still see a decent amount of gearing in Competitive. The Torpedos are really good. Yeah, the Torps are really good. The Spotting Utility with the Unique Upgrade is really good. It does, I would say, fall a little bit short of Harugumo and the specific Devski combination, but other than that, I would say it's still one of the best General Smokers for your team. Yeah, and if your Spotting Destroyer goes down, it can flex. That's something that Harugumo kind of can't really do.

01:28:44 Man, I don't know. I still want to put it up there.

01:28:47 Probably in A-Tier with Daring. Yeah, I think I would agree. It feels comfy in that role. All other things, depending on restrictions, depending on what you already have, depending on the map. Gearing I can see some utility in. Chat, do you guys agree in gearing for A-Tier? Wow, that actually gives us a very even distribution too. I swear we didn't find ourselves. I'm actually not surprised because the Destroyers have really focused themselves into

01:29:17 Ja, ich meine, fair genug.

01:29:38 Um, again, the main reason why Haru is an S is just because of the... Literally just the Legendary. Right, there's the unique upgrade for it, and there's the Nevsky that you pair it with. And then outside of that, it definitely falls a little bit shorter than, like, the general role that a Gearing can fill. Um, but just because of how strong that combo is, I think Haru deserves the S. Yeah. Alright, it's just... It's one of those things that's like, S, but... Yeah. Alright, we have a fun one coming up next. Do you actually, do you recognize the Ship Icon? Uh...

01:30:07 Sorry, it's kind of hard to lean over. Is that Regolo? No. Before the Regolo, we have the Kleber. Kleber. All the way to S tier. Straight to S, do not Pascal. Chat agrees. I see a couple of S's. Yeah, it's S tier, guys. There's no way around that. Yeah, so Kleber is a super fun one. We'll talk a little bit about it for the less competitively experienced in chat.

01:30:36 Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja.

01:31:02 Normally, Destroyers, when they are shot in the midsection, do not saturate, so they will always take full damage. French Destroyers, on the other hand, have special saturation where their midsection does saturate. Yep. So, functionally, it actually kind of has, like, I would say 30 to 45% more effective hit points than its hit point pool would indicate. Which is already big. Right? That's basically three heals built in. Yeah. So, it basically has heals built into the ship, which is insanely good.

01:31:31 So... I remember back to the days when Literibla entered the game and everybody panicked, oh my gosh, Destroyer, no smoke, going to be bad! And now it's S tier for competitive. Basically, like, that style of play is S tier. Yeah, I remember the first Clan Battle season that Clever was available in, I was like, hey guys, for fun, for the memes, do you guys want to try running four Clevers?

01:31:58 Oh, wir haben nicht.

01:32:27 So, we'll talk about that in the future, actually. Yeah, if you all like these. The speed, right? You just get to position so much quicker than everything else. You can rotate faster than everything else. You shoot things better than most other destroyers. It's just a ridiculous package all around for competitive. So, yeah. Is there anything more to say about Kleber? No, it's just... It's Kleber. We have the list of the names of the ships. Can certainly provide them...

01:32:56 Unfortunately, I don't have the names with the images here, but we can take another brief look at the list here. We have Daring, Harigumo, Kleber, and S. In A tier, we have Daring and Gearing. In B tier, we have Kassard and Delny. C tier, we have Grazaboy and Hollande. D tier, we have the Burrows and the Elwing. And then unrated as of yet, our last four, we have Rogolo, Shimakaze, Yoyang, and Z52.

Regolo, Shimakaze, Yu Yang und Z52 im Competitive

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01:33:23 just go ahead and put rigolo down at d so yeah again kind of a theme here with like what the ships in each tier list or each tier share right um the rigolo is

01:33:44 Es ist irgendwie wie die Klibber wir haben. Wenn du nicht Paolo Melio hast, du benutzt Regolo. Ja, so Regolo, wie auf der Surface. Let's compare it to Klibber. Ich mag es nicht, aber ich mag es. Wir haben Punchy Guns.

01:34:03 Ja. Ja. Ja.

01:34:23 All these things sound good, but they just don't... No, I remember y'all talking about Sevastopol, and how it has all of these things that make you want to like it in that setting, and it just...

01:34:33 Ja, für einen Fall, es einfach nicht funktioniert. Ja, es gibt ein paar Dinge. All die Parts of the Recipe sind da, aber nicht zu dem Degree, wie Sie sie brauchen. Ja, aber warum nicht die Ingredienste kommen zusammen? Für Regolo ist es weil es eine sehr shorte Main-Battery range hat. Ja. Das wurde ein bisschen geöffnet, aber es ist noch nicht. Ein bisschen, aber du bist in der ganzen Radar. Und all diese Radars sind mit guns mit guten Ballistiken. Ja. Mit einem faten, Slow-Turning Destroyer. Ja.

01:35:01 So, the low main battery range... You're gonna eat damage. ...not great. No. Then you also have to consider that the gun firing angles, the angles from which you, like how much broadside you have to show to actually fire your guns, is not great. You have to show a lot of side. Whereas something like the Colbert, you can be almost perfectly stern or bow in and shoot all your guns. So it's just more vulnerable to taking damage in that sense. Yeah. The maneuverability is not amazing.

01:35:30 Quite a bit. On your rudder shift. Over the club player. Which can sit at longer range than you. And it also has a smaller turning radius. If I remember correctly. So like. You're kind of big. And fat. And slow. Right. And then again. While it is fast and short duration. The speed boost doesn't last for very long. Whereas the club airs last for like 3.5 minutes.

01:35:55 So you really don't have the long-term utility. So unfortunately all the ingredients don't really tie it together into a good competitive ship. It is a lot of fun in randoms and we will get to that. But overall I would just say not too great. You almost never see the ship in competitive. Next up we have Shima. Which in my opinion used to be a competitive classic. You see a little bit less now. But we have seen a few teams use it and came to see including even some Kotz wins from Rain.

01:36:23 um putting some putting some insane torpedo play out with the shima so i feel like it still has a limited niche but i don't think it goes maybe even near a i would say maybe a solid b for it i think it's an incredibly solid b tier because it fits one role and it does it almost perfectly and i say almost perfectly because the gearing i think it actually does the cap contest dd spotting better when it has a unique mod yeah because you don't lose a whole lot of utility for it uh shimikaze

01:36:53 Those Torpedos are really great. The 9k ones are stealthy, high damage. You have 15 of them. You can stack them on top of somebody if they're bowing somewhere, which they'll usually be angled to. You either bow or stern. Good Torpedos, but it just... Because it's not as good as the gearing in just general utility...

01:37:19 Ja. Ja, ich würde sagen... Solidlich B-Tier. Wenn du Teams hast, dass die Straten und die Schipanns und KOTs, für zum Beispiel... Fast, Stealthy, gut Torpedos. Die Guns hit like a truck, so wenn du dein Engagement hast, wenn du dich beziehst, wenn du dich beziehst, wenn du dich beziehst, wenn du dich beziehst. Das ist die andere Sache, die zwei Guns auf der Rear, besonders. Du hast zwei Guns auf der Rear, die HE-Alpha ist sehr hoch.

01:37:46 Die ship ist sehr narrow und hat eine sehr gute Rudder-Ship. Es ist eigentlich ein sehr hartes Target zu hit und wenn du es schiefst, dann ist es eine gute Chance, dass die Guns soak-up die Schäuze. Es ist eigentlich ein bisschen besser bei Face-Jacking anderen Destroyers, als du erwähnt. Ich denke, es ist definitiv besser als ein Seed. In bestimmten Situationen, ich könnte es als A-Level sehen, aber...

01:38:10 Just all around not quite as good as the gearing, I would say. Honestly, if you're in a newer clan, you're trying to get your team together, you've got a lot of players who are newer to the game, you are absolutely not going to go wrong running a Shimakaze because you will still get decent map control. When I was still super actively playing clan battles, like from Season 1 through Season 8 especially with the Klairs, Shimakaze was our main destroyer of choice for basically all those seasons. I see somebody. I would think Sherman or Ragnar are a whole to be on the list.

01:38:38 That's because we are talking about Tech Tree. Today we're doing all the Tech Tree DDs. Boggy and I did a Steel and Research Bureau list in the past for all the ships in those categories. Today, since we do have 15 ships that are Tech Tree alone, I figured we would keep it a little bit more contained and just look at kind of with a theme, right? So all the Tech Tree ships. In the future, maybe we can look at some more as well. Yeah. But for our last two, we have the Yu Yang.

01:39:06 Yu Yang, wenn es released, war die Terror of the Seas.

01:39:12 Probably B-Tier. Ja, I would kind of agree. The Radar is solid utility, and the smoke is always up. Like, it's got that Pan-Asian smoke, so you can... If you're not using Radar for some reason, like, you can kind of smoke comp it. Yeah, I see an E in the chat. It's definitely not E-Tier. No, it's... I would... Look, um... If I don't have a Horiguma with Unique, and I need to run a...

01:39:39 So let's talk about the tournament environment, where if your Haruguma was getting banned out, if your gearing's getting banned, and enemy team's trying to ban smoke destroyers, or there's limitations on them, sometimes you'll see the Yu Yang played in a smoke train role, right? Just because the Pan-Agent smoke is pretty decent. The only problem with it is that it requires you to constantly be near your cruiser because of the cooldowns, right? The cooldown is fast, which means you always need to be near them to play them another smoke. And the deep waters are very threatening to enemy destroyer.

01:40:07 Not enemy cruisers. Enemy battleships. The opposing smoke train, if they don't have their hydro up, the deep waters are super scary. I'd say I would be more inclined to put it towards the BC range if it did not get torpedo reload booster. But you can put 20 really potent deep water torpedoes into the water at once. And so if somebody is trying to push and you are positioned correctly, you're going to muck things up a bit for them.

01:40:36 So for competitiveness, I would put Yuyang solidly into the B tier. I think there are destroyers you still want to bring before it, before you consider picking it, like the Hargumo, the gearing, for example. Oh, absolutely. Well, unique upgrade Hargumo. Unique upgrade Hargumo for the smoke train. Yeah, and I still really like Radar Yuyang, because you're spotted, you slap your radar, your guns are still good enough to deal with the immediate threat.

01:41:03 You do have a longer duration radar than the Gdansk, for example. 15 second base, but also shorter range instead of 9k at 7.5k. So not quite as strong. Alright, last up for competitiveness, we have the Z52. It does give your team 9 seconds to shoot though, base, versus Gdansk, which gives them 3. That's something to keep in mind. Which one's last? Z52. Oh, poor Z. Womp womp.

01:41:29 I want this one to be... Yeah, let's see, what does chat think? I so badly want it to be A tier. Because, like, the hydro range is good. The torps reload quick. They're 10 kilometers. They're usable. You get speed boost. You get smoke.

01:41:46 Here's the thing, I would say Z52, I see a decent message in chat that Z52 is too map reliant, right? There is a specific situation where Z52 is decent. When you want to just sit across a rock and hydro the other destroyer. Yes, when you dive a rock and hydro the destroyer to get them out of cap. But in most scenarios, I would say these days that the Z52's roll is outdated.

01:42:12 Um, where you have other ships that are a lot more impactful, like the Gdansk with the radar, or you just use your cruisers for radar control, or the map you're playing just doesn't have a good position for the Z-52 to play. Um, so I don't think I would put it into D-tier with like the Elbing, the Regolo, the Burrows, just because it does have some utility. No, it has more utility and usefulness than those, for sure.

01:42:34 So I'm kind of wanting to say a solid C. I don't think it's as universally useful as the ships that we place into B tier. Bands inclusive. It starts edging toward B or Warships Masters where you've got a point system. It'll points pretty low because it's not as strong in the small formats. In randoms though, it's so hilariously good. It's so good at randoms.

01:43:03 Das führt zu, ich habe einen Kommentar in hier gesagt, Figur aus welchen Schiff desperatlichen Neid buffs, um eine Tier List zu benutzen. Gut Idee. Wow, du wahrscheinlich nicht wirst dieses Tier List. Nope. Weil die Schiff in der CD-Range sind ziemlich stark. Ja, wir sind in die Rating-Base auf Competitivität, welches ist eine ziemlich breite Umbrille-Categorie hier.

Zusammenfassung der Tech Tree Destroyer Tier List für Competitive

01:43:24

01:43:24 But mostly keeping in mind the tournament and the clan battle environments, where you need very specific roles for these ships to fill. Shocker, our next tier list is going to be hilariously hectic. It's going to be much different. And we can actually get into that pretty quickly here. But to go over our final standings here, for competitiveness in S tier, we have the Gdansk, we have the Hargumo, we have the Kleber. The three horsemen of S tier here.

01:43:52 Ridiculously strong ships. In A, we have the Daring and the Gearing. Just very strong all-around utility ships. In B tier, we have the Cassard, the Delmi, the Shimakaze, and the Yu-Yang. These do bring something to the table, but are just a little bit less universally useful. In C tier, we have Grasboi, Holland, Z52. Again, kind of generalist ships, but just worse at doing the generalist thing than the ships in A tier and B tier.

01:44:17 Und dann in D-Tier, wir haben die Damage Farmers, die Burrows, die Elbing, und die Regolo, die wir einfach nicht wollen, in den Competitivitäten zu tun. So, da geht's. Wir werden vielleicht noch ein Screenshot von dem späteren, aber für jetzt, wir müssen die Reset button.

01:44:45 Ja, ich versucht, Elbing zu machen, um, ein bisschen in der Clan-Battle-Season zu machen, und es ist einfach...

01:44:52 Wasn't quite up to the point. And Valiant does actually point that out in the chat too. You probably have to do separate lists for competitive versus non-competitive. Petro, S tier for competitive for cruisers, for sure. A lot of survivability, good radar, guns are punchy, broadside anything is going to feel the pain. But in randoms, especially with the freeboard increase and everything like that.

Schnelle und schmutzige Tier List für den Spaßfaktor in Random Battles

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01:45:20 It's so weird between comp and randoms. Yeah, it's just not quite as fun. Alright, so now we're just going to do Quick and Dirty, probably because we only have 19 minutes left. Oh my! The fun list. How fun these ships are to play, primarily in randoms. This will always be pretty quick. So why don't we go ahead and get started with the... Oh dear, they're in a different order this time. That's okay. Oh dear. I'm just going to go for the ones I recognize at a glance. Daring? S tier.

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01:46:06 Alright, next up, let's go ahead and go for Z52 since we did it dirty in the last loop. Ooh, A tier. For fun, you have a 5km Hydro and people walk into it all the time. 6km. 6km. Yeah, people walk into that in randoms all the time and you have torpedoes when people don't expect it. That's at least A tier for fun for me.

01:46:30 I don't play Z-32 a lot. I used to play it much more than I do now, but I'm going to defer to you on this. It's even better when people, when they panic, they will run into you, they will face check you in your smoke, in hydro range, with your torpedoes active, and they will turn broadside and then you'll switch to AP and shred them. Yeah, he actually didn't mention that in the last one. It's just, oh my goodness. It's so much fun to play. It's one of my favorite destroyers. It's up there.

01:46:58 The reason I don't play it as much anymore is because daring is a thing. Sure. How about Elving? Let's do the next German Destroyer here. Hilariously fun. That's probably... It's so accurate, and the 150 AP is so good, but getting a 4 or a 5 Citadel hit on a Broadside Cruiser and a Destroyer... It's one of those moments. It just hits just right. It's got to be S-tier.

01:47:26 für fun, denn es ist so hilarious. So hilarious. Any chat readers, was we think for Elving? I mean, for me, I want to put Elving into S-Tier. Purely for fun. Purely for fun. Purely for fun, it's absolutely got to be S-Tier, because nothing's funnier than a Cruiser, especially a Cruiser that's got to be in the Citadel-ability angle to fire its back guns.

01:47:49 Oh, Destroyer, I'm gonna bring all my guns to bear! And then it's like, haha! No, you're not! It definitely is a certain playstyle, right? Yes. So I think for enjoyers of the Gunboat playstyle, Elving definitely rates up towards Elving. Oh my god. If you're not a fan of the Gunboat Destroyer style, I can see this being quite a bit lower, but... Yeah. I'm a huge Gunboat nerd, so... Nothing's funnier than just punishing a Smolensk when it's not paying attention. Yeah. It just... It's... It's like the incomparable to me.

01:48:17 It shouldn't be able to do the damage output it does from stealth firing at the range it can stealth fire. Like, you outrange, you're concerned with bettering, for example, in a copper roll than in Des Moines, so you can technically get next to it and fire all six shells right into the city shell. That stealth aspect for ships with good AP is definitely a dream. It's so dumb. It's so hilariously fun. Alright, what do we think about Kassard for fun? Um...

01:48:46 Es ist ein Ambush Predator. Das ist Kassard, ich glaube, das ist Kassard. So für mich, ich kind of like Ambush Predators, ein bisschen. Aber ich habe nicht Kassard genutzt, ehrlich gesagt. Das ist die Kassard image. Das ist die Kassard genutzt. Ja, das ist die Kassard genutzt. Ich habe nicht viel genutzt, aber ich glaube, es ist ziemlich gut und fun.

01:49:10 I'm personally leaning more towards B or A. Maybe towards B, just because for me, I'm looking for that kind of active gunboat style for most of the destroyers that I played. Whereas Cassard has the fun torpedo mechanic, but isn't quite as punchy with the guns. There's so many destroyers I'd rather play at this tier. So Cassard, yeah, for me, is probably around a C. I don't play it very much for a reason. I just think that other ones are more fun.

01:49:38 I play a lot of, at this point in time, I play a lot of just what's fun. I'm kind of over the hill, I guess, on like competitive stuff, so. Sure, let's go for B tier then. Just put it in solid B. Okay, yeah. How do we feel about Burrows? Our new Destroyer in Early Access right now, Sap Gunboat, has the Time Smoke. It's fun. I'm terrible at it, but it's so fun. It has kind of the same thing as like the Daring, where you can smoke bomb your way out of an engagement.

01:50:05 Und dann haben wir die 137s. Die sind super punchy, um es zu backen. Es ist viel Spaß. Ich würde es an A-tier sein. Ja, für mich, ich denke, es lacks die explosiveness. Hard to define, aber die super impactvolle, das macht es S-tier. Ja.

01:50:28 Es ist ein sehr solid, long-range Gun Spammer. Es ist ein Solid, Fun Boat. Und der Time Smoke gibt es ein sehr fun, Unique Aspekt, aber nicht ganz auf dem gleichen Level von Fun-to-Play. 137 Sap gegen den Destroyer ist hilarious. Hilarious.

01:50:55 A little too sweaty to play, yeah. Or light cruisers. I would say if Bros actually had more comfortable firing angles when kiting, I would definitely be a little more towards S tier, but for me, the gun angles do make it a little bit less fun. Yeah. Delny.

01:51:11 I haven't really played a lot, because I have Haberowsk. Haber definitely rates higher on the fun scale for me, so I tend to play Delny a little bit less. I mean, based off that, because I put Haberowsk probably in A tier for fun, which means Delny's got to be B tier, but realistically, I would rather play Grozovoi. Yeah, I mean, for me, Delny is just a little bit too...

01:51:33 Ich meine, es gibt nicht viel DPM-DPM, so du bist einfach nur mit 14 Kilometern. Ja. Für mich persönlich, Delany ist es eher für den C. Ich habe nicht viel Spaß mit dem Spiel.

01:51:52 Ja, es ist still S-tier, weil es so hilarious ist.

01:52:20 People will stumble into your radar range and not realize it. And then you radar them and start firing. And then they'll start firing back at you. And then you just smoke. It's just so funny. It's so true. It's good against destroyers. It's decent against cruisers. I need to play it more. It really is just so fun. It's just ridiculously good. Gearing. A tier. I have a lot of fun in gearing still. It does a lot of things great.

01:52:47 Ja, die US on 5-inches sind nicht fantastisch.

01:53:15 Das Model 5-Inch. Sehr well-rounded, sehr gut Torpedos, sehr gut Utilität. Es ist sehr fun in Division, speziell. Oh, ja. Wenn du ein Division hast, Gearing Smoke, ist es so großartig. Ja, absolut. Grassovoi. B-Tier. Ich würde sagen, Solid B. Es gibt nichts super Explosives, es gibt keine Wow-Faktoren. Ich will sagen, eine Sache. Es ist wirklich gut, Fun zu haben ein CV.

01:53:45 Sie kommen über hier, und dann einfach nur die Gefahr und Schmöke. Ja, ich würde sagen, es ist es... Es ist ein solid all-arounder Schiff. Du hast die guten Guns, comfortable at long range. 12 Kilometer Torpedoes, die jetzt sehr solid sind, hat die Schmöke, hat die Heel. Du einfach nicht findest dich in eine Situation, wo du denkst, oh, ich kann nicht machen. Ja, Grosvoi kann ein bisschen machen. Mit Grosvoi kann ich ein bisschen machen. Mit Grosvoi, ich mag es wie ein Deringer, wo ich force ein Gunfight, und dann werde ich dich hängen.

01:54:14 I'm going to smoke up, I'm going to leave you hanging, I'm going to put torpedoes out that are a threat to you, and I'm going to reposition, and then do it again. And if you want to just farm battleships at long range, you can do that with Klaus. Oh yeah, it's so comfortable at farming at long range. How do we feel about Holland? This is one of the most played ships in our game, so I think general player race-wise would rate it pretty high, but... Holland is S-tier because of the hilariously meme-y torpedoes. Hear me out.

01:54:41 Hilariously Mimi Torpedoes. People will think you're about to die, but then you have a heal. Okay. So the next time they come across you, you've healed up some hit points. You have good main battery DPM. And again, a CV, you basically just turn off CV for your side of the map. Yeah, the Holland A especially is even nassier than Grawl. It has one added benefit that we haven't talked about.

01:55:08 You can throw depth charges forward. That's right, it has the troll depth charge launchers. And so if somebody is trying to face check you or you're driving into something, you don't have to actually go up next to them or risk a ram or anything like that. You just kind of got to point in the general direction and then start just throwing them forward like one or two kilometers. And that's actually, I get a lot of enjoyment out of that.

01:55:31 And it creates a really fun wrinkle in close range engagements, because this is about fun, it's not necessarily utility. In close range engagements with something like, what's that druid? AP only 127s, right?

01:55:46 Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja.

01:56:13 Für mich, wenn ich Torpeboat bin, bin ich für Schimikaze, wie Schimikaze. Ja, das stimmt. Und ich liebe die F3-Style Torpedos, wo ich es in 6 Kilometer von jemandem und dann dev-striken sie. Wo Holland ist einfach, dass du sie einfach annoying. Das stimmt, ich will Schimikaze mit der 9K oder 6KM Torps, weil ich das. Und wieder, Holland ist eine der meisten Populären in der Welt. Obviamente, die Leute enjoy her. Es ist so fun für mich.

01:56:39 ...to be that much of a nuisance to basically every class. You can harass every single class, and there's not really a ton they can do about it. Sure. Yeah, I mean, it has a lot of general utility and randoms, right? You can fight other destroyers, you can heal, you can torp things. How about we compromise and go for A? Yeah, yeah, I'll go with that. I see some people in chat talking about the unique upgrade for Holland as well, right? Gives it a little bit more speed in the engine boost, if I recall, and gives it more healable HP.

01:57:07 Das definitiv bums es auch für mich in terms of fun factors. So, ja, pretty comfortable. Don't forget, too, if you have Jerzy Schwerski, you will almost always get 8 Torpedo hits in a match. Which means you will basically always speed up your Torpedo reload. And, I mean, it's just... It's fun. I really like it. It's a lot of fun. It's such a...

01:57:37 Es ist eine General Annoyance. Es ist eine Troll-Vessel. Die Torpedos sind einfach Annoying. Die Torpedos sind einfach Annoying. Die Torpedos sind einfach Annoying. Die Survivability ist einfach Annoying. Es ist einfach Annoying. Es ist einfach Annoying. Es ist einfach Annoying. Es ist einfach Annoying. Es ist einfach Annoying. Es ist einfach Annoying. Es ist einfach Annoying. Es ist einfach Annoying. Es ist einfach Annoying. Es ist einfach Annoying. Es ist einfach Annoying. Es ist einfach Annoying. Es ist einfach Annoying.

01:58:06 Ja, ja, ja.

01:58:35 Akizuki, wenn die Line first came out, it terminated in Akizuki. I played the crap out of Akizuki. When Haragumo came out, it was like, how old are you? It's one of my favorite ships, and it's one of the ones where I've achieved a level of greatness I'm afraid of tarnishing by playing it anymore. Yeah, for sure. But yeah, Haragumo, I just have a ton of fun playing. Again, looking for the gunboat playstyle. You just burn things to the waterline in a matter of a minute.

01:59:04 Ja, in der Linie, wenn ich erst rauskomme. Und die 30mm von HE-Pen, die du mit den Kruisern hast, ist auch etwas, ich glaube, dass ich in den Destroyer habe. Dass ich in den Destroyer able, um zu einfachen damage, ist super wichtig. IF HE-Kidakaze ist ein absoluter Menace gegen Bauern des Moines. Troll the crap out of the people. Ich weiß, dass die Kidakaze auch. Ich weiß, viele Leute, die Kidakaze preferiert sind, die Harigümmel.

01:59:32 Just because you go from the Akizuki and the Hitokaze, which are decently maneuverable, or kind of smaller, then you get the big old dote with Haragumo. But for me, the fifth gun in the added DPM is just so much. It's just flat out 20% more DPM. Like, yo dawg, we heard you like DPM, and I'm trying to find my win rate for it, because I'm actually... Yeah, like 80% win rate, and I don't have that high of a damage average in it.

02:00:00 But it's, again, I like to have fun at the expense of others. I argue spamming you from a smoke cloud is one of the most annoying things to encounter. Absolute most annoying thing that you can, even if you're functionally not doing a ton of damage, it's so annoying. Alright, speaking of fun ships, Clever. Oh yeah, S tier. Oh absolutely, just too S tier. Is there anybody in chat who would disagree with Clever and S tier? I mean...

02:00:26 What is more fun than going 55 knots at 14 kilometers and just spamming the crap out of people? Or torpedo rushing around islands? Or taking the unique upgrade and just being an absolute troll with like 6 kilometer concealment. Like face-checking a destroyer that thinks it's safe in smoke because you managed to close the gap faster than they anticipated. And they can't do anything because you will just reload boost them down. And then you'll use their smoke to farm their team. One of my favorite things to do in Clever, when you get like a...

02:00:55 Wenn du in eine 1v1 Situation hast, mit einem Battleship, und du kannst einfach run at es. Und du kannst den Rudder und den Speed einfach komplett displace deinen Schiff sideways, wenn du sie schützt, und sie schützt dich, und sie schützt dich. Es ist so fun. Es tut den gleichen Trick der Deringe, wo es acceleratet in eine turn ist. Und so, du kannst du komplett displace deinen Schiff left oder right, wenn du schützt dich, wenn du schützt dich, wenn du schützt dich, wenn du schützt dich. Hilarious. Wenn du schützt dich, wenn du schützt dich, wenn du schützt dich, und du schützt dich, und du schützt dich, wenn du schützt dich,

02:01:24 Your ship will slide out of the way of their shells. Well, completely, you will drift out of the way of their shells. It's one of the reasons to be daring is so fun, is because you can pull that same trick with a daring as well. But the... And the torp angles. The torp angles! You can torp people almost straight off your mouth. Oh my gosh. Yeah, it's absolutely S tier. Alright, how about Rigolo? Rigolo for fun. Ooh, see, this is funny. I haven't played it a lot.

02:01:52 But I acknowledge this is one of the most hilarious and randoms because it's Tier X Palo. Sure.

02:02:01 Ein bisschen Torp Damage, aber es ist ein bisschen Spaß zu benutzen. Für mich ist es einfach ein bisschen unkomfortabel zu spielen. Eine der Dinge, dass es sehr hoch ist für mich und die Fun Faktoren ist, wie es die Faktoren sind, ist, wie es die Faktoren sind. Und einfach weil du sie mit der Faktoren benutzen hast, wird es ein bisschen weniger. Die Faktoren turnen ziemlich schnell, wenn ich mich daran erinnere. 18 Sekunden ist nicht schlecht, aber es ist auch nicht gut für Destroyer Guns. Ihr turn rate ist wahrscheinlich genug. Ja, die Faktoren haben Probleme mit der Faktoren.

02:02:30 Das ist wahr. Aber es hat noch viel Spaß, also ich würde es nicht mehr als B, persönlich. Ja, ich denke B ist wahrscheinlich gut. Ja, und es ist ziemlich schwierig zu spielen. Ich denke, wenn ich es ein bisschen mehr Zeit und Interessiert habe, ich würde es mehr als A spielen. Ja. Aber für meine persönliche Ratinge jetzt, es geht eher als B. Ich meine, Ambush Predator, wenn man sich sicher zu planen, ihr Salvo direkt, force jemanden zu fire, force jemanden zu enter den Engagement, dann Enter Exhaust Smoke, Turn und Face Check'em? Ja.

02:02:57 And keep your guns on one side of your ship, that's actually probably solid. The sap does a lot of alpha damage, for sure. Also, you can't pull that maneuver very often in ranks, or in any competitive. So, probably best in randoms. How about Shimakaze?

02:03:14 It depends. It depends on what kind of Shimakaze. 20k Torp Shimakaze to me is one of the most boring playstyles in the game. I would agree. Because you just, oh I have 20k Torpedos, so what range are you going to set? You're going to be 18k away from everything. That's not really fun to me. But the 6k, the 9k Torp options?

02:03:38 Hilarious good fun. Building a Shimakaze as a gunboat was some of the most fun I've had in game. That was like an OG, like, athlete troll the crap out of people with the gun. Oh, yeah. Because you just, again, your main battery doesn't work as well anymore, I would say. No. But that's just because there's a lot of stuff that is packing a lot of power now. But...

02:04:03 Für mich, Shimikaze, wie du sagst, mit dem 8 Kilometer F3 ist es noch eine der besten Torpedobots ist. Aber ich mag nicht die Torpedobot playstyle. Ja, es ist 8's, es ist 8's. Was denkst du, Chad? Ja, ich habe mit den Mod 3's.

02:04:21 Oder 12 Kilometer. Für mich, ich würde sagen A. 12 und 8 Kilometer. Ich würde sagen, die Torpedo-Playstyle ist nicht so, wie Gunboats, zum Beispiel. Aber Shima ist all-around sehr... Ich würde mit A-Tier sagen. Die Leute wollen nicht ein Gunboats-Shimikaze. Das ist das, was ich build es als. Und so, es ist einfach... Es ist wirklich lustig. Sie wollen nicht die Enhanced-Made-Battery haben.

02:04:47 2150 Alpha on the HE shells is ridiculously high. Ridiculously high for 127. You kind of pointed out the party trick too. Good luck hitting below the freeboard. On the stern. Kiting Shima is one of the trolliest ships. Super trolly. Especially in the closer range. Where you're not able to aim further in front. And get the deck space. And get the superstructure. Because it's just like. That's my turret.

02:05:15 Oh, my turret again! Oh darn, you knocked out my turret! Last tip of the day, the YuYen.

02:05:25 Yu Yang für mich ist ein S-Tier-Troll. Es ist wirklich, weil du hast Potent Deepwater Torpedos mit gut range und Torpedo Reload-Booster in einem Schiff, das kann Stealth Radar sein. Ich bin nicht sicher, wie besser zu ruinieren, eine Battleship's Spiel. Es gibt so viele verschiedene Dinge mit der Yu Yang zu tun, wie in der Radar oder der Smoke. Ich denke, bevor der Yu Yang wurde der TRB, war ein bisschen lower.

02:05:53 In randoms, it was B-tier for me before the Torp Reload booster. It was cool to still force people out with the radar, but once you burned your radar, that destroyer was like, alright, buddy! Now it's my turn! I think Yu Yang is a little bit situational, right? If you have a lot of good targets for the Deepwaters, it rates very highly. Or if you end up with a lot of destroyers that can't bully you too much, then it rates until the S-tier. Otherwise, I would say it goes into A for me.

02:06:21 But I mean, personally, I'm kind of fine with the S tier. I think Ewing is a lot of fun. I think in randoms it's so much fun because of what it can do. It's just, again, I like to annoy... It annoys... It successfully annoys three classes of ships. Destroyers, well, kind of aircraft carriers if they're not paying attention. Does it if they don't see you sticking up on them? Yeah, if they don't see you, it's... By the time they see you and the torpedo's already in the water, it's hilarious.

02:06:49 Oh, there's the final standings. We have Daring in S. We have Elbing in S. We have Clever and Gdansk in S. We have Hargim on S. We have Yang in S. There's so many good tech treats here. And again, I think both of us are Destroyer players primarily. Yes, absolutely. So we're going to find a lot of these very fun. Fun is a very subjective rating, so you may disagree with a lot of these. You probably will, and I don't care because it's our list. Yep. This is my list. There are some like it, but this is mine. You can do your own.

02:07:15 In A tier we have the Z52, we have the Burrows, we have the Gearing, we have the Holland, we have the Shima. Those are all such fun ships. Yeah, still a lot of fun. In B, I think most of the ships down here in B and C I just haven't played a lot of. We have the Delny, the Cassard, the Rigolo, and then down in C. Wait, C is Delny, yeah. Whereas in B it's Cassard, Grasovoy, and Rigolo. Just a lot of ships I don't play too much anymore, so...

02:07:41 But yeah, that does it. We're actually a little bit past 7 now. If anybody has any final questions, feel free to shoot them over. Otherwise, we'll probably call it wraps for tonight. Yeah, I think that's about it. I think it's a pretty solid list. Yeah, glad you agree. Hopefully we didn't get anything too wrong, but again, you know, it's fun, so that means my opinions are... Glad you agree with a pro and an idiot. Yeah, you know, it's a subjective list, which means that my opinions are, of course, objectively correct and yours are wrong. Yes, of course. Just kidding. Absolutely. It's whatever you find fun.

02:08:09 And if you disagree, just make your own tier list and share with us. I'd love to see some. Yeah, I would honestly actually love to see some player design tier list coming across for some of this stuff because there's so many options. You can do what's best for Ranked. You can do what's best in Unbreakable Line. You could do a tier list based off of... If you think we got something horrendously wrong, feel free to make a tier list and send it to us on Discord and be happy to argue with you all day about it.

02:08:39 A tier list on the best yellow ships and why it's not Palo Emilio? It has to be Palo Emilio, come on. At tier it's absolutely Mogador. Okay, Mogador. Fine, fine. Alright, I think that's it for us tonight. We're going to go find somebody to throw the raid to, but we will be calling it here. We'll see you guys next week for the next community stream where we'll probably be introducing a new guest. Yep.

02:09:07 Until then, stay tuned. We'll see you guys later. Have a good one.