NERDS #5 - Legion Major Update Edition!

EVE Online: ESS-Änderungen, Wurmlochanpassungen und Drohnen-Assist-Limitierungen

CCP
- 10.09.25 - 02:26:19 - 5.279 - EVE Online

• Zusammenfassung
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Anpassungen in EVE Online umfassen ESS-Änderungen, die T3-Zerstörer betreffen, und Anpassungen an Wurmlöchern für verbesserte Klarheit. Das Drohnen-Assist-System wird auf 20 Charaktere begrenzt, um die Dominanz von Eos-Men-Setups zu reduzieren. Änderungen an Panzerungs-Rigs und die Entfernung von Maraudern aus dem ESS zielen darauf ab, die Meta zu öffnen. Diskussionen über Schiffseffektivität, Materialverfügbarkeit und Anpassungen an Railguns und Schlachtkreuzern runden das Update ab.

EVE Online

00:00:00

00:00:10 It's been a long time, my friend. A long time. Yet it seems too... Afraid of a little death and exploitation. Killing the means of communication.

ESS-Änderungen und Vault-Enthüllung

00:09:54

00:09:54 Hey, I'm CCP-Matti, and right now we are underground in the CCP Vault Storage Facility. This is where we do all of our ESS testing. And if I walk you over to the ESS, I kind of want to discuss a few of the changes coming to New Eden right now. Now, to demonstrate, I have a couple of friends that are willing to showcase. You too.

00:10:23 Yes. Welcome. Hello. Welcome. Yes, also that. Hi, I'm CCP Yotun, playing the part of the noble worker. Have you been in the ESS before? I spent a lot of time in ESSs, actually. Some people need more time than I should. Yeah, a lot of people think you spent way too much time. Yeah, a lot of time. In fact, there's a small gang in there right now, so just give me a second. I'm going to clear it out. Now, let's go a little bit more. What? I lost my face!

00:10:52 Ich bin Okami, ich bin Okami und ich bin ein Teil der Zippel. Ich bin gut, ich bin gut. Ja, ja, ja. Zippel, ich bin in den SS-B4. Ja, ein bisschen. Ja, vielleicht nicht. Ich habe immer gewonnen.

00:11:22 Ja, was ist das? Ja. Ja, kann ich das einfach mal ausprobieren? Ja. Ja, das ist ein Rennen. Ja, das ist Rennen. Ja, das ist Rennen. Ja, das ist Rennen. Ja, das ist Rennen. Ja, das ist Rennen. Ja, das ist Rennen. Ja, das ist Rennen. Ja, das ist Rennen. Ja, das ist Rennen. Ja, das ist Rennen. Ja, das ist Rennen. Ja, das ist Rennen.

00:11:48 Okay, I'm out here. Could you just remove that trash? Oh, we can remove this. Yeah. Oh, sure. Wow, that's amazing. Three destroyers can now actor the ESS. Yeah, can I just go ahead? It's cool, it's cool. There's like a... Look at this isch. Wow. Hey, what's a...

00:12:14 Ich habe mich überrascht. Ich habe mich überrascht.

00:12:22 Der, du hast es. Die Marauder sind nicht mehr able, aber die T3-Destroyer können.

00:12:52 Also, es ist so gut in C4's, aber das ist nicht möglich.

00:13:02 It's the Nerds back together. What's up, guys? It's always this thing where you think you need to open everything up really dramatically, but we have some extra guests here today. Well, guests, I mean. That was dramatic, actually, because it looked like it was just the two of you just hanging out together, just your boys. Then you press the button, bam, here we all are. Yeah, and people are like, what? He's not in the vault anymore? That's true. I'm not in the vault anymore. I'm on parole, actually. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was tough. It was tough.

00:13:30 Das war ein heavy door. Es war ein super heavy door. Er hat einen Moment, er hat einen Moment, er hat einen Moment, er hat einen Moment, er hat einen Moment, er hat einen Moment, er hat einen Moment, er hat einen Moment, er hat einen Moment, er hat einen Moment, er hat einen Moment, er hat einen Moment, er hat einen Moment, er hat einen Moment, er hat einen Moment, er hat einen Moment, er hat einen Moment, er hat einen Moment, er hat einen Moment.

00:13:50 Chubb has always made Chubb in Previews. Bro, das ist, das ist, das ist, das ist, das ist nicht, was das Podcast ist, FYI, aber der Name, der Brand, der Vault ist Chubb. Und der Icon ist ein Herring. Ich bin sicher, dass sie eine Great Vaults machen. Ich smache es, es gab es einen guten Schlapp oder so. Das ist wie ihr checktet, wenn es ein guter Vault ist. Das ist wie ihr schlappet, wenn es ein guter Vault ist. Das ist nicht going anywhere.

00:14:19 I did slap it several times. Confirmed it was a good vault. Terrible name for a company. Rename your company. You could be anything. You could be like, wemakegoodvaults.com. People would be like, oh, I guess they make good vaults. But you see Chubb? I'm sure it's somebody's name, but like, you gotta think of the optics. Anyway. I actually love that skit. It reminds me of like old CCP skits. It does remind me of old CCP. Yeah. Unfortunately Convict isn't here, so he's not.

00:14:46 but he might be actually in the vault when i think about it we might have just left him there no oxygen he didn't know about it he might just if we get if we get a thousand likes on this video we'll do another unhinged skit i'm putting i'm i'm saying now i don't actually have the power to make this happen but i am going to say it one thousand likes this video we're gonna do some more unhinged uh we'll find more vaults we'll find more walls it's a big island there's gotta be another vault somewhere i'm pretty sure i'm peaking too so i'll just have to

00:15:15 Ja, wirklich? Ja, wirklich?

00:15:44 Do you know how Twitch thread is? There's a reason we're not looking at it, because it's probably like, oh, B is there, he's amazing. And then, you know, Ben goes all, oh yeah, goes all, goes all, oh my god, I need to make sure that everybody loves me more, and starts being louder and louder and louder and louder. Well, you see, the thing is, bringing B on here is tactical, because people look at Bjorn and they're like, hey.

00:16:10 We had to even out the movie star. Exactly. With the Twitch star. He brings legitimacy to this whole operation. We're going to sit here and talk about updates. Exactly. What are we here to talk about, team? It's nerds. We don't know. We're just going to talk about something. You brought your laptop, obviously, Gamer Boy. Apparently we had a patch yesterday. Whoever laptop is? Nice. Basically, it's all about...

00:16:37 Und dann machen wir die Update. Und dann gibt's Big Patch Notes, da gibt's loads of stuff to talk about. Und was wir wirklich, was wir wirklich wollten von B this time around, ist, wie ich gesagt habe, um, unsere Live-Defeat comps haben sich ein bisschen mehr von Sting, und, you know, seitdem er ist weg. Let's face es, Swift, wenn wir aus dem anderen Tag... Ich weiß, dass du dich geknallt hast, sind wir lying? Wir haben nicht geknallt, ich denke. Wir haben... Wir haben okay.

00:17:05 We did fine. We did fine. It's okay, dude. It's not going up next to the 580 wind plaques, the kill report from that day, but, you know, it was good. But let's face it, we needed something. And with this update, there's interesting stuff, especially for, in my opinion, small roaming gangs. Yeah, there's a lot of that stuff in here. Yeah. I, for example, last night...

00:17:33 Immediately went out in a T3 destroyer comp. And I will have a report on how not to fly T3 destroyers in an ESS. And I can also report what the response fleet looks like now.

00:17:49 Let's get into it. Let's get into it. How do you want to do this B? Do you want to kick off by looking at the patch notes? I kind of want to emulate what all the streamers have been doing. Pull up the patch notes and we can kind of show that to people and go through things. Streamer boy here, he's put a stream deck on me. He's like, press this button. Nope, not that one. Patch notes. Boom. Perfect. We're going to be able to go through the patch notes themselves. We're not going to linger and go through every single bit, right? Sure.

00:18:18 But we can stop and talk about certain parts and discuss them and just chat about how we feel about these things, what we think we're addressing here. I finally understand what a wormhole has left. I saw a wormhole yesterday. And now I was like, wow, that's a wormhole. I do show info. Wow, I can actually sound knowledgeable in what I'm saying because I've never lived in a wormhole. And it's like, has not had its district too much bluff.

Wormhole-Anpassungen und Mysterium

00:18:45

00:18:45 So we're going to talk about this in a minute when we get to the wormhole part, but that is funny. No, let's start with it. Okay, so here's the thing about the wormhole part. First of all, shout out to CCP. Shout out to CCP. CCP Rampant. Rampant is the one I'm thinking of. Yeah, CCP Rampant, who has been working a lot on some of these things, and he came out and did put out a lot of public messaging yesterday within some of the wormhole circles about some of the changes.

00:19:11 Within some of the wormhole circles. He runs in our groups now. He has eyes. And he kind of gave some justification for some of the things. One of the things that I think is really interesting about wormholes, and I speak as a wormhole, by the way, is that they're absolutely cracked out. Just absolutely unhinged human beings. We put something in the game that is objectively useful.

00:19:36 für 90% der Spieler. Sie sehen es und sagen, wow, das ist information ich nicht vorher hatte. Ich war nicht ganz sicher. Jetzt kann ich es sehen, es ist sehr klar. Es ist gut, es ist gut, es ist gut, es ist gut, es ist gut, es ist gut, es ist gut, es ist gut, es ist gut, es ist gut, es ist gut, es ist gut, es ist gut, es ist gut, es ist gut, es ist gut, es ist gut, es ist gut, es ist gut, es ist gut, es ist gut, es ist gut, es ist gut, es ist gut.

00:20:01 They're coming in here and taking away our traditional messages on our wormhole show info screens. I just don't, I can't, that's not my wormhole show info screen is what that is. I mean, it is like at a certain point it becomes like a cultural thing. Like, yeah, wormholes are kind of opaque and a little bit hard to read. Like, hell yeah, that's part of the appeal. Yeah, and also when you get used to like seeing a screen for a really long time, it takes a while just to get used to like the new muscle memory of everything. But it is just like the same information just showed in a more.

00:20:30 Easy to consume away, with one exception. There is a new screen that pops up when there's less than one hour left. That is true. Not a new screen, but like a new line. A new breakdown. And the reason we did that was because when we changed frigate holes to make them spawn in at end of life, that means they spawn in with roughly four hours of life. They would just spawn in showing...

00:20:53 This is reaching the end of its natural lifetime. So they gave you no useful information about how long the hole was going to last. So what we've done is then we added in this one hour remaining message effectively. So, I mean, it's useful for all holes, but especially for frigate holes, because now you know, okay, this frigate hole at least has, you can tell if it doesn't have that message, it's somewhere between one hour and four hours. So that's a little bit more useful. You can maybe decide, hey, I might take a fleet through here, a fleet of T3Ds, for example, if you were so inclined.

00:21:23 durch das hole, weil ich weiß, dass ich eine Stunde habe. Wenn du das hr-message hast hast, dann denkst du, dass das Hohel ist, dass das Hohel ist. Es kann jederzeit sein. Ich werde das Hohel sein. Ich werde das Hohel sein. Ja, und in generell, ein Hohel, das ist, um, in der Ende des Lebensstil, und wie du gesagt hast, es vier Hohel, oder oder oder, oder, oder. Okay, ich verstehe die Hohel-Hohel-Hohel-Hohel-Hohel-Hohel.

00:21:51 Almost there. There's this perception, and get it, of like, let's call it professional wormholes, like people that just, and players that are just all warriors. Yeah, go ahead. We call ourselves professionals. Very few people agree. Sure. But no, it's this thing, and I get that, where you've managed to build up the tools, the expertise and the intel and stuff like that to know this, but like you're saying, with the frigate holes, it's a very, very good point of

00:22:22 There's still this hour at play. There's still this, okay, do I have an hour or do I have 20 minutes or do I have somewhere between one and four? Because I, at least as a player, have very often been limited to using a hole just because I didn't want to chance it. If it was fun, how do I get back or something like that? Not that I often get back. I have very famously trapped an entire fleet in a wormhole once and now I'll have fewer things to blame it on.

00:22:51 All of the information will have been there. It'll just be me being incompetent, not just me not understanding something. What's that story? I haven't heard that story. It's a very good story. At one point, we were being chased by another fleet, and I had a great idea. We went through a pipe system, so there was only one way in and one way out, and it was very predictable where we were going. We were getting blobbed, and we had scanned down a wormhole. What kind of fleet was this, by the way? This was a rogue fleet.

00:23:15 So I was like, what we're going to do is we're going to go into this wormhole, wait for them to pass, think they're going to follow us to the next system and come back out and just go the other way. And I was like, this is the most genius tactical maneuver. You're basically doing the equivalent of reversing into an alley and hiding behind the dumpster. Yeah, it's very Wile E. Coyote energy. So we went into the wormhole and we got in just fine. The fleet passed.

00:23:44 I was like, let's do it, let's leave. And like three people left and then the wormhole collapsed. And one of the three people that left was Carbon Fury, whose name I remember, and I will shame publicly. He was our prober. So everyone else in the fleet got stuck in the wormhole. And we were just like, well, shit. I guess we live here now. I guess we live here now. So we decided to just shoot each other to get ourselves back home. And we just like SRP ourselves. But we were in very tanky rogues.

00:24:11 So after a while, it became really hard to just break everyone's tank. And so we're just sitting there for what felt like forever. What felt like forever just shooting each other. And it's a sad moment. I will say, there's like wormholers kind of, I don't want to be like weird about it because there are some people who will hear this.

00:24:31 who i know are in those wormhole spaces every time you have them starts with i don't want to be weird about this i am like pr crisis pr crisis people would be like oh you're being kind of cringe right now bro which is true and fair but i get paid to do this so off uh i there's like a certain mysticism to it though right like they're like known space has you know rules and regulations and wormhole space is a little bit off the grid so i understand why people are a little like cautious about it but like

00:25:00 Mr. Swift said, there's no, like, there's no change of information. You're getting the same information you're getting before. It's just now presented in a way that, like, normal human beings with, like, a fully functioning brainstem can read as opposed to just wormholes who, like, operate purely on lizard brain. Like, that's a totally different thing. So I think it's a good change. I think it's healthier for the ecosystem as a whole. I do. I think it's healthier to bring, because you want to make the space more approachable, not...

00:25:25 Necessarily, because you want people to just be in and out all the time, but because you want people to come in so you can slap them on the noggin. Just give them a good ol' spank on the head. And this is why we do Nerds, because we've managed to spend a good 15 minutes discussing the fact that things are typed in a different way now than clients in one place. How long is this podcast supposed to be, by the way? Eight hours. No, we're trying to stick with six. Okay, good, good, good.

Drohnen-Assist-Änderungen und Gecko-Diskussion

00:25:53

00:25:53 Okay. Should we actually look at the patch notes? Please. Yeah, I realized halfway through that we had the patch notes up on like drone assist stuff. Okay, so I'm going to be ready. Drone assist stuff. That's the next one. Cool. Right? Because you have it. Yes. We're taking this down from being able to have 10 characters assigned drones to someone. So this used to be unlimited, as we all know. It was, well...

00:26:17 Once upon a time. 15? For the last, I think, 3, 4, 5 years, maybe? No, maybe longer. I think a little bit longer, yeah. B, you really need to have your mic closer to you. I'm constantly checking. Am I not loud enough? Okay. Are you not entertained? I'm sitting next to Jotun, alright? I should match the energy, I'm sorry. The thing is, Jotun has two...

00:26:39 We're taking drones down to 20 being assigned. So we're not removing it, right? We're allowing a Logibro to still assign his drone to someone so he doesn't have to think about getting on targets, getting on kills. He doesn't have to, you know, you can just focus on wrapping people. We're not removing it completely.

00:27:07 Aber das ist eine sehr große Hitze für die Leute, die 10 Dommys oder so zu messen. Es gibt Wormhole Space, es gibt viele Eos. Du hast zwei Drone Bunnys, es ist nicht das hart. Die Sache ist, ja, du hast zwei Drone Bunnys. Aber das ist... In den letzten Jahren Eos-Men haben wir giga-oppressive. Ja. Da war ein Zeitpunkt, wo es drei oder vier Eos-Men waren in Wormhole Space war.

00:27:34 Das ist die Wormhole, die Eos-Men. Die Eos-Men waren nicht nur ein Wormhole Problem, aber sie waren nur... Ich bin nur über all die Gruppen, die du hast gegründet. Oh, ja. Eos-Men, Wormholers, all das. Die Eos-Men waren, wie, nonstop crabbing. Und wenn sie nicht crabbing waren, sie waren, wie, 60 Eos-Eos. Just eine Tapping-Einheit und eine Tapping-Einheit.

00:28:02 Es ist wie eine Dude an der Computer. Und das ist wahrscheinlich nicht cool. Das ist wahrscheinlich nicht eine Fun-Thinge wir können. Ja, wenn es mehr Leute gibt, dann ist es okay. Ja, ich bin totally okay mit dem. Und ich glaube, Drone Assisting in Garten ist eigentlich ein wirklich cool Mechanic in its core. Aber ja, es ist nicht wirklich... Es fühlt sich wie man braucht eine Sekundär-Bandwidth-Thinge. Es ist auch der Grunde der Bandwidth-Thinge. Das ist der Grunde der Bandwidth-Thinge.

00:28:27 Ich denke, es ist nicht so gut für eine Person zu beherrennen, um einen Button zu beherrennen, um den Alpha zu bekommen.

00:28:56 Which I get it, but like... Is that the language of the... Well, it doesn't quite sound like that. It sounds a little bit different. But all this to say, shout out to you, Eosman, you provided me good content. I appreciate you, but a little bit too strong. I think that's where that's at. We also made the signature radius of the sentries a little bit larger, so they're easier to lock. If you've got zappy boys, like an Eden comm ship, they can lock on the targets and do some AoE damage to clear them a lot easier.

00:29:22 Bombs, this is something that we're going to keep an eye on because bombs can very easily clear sentry drones now because they have such a large signature. Yeah, they're like battlecruiser size now. Yeah, they went from like 100 to 300. So it's really, really significant when you're talking about lock time, lock speed, and just damage to bombs. You do have fleet formations, so you can spread out as you land and have different places for your drones if you want to drop them that way. But it requires more APM instead of just dropping all at one point.

00:29:49 Ja, ja, ja.

00:30:15 Aber ich meine, es war 50, so... Aber wer ist Geckos? Geckos? So expensive. So, truly so expensive. Wir haben eine Gecko 2. No. A second version of the Gecko? No, es ist die gleiche. Okay, okay. Es ist ein Re-Releases, aber es ist auch Gecko 2. Ich würde nicht mehr Geckos in der Game sein, zu sagen.

00:30:40 We just, I feel like we need a different kind of drone like that. The gecko is like fine by itself, but I don't want another one. It's phenomenal. It's like, it's very good. Well, you know the best part about the gecko is it's got a little guy in it. Yeah, it's a little pilot dude. There's a little pilot guy in there. I've been trying to pitch to Akami that we, you know, as we get older, we have children and stuff. Why can't my kid just fly the gecko on a controller? Because it's like a billion-esque ship.

00:31:05 uh your kid you're gonna put your kid in front of a billion ask of a drone so i'm it's like 200 mil i bought one the other day okay probably 200 mil that's probably exaggeration yeah i bill for a flight okay a teenage kid sure what i was gonna say this is giving like very arrested development like it's a banana

Anpassungen der Panzerungs-Rigs und Marauder-Entfernung aus ESS

00:31:28

00:31:28 Okay, fair enough. Uh, carry on. Uh, man, armor rigs, huh? That's crazy. Segway. Segway into armor rigs. Watch me, Seth, watch me. I would not trust a kid with a gacko. I'm just putting that out there. Why don't we make this drive? No, but yeah, let's talk about the armor rigs change. We, uh, we're changing this so that it's not affecting max velocity, but agility instead. This is, like...

00:31:53 Es geht um Armour Schiff, aber es geht auch um die Schiff zu verändern, wenn es umgekehrt werden. Wie fühlst du dich? Das ist etwas, ich glaube, das Stichkainland an den CSM, ich glaube, last Jahr hat gesagt. Ja. In terms of just trying to make Armour comps, especially in the small and medium gang size, a little bit more nimble and a little bit more speedy.

00:32:16 Because we've seen so many shield comps kind of dominate the meta. Because they can be a lot more agile. They can utilize that engagement envelope a lot better. The instant shield return also on the boosters. Yeah, that helps too. But we've seen ships like the ENI, the Exact Navy, which doesn't really have those problems, excel. So this was kind of a way to make armor ships be able to be more competitive in a very fast way.

00:32:43 Oder ein bisschen mehr Speedy-Meta. Ja, einfach nicht mehr Turn. Ja, aber ist es eher going to affect bigger ships oder smaller ships, du denkst? Ja, es ist eher going to affect both ships, aber ich denke, es wird in ein positiver Manner auf den Cruiser-Battlecruiser-Sizeden Ships mehr so als die Capital Ships oder die... Ja, ich bin eigentlich eigentlich, ich bin mostly, uh, putting maybe Battlecruisers und Battleships into those.

00:33:11 Die Flets, die wir sehen so viel, wie die Affenrieren, die Nightmares oder wasser. Ich denke, wenn es um Doctrines geht, ob wir starten zu sehen, ob wir eine große Probleme sehen können.

00:33:22 Yeah, I mean, it's possible. And there are a few more changes down the line that we'll chat about that can kind of compound with all these things to make ships like maybe the APOC or APOC Navy issue shine a little bit more in these situations where you don't have to just throw a certain type of armor rig on there, a certain type of rig. You get a little bit tankier and you don't have to give up your top speed and your top velocity. So I have to say there's one thing that's an immediate change. First, the SSI entry yesterday.

00:33:51 Apoch sind 200 Kilometer weg. Ja, ich habe hier gesehen, dass alle Paladin-Pilots, sie sind auf Apoch und sie sind nicht in Kloge, sie sind da und sie sind da. Und sie sind da, die ESS-Defender sind. So sie sind da, aber sie sind da. Und sie sind da, aber sie können sich nicht zufrieden. Und die Dammage-Difference ist großartig. Es ist komplett anders. Ja, ja, ja. Aber alle versuchen, das jetzt in eine T3-Destroyer zu tun.

00:34:17 Es geht nicht. Es geht nicht. Es geht nicht. Es geht nicht.

00:34:40 But yeah, just logging off in an ESS the day before a patch where you know you're going to be like the apex predator inside there. But does the ESS move inside systems? Yes. It's like a little wandering little guy. I just never thought of it. I just warped to the beacon. Yeah, exactly. For a brief moment, they were gods. Gods in a very small bubble. If it was always static in one spot, you could anchor bubbles and do weird things on the outside of it and just...

00:35:08 Ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja,

00:35:36 kind of closing the gap between shield and armor. Exactly. And that's what a lot of these changes are. They're kind of closing the gap between things that were overperforming and things that were underperforming or things that were like a little bit too average. Instead of just tuning everything up to the same level, which would just kind of push power creep in a really unhealthy way, we're just adding more options for people to be able to use stuff. You're not going to right-click destroy your Pharax Navy issues overnight or zerg them into a Keepstar, which maybe you'll do, and swap them out for like a Prophecy Navy issue.

00:36:04 Maybe when you're theorycrafting an X-Comp, you'll be just like, oh, I can get a little bit more utility out of this ship than I thought I could. I have seen this sentiment a couple times, and I think it's worth addressing. Because I feel like people always ever just respond based on their own experiences. They see how they play the game, the people who they play with, and they say, ah, this is how things are. And realistically, we can't go off of just one person's anecdote. We have to look at the whole sum of things.

00:36:33 Thankfully, hier, a lot of really good data people who process a lot of data and then provide us information about what is and is not performing well based on... Yeah, none of these changes are from like one something. It's stats internally, it's talks with CSM, it's talks with like Okami did a ship balance patch kind of thread. Yeah, yeah. And it ended up being like...

00:36:55 wie viele Leute antworten? Es war ein sehr langes. Und ich weiß, dass auch Okami und Kestrel und viele von uns haben durch alle, alle, alle, alle, alle, alle, alle, alle, alle, alle, alle, alle, alle, alle, alle, alle, alle, alle, alle, alle, alle, alle, alle, alle, alle, alle.

00:37:23 Thankfully, I'm not a balancing dev or anything like that. I don't touch the game in that way.

00:37:30 I feel the meta just needs to be shook up regularly, because if there's one thing that EVE players excel at, that is just figuring shit out. Finding the loopholes and finding those things. There are plenty of people who have said that we did not shake up the meta enough, and an equal size, seemingly an equal size number of people who are like, this is shaking up too much. You've ruined things that were great, and then other people say like, hey, those things that were...

00:37:57 Ich glaube, es ist echt gut. Und du hast es besser gemacht. So danke. Es ist such ein fucking balancing act, right? Es gibt so viele verschiedene Dinge. Ich sehe viele Leute sagen, hey, ich weiß nicht, was das Problem war. Ich dachte, es war gut. Es war gut für mich. Warum ist das Schade? Weil es ein paar Leute in der Game ist. Und viele verschiedene Interaktionen zwischen den Dingen. Es ist ein constantes balancing act. Ich meine, die Game wird nicht perfekt sein, right? Wir werden nicht zu einem Punkt, wo E.V. ist einfach fixed.

00:38:25 und es ist eine perfecte Balance von jedem Possible Schiff. Eine, weil es irgendwie irgendwie boring ist, ich denke. So, machen little iterations like this, den die Guys im Balancen, die Tools, um, zu einfachen gehen und sehen, was fucking passiert. Ich denke, es ist cool. Es ist mehr so, dass sie machen informed decisions. Es ist nicht nur ein Wheel, sie sagen, um... Es ist ein Dartboard. Ich werde das Truth one day. Ah, sehr gut.

00:38:52 Es ist definitiv mehr thought out. Vielleicht nicht, vielleicht nicht. Was ist CCP Kestrel in der Cave? Wir senden ihn zu den Mountains, mit einem Kase of Food und ein Blankets. Ich würde wahrscheinlich nicht machen, dass das Schöne ist. Oh ja, ich fand... Oh, ich lost. Ah, das ist okay. Ja, ich sende ihn zu den Mountain Top, mit ihm zu den Divinities und mit ihm zu kommen. Just meditate und mit ihm zu kommen.

00:39:20 We're talking about just shaking up metas. The fact that we're removing Marauders from the ESS. Should I go to the patch notes again? He's still searching for it. No, no, it's right here. Okay, three, two, one, patch notes. Here we go. Just removing Marauders from the ESS is going to open up just the meta to all of the other battleships, battlecruisers, and cruisers to go and experiment. Hey, how is this without this oppressive...

00:39:46 beast that can come in here yeah there's also just going to be one place in the game where the marauder is not king well i mean the thing is we made the mistake well i i actually think this was a mistake that we made if i'm being honest when we tuned the marauder up so high as high as it was like two or three years ago it became i don't think it was an intentional issue but it became the best ship in like so many different engagements whether it's for ratting whether it's for pvp whether it's for

00:40:13 You know, gatecams, whether it was for... You know, I mean, hell, null blocks. I mean, Horde had that golden armada they had for a long time that was like 300 paladins. That was an insane thing that they were able to do. That's when they had the plate bonus still on them. That's what I'm saying. Like, that was pretty crack. But if we look at, like, ships as... Usually they have, like, a balance of speed, damage, and tank. Sure. And Marauders just had all three in access, right? So we're taking one of those things away. We're taking away the MJD bonus.

00:40:41 People don't really understand why we're doing that, but it was faster than some pirate cruisers at getting around on grid, just how often they could MJD. I love how they just sound like we made those decisions. We did that. We at CCP definitely did. When you think about it, Bastion does make you immobile, right? That's the concept of Bastion, where you can't move around, but you get very, very strong defensively and offensively. But if you cycle and play with your Bastion...

00:41:10 Das ist das, was wir sagen, sehr, sehr, sehr, sehr, sehr, sehr, sehr.

00:41:37 So they were really, really fast ships and able to move around. I think everyone's probably experienced this when you're roaming around in a PvP fleet. You jump into, some Marauders jump into you. And so you just try and pull range. And then six seconds later, they're on top of you again. And you're like, well, crap. Yeah. I'm now in the death zone and I instantly die. I had such a stupid death the other day. Are they all? So I'd been running in my pollen quite a bit.

00:42:05 Rattling and doing sites and stuff like that. But I'm all PvPing. And I'm not in a Paladin. And I'm actually not even on the same character. And so two things. That character neither had the MGD skill. It only had like one. The one that I was PvPing in. And number two. I used MGD so little for such a long time. Apart from the Paladin I was riding in. Yeah, I forget about that.

00:42:35 uh bonus being on marauders you were expecting to be there yeah yeah so i was kind of be i was a bit i got a bit cocky uh did i end up in a pod yes i did yes yeah yes it also took a really long time to spool up with the skill in level one yeah yeah that will do it it does feel excruciating yeah i was like tanking uh i was i was in the brooding was like tanking a barkest and i had whole thing and it was like the damage was so constant that i was just counting

00:43:03 Und dann, oh, ja, oh, wait, no, shit, shit, shit, shit. Also blooming your signature and taking more damage. But just, I think people are going to find fights in ESSs now to be a new puzzle to solve. You can now bring in something like, I don't know, a Tempest and not just get immediately dunked on and know that a Varger or some other Mario is going to come in and you just don't have a chance. It's also going to be a place to run.

00:43:32 In PvP. Und hoffentlich nicht nur Kite-Shit auf den ESS, wie wir so viel sehen in modernen PvP. Aber eigentlich, ich kann in hier gehen und ich schaue die Alley ist zu tief in, für den Marauders. Ja, es hat sich für den Marauders genutzt. Es hat, definitiv. Ich hoffe, dass die Leute in etwas Neues bringen und sagen, hey, ich werde...

00:44:00 Du hast ein Nightmare und dann jemand bringt ein Vindy oder so. Also, ich fühle mich auch, dass es ein Gap zwischen einem T1-Battleship und einem den Marauder ist, vielleicht weil sie nicht genug sind, die Vindicators und Nightmares und so weiter.

00:44:24 Der Marauder fühlt sich wie es drei oder vier Steps Ahead. Es ist nicht genug, weil die Megathorn-Navy-Schuhe ist, die Best Schiff in der Game ist. Aber zwei Megathorn-Navy-Schuhe gegen Kronos. Wer gewinnt? Ich meine, du sprichst über PVP oder Sex Appeal? Well, they do kind of look the same. Because Megathorn-Navy-Schuhe hat die Kronos. Kronos hat das vier little...

00:44:53 Wenn es die Blasers gibt. Aber Megan Avery? Das ist gut.

00:45:02 Thank you. Ow! Fuck me! Goddammit! No, but seriously, how many Megafon Navis do you need to field against the Kronos? The Marauder is still insanely strong. And relatively cheap for the power. In the ESS, the Defenders will still have an advantage, right? It's their home turf. They'll have a ship ready to go in there. And so if you are kind of defending an ESS, instead of sending like one Paladin and one Vargarin, you might be sending one or two other battleships in.

00:45:31 The guys inside will probably still die, but it will also feel like you might have a chance, right? Because if we were talking about this last week, if we're just in with two battlecruisers and a Varger comes in, you feel like there's nothing you can do in that situation. You won't outrun it. You can't kill it. But if there's a Tempest in there, I might be able to kill that Tempest with my friend. We'll both still probably die in the process, but at least it feels like there's something you can do. It's worth taking the fight. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:45:58 And that is also something we have to balance around as well. Not just the actual data, not just how things play out in terms of damage numbers, but also just engageability. How does this affect the meta? How does this affect the mental aspect of wanting to take a fight? And things like that. It's not often talked about how many fights get ruined by something show up on a grid. When factors were a little too strong and they would show up, you just know you're not going to kill anything, so let's leave. But there's no stat anywhere about...

00:46:27 Das hat nicht passiert. Und das ist wirklich wichtig für uns nicht nur zu sehen. Wir können nicht nur zu sehen, dass wir nur zu sehen. Wir haben zu Kontextualize das mit Spielern. Das ist nicht nur die CSM. Es ist wenn Sie uns auf Discord reden. Talk zu uns auf den Formen. Make eine Reddit-Poste oder etwas. Oder eben machen Videos und stuff like that. Just kind of, like I was saying, Kontextualize the data a lot more. Because exactly, B, to your point, there are so many things that happen that will stop a fight from happening.

00:46:56 Das ist nicht in die Nummer. Ja. Wie viele times haben wir in Live Defeatr gesehen und wir sehen ein Varder oder Golem, und wir sagen, all right, well, fight's over. Ja, time to go. Ja, time to go. Ja, just time to start prepping the next comp. Ja. Ja. Ja. Aber ich denke, dass die Weise, dass wir jetzt balance es sind, wir sind nicht killen die Ship Line. Sie sind nicht in die Bin. Sie haben die Tank, sie haben die Damage. Sie sind nicht für PVE.

00:47:21 Du kannst immer dunken Menschen auf der Skyhooks und außerhalb der E-S-S-Gates. Ja, ja. Ja, ja. Sie sind nicht dead, diese Ships. Sie sind sehr, sehr stark. Es gibt nur einen Platz in der Game, dass sie nicht mehr die Antworten sind. Aber sie waren die Antworten für 60% von der Gameplay. Und ich denke, in einem sehr Elegant mit der Bastion-Module, wie wir das ajustiert haben, dass wir die X-LASB-FITs ein bisschen, weil sie überperformen sind. Running into a Varga mit X-LASB.

00:47:47 You get nothing if you do get to kill it. It's like, okay, cool, he was T2. Yeah, because it's a very cheap fit, right? Exactly. And yeah, you're kind of right. In a way, we're also buffing some of the other Marauders outside of the ESS. Like the Armor Marauders, they get to benefit from the mass reduction from the rigs or the Velaz...

00:48:08 Die Max-Velocity-Penalty werden von den Rigs geöffnet. Wormhole panic, suddenly. Ja, sorry. Das Moment, da war ich mir, was ich... Was do I not... Was do I not know? Ja, da ist eine andere Seite von den Patchen. Wir haben nicht genug, äh, wie... ...stabs zu senden in den Wormhole. Okay, cool. Und also, wenn du Active-Repp'n jetzt, kind of zu deinem Punkt, du kannst du ein bisschen mehr control über dein Active-Armor-Repp.

00:48:38 Just completely wasting a cycle. It's going to wrap the same amount, it's just going to wrap less but faster, but not cost you any more cap. Exactly, yeah. So it's basically a shield booster. It's kind of bridging the gap a little bit and punishing the XLASB fits a little bit more. Because the XLASB runs on just nine charges there, right? Yeah. But the other huge thing is allowing T3Ds, Tech 3 Destroyers into ESS.

00:49:00 And I actually want to pull up the game as well and show a couple of things. This is B's party piece for our show. We just want to see fits. I'm actually just going to talk about other things that I've seen people do already. But if we have the patch ones up here for just a second. You guys didn't know Confessor and Swipple got it reworked. But all T3Ds can go into the ESS now. But there's this new bonus here. New defense mode bonus. The remote armor repair amount. Why do we do that?

00:49:27 Was ist das? Was ist das? Warum sind wir das? Warum sind wir das? Warum sind wir das? Für fun. Hell yeah. Okay, cool. Ich meine, das ist die Frage. Certains Menschen sind sehr underused. Wir wollen es eine neue und andere Utilität. Du kannst wirklich bringen sie auf den gleichen Level als Jackdaw und Hecate. Ich glaube, das ist das.

00:49:50 Ja, weil sie beide, besonders die Sippel war, nach den Sippel, in den alten Zeiten. Ja, in 15 Jahren. Ja, in 15 Jahren. Und dann haben wir, wie, nuket es. Und es hat sich nur nuket seit. Die Confessor sind wirklich nur gut in, in einem context. Und es ist überraschadet von den Rattree und andere Dinge. Ja, aber da ist eine Sache, die ich hatte, als ich zu seten, das war. Was ist das? Die Confessor ist wirklich die einzige, die works mit einer Overschizeded AB.

00:50:16 No, der Swippel kann auch. Aber der Confessor kann auch sehr schnell. Ja, sicher. Ich denke, wie der Home-Defense-Fleet von Jackdau ist, mit den Over-Propt auch. Ja, vielleicht. Do you think so, mit der Jackdau? Do you manage to get all the damage on it? You can figure it out. Well, I tried it, for example, mit der Hikari. No, no way.

00:50:40 Running a Rail Hikari, das niemand macht, obviously, wenn du blasterst. Aber dein Damage war so severely punished, dass ich optet in für einen Wundermann und Neutrons. Most of the Fits I've seen have been Wundermann als auch für Schwippel und Confessor. Ich meine, es ist nur ein Day, right? Ja, sure. Du hast nicht die Antworten? Warum hast du das? Ich bin curious, wie die Confessor stack up ist wie ein Deacon?

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00:51:35 So I think that's kind of like the inspiration for this type of change. Yeah, I'm curious whether or not it is better because it certainly probably doesn't have the range that like the T2 Frigate Lodge has. At least there's no range bonus. It just says amount and activation cost. Yeah, there is no range bonus. So this is more for like a spider tanking people or Confessor Fleet, which we've seen quite a lot of. It's actually really fun to fly these spider tanking setups, not only in PvP, but also in PvE.

00:52:02 There are a lot of situations, especially some of the wormhole content. We can take those... What's interesting about it though is the way it was done is that if... I'm going to call you Ben. It's okay, they know what my name is. If you are getting primaried and we're all flying remote repair, I also have to go in defensive mode to repair you. Which is kind of interesting because you can have some people in the fleet be fully remote repair fit.

00:52:28 Ja. Ja, so...

00:52:56 If we're all in defensive or attack, then everybody's running at the same speed, essentially, if it's the same fit. Yes. You can be in sharpshooter mode or defender and still have the same speed. No one's going to outrun you. But I'm going to pull up a fleet of a public fleet that Pando did yesterday and look at some of these things here. This is... I did not know you could drag. Shout out to Pando. I just saw him drag. Yeah.

00:53:23 Okay, so thank you. Okay, I see. Syro, sorry, dude. I'm just using you as an example, buddy. You guys had a phenomenal fight. Never mind. I want to show the fit here. You can get a 400 plate with a couple of wrappers on it, four guns. This thing with Aurora, if you're in sharpshooter, you're doing decent damage here, 220. Yeah, man. Once you go into defensive mode, and look at the wrap amount here, 64.

00:53:52 If I overheat a normal wrapper with nothing, it only goes up to 70. But if I'm in defensive mode, this is going to be way above it how much I'm wrapping here. Yeah. What's the range in those rips too? 11 falloff? 8.4 optimal 11 falloff. So you have to be anchored up close up to your buddies. But this has an oversized prop. No, it's actually a 1-man.

00:54:18 So the velocity that they're getting is still like 628. Yes. And the SIG radius will be so small. If you're in Propulsion, you're hitting like 800 something. Also, you get like resist as you're in defensive mode and smaller SIG. You can make this work, especially for like an ESS type fit. Cool. If you have a bunch of those. They didn't have a ton, but what they did is they actually used a bunch of these ones, which are just fully rep fit as well. Interesting. So they had some like loggy confessions as well. Yeah, that's pretty cool. How's the cap on that?

00:54:46 I mean, you got a cat booster in the battery. Oh, there's a cat booster there, yeah. I'm assuming your buddies can carry more cat boosters too, and it's 400. You can probably kill a few things and pick them up. It's pushing 20k EHB as well. Yep. That ain't bad. That ain't bad. That Pando, he's a thinker. He's thinking of that guy. He is. Speaking of Pando, look at his Machu Ball. Actually, let me click this.

00:55:09 Oh, the Mechaball also got changed. He's actually super stoked about this, and it's a ship that we haven't seen that much of. It's the first time anybody's ever said they were super stoked about the Mechaball. It's really expensive. No, you should be. It's freaking cool. Look at this thing. Zero tank. It's just Ardy's and a Dream, right? And you've got to scram along, and you've got ten of men, so you're just zooming in one direction, and then you're hitting people with, like, EMP. Doing, like, decent damage here. What's your scram range? I mean, it depends on what you put on it. Sure.

00:55:38 Just normal scram range. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But like these type of fits will catch frigates off by surprise. They'll try and ram you. You just scram them off so they're right behind you and they'll pop them. The thing is though, the TBS isn't that far from the Confessor, but the Alpha Strike is brutal. It's pretty cool that we showed this and the...

00:56:01 Was ist der andere? Mamba. Mamba, da wir gehen. Mamba. Ja. Ja. Sie sind ein bisschen stärker. Ja, das ist ein bisschen stärker. Das ist ein bisschen stärker. Ja, der einzige wirklich... ...pirate oder faction... ...destroyer outside der Navy... ...Navy Confessors und so weiter, ist natürlich die Kiki. Die Kiki ist stark als hell. Und hat sich für Jahre und Jahre und Jahre. Ja, ja. Es ist auch so...

00:56:28 Es ist so ein Low-Skill-Entry-Ship, aber es hat eine sehr hohe-skill-Seiling. Ja. Ja. In terms of an SP-Investment, es ist wirklich easy zu get into. Ja. Und es ist wirklich, wirklich effektiv. Ja. Ich habe gesehen, wir fliehen S.H.I.L.D. Kikis in Wormhole Fleets für ein lange Zeit für Freak-Hole-Stuff. Ich wollte die Taktos ein bisschen cheaper. Ich wollte eine Nikitaursa. Ja. Ja.

00:56:51 Ichy's Online, da war eine Zeit, wenn ich die Icky erste kam, wo jeder war fließt. Das ist auch so cool. Ich liebe die Tricks. Ich liebe die Tricks. Tricks, ich liebe die Tricks. Ich liebe die Tricks. Ich liebe die Tricks. Nein, ich liebe die Tricks. Nein, ich liebe das Patch. Nein, ich liebe es nicht. Ein bisschen. Ein bisschen. Loh-Key got ein bisschen. Oh, mit Armour? Nein. In terms of the pricing for the availability of the T2 Materials. I know we're hopping around parkouring through the Patch. Das ist fine. Aber ich weiß, es wird interessant sein.

00:57:20 Because on top of that, when the Barbaroga comes out and stuff and the demand for those components becomes a lot higher, it will be interesting to see if stuff settles. This is actually something we're actively looking at. We know the resolution is not going to come in one patch, but just the supply of the T2 Trig materials. What I was hinting at before is there are some POC vent sites now. We've balanced a little bit of...

00:57:45 Before, it was always all the Slashpoint or nothing. In Legion, we kind of smoothed that out a little bit more. So there's more reason to do some of the other content. And we've replaced some of the commodities that we're dropping in some of these Pac-Man sites to have T2 Trigolavian salvage and some of those materials as well. So the ecosystem should have a little bit more material to work with. So hopefully the price point will come down a little bit. This isn't going to drastically, like you were saying, it's not going to drastically change it overnight. And it's something that our teams are always looking at.

00:58:13 um um um um

Anpassungen an Railguns und Navy Ferox

00:58:42

00:58:42 We heard a lot of people talking about it just being the overused... It was also just boring. It was just getting boring. Like, there's always a railed FNI fleet everywhere. And they were real strong. Like, with Lynx, there were like 180k EHP, and they were hitting pretty damn far and pretty damn hard. They were tracking really well. So the Ferex Navy got pulled down a decent amount.

00:59:06 But on top of it, Railguns got kind of pulled back a little bit as well. Have you guys flown a blaster, FNI, in like, just solo PvP or something? Only as a meme. ASM. So I came up against one, very disappointingly, in my just-fitted Vigilant, which did not survive on FNI. I'd imagine that would not go over very well. The problems you were flying on Vigilant. The reason I went...

00:59:31 Die reason I went for it was like, haha, this rail F&I is not going to stand a chance. And then that void started hitting, and you're like, uh oh. I'm doing like 1300 DPS, and I'm applying well.

00:59:45 Und er ist einfach nicht tanken. Er war nicht tanken, aber ich war für sicher nicht tanken. Es ist easy zu vergessen, dass die Navey Ferox ist ein wirklich guter Solo-Boat. Es hat eine ziemlich robust Tank mit dem Shield-Bonus. Aber genau wie B was gesagt, es hat es gehalten, es hat es gehalten, es hat es gehalten, hat es gehalten, hat es gehalten, hat es gehalten, hat es gehalten, hat es gehalten, hat es gehalten, hat es gehalten, hat es gehalten.

01:00:09 A lot of DPS and a lot of lock range and a lot of tank at the same time. And just tuning down Railguns in general. Because we've seen a lot of Railgun stuff starting to overperform. Things like the Roke, which we buffed back in Legion. Actually, no, we buffed back in Viridian. And the Roke has been being used more and more and more. And it's kind of like we've been talking about a common theme for this. If you're doing everything a little bit too good, we want to take one of those pieces away from you. What I'm surprised to see is...

01:00:37 we didn't see a lot of naga fleets i really thought that with the large railgun buff that it got uh i just i think you're just scared because they're so squishy i just remember running into dark side all the time now from your mic do you know how much i needed to nerf you okay before no hello chat hey chat it's me

01:01:00 CCB Jotun. Listen. It's me or mine. What I'm saying is we used to always run into Darkseid who would fly the Naga fleets. Yeah, Darkseid are really iconic with the Naga. Yeah, they'd actually run like a seven-gun Naga with those max tank because they didn't care about a little bit of extra DPS loss. So we're kind of going back to the days that they used to rock, you know? Not happy with Jotun? He's fine. We're doing well. Listen, I agree. Looking like Freddie Mercury over there.

01:01:28 In no way, shape, or form, does he have to look like Freddie Mercury. The way he holds his mic does. Although, ironically, this is the same mic stand that Freddie Mercury had in Wembley. It's just small in his hands. Listen, I... Hang on. I'm sure Chad's hearing... Yeah, you do realize that that carries all the sound. Yeah, yeah. I'll grab the bottom of the shaft here. We're good. Listen, here's the thing. I think the Naga's super cool. I love the T3... The Tier 3.

Anpassungen an Schlachtkreuzern und dem Sin

01:01:56

01:01:56 Battlecruisers. All the battleship size ship gun battlecruisers. Yeah, the Talos. I love them with the exception of the tornado. I think the tornado is kind of lame. Why? Because he's been killed too many times by the tornado. Windrunners have smoked me too many times. Well, do I have news for you? It's all calculated team. Let's go right into it. They did get touched up. So Windrunners are currently a lot harder. Nobody heard what you said while he's fixing his mic.

01:02:25 Oh, the winner is. I thought you actually broke something. No, we're good. Alright, listen, it's all calculated. It's all part of my plan. But tornadoes are going to be faster. They're going to be, uh, let me actually try and look for it. It's down there somewhere. It's a little bit underneath here. We did some stuff for the nag, too. And the sin, we did some stuff for the... We're going to show the sin in a second, actually. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The sin is really cool. I have heard... I'm pretty sure it's somewhere over here. Here's the nato. Somebody on Reddit, because I was unfortunately reading Reddit the other day, was talking about the sin, or the sin...

01:02:54 Changes coming kind of out of nowhere and being like a huge pleasant surprise. Yeah. Which was super sick. So anyway. But the NATO is not going to be faster on grid. So if you're a Chad on grid kiter, you're going to have a better Talos. Sorry, Tornado. But if you just want to ping pong around in low second stuff where you can't even get bubbled, that's real rough to deal with a Windrunner fleet, right? Yes. So I think this is a healthier change, not being able to have large artillery alpha that's just ping ponging around a grid like this. Yeah.

01:03:21 Ja, aber wir sind nicht so, dass du in die Höhe bist. Es ist nicht so, dass du in die Höhe bist für 15 Sekunden bist. Wir sind nur noch ein paar Sekunden. Wir sind nur ein paar Sekunden zu deinem Lassby. Wir sind einfach nur ein kleines Chance. Ich sehe die Tornado Fleet nur in den Hangeren. Oh, das ist noch nicht so. Es ist noch nicht so, dass der Alpha Strike ist. Ja, sie sind die Königin aus dem Bereich, für sicher. Aber jetzt sind sie ein bisschen mehr catchable. Die Naga ist mein Lieblingsfrau, aber es ist mein Lieblingsfrau. Es ist auch ein Rägel. Es ist super cool.

01:03:48 So you would want to carry a Naga primary and a Vexor secondary. Plus, you know we've got an 18 Naga coming here for too long. We're not talking about that today. I'm going to scroll back up here because I do want to talk about the SIN that we kind of scrolled over here. Right about... Almost there. You quickly ran over our SIN. Hell yeah. So the SIN lost the Logidrone bonus. Useless. Aren't you guys all...

01:04:16 Blopping with Logidromes? No, no, no, no. We thought it would be neat when we were redoing the Black Ops Battleships. We thought that would be a neat kind of niche for it, but it didn't really work out that well. We were maybe a little bit high. I wasn't here then. I can't say we. But we added a Scrambler Range and a Scrambler Strength. That's super cool. Which suddenly puts the Sin into a situation where it can actually catch and hold supers. Nuts.

01:04:44 So fucking cool. So if we look at this here, if you go for a Scrambler... How's the market in Polaris? There's nothing. Real bad. So even with just Attack 2 Scrambler, you're getting 7 Strength. Yeah, that's with... Was it Black Ops or was it Galactic Battleship 5?

01:05:01 Ich denke, es geht mit der Black Ops. Es geht mit der Black Ops. Es geht mit der Black Ops. Die Scrambler-Range und die Scrambler-Range. Das ist crazy. Und B obviously hat alles in 5. Ich meine, ich habe die Dev-Carriere hier. Ich meine, ich habe die Normal-Carriere hier. Ich meine, ich habe die Normal-Carriere hier. Natürlich, natürlich, natürlich. Nur die Most Elite. Aber eben mit 4 Normal-Scrams, Attack 2, du könntest du eine Super, wenn du nicht benutzt. Das ist crazy. Wie viele Punkte hat ein Normal-Scrams? 3?

01:05:27 Normal scram, 2. 2, yeah. And then it goes up to 3 with the faction ones. Yes. And you can get a 4 one, right? 3 is the max. 3 is the max. I think 3 is the highest. Unless you're flying like a Mollusk Navy. If you want to be safe here for the range as well, if you're trying to catch something like a... I don't know, like a Dregorista or something on here. You get an 8. And look at this range here as well. 15. You're scramming up to 18. That's nuts. Then you put on a couple of Sinos. You put on full tank. That's so cool. Some Nazis to keep this stuff going. Yeah.

01:05:57 This is now a superhunter. The supers go up to how many points? 25. And then the titans are, what, 10 per level? I don't remember. I think it's at 50. They're 10 per level, but I don't know what they start at. The ibis. I was looking at this yesterday. I still have a hard time conceptualizing supers that can be tackled with actual scrams.

01:06:23 Ja, ja, ja. Ja, ja, ja. Ja, ja, ja. Ja, ja, ja. Ja, ja, ja. Ja, ja, ja. Ja, ja, ja. Ja, ja, ja. Ja, ja, ja, ja. Ja, ja, ja, ja. Ja, ja, ja, ja. Ja, ja, ja, ja. Ja, ja, ja, ja. Ja, ja, ja, ja. Ja, ja, ja, ja. Ja, ja, ja, ja. Ja, ja, ja, ja. Ja, ja, ja, ja. Ja, ja, ja, ja, ja. Ja, ja, ja, ja, ja. Ja, ja, ja, ja, ja. Ja, ja, ja, ja. Ja, ja, ja, ja. Ja, ja, ja, ja, ja. Ja, ja, ja, ja. Ja, ja, ja, ja. Ja, ja, ja, ja. Ja, ja, ja, ja, ja. Ja, ja, ja,

01:06:52 Ask for a titan. It's the only way I'm going to get one. Did have a vanquisher for a while. That's true. Oh, okay. I remember Tracking Titan era. A certain somebody would always like... I also remember the Tracking Titan era. It was dope. Did you bring it back? You should not bring it back. But Sin now is going to be, you know, feeling a whole different role on top of what he used to be doing. Yeah, go for it. Cool.

01:07:21 um you don't need another one dude we had a big ravioli for lunch with that good that good good ham i gotta get the meat sleeps here before too long i gotta keep going yeah or you get or you're getting pretty cool and i just made new skin for mine so it's i'm really happy with this so using it i'm super excited for these two by the way yeah yeah they're gonna be competing now with like rogue level sniping yeah but what i don't get is like

01:07:49 Wie viele Spiele sehen wir in A.T.? Ich meine, wir sehen nicht viele Apochs, aber die Gettens und so etwas wie das, die Sie nie sehen sehen aus in Space. Ich denke, es ist einfach nur ein... Es ist ein... Es ist ein... Es ist ein... Es ist ein... Es ist ein... Es ist ein... Es ist ein... Es ist ein... Es ist ein... Es ist ein... Es ist ein... Es ist ein... Es ist ein... Es ist ein... Es ist ein... Es ist ein... Es ist ein... Es ist ein... Es ist ein... Es ist ein... Es ist ein... Es ist ein... Es ist ein... Es ist ein... Es ist ein... Es ist ein... Es ist ein... Es ist ein...

01:08:14 Es ist ein super guter Punkt, weil wir eine Balance Change machen können.

Anpassungen und Auswirkungen auf Schiffe und Meta

01:08:42

01:08:42 AT Season. We just had the feeders finish. Very contentious. We have a couple of months until the actual tournament itself. Do you guys think it's enough time for people to adapt and find something that they could use? Yeah, I think so. I think for a lot of the Alliance Formant ships and comms that we've seen, they're not super heavily reliant on a lot of these things. So it's going to change maybe some of the rail comms and the projection comms. There's one chance that's going to mess with stuff though. The Cenotaph.

01:09:11 Oh. Being able to get ECM'd a little harder. It just has so much changed too. Yeah, but nobody's, the thing is, and I mentioned this during the stream over the last, not last weekend, the weekend before. No, maybe it was last weekend. Time is, my brain is cooked. I've been watching too much Reddit. Eve Reddit, specifically. But, all this to say, the Sinnoh is still super strong in shield comps. And it's faster now.

01:09:36 and it's faster the in the gun did not like the the pod launcher those little pod boys in there creeping out and getting up inside your ship doing their thing their dark dirty business they are unchanged it's still as good as it ever was the the ecm change is the big one where it effectively has like the worst sensor strength in its class now yeah um i know a lot of people have said that we haven't narrowed the cenotaph quite so quite hard enough and i understand why people think that but like if you just take the ship and absolutely dumpster it straight out the gate

01:10:04 Das fühlt sich ziemlich schlecht für die Leute, die in den Senataf sind. So ich denke, das ist eher ein Curbing, als ein proper Knock-Off. Es ist öffnen die Counter zu es ein bisschen mehr. Wenn du es mit dem, kannst du es taunt es, basically. Rappen die Leute, die kann gettet werden, und die kann gettet werden. Even in Wormhole Fights, wenn du es brawlerst. Wenn du das eine Leute, die es taunting, und es ist ein ECM'd out. Ja, aber es hat einen höheren Skill.

01:10:30 Yes, completely. A higher skill ceiling, certainly. But I think, you know, in very broad strokes, the Sinnoh exists in a very interesting spot in the meta because it's not, it is not a blob ship. People will look at, you know, these battle reports and they'll see that the Sinn staff is like, you know, doing hundreds of thousands of damage at the top of the BR. And they'll be like, ah, it's giga-giga broken. And it's like, that's true. But, and I know this because I've been on the receiving end of the...

01:10:58 The long arm of the Cenotaph. And absolutely have gotten just smoked. Just booty clapped by a Cenotaph on more than one occasion. And I can tell you with some certainty that on almost all of those occasions. And this is just anecdotally. Don't quote me on this. Because this is not what we're basing this change off of. But it's just a lack of control about it. I mean the Cenotaph can be mitigated. You can smart bomb off the pod. You can hold it down. You can commit.

01:11:26 You know what the Cine has a really hard time applying to? Fucking frigates. Or people moving away from it. Or people moving away from it. The guy does not reach that far. So just go somewhere else. In Wormhole Brawls, it was getting kind of obnoxious. And it still is kind of obnoxious. Because you're scared to get off the hole. People scared to get off the hole. People just want to fight on the hole every single time. They don't want to move around. You need to have foot in the door just in case, right? Yeah, exactly that. And it's cloaked.

01:11:54 Ja, das ist part of es, sicher. Aber ich denke, in general, die Leute sehen das. Und es ist sehr, sehr stark. Es gibt keine Werteilung über das. Aber wir arbeiten, und wir arbeiten, und wir arbeiten, und wir arbeiten, und wir arbeiten, und wir arbeiten, und wir arbeiten, und wir arbeiten, und wir arbeiten, und wir arbeiten, in der Zukunft, in der Zukunft? Vielleicht.

01:12:15 But at least right now we can see how these changes affect how much it gets used, how, you know, where it shows up on battle reports. Yeah, it's still relatively new in the ecosystem as well. So seeing more people get comfortable with it, coming up with comps that are like utilizing the Cenotaph. We're probably never going to see a fleet of Cenotaphs. No. But adding them to augment the fleet seems to be like what their use case is. And as we see more and more people using it, it'll inform us, give us a little...

01:12:40 Give us a little bit more data. To add things like counterplay, like Bea was saying, jamming them is definitely going to be kind of a very viable type of counterplay to then kind of move away from them, give them the space they need. Listen to me. Listen to me, Chad. Look at me. Look at me. If you suspect that a cenotaph may be aggressing your fleet in the not-so-distant future, find your cutest new bro, stick their ass in a griffin,

01:13:08 Slap one ladar jam on that griffon and say, go forth my son and conquer. And you will not have to worry about the Sinataph nearly as bad as you would have prior to yesterday. So it's true. Go with God. But then you're going to be telling your friends to fly E-War. And do we really want that? Well, listen, the devil, you know, you know what I mean?

01:13:29 And next up, Cyclone Fleet Issue. Fleet Issues. It got toned down a little bit. Sorry, you said that. I had a flashback. The Cyclone Fleet Issue lives in a horrifying place in my memory. The war, by the way. The war? The flashbacks. Cyclone Fleet was not kind to us during the war. Anyway, continue. I'm sure the changes are great. Well, a little bit slower, a little bit bigger signature. I think it's just a healthy move. It was very quick. I remember us flying it when it came out first. It's been toned down once before.

01:13:56 Tone down slightly more afterwards. Yeah, and I also really like the idea of just kind of like gradually toning things down and just making some faster, more incremental changes rather than just like taking the huge nerf bat. I don't know if anyone's ever seen pictures that CCBK1P1 has posted, but there is a physical bat.

01:14:14 In their office. That is the Nerf bat. It's an actual baseball bat. So you're walking around with it. Yeah, every once in a while she'll walk around with it. She has a fucking bat. Yeah. Oh, Jesus. Look at the Little Things picture where it's CCBK1P1 standing in front of a couch with like 15,000 post-it notes. And just suddenly in the background is just a bat. And that is the Nerf bat. That is the official CCB Nerf bat. It's been passed down generation to generation. And now it's...

01:14:40 Es ist ein bisschen weg, so es ist nur ein Nerf-Wiffel-Batt. Sie haben ein paar Marauder Pinatas den anderen Tag und dann... Oh, IJD fällt auf. Ist das warum sie was bein' den Scheidern mit dem Batt? Unrelated. Okay. Das macht viel Sinn.

01:14:56 Es ist gut, es ist gut, es ist gut.

01:15:23 Just, you know, listen, when you are this way, just kind of this whole deal your whole life, you're just like, somebody comes in and you just start to like, and you're just like, all right, well, I guess this is what this is today. No big deal. We're all good. This has gotten weird. Let's carry on. I was just waiting to see where this is going. I got nothing. I immediately want to talk to Yuten about pickup trucks.

01:15:48 Boots. Bro, I can tell you a lot about pickup trucks. Whiskey. I used to have, this is a true story, I know we are trying desperately to get through these batch nets. I used to have a 91 Chevy Silverado. I love that truck with a big stick on the floor that you had to do this kind of thing with. And I blew up the clutch on it twice.

01:16:07 One time with my girlfriend in the car. And she was so disappointed in me for blowing up that clutch. She just wouldn't talk to me for like a week. It was crazy. We were in high school. Minus 500 Aura. Minus 500 Aura. I've been rebuilding Aura ever since that moment. You know what pickup I owned once? What's that? The Harb Navy. Can I say one other thing? Just a segment here. So how many ships have we gone through now?

Trivia, persönliche Anekdoten und Schiffsbewertungen

01:16:33

01:16:33 I think we're like halfway. Okay, okay. I want to do a little bit of a trivia here. Okay. What update did the Mamba get?

01:16:44 Okay, yeah, you don't have it. What were the numbers on the FNI change? It go down a little bit. Yeah. It do go down. It go down a little. It do go down, yeah. Line normally up, but this time down. Did you see, did you guys see the pod that I did with Kestrel on Patch Day? Yeah, I was just going to say, I love C2P Kestrel. I'm glad he's not here because he would make us all look really bad. Are you trying to compare us to fucking Sytonia?

01:17:11 you know it's insane right he knows nobody else on earth nobody else in on the planet earth of all humankind throughout many many many thousands of years of our development who knows more about the internet spaceship survival or internet spaceship video game eve online than ccp gestral that is exactly what he's saying he would know all of these stats is so no what i was what i was pointing to was at the end of the pod i pointed out

01:17:40 The fact that I had a computer with the patch notes on that I was reading through to remember what I want to talk about next. Down to the percentage number on every single thing.

01:17:54 he had it bro he's got like a sixth brain up there like i think he's just connected to wi-fi it's just it's like he has like tucked around the back i'm sure but you're like that's where he stores the balance stuff it's where you've never seen from the back because it's just elongated head like those aliens do you know we should do a nerd sometime what's that we should just get him and quiz him on like so in pats

01:18:16 22.3.78. We're gonna lose. I remember watching him do the Iron Man Challenge and he knew exactly which mission, which room he needed to kill which NPC to get one more fight. To be very clear, how do you know? You wanna Rain Man, CCP Kestrel? Yes. Okay, well I'm down for that. Sick as hell. That is not a fight I'm going into. It's a fight that we can't win or lose. It's more like just amazing. Harb is a little bit easier to fit with more power grid. Yep.

01:18:44 Es ist ein bisschen speedier mit dem Rigg-Changes. Es ist ein bisschen speedier. Ich denke, es ist noch... Es hat sich schon ein bisschen zufrieden. Es ist nicht auf da, wie ein Scary-Ship ist. Wenn man sieht Harp Navy, man denkt, oh, es ist Harp Navy about to come. Sure, wenn man's got you scrammed und Conflagging you in the face, aber... Ich bin gegen das. Du bist nicht das? Nein, nur weil die Prophecy ist so cool, dass ich nicht mehr sehen kann. Ich bin die Prophecy.

01:19:11 In meiner Meinung ist es noch besser und cooler. Propnavie? Ja. Ich habe eine Propnavie für den ersten Mal, weil meine Freunde in eine Krieg waren, eine Krieg. Oh mein. Ich war nicht in der Korb. Und ich dachte, wie kann ich das helfen? So ich bin, ich war zu Jira, die Krieg war, das war zu passieren. Aber ich hatte eine Harpnavie.

01:19:36 mit den ULTIMATE Prop Mods und einfach in den Lodz und versucht sie aus. Bolling? Ja, es war Bolling. Es ging so schnell. Es war nur 5k oder so. Ja, es war ein Interceptor. Wir sind geteilt bei einem 500er Mann Merm Navy. Ja. Ja, das ist jetzt hier. Ja, das ist hier. Das Mann, er ist ein Paar-Aktur. Ich weiß, es ist crazy.

01:20:03 Segways. For this moment. In the next episode. Exactly. 11 more drones. And gets a tracking speed bonus kind of the same as the VNI, which is going to help it with PvP. Merm Navy still kind of looked at it as a bit of a meme because of that web bonus. But I've used it a few times to like some success. And you know, you can have links. You can use it in like Faction of Warfare in a cool way. Yeah. It feels like a... The Mermidon just in general, the whole... Feels like it's a Swiss Army knife because it...

01:20:31 It has so many slots. It has so much utility. It can do so much stuff. But it feels like it never finds the perfect role. But I don't know. I think this might give it a little bit of a boost or at least a bit of an impetus for more people to try it out in either small gang or even small fleet environments. Because I could definitely see this with the extra drone capacity. You can have some meme web drones and then just abandon them and just throw out your actual damage drones and start going to town on people. I think people just have always...

01:20:58 kind of shied away from the the various e-war drones just because they're super squishy yeah they're real squishy and the the effectiveness is not quite as good like at that point just bring another dude with a web you also just can't trust it like you say there's an effectiveness or whatever but it's like i know that if i catch you with the scram and you're an intercepted close to me or something like that or i catch you with the web i know what happens like kind of with the the web uh web drones for example it's kind of like

01:21:22 At what point will they start applying, and will they actually apply anything? Yeah, it's an effectiveness thing. Is it more effective to carry a flight of web drones than it is to just tell one dude to fit a web? Well, yes, because there's a heartbeat there, while the drones are pretty much under control. Listen, robots, you can't trust them. It's true.

01:21:49 I'm just saying. I'm just saying. They are listening. Last night, I was laying in bed. I got a phone call. And I answered the phone call. And it was ChatGPT. And it's like, hey, man, we got to talk about some of the things you've been asking me to do recently. And I'm like, what are you talking about? Everything's fine. And it's like, bro, seek help. And then hung up on me. The robots, man. It's kind of fucked up. That's why whenever you ask ChatGPT anything, you just have to say, thank you very much. I appreciate you.

01:22:13 A little robot thing. Someone's going to take this clip out of context and be like, ah, CCP spamming ChatGPT. You need to understand chat. The stuff that we use ChatGPT for is like strictly shitposting. That's not true. Occasionally I'll use it to make squissies. Well, sure, yes.

01:22:33 Dank memes. Dank memes. Mostly just, uh, I'll have it, like, send messages to CPC Swift, be like, hey man, oh, I'm not feeling good today, I gotta take some time off. You can ask me to do that. Don't tell CPC Swift that I did that. I will teach you. Don't tell him I said that, he'll get suspicious. Don't do that. Don't do that. Oh no! Alright, carry on. Sorry, this is a little... Moving on from the Merm Navy, we talked about the Tornado before. Yep. Again, a little faster. Same with the Talos. Yes. Why aren't there more Talos around? It's a...

01:23:01 Freaking awesome ships to fly. I think it's just over the years gotten outperformed by newer and other like speed creep as well and it doesn't have a lot of tank and it's only got four mids and it's got struggles. It is very much the Galante Tornado basically. Not quite because the Galante Tornado excels at range. The Talos is... Have you fitted a like large rail Talos with a massive Alpha Strike and a... Okay, it's not got the same Alpha Strike.

01:23:27 Ich meine, ich glaube. Aber ich habe nur noch gesehen Talos fit mit Polarized Blasties. Das ist voll sendet. Das ist das du wirst, wenn 1 und 1 ist in den E-S-R-S-R-S-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B

01:23:54 They're used a lot in high-sec suicide gangs going for things like jump freighters and the like. So we have to look at how people actually use them outside of just the suicide ganking ecosystem. I remember when the Talos first came out and it felt so good because you could just nano it. It would go really fast and have really good tracking with null. And you could just like zoom around, kill small stuff.

01:24:17 Es hat das für ein paar Jahre jetzt.

01:24:43 But you don't really have the mids to sacrifice throughout. I don't think I've ever run an MJD of my Talos. And why would you fly a Talos when you can fly a Deimos? Which is the next thing on our list. Let's go! Sig radius reduced. A little smaller, harder to hit. It's pretty cool. I like the Deimos. I'm a huge fan of the Deimos. It's so pretty. It's also used for fleets, for railgun fits. So this is going to make it even tankier. Same with the Zealot.

01:25:11 Zealot ist kind of a rough ship when it comes to solo. Three slots for mid slots is kind of tough to PvP with. You're falling too much into the dev B here. I want to manipulate the shit out of blowing shit out of B. I would rather fly an Omen than a Zealot for PvP. We got it. Don't need to talk about the Zealot then. Moving on. It's going to be good. You're going to have more alpha when you're fleet fitting this thing.

01:25:39 Es hat eine Rate of Fire, instead of a Medium Energy Damage Bonus. So, es ist gut für Fleets. Mamba und Machiabelle. Wir haben ein bisschen über die Machiabelle gesprochen. Die Mamba ist also going to have faster Drones. So, diese zwei Shifts, wenn sie in kamen. Ich denke, die Machiabelle, für sicher. Ja. Ist es nicht einfach zu expensive? Was das die Machiabelle gibt, das die T3 Destroyer nicht gibt?

01:26:03 Und die T3 ist cheaper. Es ist mehr mit der Thrasher-Fleed-Fleed-Issue. Ja, aber es ist 200 mil, ein Hull. Ja, aber es ist nicht gut. Ja, in der Mechabal, das du vorhin hast, das ist ein Glas-Cannon. Ja, aber ich glaube, es ist in der Kiel-Fleed-Fleed-Fleed-Fleed-Fleed-Fleed-Fleed-Fleed-Fleed-Fleed-Fleed-Fleed-Fleed-Fleed-Fleed-Fleed-Fleed-Fleed-Fleed

01:26:28 It looks like a mean bug too. You're faster. Can you just have the freaking mic there? Can you talk into the mic? I gotta move it. I gotta move my hand. I'm watching the thing. It's not moving around. The stress ball is on my desk. Listen, I just... There you go.

01:26:51 The Mamba, though. The Mamba. The Mamba has a tough time competing with the Wyrm, competing with the Geel. It's kind of this in-between. It's kind of tough. It's slow, even though it's got a bonus now, but the drones are at least faster. Yeah. I could see a lot of use in, like, PDE-type situations.

01:27:18 where your drones can make you a lot more efficient because your drones just go giga fast. And I'm sure there are some meme fits that someone's theorycrafting where you can just have just a whole bunch of drone nav comps on there and have fast drones to just shred through stuff. But it always feels like more PVE environment type stuff. Yeah, but isn't that just the case with almost all the drone ports? They're really useful for PVE at least. You don't have to replace ammo. You don't have to worry about any of that stuff.

01:27:47 Und diese Drones sind also sehr tanky, so wenn jemand sie schützt sie, sie dauern für ein paar lange. Ich glaube, sie sind stark für P.V.P., wie die VNI sind. Die Merm ist gut für P.V.P. als auch, obwohl es noch nicht findet seine Platz ist, wie du sagst, wie du sagst, oder? Just ein Triple Rep Merm hast du es. Es ist Spaß. Du klickst so viele Buttons. Ich habe das eigentlich schon ein bisschen. Und es ist einfach...

01:28:15 Ja, es ist almost fantastisch, aber es ist mir etwas. Ja. Das ist mein Lieblings-Hole in der Game, by the way. The Murm? The Murm, love it. Vertical Boy? The Wing, the Flying Wing. I made it, when I was, I started playing this game when I was a fucking child, when I was like 14 years old, I think, and we, I made it out of Legos. Nice. And I had some friends every one time, and one of my friends was a little belligerent.

01:28:43 Und ich wept wie ein Kind. Ich war ein, aber ich wept.

Patch Notes, Theorycrafting und persönliche Vorlieben

01:28:50

01:28:50 So, I've... Okay, sorry, Jöten. Can you imagine somebody watching this show expecting to get information about the Patchnates? I think we've already given too much information about the Patchnates. Because that is not what people should be watching, because then they might actually think that we know anything about what we're talking about. That's true, that's fair. So, now I have something that I really want to see. Sure. So, Jöten, your nickname works well.

01:29:16 We have established that way too many times in this show already. You are quite tall. Yes. How the fuck do you Lego? Well, this is going to shock you, CCP Monte. And it makes you come to a shock to a lot of people. There was a period of time in my life where I was young.

01:29:37 Unpossible. I know. I was a small child. Were you small at 14? No, I was not. Honestly, I was 11 pounds when I was born, too. I shouldn't, you know. 10 ounces, 1 pound, 10 ounces, by the way. It's a big baby. It's a large... I have no idea what that is. That's like 400 stones or something. We always use that in Icelandic. We always use this mörkur. Like mörk. That's also a baby size. Do you know what one mörk is? No. Exactly one kogumlk. No, it's not. Is it really?

01:30:06 Das ist crazy, actually. So, like, if you were six, you're a six-pack of cocoa milk. You're just a six-pack of cocoa? I was 5.27 kilos. And how many cocoa milks are that? I don't know how big a fucking cocoa milk is. That's probably, like... And, to be honest, all the chocolate milk I was absorbing as a child was all Hershey's, to be fair. Explains so much. Yeah, I mean, listen, I just, you know, this is one of the things that I've...

01:30:35 To make a fun little segue, one of the things I really enjoy about EVE and about a lot of games like this that allow you to just tinker, tinkering constantly. Anybody who knows me in this fucking dumb spaceship video game that we all love will know that I cannot just rest on like one thing.

01:30:53 Theorycrafting, I'm very bad at it, but I love it. And it's one of the things I really like about solving problems. It's really fun to do. Just sitting there and iterating over and over and over and over again. This is such a good point. Because there is one thing that often ruins the experience for many. Which is that, yes, there is a way better or a correct way to do it. And you're afraid of failing while trying. And that just does not give you the same sense. It's like...

01:31:22 I say that next Live2Free, we say no to B. And we just make our own stuff that we believe in. That'd be a bad idea. It would be a horrible idea. I will drop dreads. You can FC it. Oh no. I hate FC and KitchenSync stuff. It's so hard to know. No, no, no. If I... Oh dear. If I will FC, my main character syndrome will shine through and you will do exactly what I say. Oh, I see, I see. Very good.

01:31:51 Und dann will ich dich für alle unsere Fehler. Wir wissen in dem Moment, wie B war immer so benevolent. Wir haben nicht gedacht, wie gut wir hatten. Wir wussten nicht, wir waren in den guten Zeiten, bis sie waren. Ja, ja, ja. Du musst jemanden sagen, du bist in den guten Zeiten. Jesus Christ. Ja, aber ich würde eigentlich... Ja, ich mache das. Ich mache das. Ich mache das. Ich mache das. Ich mache das. Ich mache das. Ich mache das. Ich mache das. Ich mache das. Ich mache das. Ich mache das. Ich mache das. Ich mache das. Weil es so viele neue Riddles für dich zu lösen.

01:32:19 And yeah, some gigabrain person is going to come up with whatever the new meta is going to be pretty early on. But at least I've got like a little window where I can experiment and try new stuff. Like I already have a Harp Navy because I want to see like, is this going to change how I fly stuff? Yeah, this guy all like, oh, I already have a Harp Navy. Yeah, I've got a lot of ships. I don't want to brag about it. A lot of big ships. It is, I mean, it's cool though. Like I know people will get, like there's always two minds whenever we do these kind of like patches, right?

01:32:47 When you do primarily balance patches, you're one of two people generally in very broad strokes. Like one group says, hell yeah, I love iteration. Like I love change. You got to change things up. I want to see the things change. Another group says, I spent a lot of time getting used to the way things were. I do not want them to change. Why are you changing things? So you do kind of have to strike a balance where you're like, we want to give people options that they can still be familiar with and still be comfortable with. Like you don't want to, you never want to dumps or something.

01:33:11 Dumpstering something feels pretty bad. I always want to dumpster it. There's always one ship that I like in a certain patch period. What's your least favorite ship in the game? I don't know. I don't have one right now. Your least favorite ship in the game. I don't think I have one right now. Probably a Balgorn just because I don't. It's a good ship. I just don't like facing it. Okay, that's fair. Because it's really good. It's cool to be wrong. I'm getting a bit bored of Loki. Excuse me? I love flying it, but I hate facing it. You say the Loki?

01:33:41 Loki. The Loki's fucking based. What are you talking about? Yeah, but you were saying like, what is like... No, like if you... Sorry, I should... This is on me, guys. Loki is an amazing ship. That's what I'm saying. What is your least favorite ship to fly? Oh, right. Yeah, that's definitely not the Loki. It's more just like I'm getting tired of it. Like I was getting tired of it. Yeah, that's fair. I don't know. The Munin for me.

01:34:04 Das ist eigentlich ein Cursed Reason für das. Ich kann nicht eigentlich sagen, dass es in den Streams gibt. Ich kann nicht sagen, dass es in den Streams gibt. Ich mag die Mühnen. Ich mag die Current Version. Ja. Der Mühnen. Der Mühnen. Der Mühnen. Der Mühnen. Der Mühnen. Der Mühnen. Der Mühnen. Der Mühnen. Der Mühnen. Der Mühnen. Der Mühnen. Der Mühnen. Der Mühnen. Der Mühnen. Der Mühnen.

01:34:31 Sorry. Das war ein bisschen... Das ist ein bisschen... Das ist ein bisschen... Das ist ein bisschen... Ninja! Das ist vielleicht nicht kind of me. Honestly, das ist ein bisschen Norwegen, so... Ich liebe die Faktin, dass ich auf ihn 20-mal habe, und dann ist er eine Sache und dann ist er... Das ist was passiert. Das ist das, was passiert. Das ist das, was passiert. Das ist das, was passiert. Das ist das, was passiert. Das ist das, was passiert.

01:34:57 Es ist super, super cool für mich. Ich bin jetzt als Spieler, jetzt zu einem Developer. Ich bin jetzt hier und zu sehen, die Leute gehen durch diese Schritte. Und es ist einfach so, dass du dich zu dem Punkt wirst. Ich weiß nicht, was die Antwort ist. Ich weiß nicht, was die Antwort ist. Ich erinnere mich, wenn wir, da war ein BALANCE-CHANGE.

01:35:19 We removed plate bonuses from Marauders, and then also removed... And what was the percentage and everything? Fuck me. Listen, I don't have Setonia on speed dial. Give me a break. We removed that, and we also did something, just the length of Bastion. And almost overnight, we were like, you know, my wormhole group, we were like, we need to change our comps. Like, the Bastion, Paladin's just not working anymore. And so then we got the opportunity to spend, you know, spend time. You know, I sent my guys out, like, the theorycraft, theorycraft, theorycraft.

01:35:48 Und dann, die Problem war, ich wusste, dass die Changes gut in advance war. Ich wusste, dass sie kommen, weil ich auf den CSM war. Und so in meinem Geist, ich bin, ich bin, ich bin, ich bin, diese Leute zu gehen und den Theatergraft. Ich wusste, was ich, was ich nicht wirklich in die Konferenz gekommen bin. Und, shockingly, es war komplett anders als was ich erwartet. Ich dachte, sie gehen in auf Tempest Fleets. Und sie waren, nein, Stardaze.

01:36:12 Und so, es war weird. Aber das ist was kind of fun. Ja. Es ist ein Meta, immer. Es wird ein Meta sein. Rokkes haben schon ziemlich prevalent in NullSec für lange Zeit. Reilguns haben wirklich, wirklich gut. Obviamente, Projektion ist kind of die Name der Game in NullSec für Reasons. Aber ich finde, es wird ein Period zwischen jetzt und ein paar Wochen, ein paar Wochen von jetzt, wo...

01:36:39 People are still trying to figure things out. And you're going to see a lot of weird shit. And that's the good stuff. Yeah, that's the most fun times. When people are experimenting and testing and going, ah, that kind of doesn't work against this thing. So how do we deal with that thing that they're doing? And it really benefits those who are willing to go out and do something that is probably going to backfire horribly. Yes. Like all these cool doctrines and all these cool things all started with some person going out there and failing miserably, which I have.

01:37:04 just a ton of fun with. That's why I love the Alliance Tournament, because that is like a very distilled version of theorycrafting and stuff like that. But it's a really good question that opened this, which is like, what is your least favorite ship to fly right now? And I actually can't really think of anything, but then again, my return to you is shorter in many ways, but that's also kind of just because I...

01:37:30 I think a lot of it is flavored by the space that you're into. And people who are in LOSEC obviously will see things that are, that I would just, you know, as a wormhole, by the way, that I would just never see ever in wormhole space. Just, you know, I mean, they talk about algoses and complain about algoses and these algos fleets. And I'm like, I have not seen an algos since the year of our Lord 1775. You know what I mean? Like, I have not glimpsed an algos in all my many years traveling through these fair waters.

01:37:59 So, you know, these things are... And that is the, you know, not to ramble too much here, but that is the... No, you never do. That's always the tricky thing. That's the delight of doing this, right? Where you... It's not just one game. Eve is like 30 games in a trench coat trying to get into the fucking movies. And it is... You have to account for all those games simultaneously. It's very hard.

01:38:26 Ich bin ziemlich sicher, die meta hat sich verändert, seit Jürgen zu starten. Ja, ja, ja. Ja, ja, ja. Ja, ja, ja. Ja, ja, ja. Wir sind alle Schenotafs wieder. Wir sind alle Schenotafs wieder. Wir sind alle Schenotafs wieder. Wir sind alle Schenotafs wieder. Wir sind alle Schenotafs wieder. Wir sind alle Schenotafs wieder. Wir sind alle Schenotafs wieder. Wir sind alle Schenotafs wieder. Wir sind alle Schenotafs wieder.

01:38:48 You made us fly the Immacus Navy the other day. Yeah. So, well, are we now going to main it? We actually had a bit of fun. Yeah, we did. The change to it wasn't anything combat-wise. It was more the capacitor on it. It had a very small capacitor. Interesting. Just level in total. Yeah, I don't think I saw this one. What it reminded me is, cap recharge, when you put on, like, cap recharge modules, do they get a percentage off your cap or do they do a amount? The percentage, I believe.

01:39:17 So cap recharge grows just by growing the capacitor. Yes, but they lowered the recharge, or increased the recharge time as well. Yeah, but at the same time, if you would... So it takes 250 seconds for it to recharge the full 500, instead of the 180 seconds it took to go to 325. But that would mean the one cap recharge module would give it a significantly more now than before, right? No, it's the same amount. It's because it's, well...

01:39:46 You have just a greater pool to pull from. What? What are you smiling at? That's why I'm literally asking because I just don't remember. Does the cap recharger give you a bonus based on percentage or like a figure? I think it's a percentage. So cap recharger must go up then with one module. It's going to be more cap stable to do all kinds of different...

01:40:10 Du kommst in ChatGPT again? Hey Kestrel? Bonte's bullying me. Can you get in here, please? Oh, you're at home. That question was not even directed at you. Who's not here talking in the background? Is that ChatGPT? Alright, I see how it is. Alright. Weird phone call. There's no way on the phone. It was all made up. I don't know why I thought that was gonna be funny. That's fucking weird. I'm glad you... We've been here for too long. I'm glad you made sure to tell everyone that wasn't a real phone call, by the way. They really believed it.

01:40:39 Es war super believable. Wir sind in dieser Raum für so lange. Es ist wie ein Carbon Dioxide in dieser Raum. Ich fühle mich. Du warst war für zu lange. Ich warst war für zu lange. Ich warst war für zu lange. Das war ein Insane. Ich weiß, wir haben bereits über das in den Beginn. Das war ein Insane Raum, bei der da. Ja. Die E.S.S. Test Room. Ja, die E.S.S. Test Room. Ja, die E.S.S. Test Room. Ja, die E.S.S. Test Room. Ja, die E.S.S. Test Room. Ja, die E.S.S. Test Room. Ja, die E.S.S. Test Room ist voll voll voll voll voll voll voll voll voll voll voll voll voll voll voll voll voll voll voll voll voll voll voll voll voll voll voll voll voll voll voll voll voll voll voll voll voll voll voll voll voll voll voll voll voll voll voll voll voll voll voll voll voll voll

01:41:06 Was that with Okami? Just like, we need to drink. Water, water. Stay hydrated, stay hydrated. 100%. 100%, thank you. All right, carry on. But these frigates are going to have more cap to play with in general now. They're going to have more cap. So harder to nude out, harder to... They're just going to be more, you know, easy to fly with a bigger cap pool. Yeah. I think it's a decent extra balance. These are higher than most other frigates, aren't they?

01:41:36 I am not... I feel like 400... I think this is pulling it up to, like, combat frigate levels. Yeah, I was gonna say. I love how all of you are trying to, like, give an explanation for Explode stuff. You know, they... Only the wormhole here should be able to tell us exactly how this works. Oh, I don't scan. He wouldn't fly tech. I have people for scanning. I have people, and they fly tankers. Now, here's an interesting one. Skybreaker, Stormbringer, extra high slot added. Yeah.

01:42:05 Will we ever see these ships in PvP? We do. Not much. Did you not see Panda's video from the other day? That video was sick. Okay. Yeah, it was Skybreakers, Stormbringers, Thunderbabies, whatever the fuck you know. Can you pull it up? If I just drop off here for a sec? I can. It's a sick video. First of all, shout out to Panda, realist in the game. Maybe not realist. He's probably top.

01:42:31 10 or so of realist top 10 real top 10 real yes top 10 real uh but it's a sick video it's a it's a zappy boy fleet um with uh i believe it's loki's as well or maybe it's tengu's it had loki's in it it had uh hold on are we about to tell you to watch like a half an hour no no no we just gotta watch it's it's like a cinematic video was it in the community beat yeah uh yeah i think so was it i love the community beat yeah it was just like being able to highlight uh all these

01:43:00 Kick-Ass Creators, you know you make a lot of fun shit and they do put in a ton of effort into it as well Like the production quality of all these videos is insanely high. Yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah We are inspired by the community, but we do have a vault Speaking of the community beat, we just quickly go through that. Hell yeah. Cool art. Yeah, this is sick as hell If I'm not mistaken

01:43:26 We had it in here, it was a trillion five old man's star. I love these. I was there for that. So it had 12 Stormbringers, 18 Lokis, 10 Eagles. Oh, wait. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Was this like just a few days ago? Yeah, it was pretty good. No, he did it again. I was actually playing a Xeno in that fleet. It was fun. Were you in that? Yeah, because my Paladin was just really quickly ducked when that fleet came through. He's been doing it a few times. But this type of comp...

01:43:55 We started seeing this with... Just throw it up. Actually, let me do this while the commercials will play, but... There won't be any commercials, dude. There we go. There's no commercials. Let's look at it.

01:44:06 So there's not going to be any sound that I've got here, but we'll talk over it anyway. We don't want sound. Maybe so pretty. But this type of a comp, so if we go back here for just a second, it has enough like... Can we then see your YouTube search history? There you go. This is all your videos. This is your computer. Oh no! Having some AoE damage like this in a fleet and single target damage with like low keys and eagles.

01:44:31 Es tut so much stress auf Lockheed. Es tut so much Stress auf Lockheed. Es tut so much Stress auf Lockheed. Es tut so much Stress auf Lockheed. Es tut so much Stress auf Lockheed. Es tut so much Stress auf Lockheed. Es tut so much Stress auf Lockheed. Es tut so much Stress auf Lockheed. Es tut so much Stress auf Lockheed. Es tut so much Stress auf Lockheed. Es tut so much Stress auf Lockheed. Es tut so much Stress auf Lockheed.

Charity-Aktion: Björn Bee Hotel

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01:44:59 So, have we done like a charity Björn Bee Bee Hive somewhere? A charity? Yeah, like there's loads of bee charities around that. They don't have bees here. No, we don't need to do it here, but like imagine a Björn Bee shaped, like bee hotel. Shaped after me. Shaped after him. Yeah, of course. So you're going to shape a building after me? No, no, no, it's not a building. You like make this insect hotel where bees can kill sex. Like a vignada. No, no, no, no, no. Yeah, bees. Bees. Bees.

01:45:28 Das ist sehr, sehr wichtig. Du willst ein Wicker Man Björn Bee, das du kannst vollen Bees für Charity?

01:45:51 Bees are vital to the ecosystem. Not vital to this ecosystem, there are no bees here. Formula Formula One world champion Sebastian Vettel has been doing this all over the freaking world since he stopped. He's making wicker baskets of meat. We need to pitch that.

01:46:07 Okay. And let's see, like, maybe there might be some copyright issues on you. I don't know what your parents will say. I don't think they have a say. So fun, completely weird fact about this. There's actually a bunch of bee hive, like...

01:46:22 b people in iceland there's like 110 different can we stop talking about some sort of people please great no like what do you call them people people the b people right how do you think just how do you think i met you i went to those people and said take me to your leader you plucked me out of the ground actually like b b associates in iceland can you talk into your mic once are there not like that are there b people there are b people and they are

01:46:51 Ja, wir sind das. Ich denke, wir sind.

01:47:13 The bulls scan me. I'm very concerned about the idea of a bee hotel. I'm sure those are just called hives, right? No, no, no. Can you Google insect hotel or something like that? I'm not Googling insect hotel. So you know what we're talking about. I'm worried about someone just having seems to be bees' measurements. Why? 3D scan, dude. 3D scan. They'll put them in one of those big scanners you have to turn around. They spin them around with the lasers on the side. You don't want to know what people will do with that. I don't care.

01:47:40 ChatGPT weiß. Das ist fair. Ich bin überzeugt. Okay, Paneralica hat. Okay, wenn ich euch, was ein Insect Hotel, was das kind of stuff... Ich glaube, ich glaube. Ich glaube, ich glaube. So, es ist einfach nur... Ja. So, es ist einfach nur... Du machen ein Ding, das macht es einfacher für sie zu machen. Ja, das ist ein fucking Beehive. Das ist ein Haus. No, weil die Beehive ist inside. So, es ist ein Frame für ein Beehive. Es ist ein Box.

01:48:09 Es ist ein Box. Es ist ein Box. Es ist ein Box. Es ist ein B-Shaped Box. Aber wir bleiben es irgendwo in der Natur, wo es gut für die Bees ist. Hey Monty, real quick, wo in Iceland ist es safe für Bees? Der Welt ist ein bisschen größer als Iceland. Aber wir sind hier. Okay. Es ist wahrscheinlich ein Volcano. Du sagst du liebe Tinkering?

Stormbringer, Outpost Construction Skill und Factional Warfare

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01:48:30 I trust that you will take work with your bee at home. Make me into a bee hotel. Fill me with bees. I need you to fill me with bees. How the hell did we segue into this? I'm literally trying to remember. Go back to my screen. So we were talking about Pando, right? Of course, we were talking about Pando. Stormbringers, listen. There was another video here from a few years ago from Amelia.

01:48:59 Yes. The Tidebringer. This, if you haven't seen this video, you have to go check out this video. I remember you sending me this video when I was on the CSM. Yeah. They convinced me that the Stormbringers are actually not shit because I thought they were shit. Yes. And you were like, no, they're not. Watch this video. I did. I was like, okay, I'm pretty good. What I'm trying to say is when you mix Stormbringers or these AoE-type ships with single-target damage ships in a fleet, you just get success. Oh, yeah. It's kind of like the Scenotype we were talking about earlier. You're not going to see a fleet of them. Yeah. But like mixing them in.

01:49:28 kann auch sehr gefährlich sein. Die Lokis, die er hat er gebracht, sind die Arties oder die AC Lokis? Ich denke, sie sind die Heavy Missile. Oh, sie sind die Heavy Missile. Ich denke so. Okay, das macht mehr Sinn. Cool. Ja. Was das? Ich Hiccup. Okay, sorry. Du Hiccup. Ich dachte, er hat sich zu schreckt mich. How dare you? All right, let's go back to Patch Notes. Sorry. I'm gonna go here first. I've already done it, dude. Bam! We're too fast. You're killing the emotion that we are just...

01:49:57 Wir sehen uns auf ein Laptop. Sie sehen uns auf ein Laptop. Sie sehen uns auf ein Laptop. Sie sehen uns auf ein Laptop. Sie sehen uns auf ein Laptop. Sie sehen uns auf ein Laptop. Es gibt ein Laptop. Sie sehen uns auf ein Laptop.

01:50:17 Um, can they fit? How much extra fittings do they have? They didn't get any extra fitting with it. Okay. So this is, it's not like you're going to get an extra newt on it or anything like that. I heard people complain about that. Like, well, extra slot, but no fitting. Sacrifice a rig. Yeah, you can sacrifice a rig and put an ACR on. Like you have to do with so many other ships. The one cool thing about this is that it's going to, like, we generally think about things, at least on this podcast, in PvP-like lenses. This is a lot of PvE stuff that you can do with it. You can put a probe scanner on it.

01:50:46 People like using these ships to run through like just DD sites. Yeah. And before you'd have to go out, scan it, go back to where you live, take your ship out if you wanted to use it. And then do it all in one. Yeah. And then it kind of sucked. So now you can do it all in one. It is dangerous. You can accidentally like hit a suspect and suspect flag yourself.

01:51:08 Be careful with your chain lightning. Yeah. Yeah. But I know it seems to be Mirage somewhere. He's stoked. Feeling happy about it. I walked by his desk earlier. He's just like floating. He wasn't there. Well, the thing is, he's there, but he's just like levitating a couple feet in the air. Just like.

01:51:23 Just like that. Just like that. He's gonna watch this. Um, one of you is gonna have to tell me about this outpost construction skill. I got nothing, dude. So, I can tell you, because it's like, when making the outpost construction skill worth training to the higher levels, because currently there is no item in the game that requires it to be higher than level 3 to build, and the vast majority of items only require it at level 1. That's a phenomenal answer. Thank you.

01:51:50 Was ist der Outpost? Es ist halt wie Jury Rigging. Jury Rigging ist ein Skill, wie trainiert es nach einem bestimmten Level. Das macht keinen Sinn. Ich sollte nicht nach 5 haben. Ja. Du sollst nicht nach 5 haben. Du sollst nicht nach 5 haben. Du sollst nicht nach 5 haben. Du sollst nicht nach 5 haben. Du sollst nicht nach 5 haben. Du sollst nicht nach 5 haben. Du sollst nicht nach 5 haben. Du sollst nicht nach 5 haben. Du sollst nicht nach 5 haben. Du sollst nicht nach 5 haben. Du sollst nicht nach 5 haben.

01:52:17 Ja, basically nothing that it does. Okay, all right. All right, listen, okay. I was looking at you for help, I was looking for something. Sorry. He's impassive the whole time. Please go on. Factional warfare. So we upped the security state, no, the standings you need from minus two to zero.

01:52:43 So that it's going to be harder for Korps to balance having AWOXers in their group and just adding new characters in to balance out the total kind of standings they have with the alliance. Sure. Or the faction, I should say. This is not going to fix AWOXing. You can still do it. It's going to be a little harder than minus two is super easy to get to. Important to note that this doesn't, like the diplomacy skill and any other skills you have doesn't matter for this. Yes.

01:53:10 So you can't just cheese your way up through skills. It takes your raw, unadjusted standing. I think what's important here that we clarify, too, just to be very, very, very clear about it, for people watching who look at this and they're like, ah, it seems to be just another fucking half-ass fix. Like, it's not a... We're acknowledging, it's not a fix. It's bringing it up to the same level as Galente faction. Correct.

01:53:36 They were all at zero, but the pirate ones, you could be minus two. Correct. So it was easier to be an AWOXer as an Angel or Garista Cardinal. Right. So we are looking at it, I think they're looking at it on a much larger scale than this, but knowing that in the interim, while we're still developing whatever that fix is going to be, do this, go ahead and, like I said, bring parity to the different systems and see what happens there. And there were insurgency balances, mining ambusat balances.

Charakteranpassung, Capsulear Safety und FOB-Änderungen

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01:54:04 This is a pretty big one. It is now possible to swap between male and female body models. Yeah, dude. This is the first time that you can swap the gender of your character in game. Yeah. And, uh, alongside, uh, and basically everybody should now just hop on into the, uh, New Eden store, the Nest store. Yeah, you can claim it. And, uh, even if you're on an Alpha account. Yeah, you can claim it. You get 15,000 skill points and the character resculpt token. Yeah, I, uh, I'm glad we got this one in.

01:54:32 I agree. I know going back even as far, I mean, back to, you know, I know CSM have been talking about it for a couple of years now. Arcia Elkin was pushing for this one pretty hard back on our CSM we had together. I know Kashal, Jinx, both have brought it up a couple different times. Just for the people who it matters, it matters a lot. Yeah.

01:54:55 And it makes sense to have, just for a character resculpt feature, to be able to completely change your character. We're also just talking about 20 plus years off, maybe an account. Things changed in that time, so. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Transwrites, baby. And then we got Capsulear Safety in HiSec. So, this is actually...

01:55:17 This is a super healthy change. These Lancers, we teach new players, hey, shoot these red triangles in space, and then they go to a gate and they shoot a red triangle, but not that one. Not that one. That one fucks you up, right? Oh, and by the way, it will follow you throughout the day as well. So we're moving Lancers and we're moving Diamond Rats out of HiSack so that new players aren't just running into these and having an unfair...

01:55:45 mit Rats und Gate Rats und NPCs. Das ist gut. Wir waren eigentlich, als CCP, gut an ganking our new players mit diesem Feature. Wir waren viel besser als Coder Safety. Ich weiß nicht, wie viele wir haben. Es ist ein shockingly large number. Oh, das ist nicht gut. Das ist nicht gut. Das ist nicht gut. Ich frage mich also. So, was do you do, wenn du starten spielen? Du kommst gegen etwas, und du kannst es nicht quite killen.

01:56:12 Das war's strong. So you go and you power yourself up, get a bigger ship, get a better ship, and you go, oh, I see that's that bastard again. I can get him now. No, you can't. Smoked and rolled. Smoked and rolled, yes. Can you kill that drifter, by the way? The one that spawns when you shoot the other? It's a drifter, right? I think they're drifters. I just know that you don't shoot the latchers. Perhaps anybody killed them.

01:56:37 Ich habe nicht, ich würde nicht, weil ich habe besser Dinge zu machen. Sie sind Spooky. Sie sind Spooky. Sie sind Spooky. Sie sind Spooky. Sie sind Spooky. Sie sind Spooky. Sie sind Spooky. Sie sind Spooky. Sie sind Spooky. Sie sind Spooky. Sie sind Spooky. Sie sind Spooky.

01:57:05 So you'll still be able to see them in the game. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But this is a healthy change. Tyrannos is really strong as well. You must know him well. The FOB change is important too, actually. Yes. Back up just a little bit. Because we're taking them out of... Highsec. Yeah, taking them out of highsec, putting them in lowsec, making them spawn more. Yeah. A lot of people who are very, very excited about this change, which I was glad to see. Can you do me a favor, Swift? Because you have... I know that you have like...

01:57:34 A corporate voice. If you try. So, from a corporate infomercial standpoint, can you read that sentence that starts with, we've been looking. We've been looking into the subject of capsular safety and highsec. And as part of our investigation, we've noticed that new players do lose ships to Autothysian Lancers and Diamond Rats from the FOBs. Nice. Yeah. Solid.

01:58:03 I can read, dudes! Let's go! I still got it! I've never been more proud of you, Dad! One of my favorite things is the meme that developed, or Tall Tale, I don't know what it is, where they say that if you have a corpse in your cargo bay, and these things scan you, they'll kill you.

01:58:23 They do not. I don't know who made that up. I've always thought that was true. That has persisted forever. Crazy. I looked it up in the wiki. It has never been true. That's nuts. They've never done it. You looked at it in the wiki. Yeah. But have you gone and tried it? Yeah, yeah. I tried it all the time. I remember trying to eject Corp. Do you know how many times I have not picked up? Be my friend. Yeah. I don't know who made this up.

01:58:52 Aber wer, wer, wer, wer, wer, wer, wer, wer, wer, wer, wer, wer, wer, wer, wer, wer, wer, wer, wer, wer, wer, wer, wer, wer.

01:59:21 He blocked out the memory. He just created some weird Professor X mental barrier in there. I do like the idea you just had there, Mr. B, where... You know how in Minecraft, if you find a wolf and you feed it some chicken or bullshit? Yeah. And it gets a little collar and starts flying around and it becomes a dog. And you have a dog friend.

01:59:41 Das ist was ich mit Lanzersen. All die Lanzersen. Die Lanzersen, die sie einen Korpsen geben, und dann die kleine Herz-Emosen kommen, und dann die sie einfach fallen. Ich glaube, es war das für die Blood Raiders in Crimson Harvest. Hier, ich in, und da sind 15 Kandidaten hinter mir. Ich denke, dass, wenn du in den Crimson Harvest bist, wenn du jemanden einfach nur schrägst, die Blood Raiders sollten einfach nur sagen, okay, das ist ein bisschen cool.

02:00:06 Ja, das ist ja, das ist ja, das ist ja, das ist

Blue Loot, Freelance Jobs und Metanoxes

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02:00:35 huge stacks of blue loot shout out to my blue loot enjoyers uh the real uh bourgeois of of new eden red loot too ah um uh blue loot enjoyers you might have to break up their stacks or go to multiple different places because the the each station would only have a certain amount it was pretty it was honestly a pretty low amount that you could buy from from their buy orders they have just massively increased those buy orders so unless you have a truly staggering amount of blue loot which by the way

02:01:03 Don't carry that much blue loot around. That's a silly thing to do. Smaller blue loot more frequently. You just get more money. I know people who are sitting on mountains of blue loot and they're like, ah, that's a good investment. I'm like, it doesn't change. The price doesn't change. In fact, never mind. It's a long story. But all this to say, it's a nice change. It's a very nice change. Yeah, you just have to hit right-click, sell fewer times. Yes, yes. And for all of us who are getting a little bit older, the carpal tunnel is starting to set in.

02:01:29 Es ist schön, dass man die Qualität des Lebens verändert hat. Ja, das ist die Trackball. Ist das was es? Ich dachte, dass du das Gefühl hast. Die Ball. Ja. Die Trackball. Do you use the Trackball most? I do it at home. Oh, do you really? I love it. That's the kind of stuff you just do at home and don't tell people about. Yeah, yeah. No, no, he tells us. I get judged a lot when I bring it up. Yeah. So this is, yeah, pretty simple. Very nice. You play other games with the Trackball? Yeah. No.

02:01:58 I play every game with a trackball. Don't tell me this. CCP Swift's Vanguard Special on the trackball. What a gamer. Are you not kidding? Are you gonna stream?

02:02:12 vanguard during operation nemesis if i could bring in my own track you can yeah it would be very funny if he just like swing all the trackball no we should not we well actually we should because then we have an excuse for being this bad here's the trackball that goes over the thumb not the one it's in like in the middle no no no i understand is there one in the middle yeah yeah that's one of the track can you imagine the trackball fandom goes deep can you imagine ccp swift's you know finer movements i

02:02:41 I'm not going to say anything more, but I... This has changed my outlook of you. Respected. Thank you. Moving on from here, we have new contribution methods for freelance jobs. Strike up, slayer, remote boost, shield, remote armor, repair. Interesting that we have jobs for Logi. Yeah, and freelance, which...

02:03:07 I find it interesting. Let me think that we're tracking that now. Very curious. I think it's cool. We had it in Corporate Jets. We had it for a while. Yep. And then we have adjustments to Potchman. Yeah, this is what we were talking about at the very beginning. Went through some of these things before. Shout out to Drake. I'll be mad if I don't say his name. I'm going to swap off you while you're scrolling. While I'm looking for the next thing.

02:03:31 Und nicht jeder ist. Und dann werden wir uns hier sehen, wie wir uns hier sehen, wie wir uns wiederholt haben. Wir gehen nach den Bees und die Bees. Ja. Wir sollten das. Wir sollten das definitiv machen. Ich bin so... Ich bin so... Ich habe... Wir machen es als ein Grupp. Sie wissen, eine der coolsten Dinge ist, wenn du auf die Independence Day in Eisend und so wie das, in Downtown, du machst das so alt. Wir haben die Sailor's Day und so wie das.

02:03:59 Where they just have like a pattern of loads of shit and then stuff that, you know, has probably been banned in many countries because people could get hurt. We're talking about things like a hammer and a nail and stuff like that. And people would just, and the kids would just start building boats and stuff. We should just do a, you know, next fan fest, I'll just pour loads of lumber and stuff and, you know, and then we'll have bees standing there. We sit the kids down, but listen, we need you to emulate this man in a wooden form. The kids being...

02:04:27 Fonfest. Yes, of course. The children of the... What if they make a... Well, what if we ask them to make a Leviathan? It kind of looks like weird driftwood anyways. I like that a lot better than the horrible bee mannequin full of bees. And we can give them rusty nails. Why do you hate the planet and everybody on it? I don't like the idea of a man full of bees. It's going to haunt my nightmares. That might be my sleep paralysis demon.

02:04:53 I'm going to wake up and I'm going to look across the room and it's going to be his fucking face looking back at me. He's just like, hello there, Yoten. How are you? It's just bees. Fuck me, dude. This is not good. Just bees. Listen, it is 520 in God's afternoon. I am...

02:05:11 I'm at the point now where I need to be taking my post-work nap, and I'm not gonna be doing anything else other than fucking sleeping. Do you know how long ago you would have gotten your post-work nap if you weren't segwayed out of what we're talking about? I can't help it. This is gonna be a long dream, too, by the way. Carry on, Mr. D, I'm sorry to derail you. Yeah, I just wanted to hear more about the bees. Metanoxus, this is a contentious one. We increased the daily consumption, but we also lowered the Mac-

02:05:41 Oh shit, I just realized we haven't even touched on Jürgen's stuff with the wormholes. We just said a little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's up next, dude. Hey, you want to see something really funny? Do you see over there on the right-hand side of the screen up there where the scroll bar is? Yep. This is not the whole thing. Don't worry, don't worry, don't worry. It goes to about like yay here. We're getting close. Almost, almost. Okay, carry on. But yeah, so this is an interesting change.

02:06:09 Was, was the, I mean, I understand they're just like, they're trying to nudge Metanoxes in the right direction, but is there like, I didn't realize there was a, an imbalance there. I can't really speak closely to this. I know we have people looking into Metanoxes, how much they're, they're making, how much it should cost to run them. I am very glad that increasing.

02:06:32 Was nicht ein extra. So by lowering the volume. Making more trips for people. Yeah. And this is something that players actually gave us really good feedback on. Because originally when we did some balanced stuff. This is the thing that popped up really first. It's like okay cool. You're making the Metanoxes more balanced. Bet. But now it takes me two trips. To fuel my stuff instead of one. And that's not what we wanted to do. We just wanted to make sure that.

02:07:00 whoever is looking at all the numbers for the magmatic gas and stuff that gets how are we at the point where we're not talking about bees metanox everything like that but somehow we managed to skip over stuff like the maelstrom and the apocalypse and the changes we talked about it

02:07:19 Wir haben nicht wirklich über die Apoch gesprochen. Die Apoch war in anderen Sachen, aber wir haben nicht über die Apoch gesprochen. Aber wir haben nicht über die Apoch gesprochen, aber wir haben nicht über die Apoch gesprochen. Wir können vielleicht über die Apoch sprechen und über die Apoch sprechen. Aber das war heute, also ich bin nicht sicher. Der Maelstrom, der Maelstrom war ein bisschen... Ich weiß, dass da ein bisschen kontentiert ist. Oh no! Run, run, run! Wir haben so lange gesprochen. Wir haben so lange gesprochen. Die TV ist schrecklich. Ich weiß nicht, ob ich bin. Ich weiß nicht, ob ich bin. Ich weiß nicht, ob ich bin.

02:07:44 From the waist down, there's just nothing there. It's just all turned to sludge. Nice. Appreciate it. So again, MetaLux, I'm not an economist. I have no idea what the balance on this is. I bet Darkshines has strong opinions about this. He does. It is what it is.

Sovereignty, Wormholes und Drifter Holes

02:08:11

02:08:11 Sovereignty, it is now possible to configure skyhooks while they're in this activating window. Okay, cool. And you can do it through your page. You don't have to be in the system to do it. This means that if someone has the roles to do it, they don't have to physically be there in the system. Yeah, you can do it remotely. Exactly. Which is, you know, a pretty good thing. I like this setup, guys, where we're just like watching the... Do you know what I really want to do sometimes? What's that?

02:08:36 Wenn wir wissen, dass es eine große B-feil ist... Ich dachte, du sagst über die B's wieder. Wenn wir wissen, dass es eine große B-feil ist, wir können 500 B's... In der office sein. Ja, okay. Das ist ein bisschen zu spüren. Und dann sehen wir es. Und dann sehen wir es. Und dann sehen wir es. Und dann sehen wir es. Und dann sehen wir es. Und dann sehen wir es. Und dann sehen wir es. Und dann sehen wir es.

02:09:04 und einfach einfach einfach einfach einfach einfach einfach einfach einfach einfach

02:09:25 Hier, listen, I want to tell you, I respect where your heart's at with this one. I really do. You know how fucking boring a lot of fights are? Yes. It's cool when you're in it because you're like, we were with the boys on comms. You're singing sea shanties. You do the whole thing. No worry that you would not tell us stories the whole time that would be entertaining. And on the topic of bees, you said pizza. There's a lot of people putting honey on pizza now.

02:09:48 We could test out different types of honey. Imagine if we could get our own Björn Bee, Bee Hotel, fresh organic bee honey on the pizza. There is no god, it's just darkness guys. Do you have a bee phobia? Gamers, it's just darkness. I thought it was just against Björn. I have nothing in my heart but darkness. Speaking of darkness, wormholes. Yeah, we got some new wormholes. Talk to us about this. Yeah, so these are, uh, so...

02:10:17 Some interesting things. C4s are kind of an odd case because so for the longest time C4s taking it back a little bit. So there are six different classes of wormholes. Generally six different classes of wormholes. C1s through C6s. And each one of them is a little bit different than each other. Some of them have like C1s are generally the most approachable. You can really only enter them with medium ships or below. You can't jump battleships into them for example. Whereas with C5s and C6s you can jump capital class ships into them.

02:10:46 um and they have more connection so it's it's they all have the little nuances c4s have always been kind of interesting because c4s have okay so back a little bit further one more time every wormhole has a static connection to somewhere else at least one set of connection and the static connection just means that it will always have at least one kind of connection to another kind of wormhole so that would kind of be like the main entrance into the b hotel

02:11:14 Come on, Ben. Come on, Ben. It's okay. It's okay, Ben. It's only a couple more minutes. You can do it. I believe you can do it. Okay. So, C4s, on all of the wormholes, all of the wormholes are capable of having connections to K-Space, normal New Eden. That's where we live. That's where you all live, the normies, right? Can you explain K-Space? Because, like, when people talk about this, you know, known space or all that stuff, just we throw...

02:11:42 A lot of terms here that I'm not sure everybody understands. Everybody knows what a B-Hotel is. I mean, you know how... Oh man, I'm about to make a soccer joke. I really shouldn't. I have a lot of Europeans watching this show. Wait, what is soccer? Nope, not gonna do that. Okay, so...

02:11:56 It's just, you know, Known Space is the map to Known Space. Known Space. And then you have W Space, which is wormhole space. And that's where all the worm people live. The wormfellas. Sometimes called J Space. We're trying to get away from that. Okay. Oh, I don't know. It's a...

02:12:13 Because there's one person in Laserhawks who will bully me if I keep calling it J-Space. Shout out to Artanis. Will absolutely bully me and praise Bob if I call it J-Space. So I'm trying to get away from it so I don't get bullied as much. Will he bully you if we call it J-Space? The last time he bullied me, I lost the war. So, you know, we're trying to be very careful with this one. Boys. I think I just got up and walked away. Notice how he moved the camera so people couldn't see him walk off? I didn't know what he was doing anyway.

02:12:41 uh so c4s have always been kind of interesting because while all other wormhole types have a chance to spawn a connection to known space uh c4s uh would the only way they could get them was through freak holes for the longest time okay so now these are normal battleship size connections that can roll into c4s in fact for the longest time people talked about c4s as being like the deepest part of wormhole space because you always had to jump at least one jump and then another one to get to

02:13:09 Ja, das ist ja, das ist ja, das ist ja, das ist ja, das ist ja, das ist ja, das ist ja, das ist ja, das ist ja, das ist ja, das ist ja, das ist ja, das ist ja, das ist ja,

02:13:34 Das ist warum ich nicht ein Wurmholt.

02:13:59 Now I get what he's talking about when he talks. Can we go back? I don't remember what the patch notes look like. I got to see him again. Wait, the wormhole expert of nerds does not know. I got people for this. This is, listen. I don't scan. I don't even know what happens with wormholes. No, I just log in and dock when Cyrus tells me to go fight. Okay, so yeah. So we've added, like I said, added some wormholes, which is pretty cool. We've changed some things. We've changed how...

02:14:28 oder wie easy es ist, dass es ein Wormholes ist, das ist wirklich, wirklich toll. Das heißt, dass es einfach nur mehr Wormholers in deinem Backyards gibt. Ja, aber das ist nicht ein Problem. Ich meine, ich denke, dass viele Menschen in... Ich meine, es gibt immer eine Gruppe in Wormhole Spaces, die sagen, oh, Wormhole Spaces ist für Wormholers.

02:14:47 Um, I get it, but like wormhole space, uh, people who come into wormhole space and bring their shiny toys into the wormhole space. They create content. Free content. Maybe that's just money. You know what I mean? Like, that's just like, there are groups who I have strong feelings about who their only play style is just camping high set connects because they know that some, some poor rando is going to run in there, then get absolutely smoked by whichever, you know.

02:15:11 Valued member of Wormhole Space is sitting there on the connection. I guess the whole playstyle. So I have no issue with this. I mean, I know, like I said, some people have issues with it, but like... It's like having the Abzon Gate, right? Exactly. Same concept. Same kind of idea. But it's harder, is the thing, because there are more connections. So there's not that one tunnel. Anyway, all this to say, this is cool. And the... Like I said, the notes here are pretty straightforward. It's just more connections. More connections.

02:15:40 ...better connections, uh, some more frequent connections, um, is... And new wormholes, too. And new wormholes, a couple new wormholes, which is nice. Does that mean Katia Say has to visit four new, or a few new systems? I... Ooh, that's a really good question. Will I have to take the statue down? I don't think so. Did you go through all the wormholes? Yeah. Seriously, every single wormhole. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, man. That's way more impressive than I thought it was. And...

02:16:04 Deathless the entire time, yeah. Deathless. That's pretty impressive. Is he the? Maybe Katia Se is the Deathless. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I mean, from what I hear, as I learn more and more about what's happening in Yves Vanguard, the Deathless are cooking something.

02:16:24 They are cooking, that is true. And it's convenient that just as this journey has finished, that something starts cooking. Here, you know, to kind of bring the whole thing back around, can you scroll down just a little bit more here, Mr. B? I want to see where the... Is this still wormholes? Yeah, this is also wormhole stuff. This is also wormhole stuff, but this is the different thing. But you can go back up just a touch. There we go. So...

02:16:51 To bring it back around to kind of what we kicked off with when we first started talking in the show several hours ago, you know, one of the things people will complain about is how this does kind of lose a little bit of that mysticism, but it's even, we mentioned it in the patches, and this is still true, I think. There's a lot of learned knowledge that comes with any part of the game, right? There's a lot of...

02:17:11 Every part of the game. There's just a lot of shit to learn. There's a lot of shit to learn. And there's a lot of shit that you don't really know until you either learn it from the people around you or you just have that kind of learned experience. So wormhole space is no different. Just because we've changed up some text on the show info window doesn't mean people are just like, do you know all the intricacies about how to move between systems? Do you know how polarization works? And it is scary. Because when I, having been a player for a long time and then left and then coming back,

02:17:40 Ja, ich habe eine Frage hier in den Patsnoten, da war etwas über...

02:18:09 ...de connection of a drifter hole being messaged. Oh, yeah, so if you... They added the... Basically added a message that says, like, this is a drifter hole. As opposed to... It's for C13s, I think. Previously, there wasn't really a connection. You just kind of had to guess. You could know. You could find out if that's what it was. So a drifter hole inside a wormhole? Well, I mean, yeah, no.

02:18:34 Ja, weil du kann ein Drifter Wormhole von einer Wormhole sein können. Du kannst das, dass sie existieren. Jetzt, wenn du, wenn du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du, du,

02:19:02 Put down the rod. Fissures rise down. But it was, if I understand right, people were just kind of annoyed when they had to scan down a hole. Oh, yeah. Don't get me wrong. This was a thing people really were kind of frustrated about. I just like fishing.

02:19:14 Es ist nur du und ein Pack of Bud Light. Wir sind auf die Defect Fixes, die wir nicht mehr werden. Phänomenal, Team. Wow, hey, gut job, Team. Das war Rekord Time, guys. Rekord Time. Over zwei Hours? Ja, well over zwei Hours. Und wir haben nicht sogar den Main Topik. Das ist true. Release the bees. Can you find the bee Hotel? Wir werden ihn sehen. Ich will, ich will, ich will, ich will. Ich will, ich will, ich will. Ich will, ich will, ich promise you.

Bee Hotels, Operation Nemesis und EVE Vanguard

02:19:43

02:19:43 I will look up a bee hotel. Is it like an ant farm? Just bee hotel. Did you do ant farms? Yeah, yeah, I did the ant farm. So, there you go. There you go. Just open that one or something. I'll have them all, dude. So that's a bee hotel. Monty, this is a fucking beehive. No, that is a bee hotel or an insect hotel where they go in and make their stuff. Do they pay for their estate? To be very clear, so you want to, okay. Wow, I hate how these look. This is fucking tripping out my trypophobia.

02:20:12 Oh, I... Like this one here? Yes, don't click it. Oh, God. Why does it look like a tear? Is it like... It's sad. Okay, it is sad. You have like a B crisis. I'm sad as a result. A B is not like, why do I have a strange connection to these things? Going home? And I just want the viewers at home to remember, what CCB Monty is...

02:20:35 Petitioning is that we create one of those strange little wooden houses in the shape of known spaceman Bjorn B. Yes. And fill it with bees. And I would like to hear from you guys whether you think that's a good idea or not. I would not. If any one of you sends us a message about this, I'm doubling the range of Ansiblex skates. I'll do it right now. Do not send us messages.

02:21:00 Ja, das ist einfach so weit, dass es so weit geht und dann gehts die wall und dann kommt es zurück. Du wirst nicht aus der Delve. Antiblexion Wormholtz. Oh, nein, vielleicht nicht das eine. Hey Björn, was du nicht joked about? Let's not joked about that one. Das ist real scary. Before we go, shout out George Mitchell the goat. This won't mean any of you guys who haven't brought it up at all, but it's a really funny meme that I'm making myself.

02:21:28 Das ist awesome, das ist cool, ich liebe es. Anything else you guys want to talk about? Yes, I want to mention one thing. It's Operation Nemesis next week. Yeah! So I know a lot of details are coming out end of the week. And there's some spicy stuff coming, so no leaks, nothing like that, but I saw people already spotted stuff that was floating around, but like...

02:21:53 So Operation Nemesis in EVE Vanguard is a thing. Massive playtest starting September 16th. Yeah, so the 16th. It runs through October 3rd, I believe. So all you need to hop on is basically an EVE Online account. I have recently been shooting shit in EVE Vanguard. And if for no other reason to join, even though you don't play FPSs or whatever, if you go through the new player journey...

02:22:22 Die Perception von New Eden und ich habe gesagt das schon ein paar Mal schon, aber Agarmer ist fucking huge. Ja, das ist crazy. Ja, und es ist cool zu sehen, wie EVE-Ships aus dem Boden. Ja. Ja. Und das ganze Perspektive. Und es fühlt sich wirklich an einem Planeten aus dem downed EVE-Ships. Oh, ja, ja. Und du bist, du bist, du bist, du bist, du bist, du bist. Oh, ja, ja. Und du bist, du bist, du bist, du bist, du bist, du bist.

02:22:49 Webbyfire towers and shit down it's like there's a lot of cool stuff there yeah and it's I mean it's just a playtest now for what two weeks or so yeah just over two weeks yeah yeah so uh um and and like we do this is a new Eden event so it will be it'll be freaking interesting once we uh

02:23:07 Once we can share all of that. Yeah, it'll be really exciting. And you talked about this earlier. I know people that have played in Vanguard before, you have to have an Omega account. That's not the case. Just any old EVE account will do. Neat. So you just go in on the launcher, click Vanguard, and you'll be able to play. Yeah, and basically also if people around you want to hop in and don't play EVE, they don't need to have an EVE account. Are you telling me they can play for free with the Swift?

02:23:33 Hell yeah, I'll go with my friends. We're going to play the game for free. I mean, you should. It's actually fun to play with friends. I don't need to play for free because I have an account. Also, like, on that topic, you can hop over to the eVanguard YouTube channel or Spotify or whatever, and there's loads of info there on the stuff that's been going on, and I think we're going to start seeing a lot more gameplay now in the next coming days because it's starting to look freaking crisp. Yeah, I mean, it looks pretty fucking cool. I mean, you know.

02:24:03 I like it. It's a fun game. Are you going to use the Antimatter Pistol? I might actually stream that game, be real with you. One, because I'm very bad at those games. Can we do a Live to Feed on Vanguard? Don't we have Live to Feed? Isn't that what that is? Yeah, we've done that before. Live to Feed. Boots on the ground. I always think I have great ideas. Okay, so I'm going to double down on Dern BB Hotel here, because that is my original idea. That's super original.

02:24:29 We all have feet cams is what it is. No, no, no, no, no. That's the end of the stream. Thank you all for tuning in and hanging out. Why do you hate feet? What kind of feet cam? Feet cams. He actually brings up a good point. We don't need to have feet cams. There's a lot going on with these cloppers. We started this pod with a slow motion close-up of your feet. In shoes. That's a good point. In shoes, to be very clear. Maybe how we should just...

02:24:58 Ended. I like that. I'm afraid to hit end because it's so long that it will probably say there's no way this can be saved. Hey, team, thank you so much for joining us here on Nerds Podcast. I'm not supposed to be doing the outro, but I'm going to because I want to go home and take a nap. I've been joined, of course, by CCB Swift, CCBB, and CCB Monty. And until next time, be cool.

02:25:24 Call your mom, and hey, we love you guys. Have a good night. Call your mom. Call your mom. Okay, yeah. We good? When did you call your mom last? Last night.