Alliance Tournament XXI Feeders Day 3 schedule !brackets
EVE Online: Alliance Tournament XXI – Strategien, Meta und Team-Analysen
Die Moderatoren Aliaris, Misty, Dujek und Nova Terra Ren diskutieren Strategien und Meta-Veränderungen im Alliance Tournament. Rush-Comps dominieren mit hoher Gewinnrate. Alternative Kompositionen wie Triple Raven werden analysiert. CCP Jotun wagt Prognosen für kommende Matches und Teamleistungen, wobei Underdogs und neue Strategien im Fokus stehen. Ein Update mit Balance-Änderungen wird erwartet.
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Rückblick auf vergangene Matches und Ausblick auf das Alliance Tournament
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00:02:34 Hello, everyone, and welcome to the Oopsie Dome. I'm your host, Aliaris. I'm here with Misty, Dujek, and Nova Terra Ren to break down last weekend's Feeders Action and get ready for what's coming up this week. Nova, how are you doing? I am fantastic. Thanks for having me. Glad to chat about some AT stuff.
00:02:56 Ja, es wird ein wirklich cooles Wettbewerb. Wir haben bereits gesehen ein paar greats Wettbewerb. Speaking of greats Wettbewerb, Misty, was war dein Wettbewerb? Ich würde wahrscheinlich mit der Nerve und Evasive-Maneuverung-Wettbewerb. Partei, weil ich die Leute auf dem Nerve-Team sind, aber auch weil diese sind zwei Wettbewerb-Wettbewerb-Wettbewerb.
00:03:24 So we got to see basically like a finals-worthy match in the feeders. So yeah, I think that one was probably my favorite.
00:03:32 Nice. I know. Some of the matches were incredibly high quality. We have a bunch of teams. Since we have moved from having the Plex buy-in for some teams just being able to pay their way to the finals, we are seeing everyone have to fight their way in. And that means we get to see some high quality tournament matches before we even get to the main arena. Dujek, which match would you recommend people watch?
00:03:57 I really like the Fraternity vs. MPSI Rocks match. I was feeling that was very back and forth. Anyone could have won that up until the last point.
00:04:09 Ja, da sind einige sehr close ones. Ich persönlich war auf die Odin's Call, die erste Odin's Call vs. Dora's Sweet Punch. Ich bin sicher, dass die Odin's Call-team war, die ganze Zeit. Gut für Sie, ich war in Twitch-Chat bemoaning meine Punkte. Nova, was über Sie? Was war Ihr favorite match?
00:04:30 Um, für mich, ich denke, auf der top of my head, ich würde sagen, Exodus. Ich glaube, sie lost zu Punishing Grey Raven. Das ist definitiv wert, dass sie ein bisschen was. Es hat ein bisschen alles, ich würde sagen. Es hat einen wirklich tollen M.J.D. plays, als auch. Ja, und das war auch eine der größten Erinnerungen, ich fühle mich. Exodus, wir haben sie in den Tournament schon gesehen. Sie haben hier für eine sehr lange Zeit. Und Punishing Grey Raven haben...
00:04:57 Not been a team that we've seen on the AT Main Stage, but they really showed up. They did a good job in both their matches, both the one that they played versus Exodus and the one that they played versus Odin's Call. Any other particular upsets that you'd like to highlight? Misty. I mean, it probably would have been the Exodus match as an upset. I think that besides that,
00:05:25 Die meisten Teams haben eine sehr gute Begründung in der Tournament gezeigt und es ist nicht wirklich fair zu sagen, dass es ein Upset ist, weil jeder Team wirklich eine Chance hat, um in jedem Match zu gehen. Das ist wahrscheinlich die einzige Exodis-Match.
00:05:42 We did see a number of teams. Some teams have already made it to the Alliance Tournament. The way these brackets work, it's sort of like a little mini double elimination tournament inside of each group. Last Sunday, we had our first teams that have made it in. Those being Meta Reloaded, Barcode, Psycho Kids, Deepwater Hooligans.
00:06:10 It worked in testing. Congratulations to them. Nerve, as mentioned. Odin's Call. DeSync. Test Alliance, please ignore. And that, to me, is one of the upsets. We have seen tests show up in the feeders many times. Going 2-0 into the Alliance tournament, definitely a stronger performance than we've seen from them before. We've also seen Paper Numbers. Polaris Mercenary Alliance. Sedition.
00:06:36 And Laserhawks are our last member directly into the Alliance Tournament. Of course, this upcoming weekend, we're going to have some opportunities for some other teams to make it in. We'll see. But we'll also start sending more teams home for the first time, which should be a very... So for those teams that are in, congratulations, you get to take a week off. For those teams that are still playing...
00:07:04 This is the one where there's going to be a bunch of sort of white knuckling and everyone getting up. Dujek, how are Laserhawks feeling in the tournament already? We're feeling good. We get to scrim ahead of the broadcast on Saturday and Sunday as well. So one extra weekend and looking at flagships already. It feels like we're a week ahead already.
00:07:31 Ja, definitivt. Die Flagships, die werden sehr spannend sein, besonders mit den Balance Changes, die sich gegründet haben. Haben die Balance Changes gegründet die Flags gegründet? Wir werden sehen, wenn CCP Kestrel sagt uns, wie unsere Meta ist.
00:07:49 Speaking of the meta, let's spend some time talking about this weekend's Feeders meta, because my absolute favorite thing about Alliance Tournament season is that we get to look at metagames, see what people are bringing, see how it's changed. And with both the switch to three ships of a size, as well as the reversion of Surgical Strike, and the points drops, the lack of the duplicate points, we've got a big change from last year.
00:08:18 So, we have a very nice bar chart of all of the different comp archetypes, if we can take a look at that. So this is what we've seen in the feeders so far. The standout comp was rush, because people still think you can rush your way through feeders, and it had a 50% win rate, so they're mostly right. Also, some pretty big showings from Kingslayer, from Kite, Control.
00:08:45 As well as we had the return of the triple dummy comp from last year's finals, the TFI Kite. And yeah, it was a very good showing. Some of those did better than others. So let's get into that. So first off, let's talk about Rush. Misty.
00:09:12 How do you feel about everyone trying to rush through? You know, it's a classic. Were they right to bring that rush through feeders? I was thinking about it just prior to the stream because, you know, I was trying to struggle through kind of what talking points I might raise. But I was going to say I actually like that there is more consistent damage coming out of comps this year. We've seen rush in previous years quite a few times.
00:09:39 This year we've seen people try the Slepner Rush versus more Ham Rush with Nighthawks of the Claymores. I flicked back through some of the previous comps, like the Day 1 and Day 2 feeder comps, that we've kind of collated in the background, and it seemed like most people tended towards the Ham versions, and they seemed to do fairly okay, as we can see with the bar chart. I think Rush is decent in the feeders format, where it is essentially guaranteed damage.
00:10:08 Es ist nicht so kompliziert zu flyern. Die Hand Variant, besonders wenn du inranging Missiles hittest, musst du nicht aufhören, musst du nicht aufhören, musst du nicht aufhören. Es ist einfach. Es gibt sehr hohe Damage. Und du kannst einfach nur die Dice in eine 3-Battleship-Comp. Und du kannst nur die Dice gewinnen. Und du kannst nur die Dice gewinnen. Und du kannst nur die Dice gewinnen.
00:10:34 Ich denke, es ist eine Sensible choice für viele Teams, die vielleicht neu zu den Tournamenten sind und noch finden ihre Feet, besonders weil viele von ihnen nicht mehr Zeit haben, um die Zeit zu trainieren. Also ist es ein safe, reliable Fullback.
00:10:48 Ja, wir haben definitiv mehr Rutsch-Comp, mehr Rutsch-Comp, mehr Rutsch-Comp dieses Jahr, als wir das letzte Jahr haben. Natürlich haben wir den Cenotaph. Fun fact, in allen Rutsch-Matchen, wo die Cenotaph war unbann, beide Teams haben einen Cenotaph gebracht. Es war unglaublich popular, um in die Rutsch-Comp.
Analyse verschiedener Kompositionen und Strategien im Alliance Tournament
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00:11:13 Of course, people still trying to figure out, what do I do if I can't bring four battlecruisers, four cruisers? Nova, how do you feel about some of the variants that we saw, particularly that triple Raven comp? Yeah, there were actually a couple triple Ravens, as we were calling it at one point there, comps. One of them was even fielding Torps. I'm pretty sure that was UA fleets really early on, which was pretty interesting, sort of pretending to be a normal rush comp there.
00:11:40 But yeah, that was interesting to see. I think a lot of these Shield versions of those were especially interesting. Like those Cruise setups with the Triple Raven, they weren't tinkering, notably. So there were no remote capacity transmitters going off there to pump up some Ancel Shield boosters. It was really just raw application they were focused on for the rest of it. I don't know, it looked pretty reasonable, but I think overall I...
00:12:06 Ich denke, ich war wirklich auf die anderen Triple Battleship comps. Dominik's waren sehr schön. Und andere waren auch in den Finals von letztem Jahr. Ich glaube es war Typhoon Fleet Issues, mit der Crews, als ein Kite Setup. Das war wirklich, wirklich gut. Aber definitiv, Cinetaph hat eine große Elefante in der room.
00:12:26 Ja, so Dujek, how was your team, you actually got to fly a Cenotaph in the arena. How did you find it in test in scrims and testing and how did you find it when you're actually on the grid?
00:12:38 I think it's such a big pick-or-ban-or-avoid situation. If you are kiting and you can reliably keep away from a Cenotaph or you've got the webs to deal with it, I think you can leave it unbanned. It felt like the ban strategy funneled into a game of chicken, where if you don't ban the Cenotaph...
00:13:03 und dann wenn sie nicht den Cenotaph haben, dann fühlst du es in eine Mirror. Und unsere Testung zeigt, dass wenn du in eine Cenotaph-Rush-Mirror bist, Kontrolle über die Cenotaph ist, bei far, die wichtigste Sache. Wenn du ein bisschen, wenn du ein bisschen, oder wenn du auf deine Pods too schnellstest, und miss... In unserer Match, unsere Opposition-Cenotaph...
00:13:29 fired two pods that didn't hit their targets. And you will be within 12 of a ship, but even if that ship is moving sideways in relation to you, that extra couple of hundred meters that the pod has to travel means that it doesn't hit its target if it's in the...
00:13:50 If it's in space for too long. And that really is the difference. Like I think a lot of Sun Tuff pilots are figuring out that it's better to wait until you're eight kilometers from your target than to try to get it off two seconds earlier. And to the previous point with Rush being this popular, I think Rush also could stand to be...
00:14:12 more granular on the graph as well like if you stack up like how many people flew rush versus how many people flew comps that add two to three battleships those graphs would be pretty similar in in size like it's easy to lump everything in its rush but i think that we had a couple of strategies there most notably people who took one battleship into the rush people who
00:14:39 hat Lokis versus no Lokis, I think is a big distinction as well. Oh, yeah. I mean, this is the trouble when grouping archetypes, is you have to pick some sort of macro archetype and then decide, okay, this is Rush, this is not Rush. I was DMing a moderator to be like, would you consider this comp control or should I put it under something else? So our triple battleship setup, we had two triple battleship comps. One of them...
00:15:07 White Squall's arguably Control, featuring a Redeemer for the Newts. The Odin's Balz Deep comp, featuring the Balgorn Double Abaddon, is a Pravi comp with extra webs and Newts. So, you know, you kind of have to split some hairs at some point. And it's true, we have broken the Triple Battleship comps.
00:15:32 into more subarchetypes than the Rush comps. Partly that's because I wanted to talk about the Triple Dominixes. Misty, we saw these last year in the Grand Finals. We're seeing them again in the feeders. Are they real? I mean, they've won so far, so yes, kind of. We saw, actually, the match that I highlighted, which was Nerve versus Evasive Maneuvering, was Triple Dominix from Nerve.
00:16:00 into a Nighthawk rush from Evasive Maneuvering, with some interest in piloting with the use of MJD beacons by the Evasive Maneuvering team to try and get on to the Dominixes. But I think one of the strengths of drone comps in general, but perhaps looking also at Dominixes specifically, is the fact that they are able to dedicate so much of their high slots towards Drone Link Augmentors and maybe
00:16:25 Ich denke, das ist eine der wichtigsten Probleme für einen Team. Aber sie sind auch able, weil sie das Advanced-Range haben, so sie sind auf verschiedene MJD-Beacons sind. Und ich denke, das ist eine der wichtigsten Probleme, oder das Rush-Facers in einem gewissen Matchup, ist das, dass wenn ein Team ein Team ist able, und man benutzt range, als eine der Measures-Beacons mit denen sie kontrollieren, dann
00:16:55 Rush will have a really hard time. I think the fact that Rush has won so much is just because Rush has been going into Rush as well, so by nature they'll be sitting on top of each other doing damage, and there's been no real issues with them having to chase down and catch up to things. I think we've seen Rush lose in those situations so far. Going back to your question though, Dominic's are real. They are okay so far. Dummies, they're real. Dujek, I think you wanted to chat about the dummies as well.
00:17:24 I think for feeders, when you have fewer bans and you can't control what your opponents bring, dummies are an incredibly safe comp. They can't be damped out with assigned drones. They're not being jammed out. They're not being tracking disrupted. You have these feeder comps in like really kitey kite with damps.
00:17:49 Das sind so einfach für Feeders. Du fühlst wie nichts ist wirklich zu werden. Und wenn du eine bessere Team bist, dann auch mit dem Kumpel.
00:18:14 Ja, das stimmt. Und wiederum, die wir gesehen haben von Tuskers in den Finals letzten Jahr, haben natürlich viel Raum für Execution in ihnen, wo ihr könnt mit höheren Executionen beginnen können. Und das tendt zu sein, was wir sehen, die höheren Skill-Teams und höheren Experience-Teams favorieren. Speaking von Executionen, ich würde gerne über die TRIPLE-TFI-Comp, als auch. Nova, vielleicht kannst du das für uns.
00:18:44 Yeah, this one was looking really solid overall. It is an armor setup with those Typhoon Fleet issues. They're Crews setup, the way they've been used thus far, at least. And the goal is largely to play a game of Keep Away. And I think the thing that was really the linchpin of the comp isn't just that high-end, the triple Typhoon Fleet issue, which of course can deal a bunch of raw DPS if you're just looking at Python numbers. But realistically, it's the low-end ships like...
00:19:10 Hyena, Vigil Fleet Issue we saw in one comp, and then the Normal Vigil. Those ships help so much for the application with cruise missiles. Already Typhoon Fleet Issues, one of the better ships for actually trying to apply with cruises.
00:19:24 But it's really, really reliant on both webs and target paints. So those comps have a tendency of falling apart if they lose those low-end ships. So it's really about that game of keep-away, especially with a hyena, I would say, doing their best to keep things off of them for as long as possible, while then simultaneously being able to swap all the webs and target paints right at...
00:19:43 der Moment they need to in order to get that application in. I've been really impressed seeing the really small size of things that oftentimes those cruise missiles have been able to hit because of that. So I think that comp's looking really, really good. Yeah, we saw it in the finals last year when Tuskers brought, I believe it was four Logical Hyenas, you know, things that all had target painters on them to the same match. And I think this was actually match five at the grand finals last year.
00:20:11 You see the other team just trying to kill target paints, and Tuskers is bleeding hyenas eventually. Four was the right number. They can't bring four this year, but we do have a lot. It's added to the story that, unlike this year,
00:20:33 Bringing three of the same ship twice last year was a huge points investment as well. So seeing three Hyenas when you end up paying, what was it, like 14, 13 points per Hyena, was a big deal as well. Yeah, definitely. And the Typhoon Fleet comps that we've seen, I think both the Triple Typhoon Fleet and the Triple Dummy are comps that only benefited from the changes that we've had since last year.
00:21:02 They weren't running four in a slot, so it's not like the Max Threat Comp or the Max Threat Medium Gun Spam, Octo, whatever you want to call it. It's not like the Octo Comp. It's not like the Rush Comp. They don't need to figure that out. They were only running three. They were suffering from points economy, having to overpay for a triple Typhoon fleet issue or drop a single one down to a Typhoon.
00:21:30 Now they're just living large. Misty, do you think we're going to see both the Typhoons as well in the main event? I would say so. We've seen Typhoon Fleet issues in previous tournaments as well.
Diskussion über Meta-Veränderungen und Strategien im Alliance Tournament
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00:21:45 um in those situations they've sometimes been fit with rapid heavy missile launches probably less likely to see rapid heavies going forward in the main tournament depending on what the balance changes are very hard to predict what the the future tournament meta is going to look like when we have big changes coming next week but um i i expect that we will see cruise typhoon fleet issues if cruise isn't hit too badly with a nerf bat um on the 9th of september because
00:22:14 Again, es ist eine Sache, um sich zu tun, um sich zu tun, um die Gegenteil in der Arena zu tun. Rapid Heavien haben die Probleme, wenn sie in den Schiff schießen, um Post-Surgical Strike, um die zusätzliche Resistungen zu sehen, und vielleicht auch noch eine Fittung, um mehr Tank zu tun.
00:22:31 They're not getting through the ship that they're usually shooting, at least not at a decent rate, which means that they end up running out of missiles and then they need to go and reload and eventually they fall behind. The benefit of cruises, especially from the Typhoon fleet issues, is that they apply really well. They'll apply to most of the areas of the arena, but also you don't have to worry about running out after 20 shots. You'll be able to continue to grind through whatever it is that you're shooting.
00:22:59 Dann geht es um die Tarket-Selection zu haben, um eine Bonust-Application zu machen, um auf die Lower-Enden zu tun, um, so dass du nicht nur ein Battleship schießt, als der erste Tarket, als der erste Tarket. Das ist die Tarket-Reppe. Speaking of Rapid Heavy Missile Launchers, eine der Kompsen, die nicht eine gute Weekend war, war die Kingslayer-Komp. Das ist zu sagen, Triple.
00:23:27 Armageddon Navy Issue featuring Rapid Heavy Missile Launchers attempting to destroy the enemy. That was one of the larger metagame shares that actually did not achieve the 50% win rate. For people who haven't spent a lot of time thinking about this, the 50% win rate, that's your okay bar. If you make 50%, then...
00:23:52 It's 50-50, you show up, maybe you win, maybe you don't. You expect 50% in a mirror. If you're doing better than 50%, then you're ahead of the metagame, you've got a good choice for the weekend. If you're below 50%, and again Armageddon Navy Issue is the standout ship of below 50%, then maybe you did not quite make the right metagame choice. Nova, why did Kingslayer not work out?
00:24:19 It's a good question. I do actually think that there is some relationship to that with the topic we were just touching on, which was these Typhoon fleet issues. In a lot of cases, they've been doing something really similar, but just better with their ability to play keep away for most of the time. And also, yeah, the reversion of the Surgical Strike nerfs that we were talking about previously, it's a big deal. Your target selection matters so, so much now at this point when you're choosing what your initial volleys are going to go after.
00:24:48 And so many times we've seen ships dip into mid-armor, and then nothing happens. They're stuck for a reload cycle. They get back all of their armor HP, especially because it's mostly been, at least in, I think, many of the matches that we've seen, at least it's been a lot of armor comps. We see things just pulling all the way back up to maximum armor, and then they just have to pick a new target entirely. Like, they've gotten nothing for it the entire time. So I think there's that element. I think...
00:25:14 Es ist auch eine Situation, ein paar Tage, wo gute Teams waren wirklich able, die bans die Teams waren. Wenn ein Team ist, dass ein Armageddon-Navy an den Tablen ist, das ist auch ein Ship, das hat viele Bans von Teams bekommen. Sie werden auch ein Zarmazd bekannten, wie ein Zarmazd, das sie vielleicht nicht wollen, weil sie wissen, dass sie das Zarmazd haben, oder sie werden das Zarmazd nicht machen. Weil Zarm's wirklich gut an...
00:25:43 All of your eggs in one basket sort of style of gameplay, where you just keep your rep on the one thing, it spools up, and then hopefully you survive through the Rapid Heavy clip. Realistically, I think a lot of teams were able to read into that and then bring things that either were going to field really well into the Armageddon Navy, or just say our comp didn't really care about that style of game plan to begin with. So I think that was definitely contributing to the poor showing it had that weekend. But I think a good number of teams who were pretty competent were still bringing it. I think there's still a lot of hope for the comp.
00:26:12 Ja, so in terms of changes, this is a comp that was also not really hurt by the changes in the points. It was not really hurt by the changes in, again, you didn't have a 4-Destroyer lineup, a 4-Frigate lineup, or a 4-high-end lineup, or anything like that.
00:26:41 But those weren't the only changes that we had between the Alliance Tournament and last year's Alliance Tournament and the one today. Dujek, is there anything else that might have hurt this comp?
00:26:54 I distinctly remember a couple of years ago, I was really told off for talking about Kingslayer from somebody who was a part of coining the term, and they were like, the point of Kingslayer is to kill the Lodchi. We've got a significant Lodchi buff recently, with Sarm, Basilisk, and Guardian becoming way tankier, and all of them repping more, for that matter.
00:27:21 und die Oneros und die Scimitarer werden schneller und höherer SIG-radius. So, like, the absolute worst-case scenario for Rapid Heavies, they can't chew through Lodgy that is both buffed on their own merits and on resistances. They have to go for something else instead. I'm a bit surprised we didn't see more Tech 2 Cruiser Lodgy, because it seems so strong.
00:27:49 In fact, we're seeing more Tech 1 Frigate Loggie than I've ever seen before just to get more points. In a powerful meta where you get to take a lot of good stuff, having even more points for even more good stuff seems to be the way people are going. Misty, where do you think that Tech 2 Cruiser Loggie has been going? Why aren't people bringing that?
00:28:18 Ich fühle mich, und das ist einfach aus den Vibes und meine wirklich schlechten Geschichte, meine Swisscheese-Memory, aber ich fühle mich, dass wir sicherlich sehen, T2 Logistik mit Teams, die mit Kontroll-Setupen sind.
00:28:33 Sie werden nur ein paar Ships auf der anderen Seite stehen und dann haben Sie eine sehr extensive Support-Wing, das bedeutet, dass Sie auch mehr Punkte für ein Takt 2 Logistics-Ship haben, aber Sie werden auch eine Takt 2 Logistics-Ship haben, um eine Takt 2 Logistics-Ship zu können. Ich fühle mich, dass die Takt 2 Logistics-Ship, die wir denken über, in meiner Meinung nach, sind eher die Guardian oder die Aneros.
00:29:00 Wir haben einige Scimitars gesehen in verschiedene Matchups, aber das ist meistens weil es kann Kite werden. Ich denke, dass die meisten Menschen wegzunehmen von your slower Tech 2 Logistics ships, weil sie sie nicht wollen, dass sie headshot oder fokussiert sind, in diesen Rush setups. Aber ich habe nicht wirklich eine gute Antwort außerhalb des Ramblings, welches ich Ihnen habe.
00:29:24 I mean, it's some good rambling. I think, you know, we saw a little bit of control this past weekend, and that control was predominantly drone control, where you have an Armageddon 1 to 3 EOSs. We don't have agreement on what is the right number of EOSs yet. But Armageddon's, EOSs, and then typically we were seeing two Disruption Cruisers, just the Tech 1 Disruption Cruisers in that sort of middle slot.
00:29:50 Traditionally, we don't see a lot of control in feeders, because both there's fewer bands, maybe a little bit less settled meta. Control is best if you can bring a ship that's actually going to target something. And you don't have flagships. So before we went live, we were just having a little yap about flagships, and I'd like to just get all of your opinions. Dujic, I'll start with you here. What do you think...
00:30:16 is going to be the standout flagship of Alliance Tournament 21? And what do you think is going to be the standout trap in the flagship? I think the standout flagship is probably Balgorn. I personally just love webbing people really far away and neuting them out up close. I think the standout trap is the Widow, for sure. I think...
00:30:41 It seems really cool to take something that we have not been allowed to take for years, and then you look at what it's allowed to get as a flagship, and you want to tank it up, and suddenly you're still putting metaphor modules on that thing, and it's going to be disappointing. Nova, are you also on Team No Widows? Yeah, unfortunately I'm going to have to agree, probably on both counts there. I think Balgorn is really, really good overall. I think...
00:31:10 If you rephrase that question as, you know, what will have the best maybe cost efficiency, we might have a different answer there. But realistically, if you are able to get all the purple modules you want, I think Balgoron's going to be pretty sweet, and I don't know if Widow will have the same power. But I do think for cost effectiveness, if you're just trying to get something middle of the road to get your couple AT ships potentially as prizes without paying...
00:31:35 Exorbitant fees, hundreds of billions of ISK. I still sort of like Armageddon Navy Issue. I think it was reasonable before. And yeah, you can field it pretty budget. You're not going to get as much value out of Tobias Webbs, for example. So yeah, you don't have to spend the ISK on it. Yeah, and these days you can no longer, both last year and this year, you can no longer put dead space neutralizers on it to just boop.
00:32:00 ...deleite the capacitor of the Oneros at ranges that are honestly just truly uncharitable. Misty, are you agreed with your fellow deskmates here? Yeah, I think we'll... I mean, Balgorn is probably the best choice this year, depending again on what the balance changes are. But...
00:32:24 Ja, ich expecte mich zu sehen, viele Armageddon-AV-A-V-A-V-A-V-A-V-A-V-A-V-A-V-A-V-A-V-A-V-A-V-A-V-A-V-A-V-A-V-A-V-A-V-A-V-A-V-A-V-A-V-A-V-A-V-A-V-A-V-A-V-A-V-A-V-A-V-A-V-A-V-A-V-A-V-A-V-A-V-A-V-A-V-A-V-A-V-A-V-A-V-A-V-A-V-A-V-A-V-A-V-A-V-A-V-A-V-A-V-A-V-A-V
00:32:45 Kruz-Kruz-Kruz-Kruz-Kruz
00:33:15 Wobei, wenn du eine Shield bringst, dann macht es viel dämlich, und kann auch sehr gut mit den Crewsmanlern. Ich hoffe, dass wir einige Bargäste als Flagships sehen.
00:33:26 Sounds good. So, that is our best guess as to the flagship meta. That is a quick review of the meta that we have seen from last weekend. But of course, last weekend is but one weekend. Next weekend is still to come. And to discuss next weekend, we are going to take a quick gate jump to Hot Take City, where CCP Jotun will be joining us.
Prognosen und "Hot Takes" zu kommenden Matches und Teamstrategien
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00:33:57 CCP Jotun, we have many matches that are coming up, and some of these matches will be good matches, and some of these matches will be matches of EVE Online. Yes. Which match do you think is going to have, who's going to go home this weekend, who should not go home? Who's going to go home this weekend who's not going home? That should not. We're looking at the upcoming matches. Who's going to find their way?
00:34:22 Just tumbling out of the bracket. Let me take a look at the sheet here real quick. Man, a lot of teams that are probably going to lose this weekend, if I'm going to guess. You know, here's the thing. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. It's the feeders, right? Like, a lot of things can happen. A lot of the teams who are already going to make it in have already made it in, and they're done. They don't have anything to worry about, right? The teams that are left, honestly, anybody's ballgame.
00:34:47 Anybody's ballgame. First matchup. I mean, one of the very first matches up tomorrow. Today, if you're listening to this and the recording, probably. Who knows? Life is dark and full of terror. First matchup tomorrow. Seriously suspicious. No vacancies. Either one of those teams could go, I think. I mean, I obviously, a well-known, proud wormhole stan, without question. But both those teams...
00:35:12 Either one of them, it's a toss-up. And obviously there are a lot of great teams on this list that just have not been able to get that second win to get them into the tournament just yet. But looking down the list here of teams that I think might be the one to go, I mean, I think probably...
00:35:32 Exodus and Dora Sweet Punch. Who do you pick? Who from those two do you pick? You know what I mean? These are some spicy matches. I think Roe Capel goes. I think White Squall probably wins. I think Roe Capel probably goes. I think Hole Control probably goes. Just because that's the thing they do in a lot of cases. I put a lot of channel points on Hole Control in the past.
00:36:00 Varying levels of success in that metric. But again, there are a lot of other teams here that I think will probably do pretty well. I expect teams like Neon Nightmares will go through. I expect Doro Sweet Punch might go through. They didn't look too bad before. I think Sleeper Pick for me, for me, for me, Dog, for me. I think, man, I think Mimitar Fleet might go through.
00:36:25 I think Mimitar Fleet might go through. I've sat in on a couple there. Now, I'm not saying that because I think they're any good. But I don't know that much about Portal Pirates. Possible? Possible? Who knows? Portal Pirates brought the Barbaroga in the last one. And I'm going to say Mimitar Fleet Alliance will go through to the Alliance Tournament 21 in the Year of Our Lord 2025. That is my hot take of the day. Alright, excellent.
00:36:54 Carry on. Thank you. Thank you. So, in terms of matches to watch, I'm going to ask for more hot takes, but in terms of matches to watch, I think the number one elimination match is going to be the second match of the day, and that is White Squall versus Rote Capel. White Squall has been in the Alliance Tournament last year. You may remember them from the thrilling
00:37:20 1-0 victory. I do remember that. An incredible victory. It was the Pacifist victory, too. That's wonderful. Rote Capel, obviously, storied tournament team, and they are a storied tournament team that picked up another storied tournament team. This year's Rote Capel is Rote plus Templus Calcif. One of them must go home. Misty, who do you think it's going to be?
00:37:47 Between Rote and Whitesquall? Rote and Whitesquall. Yes. We're putting our channel points in early. Mr. Mike. I have no points to put in. I've already lost all of mine. Curious. What can I say? I can't read. I would probably go with... You know what? I'm going to prey on Rotes Downfall. I don't want to see no Mademoiselles in the chat. Put this in your advert.
00:38:15 Buddy, if you make it in, you won't. You know, but here's the thing, though. Here's the thing. Miskelmatt makes a good point, right? So many of these teams, especially at this level, right? There are a lot of teams who are going to do well in this tournament. And a lot of teams that put in a lot of hard work. And a lot of teams that... A lot of the teams, those teams are still in the tournament right now. Those teams are in the feeders week in two.
00:38:40 Still fighting for a spot. Those teams should be in the tournament. There are a lot of reasons to support a team and a lot of reasons to not want to support a team. And I think as good a reason as any to not support a team, chat spam. I'm going to say it right now. Chat spam. Mademoiselles get me every time. I see them and monkey brain activates. And I'm just like, oh, I'm tilted now. I see that mademoiselle and I'm like, this is the dumbest turn of phrase I've ever heard in my entire life. I respect it, but I do also hate it.
00:39:10 So, it's a fair point, Mystical Might.
00:39:14 Okay, well, one, I was just hating because I love to hate. Jotun hates because you have tilted him. Chat spam. This is different. Listen, and not all chat spam is bad. The chat spam that I create specifically, very good, high quality. Many people are saying this. Of course, of course. Yes, of course. But just, I mean, listen, here's the thing. Mademoiselle Rochapel has been a thing for like 19 years, okay? Since 1975, when they first created Rochapel, all right?
00:39:40 Wenn John Rochappel created Rochappel und sie starten mit dem Mademoiselle in Chat. Guys, change it up. Es ist seit 75 Jahren. Just change it. Es ist easy. Nova, wo du kommst auf den Chat-Spam-debate? Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich... Ich
00:40:03 I think they're going to win. I think they're going to take down Whitesquall in a crushing victory. Okay, okay. Alright. Yeah, that'll be my guess there. I think they have a really good shot of it. Honestly, yeah, we've seen both of these teams exactly one game apiece last weekend, I think on day one. Neither did a really impressive performance, I would say. Not that I have many channel points to wager, because as, you know, like Mystical Might, I lost some in the waning hours of Sunday of last weekend.
00:40:32 Aber ja, ich denke, ich werde ihn auf Rote-Capelle. Okay, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Wenn wir die FACS into die MADR, dann Rote wird wahrscheinlich gewinnen, weil sie eine bessere comp haben. Das ist nicht Hot Facts. Ja, das ist, ja, das ist Hot Takes City. Hot Takes. Wir sind die Vibes- Wir sind die Vibes-based Stream hier.
00:40:58 In terms of other teams that are in the elimination block, we have Goon Swarm Federation versus Fancy Pants Alliance. What's it going to be like if Test makes it in and Goons goes out and feeders? That's guaranteed. It's going to happen. Test's already in. Goons is already going home. They're packed up.
00:41:18 There's been a lot said over the last week about my sudden and in many ways unexpected unabashed fandom of Test Alliance. Please ignore. Many people have had a lot of comments. Some of those people will be at the desk tomorrow. Actually, neither one of those people will be at the desk tomorrow because Bart and Ithaca Hawk, CB Overload, will not be there. I will take notes and I will bring it up just for them. I will hold up my piece of paper and be like, so Ithaca told me to say.
00:41:47 Test. Test is going, baby. Test is in. Test is my, is CCBO and Stone Cold pick of the century of the week. I did that backwards, but you know what I mean. Like, listen, I made some jokes last week that may or may not have ended up on Reddit, and people had strong opinions about my description of tiny dinosaur arms reaching into the heavens and killing God, okay?
00:42:12 I understand. Those are strong words. People have a lot of feelings, okay? But I'm telling you, Tess has a lot of things going for them. One, unexpected. Nobody expects Tess to win. Why would they? They're not good. But second very important thing, dinosaur mascot. Dinosaurs, very cool. Anybody who's been six before knows dinosaurs, very cool. And not only that, dinosaurs in a little suit. Sometimes wearing a hat, I've seen in some images. So like, listen.
00:42:38 This is not the facts hour. If this was Hot Facts Hour, sponsored by Nova Terra Wren, this would be, we'd be talking about how Tess, not traditionally a storied tournament team. In fact, probably, might not make it out of the first round. But, but, in Hot Take City, in Hot Take City, dinosaurs run the show, baby. Like, Tess is in. Tess, Tess Alliance, please ignore. In the year of our Lord, 2025, is in the Alliance Tournament.
00:43:08 Cats and dogs marrying each other in the streets. That's a thing that's happening right now. So I'm excited. I've got a better hot take. Please, go ahead. I've got a better hot take. I've got a hot take question. Okay. Okay, yeah, yeah. Any wormhole teams currently guaranteed to be in the tournament? I mean, so Laserhawks is... Laserhawks is in. Hawks is in. Odin's call is in. Odin's call is in. Okay, okay.
00:43:36 Ich denke Polaris Mercenary Alliance ist eigentlich Wormhole. Das ist ein guter Punkt. Nerve ist ja auch ein Wormhole. Shoutout zu Dujek für diese Facts kommen in Hot Takes. Alright, mein Hot Take ist, dass keine Wormhole Teams sind in den Main Tournament, okay? Ignor die Facts. Ignor die Facts. Disqualifikation will kommen.
00:44:05 This is a joke. For legal reasons, it's a joke. Cease be zealous if you're listening. It is a joke. I... Listen.
00:44:14 Wormholers, he's emoting in chat. He is listening. Actually, you guys didn't see this. I'm going to show it to you now. I didn't get a chance to use it earlier because I was kind of hoping that he would appear at some point and we could like, oh, CSP Zealous is talking. I have this little ghost Zealous. You can't really see it, but you can see it. They'll be able to see it, trust me. The players can see it. Ghostly Zealous. They're like, ooh.
00:44:39 There's only one spot on the screen where that should be going. Oh, is it over Nova? No, no, it's the third corporation. Oh, yes. You know what we're going to do? Actually, you make a great point. We're going to bring him right down here. Oh, yeah. There we go. Look at him go. There we go. Look at that little bastard. He's so cute. There we go. Zealous is with us. Zealous sponsoring this stream also. All this, yes, with his infinite patience. All this to say, Wormholers, not especially good.
00:45:08 This sort of thing. For some reason, the best space in the game, the best PvP in the game, many have said the best place to live in the game. I know many people are saying this. And yet, for some reason, can't really sort of figure out the whole AT thing. Except for Odin's, kind of. And Tusker's, also kind of.
00:45:31 The problem with ATs is the comps are all different. Vargers are bad. How are you supposed to come and PVP in the Alliance tournament if Vargers are bad? All I'm saying is that CCP needs to introduce a new tournament where it's 40v40, each side gets a dread and a fax, and then you can bring as much mass as you can fit through an H296. If we did that tournament,
00:46:01 We have a beautiful video to show you.
00:46:28 You'll see it as well. You can also watch it on YouTube. It is there. Very well done. In terms of other hot takes, we've talked about the metagame. Nova, do you think there's any spice that is left in the comp spreadsheets for any of these teams here? Are we going to see some new cooking?
00:46:55 I'm really hoping so. I think that we've seen a lot of it from especially the three battleship setups already that we're going to be seeing a lot more of. But as far as like one battleship setups, I do feel like there is some cooking there as well. I think there was one sort of an Octo setup. I think Armor Octo especially has been a lot less popular this year that fielded, it was either an APOC Navy or an APOC I think at the top end there.
00:47:21 Und ich fühle mich, dass es vielleicht eine Hoffnung ist. Aber ja, ich weiß nicht, wir sehen. Ich denke, für mich, wenn es etwas new ist, meine guess ist, dass es ein Battleship-Setups wird, um die Dinge zu verabschieden, die wir missen, um, ich glaube, nicht zu werden, für Battlecruisers, zum Beispiel. So, ja, ich denke, da ist viel zu kooken, da.
00:47:43 Oh, sorry, go ahead Misty. Okay, alright. Floor is mine. Floor is yours. The single battleship in the Octo setup that you're talking about was from Psycho Kids. And I think technically it performed better than expected because one of the Mimitar Fleet Alliance Golems just decided that the tournament wasn't for them and died. So I don't know if that was a fair test necessarily, but it's good to see... The Golem...
00:48:07 The Golem recognizes what he was up against there and just decided, nope, it's over. It's over. I think they saw the writing on the wall. The EM hole so big, it disabled the ancillary shield booster. True. Here's a hot take. Are you ready? I'm ready. Every team in the tournament so far up to this point, cowards. Right? Cowards. Absolute cowards. And here's why. Here's the hot take. Here's the hot take. Octo is dead, many people are saying.
00:48:35 Because the dastardly CCP Zealous instituted the new three ships in a class rule. So you can only bring three cruisers and three battlecruisers. And people are saying, oh, Octo's dead. We can only do Sexto now. Many people are saying that as well. Or Shockto, whatever we're calling this thing now. Shockto. That's the shared one. That's fine. Sexto's fine. I like Sexto a lot. I think people... That's got some zhuzh to it. You know what I mean? But...
00:49:00 You can still bring eight ships that have medium guns on them, as long as two of those ships are battleships. So bring Octo if you want to win in the tournament. Just make sure that two of those ships happen to be, listen, TFIs with medium howitzers, and then the rest of your, yes? Are you familiar with a gamer by the name of Millant Arc Trooper?
00:49:28 Yes! Yes, I absolutely am! Aliaris! I'm just saying that if you want... Listen, the raw sexual energy of Octo in the past has carried teams to the finals. They have achieved... People have won hundreds of billions of ISK, trillions of ISK in many cases, on the back of Octo. And now for the first time in years, Octo is in its... Oh, it's dead. It's dying. It's dying. Except...
00:49:56 Except there's one true Octo left. For those who are brave enough to reach out and grab life by the Cajones, you can have Octo. Teams, you can do Octo right now. You just get two ships, slap a full range of medium guns on them, and let it rip, baby. Look at all, you have so much power grid after that. Straight to Zeke. Yes, it says hot.
00:50:21 Not Crackpot City hier, nicht Crackpot City, okay? Not Crackpot City, okay? I think you might be cooking a little too hard, okay? The problem is I'm being too truthful. People hated him because he spoke the truth. That's what's happening here. And you're right, you're right. You can put so much tank on a ship if you do that. Speaking of tank, just random hot take.
00:50:42 Raise your hand if you think we're going to see polarized anything at any point during a tournament. Probably, but they shouldn't. Jotun? Jotun's for it. Jotun's for it. One team will always pull it out thinking that nobody will expect it. They'll be like, oh, we're going to get them this time. We're going to come in with each one of our ships will have 2,800 DPS. We're just going to be blasting. And then they get into a fight and they fall over immediately. They're like, ah, hoisted by our own petard.
00:51:08 It's sort of like the bait oracle, but in reverse, right? Where you just fit all tank lows on an oracle, thinking that it'll be a squishy target, and then it's not. Instead, you just fit something that looks like it's going to be really tanky, fit it polarized. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's totally going to happen. Totally fine. No problem. I'm with Jotun on this one. Hell yeah. Yeah. No, I mean, it's the... There's also the I know that you know that I know.
00:51:33 Oh, they always fit a bait oracle. And since they always fit a bait oracle, clearly the opponents will not shoot the oracle first, so we just polarize it and just...
00:51:43 Blast them out. I do think that people eventually do look at the combat logs though. So here's the thing that they need to do. And this is not, listen, this is a bold move. I'm not going to call people a coward for not doing this, though I have done that very recently within the last minute or so. But what people need to do is do the bait oracle, but in reverse. Have one oracle that's like tanked normally, right? Send that one guy out there, put him in the front so he's obviously the one that gets tackled first. And then they're like, oh, he's got, he's...
00:52:12 Das ist alles. Und dann, die resten kommen, nicht tanken. In fact, polarisieren. Denken die Olle Slippi Dip. Die Strategie ist, Lose an oracle, zu save your other oracle. Du kannst nur zwei oracles, die nicht die.
00:52:35 I feel like you're reading to it a weird way. The strategy is not lose an oracle. The strategies have one oracle that kind of tanks, and then they don't suspect that all the other ones are not at all even remotely tanked. Okay, I need to point out the word here. Kind of tanks implies it dies, but it dies slowly. It is in fact an oracle, so it will fall over the moment somebody sneezes at it. Yeah, that's my next hot take.
00:52:59 If it's not clear, by the way, viewers, this is the entertainment section of the show. This is not Hard Fact. That was earlier. You can go back and watch. Dujek had a lot of really well-spoken points. You should listen to what that guy has to say. This is not what that is. Carry on, Allie, please. Oh, I was just going to keep us moving along the bracket that I'm scrolling down here. So in terms of elimination matches, we've talked about White Squall versus Rook Capel.
Alliance Tournament XXI: Vorhersagen und Team-Analysen
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00:53:27 Minmatar Fleet Alliance versus Portal Pirates. Now, the thing with Fleet Alliance is I agree. I think they're going to get through Portal Pirates. I do respect Portal Pirates for coming, showing up. I'm secretly in my heart of hearts cheering for Portal Pirates to find two additional gamers to feel the full setup. That'll be good. But then Minmatar Fleet will still have to fight Standard Protocol. Yeah, that's tough. It's pretty tough.
00:53:57 It is tough. But, you know, if you lose that one, then they get one last go. So the folks who are winning, the folks who are winning in these first 12 matches of the next broadcast, those are the folks who are on the skins run. If you want to do the historical Odin's Call run up through the bottom of Feeders, we have a number of groups here that might do it. Maybe that'll be goons this year. I don't know. Nova!
00:54:26 Any teams that you particularly want to see make the skin run? Yeah, I think there's going to be a really tough match pretty early on, which is Slow Children at Play against Can I Bring My Drake. And I think either of those teams could potentially have a really impressive skins run there. I think they're both reasonably solid. I think actually last year Slow did a pretty good job in Feeders, and then I think even into the main event.
00:54:54 Und ja, wenn sie das so gut wiederholfen können, dann wäre es wirklich cool zu sehen. Ich denke, dass diese Teams vielleicht unsere Peak-Skins-Champions sind, glaube ich.
00:55:05 Indeed, and now they'll still have to get through the folks who have won earlier on and did not end up in this situation. UA Fleets is here for rushing out White Squall, and I'm excited to see if they're going to bring more rush or something else. Of Essence also.
00:55:29 team that could find themselves in the Alliance Tournament, as well as Postbog Clarity, which we talked about before. Yeah, I like Evescence. Speaking...
00:55:39 I like UA Fleets too. I really think UA Fleets looked pretty good last weekend. And I expect that they'll come out pretty strong. And you know who else was kind of surprising? Seeker Matar. Seeker Matar had one pretty good match that I thought they came out looking very good. Seeker Matar...
00:56:08 Not one that I would have expected coming into the weekend. That we'd be now here in weekend two. And they'd still be sticking around. Well, that's not true. They'd be sticking around here by default. But all this to say, they have a chance tomorrow to get through. And I think that's pretty impressive. Good for them.
00:56:26 Seeker Matar also shared with us a couple of really funny things about their team. And one of them I thought was really cool that we didn't touch on last week, or I don't think we had the chance to, was that they have a pilot named Tackleman who can only apparently fly frigates on TQ. They need a really solid performance, I believe flying a stealth bomber. So yeah, lived way longer than we expected to and did a lot of DPS, but I don't think it was quite enough. But I do think, yeah, it's a good shout, reasonable team. I was impressed.
00:56:53 Das ist, man, das ist die Geschichte. Das ist die gute Sache. Das ist die Leute kommen zurück. Das ist die Cinderella-Bullshit. Du hast Tackle-Man, du hast ihn zu den Allianz-Tournament. Das ist die Leute, das ist das für Jahre. Ich bin happy für dich, Tackle-Man. Und ich hoffe, du machen es. Ich meine, das ist die Sache. Es ist die Cinderella-Story, aber es ist auch, ich glaube, ein Encouraging-Thinge zu all of die Leute, die watching und die going, das sounds like fun.
00:57:22 It is fun, and you can participate in the Alliance Tournament, even if you do not have complete all five skills on Tranquility, and not just because you will get all five skills on Thunderdome for the defeaters. You can use the skills that you have. Dujek is reminding us that Seeker Matar, the backbone of last year's Pandemic Chord, so even though we do not have a Pandemic Chord team in the bracket, if Seeker Matar gets through, that'll be...
00:57:50 Effectively the same type of thing here.
00:57:57 All right, I'm going to ask for one last hot take before we depart from Hot Take City, and that is, I'll start with you, Misty. Misty, what is one comp that you hope does not make it to the Alliance Tournament? Damn, I have to give a hot take for this? Okay. I mean, you know, I think any sort of haterade is by definition at least a little bit hot. So, you know, you can...
00:58:25 Triple-geared Navy issues. Alright. That's not really a hot take, though. I'll also say it doesn't make it to the tournament.
00:58:37 Ja, ich habe nichts. Ich habe eine Navi-Issue. Ich habe nur die Hände in meiner Meinung. Ich kann nicht mehr denken. Das ist fair. Das ist fair. CCP-Joten, was das überhaupt nicht passiert? Ich liebe es. Ich liebe es. Ich liebe es. Ich liebe es. Ich liebe es so. No mehr Rush. Ich liebe es. Hier ist es. Wenn ich diese Matches sehe, was ich möchte, sind zwei Teams mit...
00:59:01 150 collective DPS in full control setups, where it's like watching a constrictor wrap around like a small, I was going to say child, I won't say child, that would be inappropriate, a small human being and just like crush the life out of them, right? I want to see somebody with a single widow with light missile launchers on it that's going to put out a...
00:59:22 A sum total of 70 DPS. And just absolutely strangle the other team with Damps and ECM. And I want the match to go for 15 minutes. While they just absolutely choke the life out of each other. That match last year with White Squall where they won by a single point. That's just like, ugh. That's the good stuff, you know? Because yeah, many people will look at that and be like, oh, nothing happened. And I'm like, nothing happened.
00:59:48 Nothing happened. You saw a force of nature just absolutely squeeze the life out of 10 other human beings. That's very impressive, even if they didn't actually kill anything. So yeah, Rush, boring. Boring. I don't care about your DPS. I don't care about your big numbers. I know you want the match to be over quickly. I get it. I understand. Listen, I understand. But I want to see...
01:00:14 Teams mit 10 DPS total. Go out there and just make it hurt real, real, real bad. That's what I want. Is this why you're encouraging the fitting of medium guns to battleships? Yes. Yes. Okay. Yeah. Hey, Mystical Might. Yes. People are not ready for Tocto, which is 10 Octo. I just made it up. Where every ship has small guns. So, you know.
01:00:43 Battleships, small guns. Cruisers, small guns. Battlecruisers, small guns. Frigates, small guns. And guess what? Lodgy ships, small guns. Yeah, I mean, the Zarm, you have extra high slots. There you go. I don't know if you can put guns in them, but there you go. Absolutely goddamn try. And if they can't have guns, CCP, Jotun, you better get your colleagues on that.
01:01:08 I think my main takeaway from CCP Jotun's comment here is that he does not want to spend a lot of time yapping on the desk. I think my main takeaway here is that Jotun knows that Loggia are getting guns in the next update. That's what I'm saying. Nova, what's your comp to cut? Yeah, of course having to follow up Jotun on there. That one makes it tough for me. I'm going to say...
01:01:34 I think I don't want to see any more of HML Kite. I think this is especially the versions that just bring like a damp ship or two. And essentially say, I'm going to essentially just orbit the arena beacon at, you know, some exorbitantly long distance. And then we have to pretend to be really excited about what might be a foregone conclusion for the entire...
01:01:56 10 Minuten, in der off-chance, in der one remaining hope, dass es vielleicht ein Boundary ist. Wer weiß? Personally, ich würde gerne ein bisschen mehr HML-Kite. Das ist mein guess. Das ist mein Punkt. Especially, warum bring HML-Kite, wenn TFI-Kite ist da?
01:02:17 Es ist definitiv das. Aber Schocktow ist gut. Schocktow ist gut, in meiner Meinung nach, wenn man einen Schildkite hat. Aber eh, HML. Ich bin mit dem. Ja, gut answer.
01:02:29 An actual answer, too, by the way. Good answer. Thank you, Nova Terraran, for bringing some legitimacy to this section. I appreciate it. They're never going to break one of those battleship cores, so you just have to watch them slowly killing off the low end as the match gets more and more hopeless. Nah. I do agree with Nova. Heavy missiles, I think, are fine. I just don't want to see the rapid missile launch variants where there's just a bunch of rapid light ships in those setups. I don't mind heavy missiles. That's fair.
01:02:58 Just don't bring the rapid lights. Alright, well, thank you very much. And thank you all very much for attending. Misty, Dujek, CCP Jotun, and Nova. Also, thank you to CCP Zealous for putting this together. Bay Art J for attempting to get the stream working. Bay's a fucking hero, dude. Yep, Bay is a complete hero. And to...
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Alliance Tournament 21: Eröffnungsrunde und Strategie-Einblicke
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01:04:15 Hello everyone and welcome to Alliance Tournament 21 Feeder Rounds. The arena is open, the ammo has been loaded and only the strongest will survive. Every volley counts, every mistake potentially fatal. These teams aren't just fighting for bragging rights, they're fighting for a chance to stand amongst the best of the best in New Eden and enter the Alliance Tournament proper.
01:05:20 Vindicators your favorite ship you're always clamoring for a Vindy but we may see one I think we're gonna see a lot of very standardized comps but nothing world changing so I don't know if you're gonna see any Vindys here today I'm in heaven boys there's two Vindicators let's go blood and death you're both running away
01:06:14 und meine Cameras haben sich um ein bisschen nachzudenken. Ich assure Sie, ich bin hier. Wir haben uns in eine Radio-Show gemacht.
01:06:41 This is artillery against no Logi, every damage is free. Okay, well, this is game. Well done, Bazra and the boys.
01:07:12 We are seeing weird things. We are seeing very weird things. There is a Barbaroga and a Cenotaph on the arena, and one team warped to the wrong range, so they will be force warped to zero. I mean, this Barbaroga is 50 points. That's a lot of points. Now, of course, there was a bit of a misunderstanding, and for some reason they all warped in at like 100, so that's why they're all at zero. I'm not sure they're that bothered about that, because Barbaroga, three Ikaturses, and two Draugars, as it says, let's roam in.
01:08:01 Big respect to Portal Pirates as well, bringing an Undermann Full Spool Comp. Is it successful or even efficient? No, but it is damn cool, and you've got maximum Star Points, even if you're getting obliterated. There are four ships at 50. The Balgorn, the Bargass, the Rattlesnake, and the Barbaroga. One of these is not like the others. The Barbaroga is not like the others in this case. You know that meme of the three-headed Hydra?
01:08:28 2 Heads looking really fierce and mean, and there's Algor and Vargas, and then there's the other one, it's just the Barber Orga. Triple cruise Typhon Fl... Okay! Okay, then! Someone's been cooking real good in the kitchen, we'll see if this works for them. Yeah. He's dying to an absolute wave of drones. There's an absolute wave of drones on Rain Road, so one hyena may be about to go down. Oh, wow! 1%! Holy shit, he's...
01:08:57 He's capturing refs! I think I saw missiles coming out as well. Yeah, they are firing Rapid Heavies into a Hyena. That is so desperation. It's the emotional damage they want to kill him for staying alive with 100% health. Oh, we see a lot of damage on Rain again. It's those Rapid Heavies trying to finally get that Hyena down. He is beating up here a lot again, so we'll see if he can actually live.
01:09:23 He's burning over to his lodgy friends. Come on. Come on. We believe in you. Don't die. Don't die. No. No. Are you kidding me? We have a minute 30 left. At the moment, Sons of Bane are ahead by two points. And I'm not seeing much going down quickly. If they can kill a target or hold, they might be able to get away with this, which would be ridiculous. They've got to kill something, man. Come on. Kill something, please. Please.
01:09:49 Even just the Vexor, if they even just kill the Vexor, they are ahead of one point. So you just have to get through one thing and keep the rest alive. I think they can still do it. The Armagedt Navy issues are MJDing! They are MJDing! They're going right into a brawl! Armagedt Navy's MJD on and right on top of the entire backline. Those boots are going to be wreaking havoc in those smaller ships, especially those Mollusit, is they're not going to be able to play in the game much. And that Zarm is tackled.
01:10:18 Nein, aber sie haben das Wettbewerb für das Wettbewerb, haben alle ihre Destroyer und ihre Logifrigas bereits verloren. Aber da sind wir, die Webs und die Screms und die Zarmast, und es ist sehr schnell verabschiedet worden. Frank Le Tank hat nicht viel zu tun, als er ist caught und verabschiedet worden, von den Gaddons und ihren Neuken.
01:10:42 I'm just checking the missiles at the moment, but I'll come back to that, because they're right on top of each other, so the damage is going to be landing immediately. Scram on the Serb right now. We're going to scram on the Sleipnir as well. You're going to see damage on the Kirin as well. Almost literally going to go straight down for the No Leads Include Space Team. Now the Sleipnir taking loads of damage from Space Violence. It's going to DPS is pushing straight through, and he goes down as well. I mean, the trading is happening so fast. Second Kirin about to go down as well. Nighthawk as well from Jaw, taking a lot of damage. Kirin as well.
01:11:09 Rose, die sind so fast. Ja, das Slepnir war Dotted als das Clock war, und sie sind hier, sie sind hier, sie sind bereit zu spielen. Als die Slepnir, als sie in den zweiten Slepnir sind, sieht er auch aus wie er geht. Das Cenotaph ist in die Arbeit.
01:11:26 Ich glaube, dass ich den Räden aufbauen kann. Er ist sterben. Er ist zu Armour, zu Strukturen. Ich meine, das ist ein ganzer Mann. Der Räden von Jarry-X ist ein ganzer Mann. Wenn er geht, dann ist es eine große No-League-Lose-Face. Sie können die Spiel-Lose-Face-Face-Face-Face-Face-Face-Face-Face-Face-Face-Face-Face-Face-Face-Face-Face-Face-Face-Face-Face-Face-Face-Face-Face-Face-Face-Face-Face-Face-Face
01:11:54 Ich glaube, er hat sich nicht so gut gemacht, aber ich glaube, er hat sich nicht so gut gemacht. Er hat sich nicht so gut gemacht, aber ich glaube, er hat sich nicht so gut gemacht. Ich meine, das Spiel, von dem Beginn, hat sich alles so schnell gemacht. Und der Support-Wing von SpaceViolent wirklich hält auf die ganze Welt und bringt es zurück. Es ist toll, dass die Bantams, glaube ich, und die Spieples sind. Wir haben gesagt, dass Jackdaws und Spieples...
01:12:23 Hello everyone, we are back. It is Day 2 of Alliance Tournament 21 Feeder Rounds. Yesterday pilots carved their name in wreckage and fire. Today more will rise and more will fall as the Crucible of Combat demands sacrifice.
Alliance Tournament 21 Tag 2: Strategische Manöver und unerwartete Wendungen
01:13:49
01:13:49 Nothing, nothing. The best ship is the one that you use. We're going to sit back, board yourself a month quick. Seen from Jaws, we see the scary naval theory barreling in towards Zendropic Thunder, trying to get a hold of something. The amount of pressure taken off the logistics of young Renegade. He can apply his reps a bit better. They're going to get their damage down as that blackbird.
01:14:37 ...zwecks out of existence, which puts Besod in an awkward position. At the same time, these two Deacons are starting to take a lot of pressure. There's damage going across a lot of ships. The Redeemer also leaking armour. Those two logistics rigors are probably an absolute tumultuous point in time. As the second Blackbird goes down, no ECM blanket. Those Deacons are fully open to the hatred that paper numbers can offer. Should lose to a hand rush.
01:15:02 They're in a really difficult position. Those EOSs and that Oracle are going to have to put in some work as we do see that Redeemer fall. 41 points worth of damage.
01:15:12 We're gonna find out.
01:15:41 ...electing to try and get rid of the Cenotaph... ...but trading a Slepnir for it... ...as the Cenotaph for Polaris just about clinging on... ...going to start burning through Ominal. Huge amount of damage flying around. If those Cenos, like I said before, can spread those dots... ...they can start to apply some pressure... ...but Polaris Mercenary Alliance do lose their Cenotaph... ...and lose the ability to spread that damage. Just a hell of a time getting those little guys in that pod. It's like the pod's too big, it sticks to the side of the ship.
01:16:07 Und dann sind sie auch, ich kann nicht in die Destroyer, es ist zu klein. Und ihr wisst, was nicht das Problem hat? Die Follos. Hier ist Johnny! Und wir werden zwei Teams ran, hin zu hin, hier und sehen die Battle der Dots.
01:16:43 Goundswarm losing the first ship, Arkasos in the Sleipnir, and a second one, Ranchir, soon to fall. Wow, they've done such a good job of taking down points and trading for it. I think there's three or four damage over time effects that are still applying onto Goundswarm from that one Sedition Sinnoh. Job well done from that pilot. Osprey does go down though, same time. As we do see the Maelstrom fall, it's a massive amount of their damage and also a big chunk of tank out of the brawl, and we'll now see Sedition start.
01:17:12 Wir sind jetzt hier in den Cenotaph und das Brainsworden. Wir sind jetzt ein Battle Badger, alle. U.A. Fleets hat eine sehr unigere Werte. Mein bestes Wissen ist, dass es ein ganzes Wettbewerb von Cap-Sticks ist, für den Scorpion zu keep Cap-Injecten für die nächsten fünf Jahre.
01:18:26 I think this is an attempt at AA Boundary, but, um, the... Skybreaker has been scrammed. The Boundary attempt has been denied by the Skybreaker of Striker Eriker, and, uh, Mixture XLB is going to die in the arena with the rest of their team. He did not bring any, so he's not gonna kill that.
01:19:32 They do not have any help left, rather. All of their help has died. So Faffy Waffy is now going to be the next target, and you can see just the wave of drones going over to absolutely murder him. Look at him chasing down, I can see two of the Raptors in the Skybreaker. Just chasing him. Look at the MJD from Vargas of Tophie Hunter, where is he going? Let's see. Oh, he just got bumped. Is that going to send him off? Nope.
01:19:58 Yep, see you later, buddy. He just got sent down to the Shadow Realm. If I remember from all of my research prior to this, this is not their first AT. No, it's not their first AT.
01:20:14 In another timeline, the Arena.
01:20:42 was left in the hands of others. The results speak for themselves. Welcome, Pilots, to Oopsie Dome, where it's a thousand versus a thousand, and everything went wrong before the match even started.
Alliance Tournament 21: Team-Analysen, Strategie-Diskussionen und Metagame-Trends
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01:29:06 And welcome to the second weekend of Alliance Tournament Feeders. I am your host, Ali Aras. I'm here joined by Mystical Might and Phantom Might. Misty, how are you doing? I am doing great and I'm looking forward to another great day of matches. So yeah, let's see what everyone has in store for us. Yeah, and Phantom Might, how are you doing? Really excited. We may be seeing some of these newer ships to EVE Online a lot, but it is good to see something different, you know, in recent years, every year.
01:29:35 Really enjoying that. Yeah, we've seen some wonderful matches last weekend. Last weekend, we got our first teams that are guaranteed to come into the Alliance Tournament. This weekend, we're going to start off our week with the teams that are fighting for their life. So let's just take a look at what we're going to be seeing in our first match of the day, Seriously Suspicious versus Meta Reloaded.
01:30:00 Both of these teams played last week. Seriously, sorry, Serious Suspicious versus No Vacancies. My apologies. Serious Suspicious lost to Meta Reloaded last week. No Vacancies lost to Seeker Matar. Both teams are now in the elimination bracket in their group. These groups are doing a sort of modified double elimination phase. So last week we saw the winners, Meta Reloaded, into the Alliance Tournament. Seeker Matar will be seeing them later today.
01:30:27 Serious Suspicious vs. No Vacancies are going to be the first match up. Let's just take a quick look at what they've banned.
01:30:42 So our first bands of the day, we've got Cenotaph. We've got Magus, Pontifex, Mollus, Zarmazd, and Loki. Some of these bands are looking really familiar from last week. Misty, what do you think about the bands for this one? Yeah, I was just looking back at some of the bands that we saw last week from these teams. The Cenotaph band coming out from Seriously Suspicious here is the same as they decided to band first in their first match. It's interesting that they've gone for the Simitar. Actually, no.
01:31:10 Previously, they would have gone for the Scimitar and the Widow. It's interesting that they've changed away from those bands and switched instead to the Morliss and the Zaam. I think it's perhaps because we've seen more of the Zaam and the Morliss in our matches last weekend. The Widow's only appeared a couple times. Perhaps it's the fact that they've also had to think about what they're likely to come up against when they're going against No Vacancies. And No Vacancies...
01:31:35 Ich glaube nicht, dass sie noch nicht benutzt. Ich glaube, sie haben eine S.H.I.E.V.I.E.V.I.E.V.I.E.V.I.E.V.I.E.V.I.E.V.I.E.V.I.E.V.I.E.V.I.E.V.I.E.V.I.E.V.I.E.V.I.E.V.I.E.V.I.E.V.I.E.V.I.E.V.I.E.V.I.E.V.I.E.V.I.E.V.I.E.V.I.E.V.I.E.V.I.E.V.I.E.V.I.E.V.I.E.V.I.E.V.I.E.V.I.E.V.I.E.V
01:31:43 Yeah, Fandomite, how do you feel about the bans from No Vacancies here? Well, it's interesting to pick, you know, both of the small, in inverted commas, cheap links options and get those booted. You know, perhaps what they want to see is link ships that they can actually track, that they can actually hit really hard with some larger weapons remains to be seen. Yeah, we've seen...
01:32:10 A fair number of Battlecruiser comps last week. We did see a number of folks trying to keep that medium gun spam going with the Battlecruiser core. Maybe they'll be looking for that with the Magus or Ponti. Misty, in this sort of ban set, what kind of thing do you think Seriously Suspicious is trying to set up for? So, I think Seriously Suspicious, at least based on what they flew last time. They brought the triple Navigadon.
01:32:36 das wir schon ein paar Mal gesehen haben. Sie haben nicht so gut gearbeitet, aber es scheint, dass Seriously Suspicious tendt eher zu triple-Battleship-setups. Sie haben einen Element der Kontrolle, und sie haben auch zwei Bombers, ein Purifier und ein Hound. Ich hoffe, dass mit dem Zarm des Zarmes die es sehr schwierig ist, für ein Single-Rep-Focus zu...
01:33:02 Sie können einfach die Navegadon wiederholfen, oder sie können auch für eine andere Art von Battleship-Comp, besonders mit der Cenotaph entfernt. Das bedeutet, dass sie eine Brawl- oder bringen etwas mit viel EHP, wie wir oft sehen, mit Battleships.
01:33:18 Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. And what about the, so might see one of those. Phantomite, do you think we are going to see another mirror from, with that Rapid Heavy comp? I mean, I think it's highly, highly likely. I mean, you know, Rapid Heavies have some serious drawbacks, but, you know, for a short, well FC'd period of time, they can be absolutely devastating in the right hands.
01:33:48 Speaking of the Rapid Heavy comps, for those of you who are just joining us and missed our pre-show, we do have a summary of what we saw last week. So we saw a lot of those Rapid Heavy comps coming in last week, but the number one comp of the Feeders metagame was Rush. So Kingslayer, that's that Rapid Heavy Armageddon EV comp that Misty was talking about.
01:34:15 Okto, das ist die Medium Gunspam komp. Aber Rush ist die Nr. 1 komp von den Feeders. Und ein paar mehr Dinge weiter. Es ist ein viel mehr diverser Metagame als letztes Jahr. Wir hatten einige Veränderungen in den Allianz-Tournamenten-Rules zwischen dem Jahr und dem Jahr, die haben sehr gut für Metagame-Diversity.
01:34:39 But rushing your way through feeders, that has been the historical wisdom of the last several years. It's been the wisdom of this year. Misty, how much rush do you think we're going to see today? I'm expecting that we're going to be seeing rush again this weekend. It hasn't really proven itself to be a bad comp choice for teams to bring. And I know during the pre-show, I mentioned that rush in terms of the execution and the comfort required to fly up.
01:35:07 Ich will sagen, I think Rush ist also somewhat going to benefit from the fact that...
01:35:32 Surgical Strike being reverted means that Rapid Heavy missile launchers are also a bit weaker, because they're more likely to clip before they actually get through a target, which will then give you more time to put out damage with your rush comps, even if you do end up going into like a triple Navy Geddon Rapid Heavy missile setup. Speaking of changes, we have some big changes that are coming up this Tuesday.
01:35:58 I know there's a lot of people who are interested in hearing about what's going to be changing. We're going to be seeing changes in ship and module balance that will certainly affect the Alliance Tournament metagame. So that'll be dropping on Tuesday, but in the middle of this stream, the break at 18.10 EVE time or 18.10 UTC, you will be able to see CCP Kestrel breaking down what's going to be changing. And we can all at that point get to start speculating on how are our comps
01:36:26 Fandemite, ist es etwas you're hoping to see from the changes?
01:36:53 Ideally, I'm actually hoping to see some of the very, very recent T2 Logistics ships extra buffs on top of the, you know, undoing of the resist. I'm hoping to see some of those paired back a little bit, because I feel that, you know, we're seeing, you know, both on a regular tranquility and in a tournament setting, these ships be perhaps a little bit too overpowered.
01:37:22 giving them some crossover with some other, maybe more expensive ships. I think there needs to be a bit of a bigger gap. Yeah, and we've seen a lot of those Tech 2 Logistics ships in this tournament between the wonderful reduction in points and the equally wonderful increase in effectiveness. The Scimitar is back in a very big way. It's in a lot more compositions than we've seen it in last year. And the...
01:37:50 Oneros has been showing up as well. Surprisingly, we've seen a couple of Tech-1 Frigate Logistics, though, in our Triple Battleship comps, whether that be your Armageddon Navy issues or your Triple Dominixes. So yeah, we could, if we saw some Tech-2 Logistics nerfs, that might bring it back down. Maybe Zarmazd would not be pick or ban. We might eventually see people ban something else during the...
01:38:16 Es wird sehr interessant sein. Und ich bin sehr interessiert zu sehen, was diese Teams werden in dieser Upcoming-Match bringen. Wir haben jetzt schon über die Changes gesprochen, aber diese Leute sind in den gleichen Sätzen wie wir vorhin hatten. Sie haben eine ganze Woche zu practice, Zeit für ihre Theorycrafters zu cook, ihre Gamers zu game.
01:38:42 Und sie sind jetzt in der Arena, in der Arena jetzt. So ich werde es über die Arena für Ihre Kommentators, Köln Kurtz und Tianzaharan, zu breaken das Matchdown.
Alliance Tournament 21: Taktische Analysen und Spielverlauf
01:39:01
01:39:01 Thank you, Ali. And you join me, Colonel Kurtz, and my esteemed colleague Tian Zaharin here for this first match of Day 3 of Alliance Tournament 21 between Seriously Suspicious and No Vacancies. Two wormhole groups, usually friends, mostly friends, shall I say. But obviously they're very unlikely to be friends at this moment in time. We see both sides on the grid, raring to go on the red side for Seriously Suspicious.
01:39:28 We see a Raven Navy issue, a couple of Ferox Navy issues, three of them in fact. Osprey double, triple Osprey Navy. There's a lot of triples going on here. And the double and the Vigil Hyena. And what do we see from the blue side, Tian?
01:39:42 On the blue side, we seem to have pretty much a medium gun spam com, so a Shock Doh, Shield Octo, with those two Vultures on the high end, supported by a Scimitar, as a very strong logistics ship. But I just checked on that Raven Navy issue. Those are torpedoes, which is crazy. That is a torpedo Raven Navy issue. Interesting. Everybody loves a torpedo Raven Navy issue. Yeah, absolutely. We're going to see what happens here. As I expect, the Red Team rushes in and tries to maybe get some of those...
01:40:11 Ja, so streaming in at great pace, trying to get hold of some of this Shockto comp.
01:40:29 Try and get some damage down. Veradon in the Ferox Navy taking a decent amount of damage. And at the moment Novak not really responding a huge amount. That Hyena has managed to survive. Its shield's bouncing around a little bit. But it looks like the Osprey of Nateli is keeping him alive. Meanwhile, Abyss now taking some damage in the Osprey Navy. A lot of damage being spread around. It does look like Novak are going to lose a Ferox Navy, which will be a big chunk of their damage. But potentially they're going to trade for two ships if they can get both the Hyena on the Osprey Navy. We'll have to see.
01:40:59 I really like that Osprey Navy call, because those Navy cruises aren't known for their huge tank, and with that, the first Osprey Navy goes down. So I really like that they tried to get rid of those Osprey Navies, but now we also see a lot of damage on the normal Osprey, the Lodgley boat. I'm seriously suspicious. So trading an Osprey Navy issue and the Lodgley for one Ferrox Navy issue is definitely a really good trade here. So, okay, that Ferrox Navy does go down, but now they should be able to break that Hyena and also...
01:41:26 Keep putting out the damage to that Austrian Navy issue of Silent Luke now.
01:41:31 I feel like Sus have put an awful lot of resources in taking that down. That one Navy Ferox issue is the trade for the logistics and one Navy Osprey going to be a good one. We'll have to wait and see. But as we see now with the Osprey Navy of Silent Luke is not long for this world, I should imagine. The Hyena will fall. They'll lose the webs. They'll lose that control. Those torpedoes from that Ravy Navy, as we shall continue to call it, will not apply just as well. As we do see Novak lose a MOA trading. But I think the trades, well, the points say it all. The trade's currently going in the face.
01:42:00 Ja, ich glaube, dass sie jetzt auch die Läden auf die Läden sind. Sie hat das Auschwär-Navy-Issue und das Vistur, die all die Fugger-Painters zu verhindern, die die TPS-Avon-Navy hat. Und jetzt, sie haben eine sehr einfache Zeit, die Läden auf die Läden auf die Läden. Sie sind in der Läden, aber sie sind in der Läden auf die Vistur, aber sie sind in der Läden auf dem Moment und mit 50% Schild. Es ist noch sehr unterstützt, wirklich sehr viel, bei den Scimitar. Sie haben auch ein paar Räden auf den Räden.
01:42:29 Even if they lose that function now, I'm not sure if that will be enough of a DPS reduction, because another Austria-Navy, seriously suspicious, goes down here, and the Ferox-Navy is now also hurting really quickly. I think they can even get that Ferox-Navy down before that first voucher drops, so that would be a really unfortunate trait for seriously suspicious here. Yes, that's backed into a really awkward position. They've got this Raven-Navy issue with its torpedoes that now has no help in applying its missiles, its torpedoes.
01:42:57 Big, big missiles, big explosion radius going to struggle to apply to these smaller ships. So they've got no choice really but to try to go for the Vulture. But at this point in time, the Vulture seems to be holding.
01:43:09 You have to make a decision at this point. Do we try something else? They've got four ships left. They're soon to have three. Do they try and get rid of, say, some of the Jackdaws or something else and leave the Raven to keep piling away on this Vulture? But they're running out of time to make that decision as they're about to lose a Navy Ferox and they don't really seem to be able to break anything else. Bed de Bors, who I believe is the captain for No Vacancies, is doing a great job in the logistics, keeping everything alive. And I think at this point in time, they're very unlikely to break anything else.
01:43:38 It does seem like they have hurt you, because immediately we see some damage on those jackdaws, but as soon as they noticed they were getting attacked, they probably just switched to their defensive mode, and now they can really easily tank under those scimitaria ramps. And the Vulture is now also slowly just here degenerating their shields, so even if they switch from the jackdaws back to that Vulture, I won't think they can break anything more, especially with now another Ferox Navy getting into really low shields. The GF and Loka, I think it's clear that this match is wrong.
01:44:07 I'm not really sure if that call for Raven-Navy issue was so good on the seriously suspicious side, especially fitting it with torpedoes. That's a lot of points, 38 points, that's as much points as the Senate have, I think. So I'm not sure if that was really the best call on their part there to bring that Raven-Navy issue. I think they could have used those points in a more effective way. Yeah, I think it's a big gamble, really, to bring...
01:44:35 So, you know, if you lose to a team like that.
01:44:59 Ich weiß, dass sie nichts zu schämen. Und sie haben das Gefühl, dass Novak die Möglichkeit hat, um gute Teams zu nehmen. Suss hat eine gute Leistung gemacht. Ich weiß, Jan X ist ein guter Spieler, guter Erfahrung.
01:45:13 Das war's für die nächsten Mal.
01:45:42 Ja, ich würde sagen, mit dem. Ich denke, sie hat... sie hat... sie hat sehr gut hier. Ich denke, sie hat noch das Navey Pair of Stein in den Beginn, aber es war wirklich nicht der beste Match-up für sie. Der Navey-Navey-Issue war quasi worthless, weil bevor es in den da und verwendet wurde, die Vigil und Hyena waren bereits down, so die Applikation got reduced drastically. So in der Ende, es war ein großer Buffer mit viel non-appliable DPS.
01:46:13 Mit dem, Seriously Suspicious follows Snuffed, mit dem Eliminativen von den Feeders und der Allianz Tournament. Und ich denke, wir können sie zurückkommen zur Analyse. Oh, das ist spannend. Oh, das ist spannend. Okay, richtig. Oh, das ist interessant.
Alliance Tournament 21: Nachbetrachtung des Matches und Strategie-Analyse
01:47:34
01:47:34 Alright, welcome back everyone. That was quite the match between Serious and Suspicious and No Vacancies. No Vacancies, they have survived to fight against Seeker Matar for the last slot in their group in the Alliance Tournament. Serious and Suspicious, kudos to them for making the effort, but they will be going home in feeders. Our second team to go home in feeders. We saw Snuffed Out be Snuffed Out last week.
01:48:02 They are joined by Seriously Suspicious. Next up, we have a banger match between White Squall and Road Capel. But before we talk about that, let's talk about what we just saw there. So, Phantomite, tell me about the Seriously Suspicious comp. What were they, what does it seem like they were trying to do there? Well, when I saw their loadout of ships as they hit the grid, I had a sort of voice in the back of my head saying,
01:48:31 It feels like these guys have had to last minute substitute something. Now obviously I'm not sure what they didn't bring, but it could have had something to do with the bans perhaps in that one there. I don't feel that they were too weak in any, like hugely weak in any particular area of their comp, you know. They had their webs and application in their...
01:48:56 in their frigates, in their vigil and their hyena. And, you know, they had a ship that benefits hugely from having its available targets be webbed and painted. But it very did much feel to me, if I was going to take a guess, that it wasn't exactly what they wanted to bring in the first place.
01:49:19 Yeah, that seems like it could be. Misty, you were talking in the chat about the Torpedo Raven Navy issue. Was that a reasonable... How did the ranges on that work with the rest of the comp there? Yeah, so the first thing to point out about the Raven Navy issue is that of all of the Navy battleships that you can bring, I believe it is the cheapest at 38 points. So it's not...
01:49:47 ein paar Punkte aus Ihrer Comp zu bringen. Und die andere interessante Sache ist, dass ich glaube, am Anfang des Matches gesehen haben wir ein paar Missile Guidance Computer-Effekt kommen aus der Raven-Navy. Also habe ich entschieden, was Raven-Navy könnte aussehen, mit einem Single Guidance Computer und einem Single Guidance Enhancer in den Lows geben, mit viel Platz für 3 BCUs, Damage Control und all das andere Sachen. Man kann bis zu 60 Kilometern mit einem Faktion Torpedo-Setup, so Kardari-Navy-Mihono, zum Beispiel.
01:50:16 um doing about 950 dps or 7.5k volley or you can hit out to almost 90 kilometers with javelin so even though it was torpedo fit it doesn't mean that it was limited in range and the raven navy issue does get a max missile velocity bonus per level i do find it strange that with the additional range that the raven navy gets with the fact that they have the osprey navy issues that can move very quickly
01:50:43 Und mit dem Fakt, dass sie auch die Railships haben, die können in fairer Weise ausgehen können, dass sie einfach nur die Scimitar genommen haben. Ich fühle mich, wenn sie die Scimitar entfernt haben, dann hätte sie eine bessere Chance gewonnen haben, weil sie vielleicht besser die Battleship-Battleship-Range haben können, um die Weaker EAM-Holle zu haben, die Vulture und Co. haben, die Vulture und Co. haben.
01:51:12 um them for the phantasms but also um kin them for the cultures so i don't know i think with a different execution change they could have won easier said than done applying to a scimitar these days though isn't it you say that you say that but easier said than done would be just ramming your three osprey navy issues through their entire lack of tackle and then sitting on the scimitar which is instead they decided to sit on the ferrox navy issue which was at the very front of that that team's comp and trade
01:51:40 Their Logi and Osprey Navy issue for it. It almost looked like it was going to work for them. Almost. Yeah, we did see quite a difference in targeting strategy between the two teams where you have the serious and suspicious attempt on the Ferex Navy issue versus the no vacancies sort of more bottom-up approach. Go for the low end, go for the small ships. Fandomite, which one would you favor in a matchup like this?
01:52:10 Sorry, repeat that last part. Just which, you know, target calling. I was reading Twitch chat. Ah, yeah, yeah. That'll get you every time. Twitch chat, they've already got the Mademoiselles out. They're getting ready for the road capel. And it appears Fleet's going to be going. I don't think they listened to CCP Jotun's comments on chat spam in our wonderful pre-show.
01:52:36 But I was just wondering if you could speak for a minute on target calling in a mirror like that. Well...
01:52:44 It looked like their vacancies did a very good initial call because they got that hyena almost to Hull almost immediately. However, it lived. It didn't work out for them. However, I think it was still the right call for them to attempt to go for that. They had a chance to, within a few seconds, eliminate a huge amount of assistance, a huge amount of application assistance there.
01:53:12 Es war nicht gut für sie. Ich glaube, es war die richtige Sache für sie zu tun. Und nach dem, natürlich, sie zurückgegangen sind. Sie haben sich auf die Führung auf die Führung des Spiels, die noch nicht die meisten hitpunkte und die meisten damage hatten. Aber es ist eine sehr wichtige Sache, die du in die Führung wirst, und das ist, machen eine Form von Progresse. No matter, you know, wie hart du bist in die Führung. Du willst eine Form von Progresse.
01:53:39 so that you get something done, even if it's not what you want to do immediately. Exactly. And I think they did very well. Yeah, and with that, let's move on to the Mademoiselles. We have Rote Capel versus White Squall, and this is going to be a very exciting match. This group was a group with a number of...
Alliance Tournament 21: Vorschau auf das nächste Match und Bann-Analyse
01:54:03
01:54:03 Killed teams, Barcode, already into the Alliance Tournament. They have been a top team for a long time. But Whitesquall and Rotkapel both lost their first match. Whitesquall got rushed down by UA Fleets, while Rotkapel fell to Barcode. Rotkapel this year is both the Rotkapel squad that we've seen for years and years and years, as well as some folks from Templis Calcif, who did not field a team this year and instead came in with...
01:54:32 We saw them in the Alliance Tournament last year. Both of these teams were, I believe, Prize Ship Enjoyers last year. And now one of them will be a Feeder Skins Enjoyer. So they've got some bans. We see Arbitrator, Armageddon Navy Issue banned for this, Hyena, Dominix, Raven Navy Issue, and Zarmazd. Misty, tell me about these bans.
01:55:00 Ja, so just taking a look at these bands, I find it interesting that...
01:55:07 We've been seeing E-Wall ships being banned out, but not like a wide selection of them. So you'll see the Arbitrator ban come in, but then you'll still have the Cursed, the Pilgrim, Crucifiers, Sentinels all open to be brought in the case that they still want to bring Tracking Disruptors and they have a comp that can fit those ships in quite easily. Not saying that's the case. I mean, with the individual point attributations to different ships, it may be harder to replace the Arbitrator.
01:55:34 mit einer Tracking-Disrupting-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship-Ship
01:56:04 But I don't think that White Squall is feeling that comfortable flying into the Dominics is, and it seems like they think that they will struggle against another Triple Raven Navy issue. So very targeted bans coming out from White Squall based on what has been flown last weekend and what they themselves have had to face. Phantomite, what do you think of these bans? In particular, what about that Armageddon Navy issue ban?
01:56:26 Well, you know, perhaps they are scared of being applied to, but to be honest, it looks like both teams are scared of being, scared of having their application removed as well. We've got ships in here that are, you know, application focused. We've got ships in here that are anti-application focused. Overall, you know, away from the bans, what I'm, you know, really, you know, thinking is going to be one of Roque Capel's biggest.
01:56:55 ist, dass sie ihre age sind. Sie können sie 10 Minuten dauern, ohne sie zu nehmen, oder sie zu nehmen, ihre 5te Freude zu gehen, um die Toilette zu gehen?
01:57:08 So, it's a real tough question. You know, time does come for us all. You know, storied teams building up a storied history. Misty, I think you had one thing you wanted to add here. I was just going to say that Rocapel have changed their ban from last weekend. The Armageddon Navy issue ban is the same. The Zarm ban is the same, in that same exact order. But instead of the Typhoon Fleet issue that they banned last weekend, they've decided to ban the Hyena.
01:57:36 Das ist interessant, weil sie wollen, dass sie einen Lower-Enden-Fast-Catch wollen wollen. Sie können Kite oder haben eine Rush-Setup, dass sie nicht mit den Hyänern schreien. Es gibt zwei verschiedene Möglichkeiten, aber es scheint, dass die Hyänerin eine Integral-Band zu dem Setup wollen.
01:57:55 Hyenas, actually, that one, as you're talking, sort of jumped out at me. I did a bunch of metagame data crawling between last week and this week for the show that we did prior to this one. And the Hyena is actually pretty key in that Triple Typhoon setup that we've been seeing, where you've got three Cruise Typhoon fleet issues, and then you have application bonuses.
01:58:22 Maybe a little bit of a sort of stealth ban there, trying to just, you know, take the top off another strong comp that we've been seeing. With this particular ban set, we've got sort of one ship from most of the comps that we've seen last weekend, plus, you know, old standby of the Zarmazd. One ship I don't see in our ban line is the Cenotaph. Phantomite...
01:58:50 Do you think we're going to see a Cenotaph on-grid, or are both teams just going to ignore it? I'm going to put all 950 of my channel points, if I could, on the idea that there will be at least one Cenotaph on the field today. Right now.
01:59:06 All right, yeah, and we don't, you know, this is a completely blind thing. The teams are not on Grid yet. We are still yapping and still speculating. So all of us are in the dark. Misty, do you think we're going to be Cenotaph gaming today? I agree that we might see a Cenotaph. I hope, I'd put my points on the fact that the Cenotaph will probably just get kited. Or it's going to fly into like triple battleships and have the best time of its life. Or like a Rush Mirror.
01:59:36 Aber ich hoffe, dass es um die Arena einfach nur um, und macht es keinen Schmerz, und einfach nur um, um, und einfach nur um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um
02:00:02 Are you sure they're ball-shaped? I'm fairly sure they are. It's one of those little Velcro things that you used to have when you were a kid. You got Velcro and wiffle balls. So it doesn't hurt, it just sticks to someone, right? That's kind of what it is. Although I have seen both teams have landed on Grid, and we are seeing a ship that we saw last week that was very exciting.
02:00:31 So I'll hand it over to the commentators in the arena to tell you about this match.
Whitesquall vs. Röde Kapel: Analyse des Matches
02:00:41
02:00:41 Hallo, mein Name ist Tien Zaharin und ich bin Colonel Kurz und wir haben eine sehr interessante match hier, Whitesquall vs. Röde Kapel. Und, oh, wait a second, da ist es jetzt die letzte Chip of Whitesquall, hier auf Grit. Wir haben eine sehr interessante, ich würde sagen, mirror-match hier, mit Otto-Kanon-Rash vs. Otto-Kanon-Rash und Whitesquall bringen die Fall-Offs, während Röde Kapel hat die Cenotaph, so wir sehen die Battle of the Deathless ships, das wird sehr interessant sein.
02:01:11 Cinnables suck, unless you bring them in numbers. Both sides with the double Cinnables that can only mean good things. Can they turn Cinnables into winnables? We will have to wait and see. These two gun rushes with that Senosaf thrown in for a bit of flavour, about to crash head on. Both teams warping in, one side going in at 0, one going in at 10km. There is going to be some hatred flying very quickly in both directions. Slight tweaks, obviously, with these two rush setups, the Seno and the Boll.
02:01:41 Will the extra huge amount of damage make a difference in a rush-on-rush setup? We have eight seconds. We're going to find out.
02:01:49 Ja, die Bombe-Skarte werden wirklich eine große Herausforderung machen, besonders weil sie so gut positioniert sind, auf dem Baselisk zu bleiben. Wir sehen, wir sehen, dass die Dots applied, der Mache ist auf der Weg. Wir sehen, dass das Sleipnir auf Aura und Rockwell ist, so viel damage. Wir sehen aber auch damage auf Tigerpron, die andere Sleipnir sind. Wir sehen, dass die Sleipnir die Sleipnir von den Sleipnir sind. Wir sehen, dass die Sleipnir die Sleipnir von den Sleipnir sind. Wir sehen, dass die Sleipnir die Sleipnir von den Sleipnir sind. Wir sehen, dass die Sleipnir die Sleipnir von den Sleipnir von den Sleipnir sind.
02:02:18 So, es ist ein Lodziger Pressure während der Sleipnir. Und jetzt der Sleipnir, der zweite Sleipnir ist, dass der Sleipnir auf die Sleipnir ist. Die Sleipnir ist auf die Sleipnir auf die Sleipnir auf die Sleipnir auf die Sleipnir. Also, die Sleipnir ist auf die Sleipnir auf die Sleipnir.
02:02:30 At the moment, it looks like Rote winning the Battle Wars, that first Sleipnir of Tiger, is taking a lot of damage. This is going to come a lot down to whether these two ships can spread their dots across the other teams. As we see the first Sleipnir go down, if they can spread their dots from these two, the Tholos and the Cenotaph, across these ships, they're going to cause chaos for those logistics cruisers. Sorry, the Scalpels and the logistics cruisers. At the moment, that Sleipnir of Aurora Orkel is just about clinging on. As the second Sleipnir for White Squaw...
02:02:59 Das Baselisk wird wohl gewinnen für Röck-Koppel, wenn sie das Slepnir bleiben können.
02:03:07 Es ist verrückt, wie Ororokul ist tanken, auslöblich zwei Sleipniers-Buddies, bevor es endlich geht. Und jetzt sieht man die Cenotaph, wir sieht man die 2nd Sleipnir, aber das Dazzelisk ist still alive und stellt die Lodgie, während der Scalpel von White Skull ist zufrieden. Und all die High Ends, all die Cinnabels, Brotswörl, Sleipnir, sind alle sehr starker damage von der Cinnabels, mit der Cinnabels jetzt dying. Und dann sieht man die Scalpel, und jetzt sieht man viel damage.
02:03:35 Also, which is probably going to be the next one to die, while the Sleipnir of Hit is still fine, and so is the Cinnabell of Devon, Pink, and Antiphasilisk is still just untouched, not moving, just sitting there, putting out all the logy. Another Sleipnir goes down, that's crazy snowball.
02:03:50 I think this choice of going for this Basilisk has been the real winner and an excellent performance from Rima, the captain for Rote in the Basilisk. You'll probably see in the middle of the arena at the moment, there's just this massive Thunderdome brawl as all these ships are piling on top of each other. But sat off to the side, unmolested, are the two stealth bombers and Rima in the Basilisk. Being able to put down those reps without getting any damage, no tackle, nothing as the Thunderdome continues in the middle, has meant that Rote has been able to put out those incredible reps from those Basilisks.
02:04:19 Aurora Rorkel und Selepdi alive for such a long time that they were able to cleave off most of the damage from Whitesquall and just clean up the match. I think Comp Selection here has definitely won them the match overall. You know, this could have gone either way with two gun rushes going head-to-head. But with that Roque Capel take the win, Whitesquall sadly eliminated from the tournament. Sad to see them go, but a great performance from them. And with that, we will send it back to the desk.
02:04:49 Aber ich will dir was, diese Leute von Slow haben ein paar Cojones. Sie haben ein bisschen Hutzpah in der Zeit. Das ist ein Pro-Gamer-Gamer-Move. Wir können diese Gespräche sehr kurz machen, indem wir über was funktioniert. Ja, was funktioniert nicht, ist auch wichtig, weil wir können uns nicht weitergehen können. Er hat nicht gesagt. Nein, ich habe nicht gesagt. Weil nichts funktioniert.
Diskussion über Strategien und Schiffe im Alliance Tournament
02:05:50
02:05:50 Welcome back to the desk. That was quite the brawl. Both teams, no cowardice allowed, warping at zero, no running away, no kiting, none of this BS, just damage directly on the enemy hull. We did, in fact, see a Cenotaph. We had Cenotaph Gaming from Rootkapel. No Cenotaph Gaming from Whitesquall.
02:06:17 which may ultimately have spelled their doom. Misty, I know we've been watching the Seno Pilots and watching how well the dots were being applied. How was the Rote Capel Cenotaph in that match? Oh, I think that the Rote Capel Cenotaph did an excellent job of spreading the love around the arena and getting those dots off on the various Slepnirs and Sinopols that were in range. At one point in the match, we saw that
02:06:46 Die Wight Squad team war in Half-Shields. Das ist eigentlich wirklich wichtig. Die zwei Schweepels, ich habe eine Screenshot von dem Analyse Channel, die wir im Hintergrund haben. Die zwei Schweepels waren auf der Skalpel gesetzt, um die Schalpel zu dem Schalpel zu erzeugen. Aber wenn die Schalpel ist, die Schalpel zu erzeugen, dann ist es nicht able, die Schalpel zu erzeugen. Und dann hat die Schalpel das Schalpel zu erzeugen. Und dann haben wir das Schalpel wirklich durchgeführt. Und wir sahen die Wight Squad team die in etwa 10 Sekunden.
02:07:15 So I think that was a very, very good use of the Cenotaph. But overall, I think it was just a very nicely designed comp as well in that particular case. And it makes sense why they wanted to remove the hyena when we were looking at the bands before. Yeah, absolutely. You don't want your sweepers to get webbed off. You don't want anything to get webbed off. You want to go directly. You don't want your Cenotaph to get webbed off. Everything directly at zero.
02:07:39 One of the ships that we saw in that match was a ship that we saw last week as well. It was a standout. White Squall might not have brought the correct number though. So last week, we've seen the signable in the Alliance Tournament. It has not historically performed as well as it has this week, as it has in this tournament. There was much more of it back in Alliance Tournament 18, or 17, yeah, anyway.
02:08:08 ...much, much more of it in the past. This tournament, though, there's more, and the number of signables is a key metric that we noted last week. Last week we noted that the correct number of signables in your comp for victory was three. This time, both teams, they only brought two. Now, two signables and a Cenotaph, that adds up to a lot. Two signables and no Cenotaph apparently adds up to...
02:08:36 So, condolences to Whitesquall. They are out of the tournament. They will be exiting in feeders. And Rotkapel will have to play one more match. We'll see them later on as we see them fight for their slot in the Alliance tournament. Now, both teams brought a very similar setup. We had one team with the double frigate logistics and one team...
02:09:02 mit der Baselisk. Phantomite, welche Option du preferierst hier? Brief. Das Baselisk wirklich showed was es capable of. Vielleicht die Sleipnir nicht die richtige Sache für sie zu haben, wenn es ein Baselisk auf der Field ist, weil das Sleipnir ist zu werden.
02:09:25 hier. Es wird ein großes Schild von der Lodgie bekommen. Es wird ein großes Schild von der Lodgie bekommen. Es wird ein großes Schild von der Schild-Booster als auch. Das Schild-Booster ist auch. Das Schild-Booster ist auch. Slepnir hat nicht die besten Resisten in der Welt. In fact, ein Schild-Booster mit einem Schild-Booster ist ein sehr guter Schild, das Schild-Booster für Schild-Booster ist. Es hat nicht eine sehr starken Explosive, und wenn diese Leute bringen all diese Schild-Booster zu zero, dann...
02:09:53 You know, it's not unlikely to see a Sleipnir using triple gyro stabs and a bunch of hail in its autocannons. So, you know, the rote Sleipnir that got prime read was visibly taking vast amounts of damage and visibly repping back vast amounts of shield. And, you know, when you're using a basilisk...
02:10:19 It's just not something that FrigateLogy can even come close to replicating.
02:10:26 Ja, und es ist, die Slepnir, bei der Wähe, ist ein sehr, sehr popularer Ship. Wir haben es dieses Jahr, wir haben es letztes Jahr, wir haben es durch die ganze Geschichte der Allianz Tournament. In fact, es hat sich gemacht, Jahr über Jahr, Jahr über Jahr. Es hat ein bisschen mehr von einem Moment in Allianz Tournament 12, 13, 14. Misty, do you want to talk at all about some of the history of this Ship? Ich meine, die Slepnir hat sich...
02:10:55 Es war sehr stark in previous tournaments, especially in, well, you have your typical Mimitar Rush setup. That's really the first idea or thought that comes to mind when we talk about Rush. And it's the standard old Mimitar Rush setups, which would burn in. I think they were probably most successful when the T3 Destroyers were released and the Sweeper were super strong, because it could pump out incredible amounts of damage as well at the same time. Don't remind me. Yeah.
02:11:23 Ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja,
02:11:52 mit dem Gradual buffen zu vielen verschiedenen Shippen, mit den effektiven Combat-Ranges, so dass sie eigentlich able to head out zu, wo Slepner ist, wenn es decide to kite. So, du hast Rails jetzt mit den F&I, du hast die Brudix-Navia-Shoes, du hast Beam-Buffs,
02:12:10 You've got the better cruise missile platforms that we have now. You've got Rapid Heavy Missile Launchers. You have the Armageddon Navy issue with the extended Newt range. The Armageddon with the better Newt range. There's a lot that's changed, which has seen, I think, this let me fall out of favor. Not least the fact that Nighthawks have also been buffed with hams and all that kind of stuff. Meaning that this is all going to loop back. You're going to see where I'm going with this. Nighthawks get bonus damage to...
02:12:36 Kinetic Missiles, right? So in a Ham Rush versus a Sleipnir Rush, the Sleipnir usually comes off a little bit worse for wear because it has a large kinetic hole in its shield. What we saw in the previous comp brought, we didn't see any Nighthawks, but we did see two Manticores in the lower end, which are bonus for kinetic damage to torpedoes, which will apply very well to battlecruiser holes that are just sitting still and basically not really moving. They're fairly big, they're shield strips, so they're going to have a large signature.
02:13:05 So, yeah, I think that was also one of the interesting points that we saw from the comp alongside the Basilisk and the Seners after. Absolutely, and it was quite successful for Roque Pell. With that victory, by the way, in this feeder tournament, we're not playing for the ships yet. Those will only be awarded to the top 16 teams in the main tournament. However, teams that win in this tournament are getting skins.
02:13:31 Und diese Skins sind großartig. Sie sind großartig. Sie sind spezifisch zu den Allianz Tournament. Und wir sehen die beautifulen Skins auf die Kaldari-Ships, die Sponsors von Allianz Tournament 21. Und so, Teams Winning auf das will das. Das ist auch warum wir uns auf der Desk sprechen, oder in der Cast, manchmal, über eine Skins-Run.
02:13:55 Because you see in the bracket system, the teams that are already in the Alliance Tournament, they don't have to play this weekend. All of them are watching in Twitch chat, cheering their friends on. But other folks, such as Rote Capel in this match, will be playing many more matches in the feeders, which is, of course, many more opportunities to win skins. So if you want to maximize the payout for your team, try losing your first match in feeders and winning through the rest of the way.
02:14:25 This may have side effects such as increased alcohol consumption, stress levels, etc., etc. But, you know, it's all for the sweet, sweet skins. In terms of skins, we have other teams making their skin runs now. Next up will be Minmatar Fleet Alliance versus Portal Pirates. Both have fallen in the first round. The winner of this match will face Standard Protocol later in this weekend.
02:14:52 Let's take a look at the bands for both teams.
02:14:58 So, we have Karies, Celestis, Loki, there's the Cenotaph, there's the Zarmazd, and finally the Golem. Phantomite, what do you think of these bands? Neither team wants to be damped out today. You know, perhaps we're going to see something not so close range for the first time today, or at least a team that doesn't want to be particularly close range first time today. However...
02:15:26 Manning the Cenotaph kind of throws my prediction there straight into the toilet. Because, you know, that would imply that, you know, they want to be close. Not exactly sure what range we're going to see people fighting at with this one here. But damps, of course, are still useful, even if both teams are brawling it out. You know, you might want to damp somebody down that they can't even lock within 10 kilometers, that kind of thing.
02:15:53 We have seen a lot of Cenobans. It could be that this is just trend following. All the cool kids are doing it, so we're just going to ban the Cenotaph as well. Misty, what do you think?
02:16:05 Ich denke, die Portal Pirates waren die Team der Barbaroga-Ikitaser set-up letzten Wochenende. Es warnt 100, wurde auf 0. Splat! Die Set-up gegen die Cenotaph-Rush, die sie in. Sehr unfortunate. Wir haben Mimotor-Fleet-Alliance. Die drei Golems letzten Wochenende. Und dann eine von ihnen nicht auf den Shield-Booster oder die durch Raw DPS. Unsure, which...
02:16:35 Ich denke, dass sie nicht auf der Shield-Booster sind, weil es funnier ist. Es ist interessant, dass Bans kamen, dass Bans parten von den Kampen von beiden Seiten. Mimotor-Fleet-Alliance-Ban und die Karies tatsächlich machte die Portal Pirates' Barbaroga-Kamp ein bisschen, weil sie die Karies bringen, aber okay. Und die Golem, natürlich, wurde von der Mimotor-Fleet-Alliance-Fleet. Ich hoffe, dass wir sehen, Brawling. Es wird nur noch eine Rache, dass wir sehen, in der nächsten Match.
02:17:05 Ja, in Rush, again, it's been a very popular choice throughout the feeders. We've seen it already today. I expect we'll be seeing it a lot more. And both teams could do it. With Portal Pirates, it'll be interesting to see if they have a similar setup to last time, trying to make the most of ships with fewer people on grid than normal.
02:17:29 Um, for the answers to those questions, though, we will send it to the Arena, where Colonel Kurtz and Tianza Haran will break down this match.
Mimitar Fleet Alliance vs. Portal Pirates: Analyse und Diskussion
02:17:40
02:17:40 Hello once more, you join me Colonel Kurtz of Tien Saharim for another match here in AT21. And as per usual, we've got an interesting one for you. A Mimitar Fleet Alliance against Portal Pirates. You will notice Portal Pirates only bringing seven pilots and not using up all of their points. 21 points automatically awarded to Mimitar Fleet Alliance because they haven't used them all. Portal Pirates electing to bring a Scimitar. Triple Fleet Hurricane and Triple Orthorus warping in at maximum range. Likely a fly killer, long range setup, hoping...
02:18:10 Wir sehen uns auf die Reden, Tien? Auf der Reden, wir sehen uns noch ein Racket-Heavy-Battleship-Core. Die Triple Armageddon-Navy-Ish-Use, Kingslayer-Comp. Die werden viel damage geben, und sie haben viel range. Ich denke, das wird ein viel für Portal Pirates sein. Aber sehen Sie das Deacon da in der Mitte? Das ist ein Wrong-Warpon, weil die Deacon wäre auf 0? So vielleicht kann die Portal Pirates sein.
02:18:37 Mit den größten Respekt zu Portal Pirates, ihre Optionen sind ziemlich limited, mit den Schiffen sie auf dem Feld haben. Aber wenn es eine Sache sie kann, dann ist es die Deacons. Und vielleicht die Purifiers auch. Sie haben viel Long-Range, Light-Heavy Missile Damage. Heavy Missile Damage, Light Missile Damage.
02:18:59 Und sie haben sie zu haben, es hat sich die einzige Option für sie zu machen. Geht riden von den Justic Frigates, geht riden von den Purifiers und hoffentlich lower die Damage genug, damit Symmetar kann die Schicksal alive sein. Aber es scheint, dass die Plan ist schon wiederum. Sykom in den Deacon verurschreiten, die Initial Volley verurschreiten, während Devil's Hill in den Orthruschreiten in den Orthruschreiten ist. Und als ein Orthruschreiten will wissen, Armour damage tends zu sein, ziemlich bad news für Sie.
02:19:28 Now we're switching on to Animo-Ni in the Ashimu, well Portal Pirates that is, trying to get rid of those long-range webs because their second Ultras, 32026030, and his Ultras is already webbed down and gonna be the next target after Devil's Hill is already down here. That Ashimu is taking a lot of damage, it's gonna be interesting to see if they can actually break through it before those Ultras' clip, and the Hurricane Fleets don't have the damage to break through the Deacon Reps, as 3-0, I'm not gonna say that name again, dies.
02:19:56 Ich denke, es sind jetzt fünf Pilots und sie sind jetzt mehr und mehr hier. Ja, es ist nicht gut. Und wenn wir alle ganz ehrlich sind, ich glaube, es war nicht gut aus dem Beginn. Ich kann mich nicht vorstellen, dass ein Team wirklich sehr gut war, ohne den vollen Kompliment von zehn Pilots oder mehr in den letzten Jahrzehnten. Du wirst nicht so gut spielen gegen eine vollen Team von zehn Plänen, sogar wenn du all die Punkte benutzt hast, die Portal Pirates nicht.
02:20:23 You're still going to struggle. Ten brains is always going to be better than less than ten brains. But important not to take anything away from Portal Pirates. They've obviously got some issues getting hold of players. They are doing a fairly good job in putting some pressure. They are kiting well now. They've managed to get away and they're burning. Nobody tackled down. Sandwich is taking a little bit of newting power from one of these Armageddons. But, you know, they're kiting and they're getting the basics down. And that's all that we can ask for at this point in time. Keep kiting, stay alive, pressure some damage and see what happens. You never know.
02:20:53 I also really like how they keep switching targets. They are now onto that Dragoon of Simo after shooting the Pontifex for a bit, and they might be able to break this Dragoon and get him down. It's very interesting. I think that's the very first Dragoon you'll ever see in the Lion's Tournament, but it goes down, so Portugal Pirates will not lose this match without getting any points. Their Authress of Ciaran is now really suffering. Sorry, I put that name wrong. Oh, that's right, okay. So, that's going to be another bunch of DPS lost, but they are shooting that Magus now.
02:21:20 Ich denke, dass Auflöss ist die Exile ASP-Charges hier, mit der Scimitarre Rep, so es wird ein bisschen länger sein. Die Hurricane-Feed of Sandwich also takes some damage, aber sie sind, aber sie sind, und ich muss das, weil sie sind, dass sie ihre Kite, und wirklich, dass sie weg sind, aber der Hashimow ist jetzt nah, und ich denke, Sandwich ist Kettle down, so ich glaube, ich denke, ihr könnt das für sehr lange survive. Ja, ich denke, wie ich gesagt habe, Portal hat eine sehr gute Arbeit gemacht.
02:21:49 They're now quite spread out and it's all a bit of a disarray, but they've not executed terribly.
02:21:55 Given the circumstances, they've done better than I was initially expecting when I saw them land on Grid. So props to them for giving it a go, props to them for putting their hat in the arena and having a go at the Alliance Tournament, even if they were potentially struggling for members. The AT is an experience like no other in EVE Online. You're not going to get that adrenaline anywhere else, and it is a lot of fun. I would encourage lots of other new teams next year to have a go, even if you might not think you're going to win the thing. You are still going to have an awful lot of fun, and you get to...
02:22:24 be on the screen and die in a big ball of fire like these guys are. So that's great fun. So Portal Pirates down to their last three ships, kiting around, trying to stay alive as they can. Mimitar Fleet Alliance chasing them down at a fairly leisurely pace, to be honest. They're just keeping up with them and slowly picking them off. They're in no rush. They've got a full five minutes to clean them up and catch these fairly fast ships and take the win. And with that win, Mimitar Fleet Alliance will send Portal Pirates out of the tournament. Again, sad to see them go. Thank you very much for taking part.
02:22:54 Maybe next year they'll have some more success if they can get a couple of extra people, put the full 10 on the grid and see what they're truly capable of.
02:23:02 Yeah, I would agree with that. I like how they are still, they really know what they have to do to win this. They, well, win, I don't know, but at least get the moral victory. They got their five points down with that Dragoon, and they still try to just switch around the target, see, make those deacons really work, and switch around. They almost got that Purifier at some point. They almost got Pontifex as well. Okay, another Hurricane Fleet issue now drops. It's just the Althra's Emphysimeter against the world, but...
02:23:30 I really have to point out my respects here for trying this and just keeping it up. I think from the beginning it was clear that they were not going to win this match, especially not with those navy amageddons really being able to project over the whole field. Maybe against some different full-on brawl comp, like against a rush, they might have had a chance if they could be able to outkite them, but with that full complement they don't really have any way of screening, so I think they played it the best they could.
02:23:57 Ich liebe es. Ich liebe es, wie sie versuchen.
02:24:01 Ja, no free lunches handed out today. They weren't going to give this one away easily, and they've put in a good showing. Mimitar Fleet Alliance, when I spoke to them just before the tournament started off, they said that last year they failed to kill a single ship, and they were hoping to beat their record, and you'd be glad to know they have beaten their record, did manage to kill a number of ships in their last match. They did lose their last match to Psycho Kids, and brought a fairly interesting triple Golem setup, which is why we saw the Golem ban come out from Portal Pirates.
02:24:31 Es ist sehr schön, dass sie mehr konventionell komps in der Locker haben. Und sie haben versucht, die Triple Armageddon Navies zu bringen und in eine gute Leistung zu bringen. Und ich denke, dass sie mehr was sie sind, als das Triple Golem-Setup, das nicht so gut war. Aber ja, ein guter Show von ihnen, ein guter Victory, aber ich hoffe, so gegen einen unterstaffenden Team.
02:24:53 Ja, wir jetzt noch sehen das Scimitar, der sich auf den All-Thruss-Buddy zu retten. Er war also auf den MJD-Budden. Er hat sich gedacht, dass er zu MJD aus dem Weg ist. Aber was ist das Problem? Wenn du in deinem Lodgly-Ship bist, dass das All-Thruss-Budden jetzt schon ein Scimitar mit Lodgly-Jones ist. Das Attack-Bar ist komplett weggegangen. Das ist nicht mehr da.
02:25:18 Oh, now it's just a race against time, the scimitarre is now tackled. I think he might be trying to go for the banjee, like a banjee of honour. 110 kilometres, he's not far off it. Yeah.
02:25:29 He's going to long it out and try and go for the boundary. I'm sure the yappers on the desk will be quite pleased that he's managed to give them a little bit more time to breathe before they've got to start talking again. But there we have it. Scimitar goes down. Portal Pirates sadly crash out of the tournament. Mimitar Fleet Alliance take the victory 200 to 5. And with that, we shall send it back to the desk. Mommy, when I grow up, I want to fly spaceships and go pew, pew, pew.
02:26:49 Welcome back from that match. Thank you very much to Colonel Kurtz and Tianza Harn, and thank you very much to Portal Pirates for again coming in and continuing to game. I will be the first to start some Reddit fire and accuse Fleet of blobbing. They are ruining the warzone by blobbing innocent teams out of the Alliance Tournament, and will be forced to...
02:27:16 quite honorably in their next match. No, I heard. I heard that they actually contacted Fleet and said, hey, do you want a 7v7 at the Sun? And, you know, just shameless. Shameless. Yeah, yeah. The Scimitar was heading for the Sun, was attempting to make that rendezvous and exited the arena and found the Edge of Glory instead. It's actually quite nice when you're flying in the arena as you approach the boundary, there's a little, like...
02:27:45 Und so the scimitar got to see that red bubble of impending doom just prior to the ship exploding. But speaking of ships, we did see a very unusual ship from Fleet in that match, the Dragoon. We do not see Dragoons in the Alliance Tournament very much. This one from Fleet is one of only nine Dragoons.
02:28:10 FANTOMITE, wie die Dragoon die?
02:28:36 Sometimes we just go ahead and we nominate somebody to die so that the battle report can be complete. Because, you know, I mean, definitely on this one, they simply got every single kill. But if you risk not getting every single one of your enemy, you still want them to show on the battle report to show that, you know, there are a lot more there than it looks like. So maybe they were a sacrifice for that, or perhaps it was a sacrifice just for honor. Maybe they felt that, you know.
02:29:05 The other team, they tried the best with what they had. They wanted to give them something, a little memory to take home. Yeah, this Dragoon fed for the BR. And in this particular moment with the blobbing, it's really important that you make the BR as even as possible. You really wouldn't want it to look like you blobbed any harder than you did. Misty, that was one...
02:29:32 of the Kingslayer compositions from Minimitar Fleet Alliance with Armageddon Navy issues. Any notes on their comp choice? Armageddon Navy issues again, guys. Come on. There are better battleships out there. Come on. You can do better than that. Literally anything. We've got Raven Navy issues. We've got Abadans. We've got Redeemers. Don't look at how the Redeemer's done so far this tournament. We've got...
02:30:04 iPhone fleet issues, etc. Those have been doing great this tournament. Those have been doing great this tournament. Yeah, iPhone fleet issues. Yeah, I mean, I was going to say, so I've been reading Twitch chat, right? And some people have been asking, like, why would people turn up to the tournament with on-demand comps? Or, like, what do people get out of participating in the tournament? I believe was asked by someone called Freedom Tower, something like that. So, I think the feeders format...
02:30:31 Und wir haben über das, glaube ich, das letzte Woche gesagt, ist es eine gute Möglichkeit, zu sehen, welche Teams sollen in den Tournament werden, richtig? Sie werden in der Vertue der Fertigkeit, dass sie spielen, sie spielen, sie gewinnen. So sie haben bereits gewonnen, um zu zeigen, dass sie in den Tournament in den ersten Platz sollen. Aber es ist auch eine gute Möglichkeit, für Teams, die weniger Experten mit dem Tournament sind, zu haben die Chance, zu turnen auf, zu participate in Thunderdome, wo sie nicht mehr investieren können.
02:30:58 von der eigenen ISK in den Schiff oder den Implanten. Und sie werden die Tournament in den Tournament format getrennt, in front of die Crowd, um besser zu verstehen, wie es kann. Und das ist wie wir die Tournament in den Tournament getrennt. Es gibt keinen Weg für die Tournament getrennt in den Tournament, wenn man es nur versucht, hier sind alle die wirklich gute Teams. Each Jahr kann man sich in. Wir sehen, dass wir wirklich schlechte Teams getrennt, als auch. Es passiert.
02:31:27 Aber dieses Mal, weil sie ihre Wins gewinnen müssen, wir sehen ein besseres Level von Tournament competitivität. Die Integrität der Tournament ist viel besser. Die Qualität der Tournament ist viel besser, weil diese Feeder Stages sind. In terms der Participation Awards, wenn man gewinnen, man gewinnen. Wenn man genug gewinnen, man gewinnen. Man gewinnen, man gewinnen. Man gewinnen, man gewinnen. Man gewinnen, man gewinnen. Man gewinnen, man gewinnen. Man gewinnen, man gewinnen.
02:31:54 Don't be too harsh on these teams that turn up for the first time and, you know, they're trying something new out and trying to figure out, you know, what they can do and what they can achieve with even on-demand teams. On-demand teams have won matches before in the Alliance Tournament, so, you know, I actually did put some points on Portal Pirates. I thought they may have had a chance. Also, the odds are just really good, so, you know, I had to try. I mean, something else that Portal Pirates should really...
02:32:23 Das ist, dass sie unter dem Schiff und unter Manned kamen, und sie dauert wie lange als White Squall in der Arena.
02:32:33 It's true, it's true. It is a true fact that the longer the match goes, the better your team did, which is why Control is the best comp to bring to a tournament match. Because you spend the most time on Grid, which is how you get the most experience possible. One thing I do want to address, I also have been reading Twitch Chat. Twitch Chat is spending a lot of time asking about the update. Yes?
Ankündigung eines Updates und Diskussion über Turnierstrategien
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02:33:01 There is going to be an update to EVE Online dropping on Tuesday, September 9th. Yes, that will affect ship and module balance, including the ship and module balance for the Alliance Tournament. The details for that update will be discussed on the break today. That break will be at 18.10 EVE time, or UTC. So stay tuned for that. You'll hear CCP Kestrel breaking down what is going to change. I'm sure everyone...
02:33:29 in their theory labs, has got their notepads ready, their spreadsheets open, they're going to make live changes to their Python database, because all of us are very excited to find out why all of our comps don't work anymore. Or work better. Or work, you know, it's possible that someone's overcooked idea is now perfectly ready, it just needed some extra time to sit in the fridge. But...
02:33:56 Who knows, who knows. Time, though, to move on to our next match, Brotherhood of Spacers versus Sons of Bane. We are still in the Elimination Zone. This group previously, we saw Deepwater Hooligans defeat Kitchen Sinkhole to go on to the Alliance Tournament. Kitchen Sinkhole will be playing for their chance to stay in. Boss and Sons of Bane are playing for the second slot in that upcoming match, both of them fighting to stay in the tournament.
02:34:25 What did the teams ban? All right, we have a Hugin, Dominix, Eos, Blackbird, Zarmazd, and Cenotaph. So the Zarm's here, the Cenotaph's here, but we've got some new ships as well. Misty, what do you think of these bans? I find it really interesting, actually, that a lot of the bans that we're seeing today are a blend of the bans that we saw on the first weekend. So the Hugin, for example, from Brotherhood of Spaces was banned last for them last weekend, but they still banned it.
02:34:57 They also banned the Zarm and the Basilisk last weekend, still keeping that Zarm banned, but changing it for a Blackbird. And interestingly, the Blackbird is one of the ships that Sons of Bane brought in their last setup, where they had the Navy Armageddon, the Fleet Tempest, and the Absolution. They paired it with the Celestis to try and, you know, effectively do a form of control setup in their run, right? I find it interesting that the Dominiks and Eos have been banned. One.
02:35:24 Those are harder to counter when you do have a control setup, because the drones, if you do jam out the EOS, it's still able to, if it needs to, lend its drones to a friend, and then they can put the drones onto something for you with like a target painter or a gun. You call it like a trigger or a drone bunny. So we might still see some battleship and control coming out from Sons of Bane, especially with that Cenotef ban coming in last as well.
02:35:53 Yeah, Phantomite, of these bans, what comps do you think are still open for the two teams here? I think that, you know, Misty talking about control there, I wouldn't be surprised if we see some tracking disruptors, some guidance disruptors arriving on this field, because Sons of Bane, it looks like they don't want to...
02:36:16 They don't want there to be drones. It looks like they want to force people into something that they can perhaps have a bit more of control over, a bit more of a counter to.
02:36:25 Ja, und es ist, ohne die Eos, das ist ein besonders großartiger für die Drone-Compse hier. Natürlich kann man auch andere Schicks zu finden in der Midline. Vielleicht ist die Eos mit der Myrmidon. Es ist wie ein Eos, aber ein bisschen worse. Die Huguen hier ist, dass die Long-Range Webs, High-Value Target Painting, aber wir sahen Rapier last Jahr.
02:36:54 Last weekend, we also saw Rapiers last year. They're very good ships. The Cruiser recons bringing death down with the webs and the target painters. So lots of different options here for both teams. Should be a very exciting match. I'm going to steal CCP Overload's line and send you down to the arena with Colonel Kurtz and Tianza Haran.
02:37:27 Hello and welcome back to the Arena. My name is Tien Zaharin and we have a very interesting match here with a boss versus Sands of Bane and boss bringing a hammer, it looks like, with Loki as a main tackle and double scalpel as a loji to support what we have on the blue beam side.
02:37:47 Sons of Bane electing to bring the triple Armageddon Navy issue. I am sure Misty will be frothing at the mouth over this. I've heard there are other options, but apparently not. Sons of Bane did bring this very similar setup last time round. In fact, I believe they brought the setup that Brotherhoods of Space has brought last time round. And this is mentioned in Local, with Spud Bantha saying, I recognize this setup.
02:38:12 This Nighthawk Rush has come in nice and close, as you would expect. This Ham Nighthawk Rush is looking to charge in and grab hold of these Armageddon Navy issues and have their merry way with them. The question will be, can they get rid of enough Armageddon Navy issues before those newts start to cause havoc across their ships?
02:38:32 This is going to be a really interesting match to see, because Hamrush, high DPS, versus Rapid Heavy is also very high DPS. To see which comes out on top there, it's going to be coming down to if Boss can actually get on top of something. But those Amageddon Navy issues were done on front. It's not like that Ashimo can use its long-range webs immediately to get something off, and I think that all of the ham strips of Boss can get right on one of those Amageddon Navy issues.
02:39:00 And since Sands of Pain is only supported by T-1 Logik Frigates, well, T-1 and T-2, they might actually be able to break through those Armageddon Navy issues. But they are taking a lot of damage here on their Austrian Navy issue of Mask and Maxill.
02:39:13 Yeah, Maskim taking a massive amount of damage. Just about to start bleeding through armor as he does. And there goes his structure as well. Not looking good for Maskim as he does fall. But at the moment, the T1 Logifrigate with the T2 partner seems to be paying off. They seem to be surviving for a good amount of time. This Ashimu is just about clinging on while they begin to put some damage on the scalpel of Spud.
02:39:39 um bantha if they can take him down that'd be pretty massive one lodgy lost they're going to start to burn through these ham ships but the ashimu not looking very healthy at this point in time and it does fall can we go down here actually move for two australia navies i'm not sure if that is a good trade especially because that gap is also really suffering looks like boss is not going for the immediate damage on the amigala navy issues but more for a
02:40:04 Es sieht aus, dass das Ammagellon-Navies die Half-Click ist, weil das Scalpel scheint zu stabilisieren in Tank. So vielleicht kann die Bossen die Logitech alive für ein bisschen länger hier sein. Die Low-End ist auf Sands-Of-Bane, mit der Inquisitor-Tage-Tage-Tage-Tage-Tage-Tage-Tage-Tage-Tage-Tage-Tage-Tage-Tage-Tage-Tage-Tage-Tage-Tage-Tage-Tage-Tage-Tage-Tage-Tage-Tage-Tage-Tage-Tage-Tage-Tage-Tage-Tage-Tage-Tage-Tage-Tage-Tage-Tage-Tage-Tage-Tage-Tage-Tage-Tage-Tage-Tage-Tage-Tage-Tage
02:40:32 in der Ende des Armageddon-Navies als Bexor-Navy geht.
02:40:39 Yeah, so these logistics frigates are doing a great job of staying alive and survive much longer than I thought. Those Armageddon Navy issues maybe not having the impact that we thought they would against this setup. The scalpel of Spud is clinging on Operatic, doing a great job of keeping him alive, while Braham in the Deacon now taking a lot of damage. Those two Logi frigates on the Sons of Bainside being forced to choose about keeping this Vexor alive or keeping the Deacon alive, and they're going to have to make that decision at this point.
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02:41:38 The Nighthawk does fall. That is pretty massive, really. They've lost a big chunk of their damage. Now they're going to really struggle to either kill a Deacon or chew through the Armageddon Navy issues, and they've now lost all their Lodgy as well. The tide has well and truly turned into the side of Sons of Bane with those losses.
02:41:56 Absolut, ich denke Boss hier versucht zu durch den Vexor und den Deacon an den gleichen Zeit, aber den Inquisitor hat einen wirklich guten Job gehalten, während den Deacon kept den Vexor alive. Und in dem Zeitpunkt, sie leiden den High End mehr und mehr. Und jetzt der 2nd Nighthawk ist der 2nd Nighthawk hier, während den Vexor, den Inquisitor und Deacon sind alle superfine tanken. Und jetzt der Hyäna des Bosses ist jetzt gescheitert hier. Hans-Jones ist wahrscheinlich bald bald hier. Ich weiß nicht, wie Sie.
02:42:24 Wenn ich in Big Fleets fluche, dann gibt es eine Ordnung, die ihr FC will, und das ist die Fokus-FIRE. Und das ist ebenso wichtig in den Alliance Tournament. Sie haben ihre Dämpfe auf drei Ships in diesem Zeitpunkt, die Logifrigs und die Vexer.
02:42:38 und wunderte, warum sie nicht gewonnen haben. Wenn ihr euch verwendet, wird es nicht gut sein. Ihr habt ihr Fokuss-FIRE. Sie haben diese Tarkats in close. Sie könnten alle auf den Vexil gehen, sie könnten alle auf den Vexil gehen, aber ich weiß nicht, warum sie das gemacht haben. Es fühlt sich ein Fehler, dass sie das Verwendet haben. Und wie ich gesagt habe, wenn sie nicht gewonnen haben, um Armageddon-Navy zu gewinnen, bei diesem Punkt in der match, ich denke, es war über für sie irgendwie, wirklich.
02:43:02 Yeah, I think so. I'm not sure about their initial call to go for the low end with the hamboats, because hams are not particularly well known to apply to those frigates and destroyers. Baxter, okay, I respect that call, I think that was a good call, but why not just try to burn through these Armageddon Navy issues right from the beginning, because every second these Armageddon navies are on grid, can get their reload off, and they can just burn out so much damage, and now it's just the Loki and the Jackdaw, it's...
02:43:29 Ich denke, dass der Boss nicht gewinnen wird. Ich denke, wir können ein bisschen was sie gemacht haben, was sie in den Beginn gemacht hat. Ich denke, wenn sie in den Tanks auf den Armageddon haben, haben sie viel TPS. Aber sind sie wirklich die Tanks-Battleships? Nein, nicht wirklich. Ich denke, dass sie einen Armageddon-Navy haben können. Und die Zeit der Deacon, Inquisitor und Vexor nicht wirklich getroffen sind. Ich denke, nach dem ersten Vexor, sie hätte zu switchen.
02:43:58 Ja, totally agree. Ich meine, Sie haben einen Inquisitor und ein Deacon. Der Logistik ist sicherlich ein bisschen von einem Weakpunkt für sie. Even wenn sie für den Inquisitor gehen, oder für den Deacon gehen, sie werden nur die Reps von den Inquisitor gehen. Das vielleicht auch machte Sinn, aber es ist ein Rutsch set-up. Sie werden diese Armageddon-Nabücher verlieren. Sie werden die Neute auf den Hardenern für ihre Logistik Frigate gehen.
02:44:23 They should have rushed in, likely gone for an Armageddon Navy issue, got rid of a third of their damage, got rid of a third of their newts, and then maybe been in a more comfortable position to start tanking and maybe start to plink away at the massive health pool that Sons of Bane have got. You can still see now that defense bar is absolutely enormous. The amount of tank and EHP on that side is huge. And when you've got a setup that does an enormous amount of damage, you need to start chewing through that defense bar. Otherwise you end up in this situation where these...
02:44:53 Heavy Newton comps will just chip away at you. They don't do a massive amount of damage output, and it's burst damage with those Rapid Heavy missiles, but it is going to chip away at you, and that's exactly what's happened as we see the Loki.
02:45:06 Das war nicht der Fall.
02:45:35 Ich denke, dass sie vielleicht gewonnen haben, wenn sie einfach direkt in für diese Angelegenheit und die DPS-Race und nicht die Kontroll-Race ist, weil in die Kontroll-Race die Hams nicht gewinnen. Und sie hatten eine toughe Wahl hier. Shoot die Inquisitor, und es hat Deacon Reps. Oder Shoot die Deacon, und es hat mehr Zeit, weil es T2 ist. So, warum Shoot one oder die andere? Just Shoot bigger Targets. Ich denke...
02:46:01 Ich glaube, wie sie das eine Wexer hat, um die Kontroll- und die Nudes- und die Zonen- und die Zonen- und die Zonen- und die Zonen- und die Zonen- und die Zonen- und die Zonen- und die Zonen- und die Zonen- und die Zonen- und die Zonen- und die Zonen- und die Zonen- und die Zonen- und die Zonen- und die Zonen- und die Zonen- und die Zonen- und die Zonen- und die Zonen- und die Zonen- und die Zonen- und die Zonen- und die Zonen- und die Zonen- und die Zonen- und die Zonen- und die Zonen- und die Zonen- und die Zonen- und die Zonen- und die Zonen- und die Zonen- und die Zonen- und die Zonen- und die Zonen- und die Zonen- und die Zonen- und die Zonen- und die Zonen- und die
02:46:30 Ich denke, wenn ihr voll Rush Comp ist, und ihr habt drei Battleships in front of euch...
02:46:57 Got to put all of your damage into it and get rid of some of those points. Because those points may be quite important later on. You never know. But I think, you know, fairly well flown by Sons of Bane. Sons of Bane will continue into the tournament at this point in time. Brotherhood of Spaces, unfortunately, because of a few tactical errors there, will be leaving us. And it's sad to see them go. In their last match, like I said, they flew very, very similar to what we've seen from Sons of Bane. Obviously, well, I would assume they probably thought that this rush...
02:47:26 Ich glaube, ich glaube, dass sie vielleicht nicht gewinnen, aber nicht gewinnen, sondern gewinnen und gewinnen.
02:47:56 if they'd have gone all in in them from the beginning, if they'd have focused fire. I can hear the sounds of a number of the FCs that I've worked with over the years, Shadu being one of them, screaming to focus fire. Every time it is what it is.
02:48:13 Ja, ich habe zu sagen, dass ich die Initial Call of Sense of Bane fand, um die Austriane-Navy zu spüren, und dann, ich meine, die Fokus ein bisschen zu viel auf die Logikfunktionen, in meiner Meinung nach, und dann auf die Nighthawks. Aber ich denke, die Austriane-Navies waren ein wirklich guter Call, weil in den ersten zwei Sekunden, die Austriane-Navy war bereits in, in halve Shields, und es war super schnell. Aber ja, mit dem, es ist Zeit. Und Sense of Bane continues, und Brotherhoods of Spacers ist jetzt aus.
02:48:41 We can send it back to the desk for some analysis. Keep going. Hold your head still. Oh, yeah, okay, sorry. Let me go right here. All right. You don't need none of that. All you need is a mutiplasmin for the old ballistic control. And then you need some T2 ballistic control. And then all you got to do is roll those bad boys and then some bitches. And then you're going to get yourself a better version. And it's cheap.
02:49:08 Brother, I have rolled so many T2. And when you die, people think, oh, he had abyssless on that. Oh my God, I bet he's fancy as hell. They all think that. And you know what? A lot of times they're wrong. But it doesn't matter because perception is reality. Many people are saying this.
02:49:49 Welcome back to the desk. At the very end there, we saw a Loki being repped by Sons of Bane. Sons of Bane, they paid for a 10-minute match, and they plan to use all 10 minutes of it. Brotherhood of Spacers, they are well known for copious FanFest swag. Unfortunately, not adding...