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EVE Online: Imperium verlässt Delve – Ein Neuanfang mit Fokus auf Konflikte
Nach der Zerstörung des Keepstars in 1DQ verlässt das Imperium Delve. Dieser Schritt soll neue Inhalte generieren und die Spielweise von Horde verändern. Es wird diskutiert, ob das Imperium Delve in Zukunft erneut einnehmen wird, dies gilt aber als unwahrscheinlich. Der Fokus liegt nun auf mehr Flottenkämpfen.
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00:02:58 Hey, good afternoon, everybody, and welcome to this week's special edition of the Meta Show, as we're going to be streaming today, obviously, from CCP's channel here. I'm your host, Keith Stone, with Dave Archer as your also host. We're like both hosts and co-hosts at the same time. And we are twinning. And today we have with us some NoSec leaders that we've had on the show.
00:03:26 You might know, you might not know. And you know what? I'm going to let them introduce themselves, and I'm going to go down a list here on where I see you. And Cipedes, I'll let you kick it off. Tell our viewers a little bit about you. Hey, everybody. I'm Cipedes, the leader of Sigma Grindset and Ligma Grindset, which is actually our main alliance. Yeah, I love NOLSEC. It's great.
00:03:50 Awesome. Sympenies followed by hdubs there. Go ahead, buddy, to introduce yourself to the rest of the chat.
00:03:59 All right, yeah, guys, I'm the XO, second in command of Sigma Grindset and also Ligma Grindset. I'm the Cipedes when Cipedes isn't around. Occasionally I do a cool thing or two of my own. Sigma's going to take over the show today. They've got a good presence today on our show with two of our guests from Sigma Grindset. And next is Ranger Gamma. Go ahead and let the chat know who you are.
00:04:23 I'm Ranger, I'm from GSF. I am H-Dubs equivalent within GSF, so we don't call it the XO. My official title is Chief of Staff, but I am second in command of GSF. Thank you for joining us today, Ranger. And then last but not least, probably I believe our newest member of the Imperium. Ratz, go ahead and tell us who you are, man.
00:04:47 Hello team, I'm the leader of Out of the Blue, Rotzmine Worker. Sometimes on my off time I'm also the autocrat of Out of the Blue apparently, so here we are. Thank you for having me. Love having you. And we have a lot of Imperium members here today. Dave, is there a group that's missing? So, in true reporter fashion here, Pandemic Horde was reached out for comment, but...
00:05:14 No reply, as per usual, was given. They were invited to join us on this little shindig and to talk about NullSec and be on CCP's channel. But, uh, unfortunately no reply.
00:05:28 We'd love to have Cord on the show and hear their input. But it is unfortunate, like Dave said, that we're not able to join us today. So now that we got the guests out of the way, obviously you know myself, Keith Stone, joined by Dave. We're going to go ahead and get on into the main topic here, Dave. Switch the thing.
00:05:56 So, what we want to really get into the first half is probably the biggest event that's happened, obviously since the kick of the war, is the end of 1DQ. The big Imperium Keepstar that went down in 1DQ that was killed by just a handful of Rifters, right? Just a few thousand Rifters that was taken down here recently. And the first question I have here for the group, and I'll go on to my feelings real quick as well.
00:06:25 I personally, coming from different groups, playing the game from most of the game in the beginning, before I joined the Imperium, I don't have a lot of say or feelings towards the 1DQ Keep going down. Didn't have anything there. I didn't fight to defend it. So me personally, I'm just like, ah, well, you know, it's whatever. But it's been a big staple. There was a big war that was fought over it. And the first question I have for everybody is, do we think there's anything different that we could have done? There's a lot of stuff in that Keep Star.
00:06:54 And maybe some people who maybe lost some things will have to have spent so much is to get it out of asset safety. They weren't going to be able to. So open it up to the group here. Is there anything we think we could have done differently or would have done differently?
00:07:13 Ich sage, ich bin einer der Leute, die die Entscheidung gemacht hat. Ich glaube, ich bin von der Gruppe. Ja, 100%. Oh, interessant. Ich wollte dich sagen, weil ich mich als ein jerker, über die Erinnerung auszunehmen. Aber von unserer Sicht, wenn wir 1DQ und GSF gesehen haben, ist es die Seat der Castle in der Region.
00:07:39 Sort of an inherently defensive part of space over there. Draws you down into this little bolt hole. And GSF has kind of played the defensive game to its logical conclusion. You know, like what new thing is GSF going to do on the defensive? So does it look pretty perfect, honestly? It's like a capstone to a whole era of the game.
00:08:04 Ja, 100%. Is there anything when it comes to the decision to take down that keep really quickly? Ranger, maybe you could shed some light on this too. I'd be curious, why did we want to take it down as quickly as we did?
00:08:23 Well, it's mostly just because we were leaving. So GSF left in October. We're moving Brave out. Everybody's leaving. We went back and forth for weeks as to what should we do. Should we leave it? Should we free port it? Should we do all these kind of things? Should we try and scoop it? And we all came down to the conclusion of
00:08:53 Und wir haben eine lange Geschichte. Es ist unser Ding. Und wir puten es zu a vote. Asher sat down mit Ilum, mit der Command Team und sagte, Straw Poll, was du all think für everybody in Ilum? Und es kam dann zu über...
00:09:22 90% said, let's Viking funeral this. Let's just kill it ourselves. Do a big ass party and do it. We said okay. And then he put it to the line on the fireside and said, what do you guys think? And about the same thing. About 90% of people said, yeah, let's Viking funeral it. And then he picked Rifters. There's historical...
00:09:48 Ich weiß, ich weiß, dass du da mit mir war. 10 Minuten, 15 Minuten? Das war's für dich. Oh, vielleicht für dich. Ich weiß, ich weiß. Ich weiß, ich weiß. Ich weiß, ich habe all of your lost mails.
00:10:13 But it was, you know, it just came down to the idea of, you know, I defended that keep for months and months during Vietnam myself, as was mentioned in there. I lived in there when that keep was first anchored. Like, yeah, it was a thing to me, I think, more than almost any of you except for Dave. I know he was involved in all those fleets with me because we were there together.
00:10:40 was so special to us. It was named after, it was renamed for one of our fallen. And we thought this would be what he would like. He was all into having fun with the guys, doing those kind of stuff. And yeah, that's how we did it. That's how it came down. We went back and forth on it for quite a number of weeks as to what should we do.
00:11:06 We couldn't scoop it. It was never going to be able to be scooped. There's just no way. It would either die or... We'd have to run back to Dalve every other day to defend the damn thing. Yeah, if we just left it, it would be the dinner bell that never stopped ringing. 100%. And that's awesome to hear the insight. Go ahead, Dave. I think it's a good way to do it as well, because as you said, so many people, not just the command team, but the line members...
00:11:33 Thousands of them spent a year defending that keep. It's only right that they're the ones to blow up. Because eventually it would have got blown up by someone. Because let's be honest, we can't go running all the way to Dalva every week. You know? When we saw the vote, it was so overwhelmingly in favor of the Viking funeral. I mean, it was... I don't have the exact numbers, but it was like...
00:12:00 90%, ja. Let's kill it ourselves. Let's have a big party. I think it was also fun for the entire game, though, and I'll give Horde their due. The people that were camping the route were swiftly told to stop by Horde leadership. I happen to know that. I know Gobbins was telling people to stop doing that. And Shines, I think, from what I heard, yeeted someone for it.
00:12:26 actually he did two people and pinged his alliance i'm pretty sure from what i heard so yep he did do that quite a good it wasn't it wasn't one dave it was two oh i only heard the one because i was like muting and unmuting uh mumble all the time yep it was two actually but there was fleets from all over the place yeah there was a lot of goons there but there were
00:12:51 Es war 3,800 Menschen in der System. Wir haben nicht 3,800 Menschen. Es war nicht 3,800 Menschen. Es war ein paar andere Fleets present. Wir haben Spaß mit Schütten, die nicht in Rifter sind. Ja. Ich weiß, der Sigma ist, ich weiß, dass er die FC war, aber er war auf der Command-Team. Er war so, dass wir uns nicht in Rifter sind. Wir waren, ja. Er war okay. Es war nicht in H-Stump. Nein, es war nicht in H-Stump.
00:13:20 Es war H.J. H.J. und um... Das ist zu viele... Ja, das war H. Ja, das war H. Ja, das war H. Ja, das war H. Ja, das war H. Ja, das war H. Ja, das war H. Ja, das war H. Ja, das war H. Ja, das war H. Ja, das war H. Ja, das war H. Ja, das war H. Ja, das war H. Ja, das war H. Ja, das war H. Ja, das war H. Ja, das war H. Ja, das war H. Ja, das war H. Ja, das war H. Ja, das war H. Ja, das war H. Ja, das war H. Ja, das war H. Ja, das war H. Ja, das war H. Ja, das war H. Ja, das war H. Ja, das war H. Ja, das war H. Ja, das war H. Ja, das war H. Ja, das war H. Ja,
00:13:45 There were other groups there that weren't just goons. This was something I saw. CCP itself broadcasted what was going to happen on their Facebook. And the whole community came together to burn this Cape Star down, to give it that Viking funeral that I believe is well-deserved, considering everything that you guys, that we did to defend that through World War B and everything else that happened. Definitely well-deserved decision.
Auswirkungen des Umzugs aus Delve und der Zerstörung des Keepstars
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00:14:13 And Ranger, this question is next for you. What kind of impact do you think this will have? It's an end of an era for the Imperium, moving from Delve, the destruction of the Cube Star, finally putting it away the way it should. And do you think this will have any impact to the game as a whole? You know, that's an interesting question to have. And when I look back at my time, I've been doing this for a long time, playing EVE. This is not the first region I've had to...
00:14:41 Wir sind auf der Borde of Horde space. Wir sind literally da.
00:15:10 That's the whole goal, is to be able to go and poke who is our mortal enemy and have some fun with it. Because even peacetime is boring. It is so dull. And I'm not even an FC. Dave and all the others are here doing that. I'm a background logistics, money, organizing guy. Fix this thing, please. Thank you.
00:15:39 Peace is so dull. I actually have some numbers. The most common request I get from Dave is, I need money or this is broken, fix it. Exactly. Which is fair enough, that's my job. I'm going to complain to you so people don't do it in Kremlin. I have numbers from the peak moment in 1DQ that day. There were 1,658 goons.
00:16:07 Who do we think was the second largest alliance, without cheating?
00:16:13 Yeah, was in it. They almost had a good number. 639. And then Brave with 200 on. Largest corp is obvious, it was Karma Fleet. Then ASCII, then 4S. Which, 4S was quite surprising then. So, yeah, there's some of the numbers. And there was a lot of unaffiliated corporations as well. There were 256 people from corporations that were not affiliated to an alliance. So, Admiral Prahn asked in chat, was...
00:16:42 The only reason we moved for more fights. You're the money guy. Is there any other motivation for moving away?
00:16:52 Ja, so we moved from more fights. That was the whole point. If you look at the geography of where Delve is, and you look at where Horde is in the drone regions, it's difficult to get between the two without just using wormholes, and they're not the best thing. I know Dave's got his thing on the wormholes, and I've talked about that a lot, but it's not like you can just sit down and...
00:17:19 So we looked at it and said, where do we want to go? And it's like, well, let's move closer.
00:17:48 Okay, where's Closer? And that's where Closer is. We're moving counterclockwise around the map, so we are now Closer. If you look at a Dotlin map, right, we've moved counterclockwise a bit.
00:18:02 We're just going to continue moving to content. So three months, Imperium, we're going to be packing bags again. No, we're not. That's what I hear. Yeah, that's not going to happen. No. Go ahead, Teeps.
00:18:23 Ja, so like the whole 1DQ era, it's a bygone era. It takes a lot of courage for, you know, an entity of your size to move, you know, 9,000 humans forward. But it needed to be done logistically and strategically. It was a bad era with Ecomox and everything changing. And a good send-off, like a Thanos, like, fine, I'll do it myself. I'll burn down my own Keepstar because the entire game couldn't do it. And that's awesome.
00:18:51 You know, you guys got to do something that no one else got to do. You know, you fought the entire Eve community, won, burned your own Keepstar down and moved regions down the road. Now Gobbins can't force every able body that he can find in every gutter, you know, tree, bush, you name it, to sit, you know, in front of your coalition, our coalition and everybody else to defend himself with shield walls. He can't do that anymore.
00:19:19 And so now the content is pushed on his doorstep. His SIGs can't deploy. Fight 2,000 goons. Oh, you don't like that? Oh, you don't want to deploy your SIGs? It's too bad because now we got content. EU, AU, any time of the day, it's ours. And he can't dictate where we need to be anymore or where we have to be.
00:19:41 Ja, das ist das. Das ist ein paar Jahre. Es fühlt sich ein bisschen wie ein Content Trout, wo Timezones wurden als mehr ein Tool für Content-Avoidance oder Denial vor allem in der Spiel. Von unseren Line-Members, across Timezones, wir hören einfach huge Enthusiasm für Moves, um alle in den Content- und nicht nur ein Favorit-Timezones.
00:20:11 The funniest part, too, is we were taking all this new space. This just happened a couple of weeks ago. I was flipping chubs with the guys. Well, they were doing it. I was in there pushing other buttons, but we were all on comms. And they found some horrid renter dude, and they pinned him on a gate for like an hour, just held him with scrams, knocking him away from the gate in a pod, because, of course, we're goons. We're terrible people. And it turned out he was a renter who had been
00:20:41 We've seen this before with them as well. Keith and I were planning not to rag on Horde in this stream, but it's a bit difficult. But we've seen this before when...
00:21:07 Dave, I don't know if this is really ragging on Horde
00:21:35 I personally think a lot of this group may be aligned in this. I think the whole renting mechanic in the game is a silly mechanic. And hopefully this is something that shows people who are like, you know what, I'm going to go rent from Pratt or I'm going to go rent from Horde or anybody else. Please don't do it. It's a Mafia protection racket. It's not rent. It's Mafia protection. It's not a landlord. You can live here and we won't blow up your stuff, but pay me.
00:22:04 Was was like even as a as a small group someone has suggested me when we were not Imperium they were like oh you should do running I'm like absolutely not and I I've run rental empires I when northern associates had half of the blue donut for a long long time ago it was just not something that was That was going to work for me as a game thing so being here and knowing as much other people who don't care about running is really cool Because it just it's the worst thing in the game. I hate it. I agree
00:22:33 Und das ist das. Und das ist das. Und das ist das. Und das ist das. Und das ist das. Und das ist das. Und das ist das. Und das ist das. Und das ist das. Und das ist das. Und das ist das. Und das ist das. Und das ist das. Und das ist das.
00:23:02 Ich weiß nicht, wann wir in den Moment sind. Aber ich werde immer noch mit meinem Industrie machen, denn es ist noch Imperium Space.
00:23:12 Whereas if you're renting, it's, oh, you can't go there, you can't go there, you can't go there. And that's just not a good use of space or just really polite in the first place or nice. And this kind of leads into the next question, though, with renting and how does it happen? What happens to Delve now? Does it turn into somebody's rental empire? What kind of group do you think can move into Delve and be successful? And this is for the whole panel's question chat. Love to hear your input on.
00:23:42 Who moves into Delve in a success? Well, my opinion is it's going to have to be a more veteran group because you're right next to NPC space. You're going to have to deal with somebody coming in there and they're going to probably try to farm you if they think they can. So I really would like to hear what happens to Delve next. I'm going to be the first one. I hope...
00:24:04 Es ist nicht nur in es. Und ich habe ein Klingel, ein Suspicion, dass Darkshines nicht einfach nur in Delft ist. Wenn du auf die map jetzt, Drake's Lair und Zerg und die Leute, ich absolut liebe das Faceless Squad mit den Eastern Europeans. Arhan ist ein streamer da. Sie sind wirklich cool. Sie waren Spaß zu kämpfen in den Southeast. Ich würde einfach nur sehen sie für eine lange Zeit. Aber dann sehen Sie Synergy.
00:24:33 Ich glaube, es wird ein paar Leute sein. Ich glaube, es wird ein paar Leute sein. Ich glaube, es wird ein paar Leute sein. Ich glaube, das wird ein paar Leute sein. Aber ich glaube, das wird ein paar Leute sein. Ich glaube, das wird ein paar Leute sein. Aber ich glaube, ich glaube, das wird ein paar Leute sein. Die drei Gruppen, die ich sehe da jetzt, nicht glauben. Ich glaube... Ich glaube, Schein dislikes Renting mit einer passion, heute. Und er hat es klar, dass er mehr Interessante Gruppen hat.
00:25:02 So I think living in Dalve may be a, you know, you live there, you do your thing. And if anyone big tries to come and stomp you, Shines will have something to say about it because it's on his doorstep. But wouldn't get involved normally. That's just what I think Shines may do because he likes to fight, but he also likes to allow people to, you know, foster and become new groups. And I'm looking at the map of Dalve. It's already, as you said,
00:25:32 Quite nicely chopped up into several different groups by it just happening, you know?
00:25:38 We said Phoenix Coalition is moving to Delve. Yeah, I'm looking, you know, Quirius. Like, I'll be the first person to say I've heard a lot of whispers. Some of those people used to play with me. And there is some drama now. Only Fleets is apparently bucking the rest of them. And there is now some infighting already in Quirius. And it sounds like Only Fleets, Siege Green, XIX All.
00:26:07 mit Phoenix Co. So we'll see what that is. It's really funny. There's some stuff on Reddit right now. Really good video. I'm like, this is it. This is what I'm here for. I think you could see a lot of interesting... I was about to make Aquarius Fight Club meme. I thought better of it. I was about to go, one could call it Aquarius Fight Club. It's been a long time ago. I haven't heard that in a long time. I think...
00:26:33 Aquarius and Delve, if the larger groups this includes in it, because they are a larger group, keep their nose out, it could turn into quite an interesting place for medium and small groups to tussle with each other and get left alone. Unfortunately there are particular people in NullSec that are terrible at keeping their nose out of stuff, but they may be a bit occupied lately.
00:26:54 No, I think you're right, Dave. I think it had a big fight with FRAT, was it this morning? It was like today or yesterday, I can't remember. But yeah, they stepped in and were fighting FRAT, which is another big organization. But yeah, it's Thunderdome, all day there. And big organizations should stay out and let the 100-man forming alliances all fight and kill each other for it, because that's great for the game.
00:27:23 I have no business being there and I won't even go there because that's their fight and they're having a good time and who cares, right? That's good for the game.
00:27:33 No, I agree. The activity rush itself is a really good sign. A lot has been said in the last few years about why would a null block take space? What's space good for? No one wants space. We're sort of giving the lie to that right now. The last time we saw a land rush like this was the SEA, which had its perks, but maybe was a little bit doomed by geography with where it sat between.
00:27:59 Imperium and Horde, like it was always going to get rolled up like a tube of toothpaste when we went at it again. But maybe there's a little more hope back here that there's not, you know, like blood feud on both sides. Well, yeah, because you got in it on one side and you got the Imperium on the other. And I don't... Ranger, correct me if I'm wrong, but you probably wouldn't. I don't foresee us going to war with in it any time soon, because mainly it would mean us having to go...
00:28:27 back the way we just came. And that's just going to irritate people. So they're pretty safe though. Yeah, I mean, it's one of those cases where when you look at the way the blocks have positioned themselves right now, it was PanFam or PandaFam or however you want to call that, right? So it was like Horde and FRT as one big block. And there's been a few cracks in that.
00:28:55 Und so, es war zwei Blocks für eine lange Zeit. Und jetzt ist es sich um drei oder vier, an wie du wirklich willst. Und mehr Blocks bedeutet mehr Wars. Wenn du sit down und look at es und sagst, okay, es ist ein 50-man, 100-man, 200-man Allianz in Delve. Do die Blocks care about that? No, nicht wirklich.
00:29:24 Like Pravi is a classic example that they might go into Providence, right? And you go, okay, well, we're just going to steamroll this. The last time a major block steamrolled it that I remember is when Faction Forts were created and everybody descended on Providence to take the old outpost to get the Faction Forts. And thereafter, everybody's like, okay, well, it's got some moons. What else is there in Pravi? You're like, moons. You're like, okay.
00:29:53 And nothing. No one cares. That's just the way that it is. I suspect, I kind of hope Delve ends up being that way as well, where these groups can just tussle with each other and the rest of us can look at them and just go, that was cool. That was a neat fight there. We're going to be over here punching Horde in the face, assuming they'll actually fight. And it's probably going to be on the other side.
00:30:21 Punching Fred, who actually does show up and fight. Fred's somebody you don't underestimate. You do and they'll kick you. And you're like, oh shit. And you turn around and there's 10,000 of them sitting there ready to beat you. FRT is not somebody to fuck with. Lightly. You gotta know that you're getting into it with them. And Shines is not an idiot. And it knows what they're doing when they're poking FRT.
00:30:50 Ja, Norris feeds his people red meat. He understands how to play the game. Make no mistake, Norris is not, like, we say a lot of goofy things about people, but Norris knows what his people want to eat and when, and he feeds them, and he gives them good content. Like, say what you will, but, you know, even if he, like that Dread fight, they just lost. Why? I mean, yeah, he can afford it, but they took it anyway, and they knew they were going to take it on the chin.
00:31:18 Ja, Norris ist ein guter Geist. Er ist ein sehr EFFECTIVE Leader. Ich habe noch nie gesprochen, aber er ist ein EVE-Leiter. Er weiß, was er ist. 100%. Ich werde einen Kommentar in der Chat. Wir waren nur den Show auf CP-Channel, weil sie einen Guest-Streamer haben. Wir haben gefragt, die Leute aus dem Imperium haben, aber sie wollten nicht. Wir haben nur ein Thema.
Zukunftspläne des Imperiums und die Bedeutung des Umzugs
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00:31:45 So one of the questions somebody did ask, since we're talking about the chat, Casper8911 asked, what's stopping the Imperium from just steamrolling Delve again in the next one to two years?
00:31:57 Honestly, nothing we could, but why would we? As I think Dave or Seeps mentioned, it's in the wrong direction. The enemy is counterclockwise to us. We'd have to go back. No. There'd have to be a really, really good reason to convince not only Asher, but the rest of our command team that Delve needed to be glassed. And right now, I don't see it.
00:32:23 Horde is in the other direction. It's not just that. You suggest that to the Alliance and I can tell you that the court leadership is going to flip their fucking tables. At this moment in time. Mark my word. Three months from now. I'm just kidding, guys. We're going to be moving again. Speaking of move. Yes, we've hashed Alv over and over for the last half hour. Let's talk about the move because pretty much everyone here has moved.
00:32:52 Seeps, you've moved out of where you guys were up to, I believe, Catch, isn't it? Yeah, we have 75 systems in Paragon, Sol, and Esoteria. Great space, lots of wormhole content. We made great friends with the wormholers. Just kidding, we love fighting them. They love fighting us.
00:33:13 But yeah, it's like you guys had the end of your era. We were up there for two and a half years, and now we're back in Catch, which is kind of where Sigma began after we left RC, Dreadbomb, and other low-sec organizations to make Sigma Grindset. And we've just been having a blast, man, after the move. The move sucks, though, but we did manage to move everybody in a week, and that was pretty impressive.
00:33:42 My guys and ladies did a fantastic job. I think anybody who would sit down to just dovetail what Steve said, anybody who sits down and said, oh, I enjoyed moving, they didn't move. They didn't move shit if anybody says that. When you have to move an entire alliance, as we have all done, it's a nightmare. I can't even tell you how many freighters and jump freighters that I personally moved.
00:34:11 Just this week of, it's not even my stuff. It's like, it's our guys getting our guys moving. We've got move-ups going constantly. I know every group is doing it right now. This is a huge shuffle of space and people moving things. And if anybody's listening who doesn't pay any attention to this, go to Jita and look at the Topes market in the last month. And you will see when the move started.
00:34:39 All that said, though...
00:35:08 Like, I've been here two weeks, and the amount of response I get about how excited people are to not be in Delph anymore is wild. You can ask any Goon members, like, hey, how do you feel? And they're like, I don't care, it's something new. That's where their game state is right now. They're like, we're four jumps from Horde. Like, I do not care. To me, it takes me back to when Pappy was staged in T5Z. That was the funnest time I've ever had in this game.
00:35:36 Because if you wanted a fight, you just undocked. And you had a fight. It's much the same as this. You undock and go three jumps and you get a fight.
00:35:45 We haven't moved yet. Yeah, so... You'll get there eventually. Hold on, hold on. I moved in real life this last week. That's why, by the way, you haven't seen me for a couple weeks. I moved across the country from Texas to Florida. So I've been busy with that, and I'm coming back, and I'm like, all right, now I've got to move my new stuff. So there's a couple people in chat. Kane's going to move all my stuff forward. Thanks, Kane.
00:36:10 Ich werde es einfach alles übernehmen, und er wird es für mich. Das ist wie ich handle es. Ich habe wirklich gut Freunde. Ja, um... See, da you go. Perfect example of someone will sagen, dass er die move hat. Ja. Ich denke, wir haben... Ich denke, wir haben eine gute Range von Opinions an das, dass wir mit dem Gast können. Du hast einen Ranger, der ist essentially moving ein Mammoth.
00:36:37 Siep's kind of in the middle ground, then you've got Rotz who's sliding on him, but I'm sure each one's got its own challenges. So Rotz, what do you feel about, first of all, you've moved into the Imperium and you're moving into new space?
00:36:55 It's so many mixed feelings. It's so many things. Someone actually just mentioned there, like, can you make a statement to why your Holding Tune or your Holding Corp is anti-block holdings? And we're working on it. It'll be pro-block holdings later, I promise. We've gone all in. It'll happen, but Securitas said he took it, so I'm going to have to go wrestle him for it.
00:37:20 Es hat Spaß gemacht, es hat sich verändert. Ich meine, wir waren Imperium, weil wir nicht mehr wollten, ehrlich gesagt haben, und hier sind wir. Aber wir werden ein bisschen nach vorne gehen, ein bisschen weiter zu den Bordern. Und dann, mehr importantly, wir waren, weil Gobben gesagt hat, dass wir eine Chance haben. Und ich habe gesagt, dass wir eine Chance haben. Ich will, dass sie Spaß haben. Ich will, dass sie Spaß haben. Und sie wollen, auch.
00:37:47 So every day I spend more time in horde space or on horde structures right now than I do my own space. And we haven't moved yet. We're one of the only ones who hasn't actually done the move. But it's been killer. We've been here two weeks. It's been wild. And we're finding our niche. And it's been pretty cool right now. I suppose one of the good things about where you're moving to as well is...
00:38:13 You guys could continue doing your thing because you're essentially moving into an area, whether you own the stuff or not, that's already propagated with everything you would need to live in it. Yeah, that has a lot of benefit. People are excited for that because, again, Spaceworks, it's hard running a small alliance. If anyone here thinks that it isn't, you're crazy. It's one of the things I ran on for CSM is Spacework is wild. And so it's one of the barriers of...
00:38:40 Es dauert viel Arbeit. Du musst du ein Content-Creator sein. Du musst du ein Bureaucratisches System haben. Mein Korps ist ein Allianz-Management-Korp. Wir haben die Funktionen, die wir jetzt haben. Aber wir haben also einen MPC-Spiel. Wir haben diese Merger mit GWCS und wir haben einen MPC-Spiel.
00:39:05 String about us, that we care about being close and having our MPC fun. So it's cool to be here doing that. We've been set up pretty good to do that.
00:39:18 Yeah, and Ranger, you've already talked a bit on it, but how do you think the moves go for Goons in general? Yeah, do you think that, well, how are the Corps reacting to it? Are there mixed feelings? What's the vibe? Because I know you deal a lot with Corps, as I blow up your DMs every week. You know, the biggest one is that
00:39:48 You know, when we sat down to do this campaign is that we won so quickly that all of our timeframes got just screwed up. So we went to Korps and we're like, okay, we've got this plan. It was a three-month campaign plan. It took about two weeks. You know, so everything just kind of got a little messed up with timeframes and how we were going to do everything. And so Korps were asking questions that was...
00:40:19 Sorry.
00:40:22 Of course, we're asking questions about how something would work, and we didn't have a really good answer because we're like, well, we just conquered four regions, so we need to finish planning out everything. Can you not tell me what space I'm getting right now? Yeah, it's pretty much that because we're like, well. That's where you're going, Keith. This group, we expected to actually fight, and now they're not.
00:40:52 But in terms of moving, we really only started moving our people in the last week or so, basically since we did the funeral for the Nam Palace. Because the week before that, and this is what I think people are forgetting, the week before that we were evacuating Delve and Quirius. And so we were telling corps and we were telling our members, be on your cadults, be in...
00:41:21 Delve, be ready to help defend this. When our guys sat down to do that mass pulling up of structures that were there, it was insane how many of them actually got yoinked out of space and into our hangars to secure them. It was pretty impressive. It's one of these cases of we've been officially greenlight the move after the...
00:41:48 Nonpalace died. That was a week ago today. It was basically a week ago now in real time. Our move fleets have been pinged out the last couple of days. It was a big holiday here in the US yesterday, but there were multiple fleets, Asher's running move op fleets, which, and I will admit, I didn't tell him this earlier, but I saw him ping a fleet and I was like, cool, there's going to be bridges. And I loaded up a whole bunch of freighters and get ready to undock when...
00:42:16 I realized there were no Bridgers in that fleet, and he was fleet warping, and he almost fleet warped all of my freighters to a gate, and that would have been bad with what they were loaded with. They're secure now, but it would have been really unpleasant at that point. And it's because I missed it, because there were multiple fleets that had been pinged, and I missed that Roe was doing the Bridger fleet, and Asher was doing the Travel fleet.
00:42:44 Ich weiß, dass es in den Chat gibt. Was in es ist, was in es ist, was in es ist, was in es ist. Wenn Asher hört, das ist, was er will, weil er will, wenn ich sage es, wenn ich sage es. Er liebt es, wenn ich sage es, wenn ich sage es, wenn ich sage es, wenn ich sage es, wenn ich sage es, wenn ich sage es, wenn ich sage es, wenn ich sage es, wenn ich sage es, wenn ich sage es, wenn ich sage es, wenn ich sage es, wenn ich sage es, wenn ich sage es, wenn ich sage es, wenn ich sage es, wenn ich sage es, wenn ich sage es, wenn ich sage es, wenn ich sage es, wenn ich sage es.
00:43:13 um that's your original question there sorry about your original question like how how's it been going um you know we're moving thousands of people like thousands of real people tens of thousands of alts and ships and everything we're we're kind of we're not slow rolling this because it's keep star chain super easy to do but we've told our guys we got we got time
00:43:38 This is not like what we did with Brave two weeks ago where we're trying to get everything out in a few days. This is a Keepstar chain. You can sit there. We're going to put Titans on it. We're going to bridge people. You know, it's all good. So it's been a lot of people are moving. It's about the same number in UALX as CJ right now. But there's three move up fleets when I looked an hour ago.
00:44:05 Es ist ein paar Leute, ein paar Sachen zu verändern.
00:44:13 I was just saying, I gotta get my stuff moved. Yeah, but come on. You don't move yet. When he joined Goons, he got his friends to move his stuff into DALF. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa. This is a colleague Keith's throwdown for his lack of knowledge. I'd like to point out, that was the caveat of him joining Goons. Was A, he lost the Alliance Tournament, which he did in spectacular fashion. And B, we moved his stuff.
00:44:40 But anyway, I think the opinion from the line is really optimistic as well now, because they're loving the idea of more fleet fights. And I think we'll also see a return at the times where Corpse would go out and actually do some fleet fights as well and have fun. Whereas Dalve got a bit stagnant, quite a bit.
00:45:01 I agree, and I hope that's the case. The line right now seems like they're enthusiastic for it. I mean, nobody wants to move again, like we said. But when it's like, well, yeah, you can do that, and then all you have to do is just metaphorically reach over the fence, you can punch Horde in the face. Most goons are pretty on board with that. Which I think brings us to our next point here.
00:45:27 What do we think is next on the warfront here with how it stands? Like, considering to your point, we can punch Horde in the face. And I know this might get into, like, hey, I don't want to reveal our future plans or anything else like that, but can we expect the Imperium us going in and starting to, well, punch them in the face now?
00:45:49 Well, being on the border, that's kind of the whole point there, Heath, is that we can do that. Now, as Asher has said in more than one ping, it takes two people to fight. We can bring a fleet in there, and if they don't undock, we're going to ref some shit. But we can't force them into a fleet fight. We can be there. We can start shooting their shit. But if they don't undock and fight us, there's not much we can do about that.
00:46:15 I mean, the dream is mutual face punching today and always, right? Like, our face is here. Please, don't punch it.
00:46:24 Usual face punching, yes. 100%, I think that is the dream. Ideally, where we just do more face punching than them, and our face looks better at the end of it, right? Yeah, I mean, Eve is, as I mentioned earlier, Eve is horribly dull in peacetime. And so if we can get out there and we can do stuff, you know.
00:46:47 all of our allies are there and then horde is all there too and we've got 2000 nerds smashing each other with battleships or dreads or whatever it is that we're using that's a good day oh yeah we might get a huge srp bill that the finance guys are unhappy about that's one of the hats that dave because we are talking about wearing too and we'll look at that bill we go oh shit but our guys are happy
00:47:16 Es ist nur ISK, es ist nur Spacepixels. Aber das macht EVE Spaß, ist zu sein und zu tun das. Ich bin in der Industrie, seit ich angefangen habe, EVE. Ich habe keine Industrie-Storien. Ich habe On-The-Fleets-Storien. Ich war in BTAC-R. Ich war in die Sieges of 1DQ und all of das, wenn wir in der 1-Constellation waren. Das sind die Storien.
00:47:43 You don't get a story of, oh man, Dave, I built my Rifter. It's not a story, right? It's not a story of it. It's like when I went to FanFest, you know, they have the wall of events in EVE. And I was there with a friend that doesn't play EVE. And I walked along, got to M2, and went, I outstart that. Yay. I don't...
00:48:12 Yeah, I've built hundreds of titans. I don't care about that. It's on the wall, you know? And I always say this to people. We have people in ASCII that go, well, I just do industry. Somebody literally went, I just do industry. Why do we have to keep going to war? So how are you going to sell the stuff that you make with your industry if nobody goes to war? What are you going to do with it? It's like, oh, well, people will be ratting. And doing what?
00:48:41 Ja, die Leute sind nicht R&I's. Ja, genau. Da ist keine Partie in R&I's. Da ist keine Partie in R&I's. Da ist keine Partie in R&I's. Da ist keine Partie in R&I's.
00:48:57 Somebody said in the chat, there's someone who doesn't understand not spending your money and accumulating wealth. And Melodrama there, I can agree with you. I spend my ISK mostly on ships to give other people and go out and take fleets out. I haven't taken fleets out recently, and that's on me, but something I plan on doing in the future because I have a couple fun doctrines that I put together. Hopefully we can take out and go punch Horde or probably get punched at, one of the two. Seeps, how much do you got in your personal wallet? I'm curious.
00:49:27 Asking for a friend. I mean, FCs are normally poor. I am very poor. That's where I'm getting. I have to be the poorest autocrat for sure. I could loan you five bucks. Oh, please. It's so true, though. She's one of mine and is one of those players that just in vapor. I can't tell you how many people are like, I don't have money. It's like, whatever. Let's pool resources, make it happen. Because it's just it's constant.
00:49:56 We are the worst crabs. So that will probably be our biggest adjustment with the move. But I'm thinking about this Warfront thing. And what I'm excited for is watching P-Horde change their game state right now to React. That's what I'm waiting for. And they haven't done it yet. But I'm really excited to see them change how they're doing things. Because I am. And I've only been here two weeks. They can't sit there and rely on Pan Crab.
00:50:25 All day. Anymore. They will actually have to form fleets. To stop people. Whereas before. They were so deep in drone lands. That they could just rely on anything that was coming into their space. Could be dealt with by their redeemers and their supers. But say. The Imperium decide. Oh you know what let's go have some fun. And jump into GQ with all of our fleets. Dropping a super fleet on that. Ain't necessarily the brightest idea. Especially if Serpedius is about. Because there's probably dreads the other side of the gate.
00:50:53 Und ich denke, ich kann für alle RLCs sagen, bitte, du drop deine Supers. Ja, du es. Es ist wie früher, eigentlich. Ich war ein Stream, ich war ein Battleship, und wir hatten zwei Balgorns. Wir forceden BfL, die Horde Version, zu bringen in einen Fax, weil der Fax war in danger, weil wir komplett sucked der Fax dry und wir über die Kille haben. Und das bringt mich eine Frage. Wir sprechen über Caps und jemand sagt, drop in Supers.
Auswirkungen von Änderungen und Strategien im Krieg
00:51:14
00:51:22 And with the recent update, and I'm going to go back to some of our SC Roundtables, I'm sure you've heard this discussion and these suppositions. I know Roths has been on one of them. We've talked a little bit with Cipedes about it. But do we think Legion changes the playstyle a little bit in how we approach this war? I know we said we're excited with Horde and how they're going to approach things. Does Legion go out there and say, no, we're going to drop Supers more because they got tankier?
00:51:47 We're going to drop X, Y, and Z or use battleships more. Just curious what the group's thoughts are on that. I would say that with supers coming back in a way that they used to be, right?
00:52:02 ist, dass sie jetzt tatsächlich ein Nuclear Deterrent sind. Sie sind ein Weapon of Mass Destruction. Sie können all die Dread Bombs auswählen. Aber Dreads können immer noch sein, um die Super-Umbrellas zu verändern und suchen für einen guten Hit. Aber die Gameplay? Nein, es wird immer wieder sein. Ich meine, Horde zurückgekehrt zu Maelstrom. Und Fraternity zurückgekehrt zu Hax.
00:52:25 People always go back to what they feel comfortable with, you know, because the big blocks have big bills. And so they go with the safest N plus one option that they can. Low utility, low pilot skill, press one button, engage. So you won't see it unless you have an alliance that forces itself to change, right? Like get out of the rokes, get out of the boring stuff, do something different. And if it fails, cool, try something else until it works.
00:52:54 Es ist wirklich die Boring-Meta. Wenn die Allianzas sich ändern können, dann sehen wir viele coolen Veränderungen. Aber wenn sie zufrieden sind, dass die Robes sind, und die Pilot-Skill ist low, und jeder kann einen bekommen, dann haben wir das gleiche Paradigm, wie wir immer hatten. So, ja, Leute müssen zu sein und versuchen etwas anders. Das ist wahr, es ist. Es ist wirklich so, wenn es die letzte Mal jemand kommt? Ich bin, ich bin, F-C-ing in diesem Spiel.
00:53:21 Ich glaube, es ist auch eine neue Sache, was es lustig zu versuchen. Es ist irgendwie weird, nicht zu sehen, dass das jetzt passiert. Und so ich hoffe, dass ich mehr sehen. Ich glaube, auch, dass die Verbrauchungen nicht mehr passieren können. Ich glaube, auch, dass die Verbrauchungen nicht mehr passieren können.
00:53:50 Ich bin sehr sicher, warum Horde die Maelstroms mit ihren Vokes ist, weil sie nicht die Wokes für die Vokes konnten. Weil sie alle und ihre Grandmöte sind mit Vokes. Und jederzeit wir die Voke-Fleet haben, wir würden die Voke-Fleet wegnehmen und nehmen sie mit uns. Also, sie haben die Woke-Fleet.
00:54:10 They're also a fair counter for the Vulture and FNI meta, right? Because those things are the size of planets when they turn on their micro-warp drive. You can throw anything at it and it'll hit. And that's what the Maelstroms are for. Their range is not there to compete with battleships. It's there to compete with the Vulcan.
00:54:30 Und so, like, that kind of thing, right? Like, people get pushed in these holes, and you're like, how do I get out of them? And you have to, how do you counter in plus one mitigation, a whole bunch of other things, right? You have to think about that and come up with cool, ingenuitive things. Fly unmeta, unorthodox meta, that's meta. That's great. Like, we fly gilas that have rapid light.
00:54:54 um missile launchers to fight nano shitters and and other groups have different things like use ecm and utility other people don't do that yeah what is like go ahead dave i get the thing that horde soon will find themselves in the position goons did um a few years back where they have to fight a slightly overwhelming force especially if you know fat keep poking them in the north while we're doing our thing um
00:55:20 so they're gonna have to adjust what they do rather than just throwing numbers at the problem because they may on paper have the numbers but how many of those numbers are actually all of our olds you know um or people not logging in so that they're gonna need to adjust and and stop with the that's just for as many fleets as possible because it's not working there's a tip horde in my next question is is we talk about
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Diskussion über kulturelle Probleme und mögliche CCP-Änderungen
00:56:1000:56:10 So, do you think this is more of a cultural issue with just the mindset of some leadership in the game? Or is it something maybe CCP can do from a mechanic standpoint to drive some change there and get a little variety as doctrines get fielded?
00:56:31 Ja, go ahead. As somebody who has to supply thousands of hulls to Guggenstorm, one of the things that's hard with shifting things around is the supply issues I just mentioned. We've got people who are brand new up to the old bitter vets who can fly everything.
00:56:58 Back in the day, they were Drakes. That's a classic FC, can I bring my Drake? I come from that fleet fight environment in 2012, whenever that was. CZB will shift something. Our fitting guys will look at it and go, okay, this would be awesome. We look at it and we're like, yes, that would be great. Can I, Ranger, get 5,000 of them? No.
00:57:26 We've got to have that line, and that's where we get some of our other groups who are here who are a little bit smaller, but they can specialize with it, and they can do cool shit like that. And it's like, all right, Goon Swarm's going to sit here, and we're going to just eat this fleet so that everybody else can be sitting there and just go, all right, while you're shooting and punching the Goons, we are going to just F up your day. And Goons do that. They will sit there and meet Grind, and you're like,
00:57:55 Why are you doing this? It's like, well, because it's fun. It's like, it's like what, um, I think the other, it's like what Seeks just said. Uh, the Maelstrom students may be great at hitting, uh, vultures and such, but from the last fleet fight I FC'd, there was then Sigma and me with Ravens on the outside.
00:58:22 Und es geht nicht darum, wie viel sie sind, denn wir sind fünfmal die ganze Zeit, denn wir sind einfach nur Alpha-ing.
00:58:29 ...teamwork. Und dann in Goons as well, wir haben die SIGs, die können immer die Spaß machen, so es ist nicht wie Goons missen die Fun Nightmares und Vargas und Jangoos, you know? Ja, ich bin ja, all die cool Sachen Sigma macht, ich sit und look at es, ich bin nicht der Fleet Commander.
00:58:55 Und dann ist es, oh, okay.
00:59:23 Sigma tend to get scary because I've seen a full Sigma Nightmare Fleet before. But it's so... Who's actually gonna...
00:59:33 Answer your question about what change, like could CCP make a change? And maybe at the goon size, like there's things you can't do. You're not going to get all the goons into bargs, for example. The numbers just don't work with how many exist and how many you'd want. But I think honestly, they just kind of made one of the biggest changes that they could make in terms of moving the meta around with the tweaks to Logi suddenly implying that like.
E-War als Schlüssel zur Bekämpfung von Nano-Taktiken und Logistik-Überlegenheit
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00:59:59 You're really sabotaging yourself a little bit if you're not looking into meaningful E-War to fight Logi. And if you're only, only trying to fight Logi with N plus one and trying to, you know, just outnumber bad application. That's why we brought that huge jam wing that I think Ranger's alluding to when we had to fight. I most definitely was. That was the funniest thing.
01:00:25 Yeah, we shut down. And I think you can see that it's effective, right? Like, that does bear up to huge numbers, or at least are increasingly big numbers, that you can scale that stuff up. Yeah, 100%. I'd love to see more. I'd love to see E-War, and I can tell you, being on the other side of it and fighting groups and that kind of thing, being the Nano guy that used to go into people's block space, the biggest counter to Nano is recons and E-War.
01:00:52 You bring that, they're not going to want to play with you. I'm just going to tell you that right now. For everybody listening, if you want it, you get complained about NanoGuys. Stop trying to bring out your Varger and your Battleship and your Hack or whatever it may be. Bring in a Razoo with Dance. Bring a Falcon with Jams, whatever it may be. Jams aren't good. Dance are pretty effective. Definitely bring some long webs and the NanoGuys aren't going to want to fight you. They're going to yell at you and local. You'll get some salt and have some fun. So that'd be my best advice already there.
01:01:21 Ich wollte sagen, dass es ein paar sehr spezifische Sachen ist, weil ich das so, wenn man sich um, wenn man sich um, wenn man sich um, wenn man sich um, wenn man sich um, wenn man sich um, wenn man sich um, wenn man sich um, wenn man sich um, wenn man sich um, wenn man sich um, wenn man sich um, wenn man sich um, wenn man sich um, wenn man sich um, wenn man sich um, wenn man sich um, wenn man sich um, wenn man sich um, wenn man sich um, wenn man sich um, wenn man sich um, wenn man sich um, wenn man sich um, wenn man sich um, wenn man sich um, wenn man sich um, wenn man sich um, wenn man sich um, wenn man sich um, wenn man sich um, wenn man sich um, wenn man sich um, wenn man sich um, wenn man sich um, wenn man sich um, wenn man sich um, wenn man sich um, wenn man sich um, wenn man sich um, wenn man sich
Verbesserungsvorschläge für Schiffe und Waffen
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01:01:49 What I'm not a fan of with Surgical Strike is the gap between T1 holes and T2 holes. And I'd love to see that gap become a little bit smaller. I think it would help. I would love to see combat recons. You were talking about E-War. I'd love to see combat recons get a little bit of a tank buff. Only for the sense of I would love to see...
01:02:13 Tracking Disruptors on a Curse Hall or something similar being used appropriately. Those are the things that I'd lean into. And honestly, I'd love to see Command Ships get nerfed back into what they originally were. I don't think people being in Command Ships right now as a Mainline Doctrine feels right to me. But maybe it's just a nerf to a Vulture.
01:02:36 I mean, you're looking at a whole ship class that one is the big one, Slutner is probably your next one, and then everything else is kind of meh, and Eos kind of got nerfed. So it's those two. That seems like a disparity to me. Just to answer you clearly, like those are the things I would love to see change right now. Yeah, no, I appreciate it. Please, please buff Megathron Navy's damage. Why isn't FNI doing as much as a Megathron Navy? 100%.
01:03:05 Stop. They need to increase some of the midline battleships damage application and stuff like that, because they're just unusable. You can't even use them for fun anymore. It's just like, oh, well, fly Nightmares or Barbs if you want to get outside or ambush your enemy. And then, like Goon's case, yeah, you need a Doctrine in line sometimes.
01:03:28 It just gets really boring. They need to spice up. Like the base damage multiplier on beam weapons when they're not on Nightmare Hole. Same thing with rail. For battleships that require rail, they just do anemic damage. It's really bad. Or it's damage locked, so you can tank it. I'm going to do my usual make service is great again.
01:03:54 Don't know. Give them more range. Give them their range back. Make Cerberus is great again and I'll be happy. You won't even see me on Grid, mainly because I'll be 200 kilometers away from you. I am so glad the Munin and Cerb meta is not a thing anymore. Great change. No, I'll just do it in Ravens instead. No, you do it in Ruptures and you watch Arcadius. Ruptures are quite... Oh my lord.
01:04:21 Yeah, that was embarrassing for them. I was going to mention it on here. I'm sorry. It was a fun battle report. I love somebody saying that I want to sit here and fight. I'm more than happy to, as a lot of people in this chat have seen, run a fleet headfirst into another one and not give a crap. Ranger may not on the finance side, but yeah, I think we need to...
01:04:49 Start wrapping it up there though. Should we go through some final thoughts, guys? Seeps? Yeah, any final parting gifts for our viewers today?
Abschließende Gedanken: Spaß am Spiel, Vielfalt und Engagement
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01:05:02 Yeah, I guess, you know, just get out there and have fun. You know, if you lose ships, you lose ships. You know, you can always make more money. Stop dogpiling, people. That's, like, the lamest thing that's happened in the last five years, where big blocks trying to buy smaller blocks to, like, shield wall. Stop doing that. Just stop. Like, it's lame and renting. Stop doing that, too. Just enjoy the game, man. Have fun. I'm tired of this. Keep logging in. Like, I'm with him. Like, keep logging in. Keep fighting.
01:05:31 Go join people like OnlyFleets right now. I'm a shameless plug. They're doing the thing right now. There's a couple others over there. Go hit them up. All these small groups. Or join a block. Do whatever you want. Just play the game. Join it. Just get involved. If you're sitting in high sec and want to fight some stuff, join a no sec group. A lot of them are set up to help new people as well.
01:06:01 Come out and have the fun. You can still do stuff in HiSec, but, you know, get involved in those big history-making fights. You're still offering feed pics for joining you, though, right, Dave? Always. Okay. That's just blown my mind. Did you already say yours? Sorry, that just really confused me. Yeah, Ava's question now.
01:06:30 Did we already do this? Did we? I don't know. I jumped in there. Okay. I was happy. He's right. Play the game. And there is people out there who aren't related to the blocks. Trust me. And a lot of them are in Delve right now. Go get involved. They're really good peeps. And if not there, join somewhere else. Please play the game. It's not that bad. I heard ASCII is recruiting.
01:06:59 That is in a block, for those of you who don't know. Yeah. Ranger.
01:07:04 No, I'm just going to... I know Steve said he didn't want people dogpiling, but I'm just going to dogpile. They're all right, my fellow guests here. I mean, if you're not... Like, Eve will only survive, the blocks will only survive, all of our corps will, if we get new people joining us. And it's the most classic of things. We've got to have new people playing the game, or the game's not going to exist. And there are still new people joining it.
01:07:32 New people joining every corp, every block all the time. So yeah, just go out there and enjoy what you're doing. Maybe once you try something, you go, oh, well, I hated that. Not going to do that again. Okay, there's a lot of things to do in EVE. There's stuff that I don't do anymore unless one of the directors comes to me, totally not Dave, and is like, hey, I need you to fix this. I'm like, oh, I don't want to deal with that.
01:08:00 In fact, I have to do one of those tonight because I promised one of the other directors I would deal with something that I don't want to do, but he asked me to. You just go out and find something that you enjoy doing, whatever that something is in EVE. Yeah, I'm probably one of Ranger's most annoying co-op directors because rather than going to Kremlin where we're meant to go, I just go PM him. Why beat around the bush when you could just message the person? It does usually save a little bit of time.
01:08:27 Quite a bit. I won't deny that. H-Dub.
01:08:34 Yeah, man, I would say, honestly, appreciate how good things are right now for a minute because we're a bunch of problem solvers and sometimes we focus on problems a lot. Things are actually looking pretty awesome compared to where they were two years ago right now. Like we caught some good patches. There's some stuff that could be more awesome about them, but the state of things is in like a more interesting place than it has been in a while.
01:09:00 So it really is a time to savor and get out there and do the crazy thing.
01:09:06 That's a really good point there. We had some patches in 22, 23 that were not great. And then 24 and 25, we've got some really good updates and patches where not only just among our command team, but just our line has been like, okay, I get it. I can see what we're doing and what the next step is going to be.
01:09:35 Und so, ja, ich denke, das ist ein excellentes Punkt da.
01:09:39 Ja, und wenn jemand hier in der Chat in der Chat ist, ist es heute, ich werde es auf das und handeln es auf zu dir, Dave, zu close uns aus. Aber fühle free zu reach out zu mir. Ich bin in den ganzen kleinen Gruppen, das kind of thing, bevor ich mit einem guten Freund in den Imperium habe, so ich definitiv weißen Leute und kann mich in die richtige Richtung, wenn ein Block ist nicht für dich. Oder wenn du Fragen hast, wie ich ein Small Gang habe, fühle free zu reach out zu mir. Keith Stone und Shalom.
01:10:05 Kies, mein go-to, this person's not a leader of a nullset block. I have no idea who they are. That's right. So, on that, thank you for watching. You've been watching The Meta Show. I know it's been very goon this, goon that, but if anybody is watching from other blocks and would like to come on The Meta Show on the INN channel, we're more than welcome to hear your side of things. Just reach out. For those... I can't talk a typo. For those interested, you can check out...
01:10:34 The Imperium News Channel, which does a variety of content and there's a variety of people streaming on it. And it's where we are every Saturday. The link's posted and check out the Discord if you'd like to further discuss what's been taught on the stream as well. The Discord has a...
01:10:56 Word, sorry, got distracted by a message to me. Has a channel to chat in there. And until then, goodbye. Fireforge, if you want to raid our buddy. We're going to go visit someone that's been mentioned on the stream.