[EN] Research Bureau Breakdown with Boggy
World of Warships: Research Bureau Schiffe im Fokus – Tier List Bewertung
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Im Fokus stehen die Research Bureau Schiffe in World of Warships. Eine Tier List bewertet Schiffe wie Brennus, Colbert, Druid und Gibraltar hinsichtlich Effektivität. Die Ohio wird als S-Tier Schiff hervorgehoben, während die Slava analysiert wird. Auch Hector, Hull und Illinois werden diskutiert.
World of Warships
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00:00:00 Untertitelung. BR 2018
00:07:28 Das war ich.
00:08:04 You can't hear the right guy? That would be you. Alright. We are not Lesta. We are not Lesta. We are not the same company. We are not going to comment on Lesta. Because they are not. Again, not our company.
00:08:29 Just in case you guys, Mir Karaboli and World of Warships are not the same product. Just in case the last however many years hasn't been sufficiently obvious enough. Just gonna throw that out there. Museum event was great. Thank you. You're welcome, Green Monster. Thank you. We had a great time doing it. Legionnaire did an incredible job. So did Tanitoy, I think his name is. I don't see his in-game name very often. Tanitoy and Marco Valentec, who joined us as well.
00:08:59 They did a great job of getting this year set up properly. What did you find out there, Lord Geishu? Lord Geishu-Bri? Lord Geishu-Bri. Ah, very good. The old camera off trick.
Research Bureau Ships Tier List
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00:09:16 So today, what we're going to be doing is we're going to be playing Research Bureau ships. Last week we had a good time playing Steel ships. We in fact made a tier list. Two separate tier lists in fact. One of what we thought were the best overall ships in terms of power level and effectiveness. And then a second list that was the most fun ships. I almost said the funnest. Like an idiot. But the most fun ships. Oh this Wooster. Oh please.
00:09:45 Stay there let buggy have this buggy needs it
00:09:55 Es ist nicht ideal, aber... Okay, das könnte man besser sein. Ich sollte den Ever-Loving-Shit aus dem Mann. Aber ich war einfach so slightly... Die Schellen auf der Gibraltar sind nicht super fast. So, uh... Well, sie sind awesome, wenn sie connect. Weil sie haben Short Fusen und sie sind BIG. Aber du musst du in den richtigen Platz.
00:10:21 Is the new kiddo allowing Boggy and Spouse to get a full night's sleep yet? She did for a while. Thank you for asking. Very nice of you. Much appreciated. Yes, Boggy and Mrs. Boggy had a baby. It's called Baby Boggy. My wife calls her Baby Boggy, which, by the way, which I will never not find funny. Oh, that 17,000 damage to a Barbie on. Guys, I don't know if you realize this, but the coolest thing that the Gibraltar does is just absolutely annihilate Destroyers.
00:10:50 Like, the cruiser-caliber guns and the short fuse shells mean that you are doing full damage with AP. Oh, look at that! He's at a thousand hit points! Amazing. Sorry, guys, that you're having this trouble.
00:11:23 This is the buff, and the buff made it struggle. Zero. I'll tell you what, I'm just going to play the game. You got no mic? I don't have mic right now. We're going to let this guy talk. I'm not a talker, you know that.
00:11:41 Oh, okay, sorry about that. Maybe after this match, we can work something out where we can take a look. Sorry, guys, we set up this room here, our streaming room. We set it up to record voice lines yesterday, and we had to screw around with our soundboard and the microphone, so we may have misplaced something. My guess is what happened is we plugged your mic back in in a different slot, so all of the scenes in OBS right now are just looking for the wrong slot. That's my guess.
00:12:10 My uneducated Boggy guess. But yeah, my wife calls our little kid Baby Boggy. And at seven weeks, she started sleeping through the night, which is pretty cool. But now at 14 weeks, she's kind of stopped. She wakes up every three to four hours again. She's uncomfortable. She's hungry. She wants to talk about the stock market and her options. And it's like, bro. She's like, in this economy, you think I'm trusting you with my stocks? And I'm like, I'd trust me. And she's like, no.
00:12:40 absolutely not he's like you didn't buy Nvidia in the dip I was like I know rookie mistake who would have thought computer chips would be such a big deal right right
00:12:56 No one could have seen that coming. You will get gray hairs pretty soon. Nah. Nah. My dad, he didn't get gray hairs until he was like 60-something. And I'm only 50-something. I'm kidding, I'm 40. I'm kidding, I'm 40.
00:13:17 But anyway, so what we're going to do today, even though Gaishu has no microphone at the moment, we'll get that sorted out if we can. What we're going to do is we're going to do a tiering, just like the Steel Ships. We're going to do it for Research Bureau Ships this time, which was fun because to be completely honest with you guys, I had kind of forgotten what the Research Bureau Ships were. I purchased them all. I've played all, but I think one of them. But, you know, I just don't play them that often. So it was sort of a...
00:13:43 Oh, das! Oh, okay! Das wird Spaß! Wir hatten eine wirklich gute Zeit tiering die Steelships. Das hat eine Menge Spaß gemacht. Nichts, Mann-With-No-Mic? Gosh, der Name ist Mann-With-No-Mic, jetzt. Oh, crap! Well, hello, Archerfish. Oh, no! Boggy got Citadel'd by Wisconsin. Son of a bitch!
00:14:14 Wisconsin, no. This isn't what you want to do. You don't. You don't want to do that. This is not the vibe. This is not the vibe, dog. I guess there's a Sherman right in front of me. That needs a shellacking. I think I'm close enough now where even if he just derps me with all of these tarps, which he completely missed. Nice. Even if he derps me with all of them, I don't think he can kill me.
00:14:45 Man, this is... This is uncomfy. I think I still get this Archerfish no matter what. Even if he drops the Torps here, I don't think he's got enough... No, that was minimum damage. Okay. Well...
00:15:09 Das ist ein Tragedy. Das ist ein National Tragedy.
Diskussion über die Gibraltar
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00:15:23 Okay, well, Rock of Gabraltar lives. Yes, for those of you that don't know, the Gabraltar is one of my favorite research spearships and everybody hates it. I think maybe I like it so much just because everybody hates it. Those of you who don't know me very well may not realize that I'm actually an extraordinarily disagreeable person. I really like to argue and I like to debate. And if you're like, I hate the Gabraltar, there's nothing good about it. I'm like, I think that just became my best friend.
00:15:53 The Gibraltar became my new best friend. Well, the guns, for the most part, the guns are big. They are the .254s, right, if I'm not mistaken? They're the big old British guns. And because of that, they actually will overmatch quite a bit. They'll overmatch light cruisers. And more importantly, I would say, they have short fuses on their AP shells, of which it only has AP shells. So that means...
00:16:18 You can put AP Shells into a Destroyer, as we did earlier, and you can reliably get full pens on those Destroyers. For those of you who have never seen Gibraltar Shells full pen a Destroyer, it is an absolute bloodbath. There are 12 of them. They do huge amounts of damage. They're just awesome. So...
00:16:42 Ja, wie Sie gesagt haben, Sie können zwei-schotzen. Er ist nicht jokin. Wir zwei-schotzen das Barbiano an den Beginn des Spiel. Er war nicht leidendlich sein Leben. Es war ein Schmerz für ihn. So, die bad news about es ist, es hat die gleiche Hull als ein Goliath. Aber es ist ein guter Hull. Es ist ein guter Hull. Es ist ein schönes Hull. Es ist ein schönes Hull. Es ist ein glückliches Hull. Aber es hat...
00:17:09 Ja, die Armour Belt ist okay.
00:17:18 Ja, es hat eine 40mm deck. Ja, die Belt ist okay. Aber wirklich, das ist einfach, von Destroyers und Kruisers. Es ist nicht von Battleships, für die meisten Part. Um... Die GOOD NEWS ist, dass du... Du hast... Du hast... Du hast... Du hast... Du hast... Du hast... Du hast... Du hast... Du hast... Du hast... Du hast... Du hast... Du hast... Du hast... Du hast...
00:17:48 that often you can't really make optimal use of it by shooting through it. No, no, damn it! You saw that, right? Son of a bitch. I drifted into it. Who dropped the deep waters? That's the big question. Oh, it's the Yu Yang that I can't see, right? So I'm going to wait 15 seconds, I'm going to drop a smoke here, and then I'm going to absolutely obliterate this Cerberus.
00:18:19 Maybe I'll just do it now. So before Gaisu gets... Before Gaisu gets turned inside out. So like for example, we can hit this Shikishima in the upper belt. Oh, Gaisu's a filthy border humper. We can put quite a bit of damage into... Oh, he's got... Damn it. I don't think it's going to hit because he got beached.
00:18:47 Oh, okay. Let me see if I can... Son of a bitch. There's five hits. That's 8,000 on the Shiki, just in the upper hall. Well, I can't see anything now. There, I'm gonna spot that in-comp for you. Like a hero.
00:19:13 I think he is too. Here, I'm gonna... I'm gonna be a hero and take a shot. That's what the heroes do. And protect their guy's shoes. Smile! Boop! Yeah, I got splattered.
00:19:46 Still a warrior time? See this, guys? This is what Unicums do. They ride the wall. They ride the wall until they get burned out by HEs. Okay. Chat, meet me in the locker room. We're going to have a little talk. Add border damage.
00:20:16 Kaisu, even though you're not on camera, or mic, what's your solution to the border problem? Do you like how I phrased that? Yeah, border in the game. So, we have to define a problem. I'm going to say that people don't like the fact that if you ride the wall, it makes it difficult to shoot you. Partly because the way that the auto-aim works is it will predict your path based on your...
00:20:45 Was ist die Lösung für die Spieler confounded von diesem Problem?
00:21:08 Give it 10 seconds, let them slow down, and then shoot at them. Yes, for those of you that don't know, ships that get stuck on the border lose their engine power very, very, very quickly, which then makes it extraordinarily difficult to actually get off the border and often requires them to turn completely broadside to you in order to get off the border. While that may be frustrating, only a few ships can make good use of that. Most of them just get burned down and killed. So there you have it.
00:21:37 So I'm going to chat with you guys for a little bit while Gaisu fixes his mic. Humping the border should increase your dispersion. It's not the worst thing. It's not a bad idea. Great achievement in the Gibraltar. We just set a world record. Everything. Gibraltar actually has really good like the performance of it in terms of how players play it. It's pretty high. I'm not going to lie. Like you guys saw I basically two shot of Barbiano and the Barbiano has like 40,000 HP for a destroyer.
Koop-Modus und Aufträge
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00:22:08 OldBlackDog says, Are you going to answer my question? I didn't see your question. Hello, Beasley. Am I a youngster? I'm 40. I don't feel that young. OldBlackDog said... Brother, your question's like a million years old. In the new Narvik to Dunkirk missions, Mission 6 is impossible in co-op. Was this intentional? Not all missions available for rewards are going to be...
00:22:37 co-op compatible. This is just the reality because the game is not designed to be played primarily in co-op. It is a playstyle that many players choose to do. And by the way, that's totally fine. Lots of players do it that way. I've met some of them in person and what they usually tell me is...
00:22:56 You know, man, when I get home from work, all I want to do is crack open a beer or pour a glass of whiskey and just shoot some bots. And dude, do I get that. I really do get that. So, um, I understand why people still who do that want to participate in missions, but sometimes there are, sometimes there are just missions where you have to hop into randoms to complete it. And that's just the way it's going to be.
00:23:29 Of course, Wargaming does not care that you play co-op. No, it's totally fine to play co-op only. Lots of people do it, and there's nothing wrong with it. Co-op is polite society, yeah. Aha. That's interesting.
00:23:54 Nor do I. I also don't know shit about that soundboard. It's a very nice soundboard we have, and I don't know how to use it personally. I need to learn, but, uh...
00:24:05 You know that's a pseudo BS answer and position. What, that it's totally okay for players to play mostly in co-op? I think that's a great answer. Guys, fundamental rule of generally video games, but it can be applied much more broadly. You get to choose how you want to interact with the game and how you want to get the most enjoyment out of it. If the most enjoyment you get out of the game is by playing co-op only, then that's great. You can totally do that.
00:24:31 It may not mean that you're able to participate in everything that we put in the game to be accomplished. That's just the reality. The game is designed to, you know, some of the things are for co-op, some things are for random, some things are for clan battles. If you choose not to participate in all of the game, you may not be able to participate in all the events. That's just reality. But it's up to you. If personal agency and freedom is a cop-out answer, then I don't know what is. So there you have it.
00:25:06 Yes, I will start it on it myself. Do you want to come over here and snuggle on my microphone? Yeah, I don't blame you.
00:25:19 Okay, I'm going to start on it, and then I'm going to go ahead and start on the Research Bureau points, and when we get to, like, we'll figure it out. Would you do me a favor and throw to, I guess, my screen? Hey, there we go. Tearmaker. Thank you, Tearmaker. Not just, Tearmaker, not just Disney movies from the 70s anymore, Tearmakers.
00:25:48 Remember when Disney movies used to make kids cry because they were about hard lessons in life and whatnot? Now they're basically just candy. Anyway, what we're going to be doing right now is we're going to be doing the tiering list for Research Bureau ships. First, we're going to be doing effectiveness. This is how good we feel, Gaishu and I feel, these Research Bureau ships are as compared to all other ships of their tier, for the most part. We had a good time doing steel last week, so we're going to do Research Bureau now.
00:26:15 So, the first one. I have to actually pull up my list here. The first one, if I'm not mistaken. Hey, come here. First one is going to be, I think this is Brennus. The first is Brennus followed by Colbert and then Druid. Okay, cool. So, Brennus. This is, again, this is effectiveness. I want to put... Effectiveness, by the way, guys. Whoops. Effectiveness means generally how good of a choice.
00:26:45 In how many situations the ship is. So for example. Austin in Steel. We actually rated it quite low. I think we rated it C tier. In terms of effectiveness. Because really it just is a filthy damage farmer. With some fun things. You can't start fights really. You just pick the right fight when the fight happens. And then you try really hard to win that fight. But it was top tier for fun. Because it's so much fun to play. So realistically it's how.
00:27:12 How frequently it can be used, how broadly it can be applied, and how effective it is when it's applied. So with Brennus, I'm leaning towards A or B tier. I think I'm going to go with A tier, mainly because the Brennus has incredible guns. The Brennus is armed with, albeit a few of them, seven 305mm guns with totally amazing ballistics.
00:27:38 I love heavy cruisers with great AP shells. That's just my jam. Brennus is awesome in that regard. It's the hull of an Henri IV, but the guns of a Carno that are more accurate. It's very, very accurate. So, in terms of a flanker, it's really great. A flanker is a great choice for ship in general, because flankers have the ability to affect the match more so, I would say, than a damaged farmer. Now, you're, you know...
00:28:06 You're not going to be able to outfight a whole bunch of ships, but you have big shells, the shells have good HE penetration, and the AP shells when they catch a broadside are just amazing. Plus that, you're fast, you've got great range, and your ballistics are way better than Henri IV. So I'm going to put it at A. Geishu, do you have any issues putting Brennis at A in terms of competency? I would lean, personally, between A and B, just because I think it lacks that utility factor. I don't think Jack can hear me, but...
00:28:35 Geishu's saying that he's leaning towards B as he feels like it's limited by its utility factor. And he's correct about that. This is like a stabbing spear, I want to say. This isn't something that's going to dislodge ships. This is, I caught you, I'm going to smash you in the side. So, chat, give me an idea. What do you guys think? Help us decide between A and B tier. I'm leaning towards A, and Geishu's leaning towards B. What do you guys think? No.
00:29:04 Not D tier. Okay, I'm seeing B.
00:29:08 Is Geishu in the basement? You can barely hear him. No. Geishu is at the producer PC right now because he's trying to get his mic working correctly. I'm seeing mostly B tier. Okay. Fine. I will repent. Brennus is B tier. I think it's great. So when we do the fun list, it might be a little different. Okay. Next up is the Colbert. Now, again, the fun list.
00:29:34 I've noticed that a lot of the Research Bureau ships are probably going to be high on the fun list, because they really are fun. So, Colbert is one of the highest DPM ships in the game, in terms of HEDPM. It is also Destroyer Caliber. It is also made out of papier-mâché. A light breeze, a stiff breeze, or a light drink. Stiff drink or a light breeze. That's what I was trying to say. Damn. Stiff breeze or a stiff drink. Guys, help me.
00:30:01 Stiff drink, light breeze will explode the... Explode the... Stiff breeze? I guess so. I don't know. I'm an idiot. Stiff breeze. If you are John the Ruthless, our North American slash EUCC...
00:30:18 It's an S-Tier ship. However, most people will probably not be able to play the Colbert effectively, because it is the epitome of a glass cannon. It's very high DPM, high damage output, made of Fabergé. So, in terms of effectiveness, however, I will say this. We have seen Colbert used in King of the Seas. I think that in the very last match, TWA slash... What are they called now? I think they're still called TWA, right?
00:30:46 still twa okay they changed it into something at some point right 3x or something like that
00:30:52 They actually used a Colbert in the final match of King of the Sea one time, very effectively. But I'm going to say overall, in terms of effectiveness, this is a filthy damage farmer. I'm looking at B to C tier. It is super fun to play, but I'm looking B to C. Moment of truth, is the microphone on? Chat, help us out. Can you guys hear me?
00:31:20 Hoping for a yes, maybe no. Yes! Okay, well done, man. Wow, I suffered. I tortured myself, but we got it on. Okay, so I'm, with Colbert, I'm leaning B, possibly C tier, just because, for the most part, it can't instigate fights. It just outduels things with a hope and a prayer. Yeah, I mean, Colbert, it's just DPM, right? It just does a massive amount of damage per minute. Lul.
00:31:48 Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja.
00:32:15 I think if you can really play to the skill ceiling of the ship, it gets a little bit higher. But overall, I think it rates towards that C tier. True. I saw an Ostkonsen chat, and I also saw Lord Zath. Hello, gentlemen. Great to see you both. Okay, so this is the effectiveness tier list. This is not fun. Yes. Next up, we have the Druid. Ooh. So again, like I said, I think a lot of these are going to go in the fun.
00:32:41 They're going to be very fun, but not super effective. So Druid is a very interesting ship. Those of you that don't know it, Druid is a relatively large destroyer. Its AP-only guns are purely in the front, meaning it's aggressive. It has a long-duration, short-range Hydro. It has short-burst smoke and a very light heal, but it's AP-only.
00:33:03 Ja, es ist ähnlich wie in der Konsumbo-Setup zu der Daringen, wenn man nur zwei Tarts hat, wenn man nur zwei Tarts hat, wenn man nur auf die Front hat und man nur AP hat. Das ist halt so, wenn man, wenn man einen Minotaur hat, wenn man einen Minotaur hat, wenn man einen Minotaur hat, wenn man einen Minotaur hat, wenn man einen Minotaur hat, wenn man einen Minotaur hat, wenn man einen Minotaur hat, wenn man einen Minotaur hat, wenn man einen Minotaur hat, wenn man einen Minotaur hat, wenn man einen Minotaur hat, wenn man einen Minotaur hat, wenn man einen Minotaur hat, wenn man einen Minotaur hat, wenn man einen Minotaur hat, wenn man einen Minotaur hat.
00:33:30 mit gutemgeln. Es ist auch gut zu wissen, dass die AP auf der Druid hat sehr gut performance, besonders mit anderen Destroyer Gunn. Ich denke, es ist ziemlich ähnlich, in terms von Penetration und Ballistik, zu Klubair AP. Ja. Das ist ziemlich gut für ein Destroyer. Du kannst auch viel damage mit der Druid. Und wie du gesagt hast, es hat die Improved AP Penetration Angle, so Truisers wirklich haben zu minden, ihre Angle. Du musst beantre. Und so, du kannst Citadel things like a Minotaur, weil sie nicht genug sind. Aber, realistically...
00:33:59 It has a 6.4 concealment at best, which means you're not surprising many other destroyers that you can outfight. Really what you do...
00:34:08 Ich würde sagen, ich denke, Druid fallen in die Destroyer-Kategorie, das ich so call Second-Line-Destroyers. Du hast die Conceal-Kontest andere Spotter-Destroyers, wie der Darings, Schimas, Gearrings.
00:34:31 So, B, C, or D?
00:34:59 Look, I have a lot of love for the Druid. I think it's a superbly fun ship to play. I think if we're putting Colbert in C, I would also put Druid in C personally. I concur. Just because I don't think it's deep because it does outright win a lot of fights versus other destroyers or forces them to run away. And again, if you have a friendly destroyer to play with, it gets a lot better.
00:35:19 But like you're saying, I think there's a lot of situations where you just don't have the initiative to really start things. And if you have to open water versus like a cruiser, for example, you'll usually lose that. The cruiser is going to beat you up. So it has a lot of situations that it can really put out a lot of damage in, but otherwise is not as effective. It's true. It will win fights, but it does not start fights very well. So situational damage farmer tier like the Colbert. Yeah, I'm going to go with C tier as well.
00:35:44 Next up. D tier in chat. What? D for Druid? No. D for Druid? You guys are awful. C for Colbert, D for Druid? Yeah, fair enough. Next up, I know what chat's going to say, is Gibraltar. So, you'll notice something, guys, about arguably all four of these first few ships. Maybe not Brennus, but arguably...
00:36:08 None of these ships are really good at starting a fight. They are all sort of support ships in the sense of maybe they have great guns. Brennus has great guns. Gibraltar has great guns. Druid has great guns. Colbert, awesome guns. But none of them are really like, I know what I'm going to do. I'm going to start this fight and if the other person doesn't make the right decision, I'm just going to win. None of these ships will really do that. The Gibraltar has giant guns.
00:36:34 Relatively poor armor. Smoke.
00:36:40 Und ist AP-only kind of like Druid? Und nur hat Short Fuses mit Giant Guns? Es ist so weird. Ja, es ist ein sehr strange Schiff, wie du sagst. AP-only, aber die AP performance ist wirklich gut. Es hat ein sehr guter Pen, hat ein sehr Penetration Angles. So, du kannst wirklich chunken. Es kann eigentlich übermatch die Super Light Cruiser's Light Colbert. So, you'll do a ton of damage to those. Oder Minotaur, like, it'll just explode Minotaurs, which is kind of funny. Und again, if you catch a Destroyer out...
00:37:08 Because it's so short fuse and it has a pretty low arming threshold, it will just full-time destroyers and minus 12k them. I want you guys to know that it also has pretty good range. The ballistics are okay, but they're not amazing. It's very accurate. I managed to citadel a midway with like eight of the shells one time on stream here at like 18 kilometers.
00:37:29 The guns are not to be messed around with. And if you can't sit it on what you're shooting at, you can dump as many of those shells as possible into the superstructure and you won't overpen. You'll do pretty decent damage. So that being said, it's not an instigator. It's a very awkward ship to play to where you have a pretty bad firing angle on the third turret. So it can be hard to get all of your guns on target. It has the smoke, but it also has very large firing bloom from that smoke because of how large caliber the guns are.
00:37:57 So you have to be very careful with how you position. You don't really want to get caught in an open water fight versus battleships. Definitely not. Again, like we're seeing again with stuff like Colbert and Druid, it's situational, where you really need a lot of things to kind of align for you to really put out things. And I see he wants to go for the D tier. He wants to go for the D tier. And, you know...
00:38:18 I think that the main reason I want to choose D, I actually really, really like playing the Gibraltar. I really enjoy massive chunking salvos, and this can definitely lay those out. I think that there's always, no matter what you want to do with your cruiser, there's always a better choice. There's always something that does it better. Again, same kind of deal with all the ships so far, actually, where they're kind of like these primarily focused on dealing damage, right? They're damage dealers.
00:38:47 Und Brennus, ich denke, raits towards das B-Tür, weil es der Wetter-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water-Water
00:39:16 Ja, ich denke, ich würde sagen, es geht um die D-Tier. Oh, das ist die erste D-Tier. Ich sehe, wir haben einen John-The-Ruthless in die Chat mit den Kolber C-Ring. Warum ist Druid nicht D-Tier? John! Weil wir like Druid. Wir können nicht ein G-Tier für Gibraltar. Hallo, John, es ist toll zu sehen, bei der Wege. Das ist die Research Bureau, ich würde sagen, Combat Effectiveness.
00:39:43 We're going to make the fun, like the enjoyment tier list after this. But for right now, this is the effectiveness. And effectiveness, in our mind, is a broad thing. So to be A tier, S tier, ships, generally speaking, need to be able to instigate a battle. They need to be, hey, I'm good at locking down a thing and challenging people. You need some kind of initiative, some kind of utility. That's the word I was looking for. Some way to catch people out and swing a battle. Right, which, generally speaking, these don't.
Hector, Hull und Illinois
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00:40:11 Colbert is S tier in the hands of a John the Ruthless, but in any other loser's hands, it's a C. Next up we have, I have to remember which one this is, RB Ship Cutouts, this is Hector. Ooh, the Hector. I'm going to be honest, I've played the ship twice. I actually really like the Hector. This is going on in terms of fun. The Hector is a light cruiser that is bristling.
00:40:39 Ja, Hector ist Tier IX. Was über Brennus? Brennus ist 10. Okay. Hector ist der erste Tier IX. Wir müssen das in mind. Wir sind nicht mit Tier X Kruisers. Wir sind mit Tier... Tier IX? Unfamilier Territory. Oh, man. So...
00:41:07 In terms of what this has got going for, this excels at, I would say, medium to close range. Mostly because, like other Commonwealth ships, she has the crawling smoke generator, which means you can move slowly, about one quarter speed. And she has those destroyer caliber guns, so not really having the ballistics to punch out to longer range. Right. She has 12 kilometer torpedoes, if I'm not mistaken, and a fair number of them. They're pretty solid. 12 kilometers, that's pretty close. That's about as close.
00:41:35 Das ist über die Farge, wie bei einem decenten Torpedos. Ja. Du musst 13.5, 14.5 in order to have long-range Torps. So, du hast recht viel Utilität. Du hast ein Hydroacoustic Surge, wenn ich nicht so bin. Aber, ja, du kannst. Du kannst, du kannst, du kannst, du kannst, du kannst, du kannst, du kannst, du kannst, du kannst, du kannst, du kannst, du kannst, du kannst, du kannst, du kannst, du kannst, du kannst, du kannst, du kannst, du kannst, du kannst, du kannst, du kannst, du kannst, du kannst.
00:42:04 So it works great as a support for other DDs. However, if I had to describe this as a Destroyer, this is basically a Vampire 2 at Tier IX with a Citadel. That's what I would describe it as. And I will note that compared to other Superlates, like obviously Colbert is a Tier higher, but people often do compare it just because they're kind of similar and that they have a lot of these Destroyer caliber guns.
00:42:28 Hektar hat ein wenig weniger DPM als diese Superlites, weil es ihr eigenes Smokescreen bringt und das Crawling Smokescreen hat. Du hast viel mehr Safety zu farm von, aber du hast viel weniger DPM. Ja. So für diese Gründe, ich kann das nicht über Colbert sagen. Ich würde sagen, das ist wahrscheinlich ein C-Tier als auch. Was du denkst? Ja, ich würde sagen. Ich denke, Hektar hat die Oomph...
00:42:52 To be like a B or an A tier? It does a little bit. It's just true. It's just the reality. And that doesn't mean it's not any fun. Okay, the next one is going to be USS Hull. This is the 203mm Armed Destroyer. This is a relatively new ship. I have only played it maybe a half a dozen times. However, I have had absolutely monster games in this.
00:43:21 Es ist ein bisschen ein quandary hier. Die Hull ist, generell zu sprechen, auch ein Filthy Damage Farmer, wie viele dieser. Es ist zu tun, es ist zu tun. Es ist zu tun, es ist zu tun. Es ist zu tun, es ist zu tun, es zu tun. Aber das ist, dass die Hull ein Destroyer ist, dass es, es kann, es kann, es kann, es kann, es kann, es kann, es kann, es kann, es kann, es kann, es kann, es kann, es kann, es kann, es kann, es kann, es kann, es kann, es kann, es kann, es kann, es kann, es kann, es kann, es kann, es kann, es kann, es kann, es kann, es kann, es kann, es kann, es kann, es kann, es kann, es kann, es kann, es kann, es kann, es kann, es kann, es kann, es kann, es kann, es kann, es kann, es kann, es
00:43:44 Because of the fire rate of these guns, because of the penetration of these guns, because they're 203s, they penetrate 34mm, meaning you can pen standard battleship armor, you can pen a lot of cruisers at Tier 10. You can open water in the hull as an instigating measure. And I want to say that has utility. You should stress this a little bit more, the fact that it does have the 203mm guns and they actually do fire.
00:44:07 AP with advanced penetration angles like Des Moines. Yes. And just because of that, I think that bumps it up a little bit compared to something like a Druid. Definitely. Just because it poses more threat to cruisers. You consider real cruisers with this at reliably, at decent ranges. At much longer ranges than you can with something like a Druid. So just because of that, you pose a much more instant or real threat to a cruiser where if you pop up on its broadside, it really has to pay more attention to you. Yeah. And because of that, I think it has a little bit more dangerousness to it.
00:44:36 Es hat auch mehr Long Range Farming Potenzial, nur wegen der größeren Guns. Es hat eine Super Heel, wenn ich mich richtig erinnere. Ich weiß nicht, ob es eine Super Heel ist. Also hat es ein sehr guter Engine Boost, also hat es ein ganzes Tools für sich in die Open und Farming. Its Tools actually benefit its Role, das ist, ich würde sagen, zu starten Fights mit Cruisern und Battleships, für die meisten Parten. Das ist, dass es eine eigentliche Useful Sache ist. Das ist gesagt, ich weiß nicht, dass jemand das für Clan Battles oder für King of the Sea hat.
00:45:05 Maybe just because it really hasn't been around long enough. But I also don't, I cannot imagine too much that there is a real solid utility. Yeah, I would say in general, Hull probably falls into like a similar, like if you were seeing Alpings being used, Hull kind of falls into that similarish category of being able to pose an AP threat to things like cruisers. But it kind of rates a little bit more competitive just because of the heal, the speed boost.
00:45:31 If there was a place for something like an Elbinging in a competitive lineup, I think Hull would feel that pretty nicely. But like you're saying, I think there just really isn't right now. You want radars, you want really good stealth, you want really good smokes, you want really good torpedoes, generally speaking. And Hull just doesn't have those. So I want to put it at A tier. What do you think? Ooh, okay. Or do you want to go B? I want to go B personally, just because I feel like it does lack the initiative versus other destroyers. You only have three single turrets, so you're not doing a ton of Alpha Strike.
00:46:00 Sure. So if you do catch a cruiser out broadside, you can get some nice littles in on it, but it usually won't be crippling. Fair enough. So I think because it is very threatening and it is capable in the open water, it kind of rates like Bretta's tier. Okay. And that exposes that kind of threat. That's a good point. I'm going to agree with you. I'm going to go with B tier then. Okay. Okay. So you guys, this is called being social, where we sit here, we chat, we take each other seriously, and then we agree.
00:46:26 Yeah, I mean, personally, I'm kind of riding the line right between A and B tier for Hull, just because I think it is such a phenomenal open water ship. Guys, you're border humping A and B. We've got to cut his speed. Okay. Next up, we have yet another filthy damage farmer. And we hear it for Illinois. So, for those of you that don't know, the Illinois is another tier 9. The Hull was tier 10 again. The Illinois is in Iowa with...
00:46:55 Three turrets full of Des Moines guns. This is partly why I love all the Research Bureau ships, because they're so funky. Yeah, they're weird. And that's the fun thing about Research Bureau ships. They kind of break the consistency of what each nation feels like. And that's a lot of fun.
00:47:12 I'm going to be real with you. Can you guess where I'm going to put this? It's either C or D. Whoa, Bogsy is so wrong. So here's the thing. With a battleship, to me, if you're going to take a battleship, you need the battleship to do battleship things. What the battleship things are is threatening cruisers. That's really what it does. Whether you're in competitive or hopefully even in randoms, the job of a battleship, almost exclusively, is to be positioned to a place where you can basically...
00:47:41 watch lanes of fire, and slap the crap out of unsuspecting cruisers that aren't paying attention. That is generally what I think. Or, it's sometimes to push in, stoke up damage. The Illinois can do neither of those. The Illinois can sit there and just annoy. Just reigns. It will out-HEDPM basically any other battleship. And that's legit. But that's not what battleships do. What do you think?
00:48:09 Okay, so I'm gonna tell you why I personally rate Illinois towards A tier. Oh my god, Chad. I think it is legitimately A tier, and here's why. You're right, it doesn't fill the traditional battleship hole. It doesn't chuck cruisers at long range. It won't be dev-striking things for the most part. But what it is, is it's basically unfightable for other battleships. He's not wrong, because if you catch other battleships in this, you are just going to set them on fire repeatedly. You're going to wear them down. Most other ships in the tier can't overmatch you unless it's like a Musashi.
00:48:37 So I think Illinois is easily A tier for small formats like Ranked and Clan Battles at tier 9. Wow. Because there's not a lot of stuff to help burst it down. Yeah. Because you pressure the enemy battleships so strongly and because other cruisers also can't really fight it. What do you think, Chat? I think all around it presents a very big threat to the enemy team. Wow. And I think it's tanky enough. I think it's tanky enough. Yeah, it's basically in Iowa. I don't think it has the Iowa heel. I know it has less HP.
00:49:06 Chat, what do you think? I was leaning towards C or maybe B. Geiger's leaning towards A. What are you all leaning towards? We need your help here. We need the jury. Yeah, jury's... I'm seeing B, I'm seeing A. And S. S, get out of here. Yeah, I don't think it's S. Okay, I'm seeing a lot of A's and a lot of B's. A couple B's.
00:49:30 Mehr A's. Mehr A's. Mehr B's. Wow, this is split right down the middle. Okay. Should we run a poll? Ice Manzor, I saw your question about Passo de Patria Commander Containers. Soon. I can start a poll if we want to run it that way. Okay, let's do a poll. Should the Illinois be A? I guess at this point it's going to have to be A or B tier because no one agreed with me. I'll throw three categories. We'll do A, B, C. Okay.
00:49:58 And we'll run this for 3 minutes. This is called Engagement Chat. This is the game we're all playing here. Thank you for engaging. So yeah, I mean, I definitely agree with you again, like you were saying. It just doesn't do the traditional battleship thing. But I think it's strong enough outside of the traditional battleship fold that it rates a pretty good rating. That is true. The fact that it can basically out 1v1 any battleship at its tier, that's a pretty sizable utility.
00:50:22 Ja.
00:50:48 Und eine der Gründe der Illinois ist, dass es, wenn es nicht so gut ist, dass es nicht so gut ist, dass es nicht so gut ist, wenn es ein enemy Battleship ist, dann Illinois wird es sehr schnell verletzt. Das ist wahr. Also kann man kind of punish enemy teams für das tun, wenn man nicht so gut ist, wenn man es nicht so gut ist. Woher kommt das Myth von, dass Illinois 1v1 eine Tier IX BB? Wir haben nicht ganz gesagt, dass das. Die Illinois, at least at medium range...
00:51:11 Es gibt so viele Kruiser-Gunst. Ich würde sagen, dass es ein Musashi-Gunst ist, weil es die Übermatch-Gunst hat. Aber dann, ich denke, es ist ein Walsh in der Walsh-Gunst. Musashi-Gunst ist so walleye. Versus andere Battleships, die nicht die Übermatch-Gunst hat. Versus Illinoid. Illinoid just puts out viel mehr accurate fire, viel HD-DPM. Es will starten mehr fires.
00:51:37 So I think it will easily pull ahead in that kind of damage race situation. Now obviously a close quarters battleship like a Pomeran or a... Like if you're in secondary range of a German battleship. Yeah, they're going to beat you up. But again, we're talking medium range here. Oh, it is way more split than I expected. Very split, whoa. Okay, wow.
00:51:56 Come on guys, vote whether it should be A, B, or C tier. What do you think? Again, this is combat effectiveness. This is not whether you like it or whether it's fun. It is pretty fun. I mean, again, a lot of these Usage Bureau ships are just so unique that they're super fun to play just because they're so different from every other ship in their tier. I think Irresistible is the other one coming out soon at tier 10 that has the 234mm guns. So we'll have some Illinois action at tier 10, finally.
00:52:25 Aber ja, ich meine, nicht viele andere Battleships spielen wie das. Wenn du für ein GameCompany bist, wirst du immer das Ihr Klasse ist irresist-er-replaceable. Dammit! Irreplaceable. Ich liebe die Nämung Scheme für die Commonwealth und die British Ships. So fun. Mein Klasse ist... Es ist wie ein Pulsar auf meinem Klasse. Das ist zu heiß. Oh, dear. Damn. Ich kann rebalance es, wenn du möchtest. Whatever, whatever. Woher kommt das?
00:52:54 Did that just show up? Yeah. It's probably making me look better, ultimately. I think the white balance needs to be turned off of Auto. It needs to just be... It should be off of Auto, but it might just be Sutt. Yeah, I am going to go fix it. Thank you. Yeah, I look like I'm about to get Thanos snapped or something. What does that look like? I don't know.
00:53:16 Yes, that is what happens when the filter on the camera in OBS is set to take in too much light. So at the point where the light here is shining off my shiny ass forehead, it's just putting too much light into the camera and it just looks overexposed. That's better. Thank you, sir.
00:53:40 Okay, so the poll has ended. 50% of voters voted A. 40% of voters voted B. Wow, that's like 150 votes. Well done, everybody. That's quite a split. Alright, we're putting it at A. A-tier Illinois. I'm impressed, guys. Maybe I'm conflating my enjoyment of it a little too much. I don't actually enjoy playing Illinois. It does one thing.
00:54:05 All the other battleships. I don't really enjoy playing it that much either. It's pretty decent, especially in randoms. It's very one-dimensional. I think it gets way more fun in Ranked, especially. I think Ranked is a very fun format for it, just because I think the smaller team sizes allow it to really flex itself a little bit more. I can see that. But for randoms, for sure, it's just not too interesting. Alrighty, after the Illinois...
Ohio S-Tier Schiff
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00:54:31 Oh. Hi. Oh. The OG. I'm going to put it in S tier. I'm just going to go right to it. Okay. To me, this is the ultimate research bureauship. I think Chad agrees with you. Yes. This is one of the first research bureauships. I think first was... Was this the first? I think this was one of the very first. I remember... Okay. I think it was Ohio and Slava was the first two. That sounds about right.
00:54:57 Chat can correct me. I remember back when the NA forums were still available and there were some people who liked to talk about new ships. And when this came out and when the Georgia came out, they balked at the idea of having small numbers of 457mm guns. They said, well, that's not very many turrets. It's not that reliable. It's not reliable.
00:55:21 The problem is that it overmatches the 30mm decks and upper hulls of most cruisers at the tier, which means it just becomes an existential threat for half the cruiser lineup at the tier. And I think the dispersion curve actually is slightly more accurate than other ships like Montana, like other USN battleships. So yeah, it does have less number of guns, but it is a little bit more accurate to compensate. And again, the overmatch is so strong. The Ohio also, it's relative, like for, I would say, I want to say like for a battleship.
00:55:47 Es ist relativ manöverbar. Es ist nicht nimble. Es ist nicht Bergogne. Aber für lange Zeit in Klan-Battles, die Tier X-Battleship der Wahl war Kremlin oder Ohio. Und wenn du Kremlin in den Kremlin in eine Kremlin, bow in, und du sat da da, bis du oder sie died. Es war sehr einfach. Und du hast du forward 6-barrels, und das war es. In Ohio, du kannst du ein bisschen mehr flexibel sein.
00:56:16 You weren't super duper fast, but you had a tankiness, you had a quick reloading heal, you still had those same caliber of guns as the Kremlin, and you were nice and accurate. So there was a lot you could get done. Further, you are able to set the Ohio up as a secondary build without losing any of your main battery gun power. Unless you take that slot 6 as secondary something.
00:56:39 You can retain all of your main battery accuracy upgrades and still get the full secondary range. That's the distinction, thank you. So, lots of utility. Very, very powerful. Very competitive. Ohio is still a mainstay pick in competitive formats. I mean, I think when Ohio came out also, Montana's heal hadn't been buffed yet. Right. So it was a little bit tankier in that regard than it has the fast cooldown heal, so it was just more tanky than Montana.
00:57:05 Es hat die Overmatch, wie du sagst. Und ich denke, es war wirklich eine der ersten Schiffe, die man könnte, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein, wie ein,
00:57:33 Es hat all die Tools du willst für ein Battleship. Es hat die Armored Deck. Es hat die Batterie Accuracy und Overmatch. Es hat die Secondaries als eine Option. Ja. So, wirklich, wirklich Solid choice. Okay. Well, das war easy. Alright, wir haben unsere erste S-Tier. We agreed. Chat agreed. We did. Boom.
00:57:53 Rejoice. Okay, here we go. Again, I feel it's now the time to remind you all that this is the effectiveness tier list. This is not the fun tier list because we have the Paolo Emilio. Okay, you're not going to put this in us, Boggy? No. No? I'm going to put this arguably in C tier. I almost want to put it in D tier.
00:58:19 I might be a hater, you might all be. People in chat might be like, what? We have a Yolo Emilio hater. Okay, this is a tier 9, we all need to acknowledge that. It's a tier 9, so it's going up against other tier 9 destroyers. Look.
Paolo Emilio: Eine Analyse des Tier-9-Zerstörers
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00:58:32 The Palo Emilio does one thing, okay? And it's hilarious, okay? What it does, it does extraordinarily well. What it does is it says, I want that to die. I want that battleship to die. I want that large cruiser to die. It makes your opponents ask the question, why is the smoke cloud coming towards me? Why is the smoke cloud coming my way at a high rate of speed? So basically, it suicides itself with its smoke generator and its speed boost.
00:58:59 Und es schießt sich an etwas mit massiven Torpedos und nuket es. Es ist wirklich nicht sehr gut oder effektiv. Es ist einfach nur für jemanden. Es ist einfach nur für jemanden. Manchmal kann man verschiedene Shippen werden. Ja, das ist die Quintessenzial 1-for-1-Gaming-Ship. Ja. Manchmal wird es ein 1-for-2- oder 1-for-3-Ship werden, aber es ist nur ein, ich nehme dich mit mir. Das ist ein Highlight Reel-Ship.
00:59:27 This is a great ship for content creators because you can pull off some stupid shit that makes for great highlight reels that gets you a lot of attention. For example, years ago, I actually played a replay on my own stream just to highlight a Pablo Emilio match played by my friend, Momo Fasho. He got a quad kill in his Paolo because he just rolled through this area where there were multiple ships. I think you've got three...
00:59:56 ...different racks of tubes, right? Yeah, you got two wing launchers and a centerline, if I remember correctly. Bro, and, like, each torpedo does, like, 25 grand or something like that. It does a ridiculous amount of damage to the torch. So he nukes, like, three different ships with his torpedoes, and then at the very end, as his smoke is coming off, he just opens up with his guns on, like, a fleeing cruiser and murders it. So he gets four kills. It does have the sap main gun, so it can pose a pretty serious thought to, like, destroyers and lightly skinned cruisers. But it's got no heal.
01:00:22 Es ist ziemlich klunky. Es ist nicht wirklich ein Open Water Gunboat. Es hat eine Great Conceal. Es ist nicht wirklich gewinnen, keine Gunfights. Du wirst wirklich nicht in eine Gunfight. Denn was du brauchen ist genug HP, um deine Gunfight zu survive. Du wirst schützt deine Guns, um etwas zu machen, um ein Racketorps zu machen. Du wirst nicht in einem Standfight. Für mich, ich denke, es leans towards D. Ich denke, es leans towards B. Ich denke, ich werde es in D-Tier.
01:00:52 Chat? Are you gonna revolt? Are you gonna riot? Any Believers? Any Believers in the ship? Paolo Liebers? Beef or delicious? Paolo a Lieb... I will say, I think Paolo got a huge buff recently. Do you know what it was? No. The battle on button. Clip that, please. The best, the best buff.
01:01:18 Tapaolo in years happened when we added the battle on. So once you die, you're like, great, let's do it again. Next. Yeah, I see a fair amount of split between D and C, but I think we're probably okay to just put it onto the D tier. I'm gonna be real with you. I know this is a tier 9, and it shouldn't be compared to tier 10s, but if you really want a destroyer whose job is to essentially dislodge...
01:01:45 A cruiser or a battleship that's taken a corner maybe. And you're like, I just need to get rid of that thing. I need to press the finger of God and nuke that thing. Like, take a Cleber, a Legmod Cleber, or something like that. To me, that's a better way to pull that off. Because the thing that will ruin, like, Apollo Emilio's day is ruined by radar or hydro. Yeah, if you're trying to, like, YOLO a German battleship especially, and you just get hydroed at five kilometers away, you're dead. Like, what was it?
01:02:15 Guess the run's over. Battle on. Gotta pick your targets carefully and if you just don't have a lot of great targets it just won't end up doing very much. Mogador can do the same thing as Paolo but it can live. And it can actually fight stuff. Next up we have Cecilia. I'm gonna be real with you guys. Cecilia kind of passed me by. It came out at a time when I was extraordinarily busy here at Wargaming and I just didn't have time to play it very much. As I understand it...
Cecilia: Ein solider B-Tier-Kandidat mit einzigartigen Sekundärwaffen
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01:02:42 The Cecilia is a Columbo with HE and AP.
01:02:48 Ja, es ist Columbo. Das heißt, es ist nicht Italien. Es hat HE instead of SAP. Es hat ziemlich accurate guns. Es hat SAP Secondaries mit decent range. Ah, das ist was es. So, even though the Secondaries sind nicht sehr accurate, sie still put out ein fair amount of damage zu anything close, nur weil SAP will damage mehr effektivt als HE, in most cases. Especially für die Smaller Calibers. So, es hat es unikenniss compared to Columbo. Ich denke, die Exhaust generator ist auch...
01:03:15 Ja, ich finde Cecilia sehr komfort zu spielen. Okay. In that it kind of has the vanilla main battery performance, where you have a lot of small caliber, very accurate guns, kind of like Mecklenburg almost, where you can HD-spam other battleships, you can punish broadside cruisers very well with the AP, and then you kind of have the exhaust smoke plus sap secondary thing going for it.
01:03:45 But I wouldn't rate it as one of the S-tier battleships like Ohio for sure. So I think it falls more towards the solid B-tier for me. Solid B-tier. I'm going to go with Gaisu's expertise on this one. I remember thinking when I played it, I went, oh, this isn't bad. But I do remember feeling like outside of the SAP secondaries, it was somewhat unremarkable. Like, Columbo is Columbo because it just throws a dump truck of SAP every time it fires.
01:04:14 Aber das ist es. Das ist alles. Es macht es. Es macht es. Es macht es. Es macht es. Es macht es. Es macht es. Ja. Es macht es. Okay. Was ist es. Okay. Was ist es. Okay. Was ist es. Okay. Was ist es. Okay. Was ist es. Okay. Was ist es. Okay. Was ist es. Okay. Was ist es. Okay. Was ist es. Okay. Was ist es. Okay. Was ist es. Okay. Was ist es. Okay.
01:04:41 You'd think I would like the Cecilia more, but I just don't know it well enough. It's kind of a big Roma with exhaust smoke and more accurate guns. Okay. And lots of them. I should probably give it another try. I think you would enjoy it. But again, it's a B tier. I wouldn't say it's anything extraordinary. Was that? That was Cecilia. Okay. Next up, we have, I believe this is Sevastopol. Oh, Sevastopol. Oh, Sevastopol. All right. So, you know...
Sewastopol: Einzigartiges Konzept mit Schwächen, die eine höhere Bewertung verhindern
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01:05:09 You know that thing that you really want it to work? You just want to love it so much. Like Fetch. You want Fetch to work. And then your friend who's actually not very nice comes up and says stop trying to make Fetch work. It's not going to happen. I really want Sevastopol to work. Problem is that it's just not gonna. Sevastopol has got to be one of the most unique ships definitely in the Research Bureau.
01:05:36 ...which is full of unique ships, but I would say just in general. Do you want to talk about it? Sure. Okay, we can start. So Sebastopol is a cruiser, a very big cruiser. Big cruiser. With very big guns. It has the German 38cm guns that you find on Bismarck, for example. Bismarck or Siegfried guns. Siegfried is the closest example, I really think, because Sebastopol has cruiser accuracy. Cruiser dispersion. Super accurate. On those guns.
01:06:00 So very accurate, very punchy guns, but not very many of them. Six. Only six barrels. So in terms of raw damage output, not a lot. You can overmatch 25mm cruisers. That's not much. But versus Des Moines or the USN heavy cruisers, the German heavy cruisers, you'll autobounce. And there's one more really unique thing about it. A couple more things, actually. A couple. So again, Sevastopol's super weird.
01:06:26 Was Gaisu ist der Heel? Der Heel ist die definierende Charakteristik der Heel, ich würde sagen. Du hast viel HP, das ist gut, denn du hast das HP zu machen. Es gibt nicht sehr gute Deck-Armor, oder sogar eine Armour-Belt, und es ist auch ein sehr großartiges Target, also du hast viel damage. Es ist covered in 30mm.
01:06:43 The deck and the upper hull and the bow and the plug, it's all 30mm armor. Which means it's going to get overmatched by an increasing number of battleships. And that's rough, because you cannot take Citadels in this ship. If you take Citadels, you start losing your heal potential. If you lose your heal potential, that's it. The Sevastopol has a unique heal that heals a huge amount of HP.
01:07:04 Very slowly. It runs for a very long duration and doesn't heal very much per second, but by the end of the heal, you've recovered a ton of HP. Right. So you can burn or flood or whatever you need to forever, because you'll heal all that back. And once you've taken a little bit of damage, you can even just start the heal. Yeah, I would say that's actually really the optimal way to play it, is you start a fight, you start taking damage, then you just start running that heal. Because if you wait for full effectiveness for the heal...
01:07:28 You're going to miss it. You're going to miss that full effect. You're just going to be taking damage the whole time, and you'll need to wait a ton of time for your next heal to come up. So you just really want to use it as you're taking damage? Yeah. So realistically, you've got good range. You've got very accurate guns. The guns are punchy, especially with the AP. HE's, I mean, it's... Nah. You have so few barrels that, like, it really does not have a lot of HE DPM, and because it only has six barrels, it's not an amazing fire starter. No. No, it is not. So because of that...
01:07:57 I really want to like Sevastopol so much because I love the guns on it. I'm a big fan of big, accurate guns. That's what I like. It has a really good reload. It's like 20 second reload, something like that. It's pretty solid. But it's not starting too many fights because you don't stand and fight. You don't have the DPM for stand and fight. You need to hit things in the Citadel. Your job is to hit cruisers in the Citadel. You really need to be putting the AP to work with Sevastopol. Right.
01:08:24 Und das bedeutet, dass du flankst. Realistisch, wenn du in den Citadel willst, musst du flankst. Du hast eine Speed Boost, die Speed Boost ist solid, aber du bist so großartig für Battleships. Du bist so großartig. Du bist so großartig. Ich würde sagen, das ist C, vielleicht sogar D. Ich würde sagen, C at best. Okay.
01:08:47 Es hat viele interessante Tools, und die Engine Boost ist sehr gut, obwohl die Bass Speed nicht sehr hoch ist, also kann man es ebenen.
01:08:56 I feel like it just doesn't quite have the oomph to actually fight against other stuff in the open water in most cases. To me, Sevastopol is a ship that gets more important and better the later the game goes. For sure. The fewer ships are on the board, the more effective that heal is. And also the better I think you are able to just focus one thing, aim for weak spots, maybe break guns with, you know. But if you're taking fire from multiple sources, you're just going to get trashed. So, chat, I'm seeing D's.
01:09:24 Super F-tier. Super F-tier. Wow, Yotta-Hater. Dead Vastapol? Damn. So Vastapol versus Illinois. The Illinois will wreck it. I'm C&D. I think it's going in D-tier. And it's so sad because I really want to like it. Yeah. I really want to. I feel like if it just had maybe an extra turret, you know, if it just had two more barrels, or if it had a 15-second reload. Ironically enough, it's a Soviet cruiser that has Bismarck guns on it.
01:09:52 They yanked half the guns off the Bismarck or whatever. So there you go. It's probably going to end up being D tier. Sad. The McRib of Soviet cruisers. The McRib. Alright. Next up we have this is I think this is Siegfried if I'm not mistaken. Okay. It does look like it.
Siegfried: Eine Analyse des Tier-9-Großkreuzers
01:10:15
01:10:15 So, ironically enough, these are basically the same exact guns as the Sevastopol. Slightly less accurate. Pretty similar accuracy, I think. Yeah, it's Cruiser, but I don't think it's quite as accurate. Sevastopol's bananas. However, this is Tier IX. Ironically, this has probably better armor. It does have better armor. It has that nice German super large Cruiser 60mm armor on the sides.
01:10:42 Which means you can bounce some battleships. You have to be really careful which battleships you take on. You need to know which ones. Any battleship really at tier 9 or 10 can overmatch your bow. But you can, if you're pushing something, you can sort of wiggle your bow a little bit and you can bait some shells onto the hull. You need to avoid battleships armed with 18-inch shells, like the Plague. They will go through your deck and they'll ruin your day. However, it's relatively quick.
01:11:10 It's the same hull as the Aegir. The detection isn't horrible. It's not great, but it's not horrible. For a large cruiser, it's pretty decent. It burns like a battleship. That's not great. It is armed with very good hydro. It does have point defense torpedoes. And the secondaries are decent as well. That being said, arguably the best thing that it does is it has hyper-accurate, big battleships.
01:11:34 Battleship guns at tier 9. You're basically bringing the same kind of fire powers as this fastball to one tier lower. Yeah. Which I think automatically bumps it up a little bit. Yeah. And you have a spotter plane as well. So you really can reach out and do stuff. I think this does what Sebastopol wants to do. Just a little better. That being said. This to me is just a fun ship really. I don't think it's horribly effective. It's going to be at best B tier for me. Possibly C tier.
01:12:02 Having 380s on a Cruiser at tier 9 is really unusual. That's big. That by itself might be enough for B tier. What are you thinking? I have not really played the ship much at all. I think maybe I played like two battles on the ship in the last year, to be honest. So I will absolutely defer to your expertise here. I think B and C, but mostly B. I think that it's not easy to do well in the Siegfried. Like, if you're not...
01:12:31 really good, you're gonna maybe do 70-80k damage and get a kill. That's not amazing. However, you really can do a lot against cruisers. I will say that. You have an enormous amount of hit points for a cruiser as well, which is nice. I think, again, with not a lot of personal experience in the boat, but just looking at, I think, the firepower and especially the armor for tier 9, I think both of those factors combined for a tier 9 ship probably lean it towards B tier for me. Yeah, if this was tier 10...
01:13:00 mit dem Setup, es wird wahrscheinlich auch C sein. Aber jetzt ist es Tier IX, wir haben es mit einem B und sagen es ein Day. Und... der Schlava. Oh, bevor wir weitergehen, ich möchte sagen, wir sind ein bisschen über die Hälfte durch den Stream. Oh, dear. Was ist es? Major Storm kommt. Oh, shit.
01:13:27 Oh, damn. I think I'll be all set. Thanks, sir. We've just been warned that there is a massive hailstorm apparently about to hit, so hopefully we will not suffer too much damage to our vehicles, as they say. Destructive 3-inch size hail. Huh. That's what happens in Texas sometimes. Dude, you have to move a vehicle.
01:13:48 Ja, in my house. The one that I have here at the office is... Unfortunately, I'm not sure. If it gets hailed, it's fine. But the one at home is like, ah, shit. I actually cleared out the garage just so that I could put that car in the garage last night or two nights ago. And it's not in the garage? It's not in the garage anymore. I took it out. Oh, well. Everybody cross your fingers. So... Slava? You said halfway through. I was about to get to...
01:14:17 Oh, holy shit! Hold on a second. Can you hear that?
01:14:46 Ja, ich kann hier die Thunder, aber ich sehe die Stormclouds. Ich bin gleich wieder zurück. Boggie hat ihn zu gucken. Vielleicht werde ich meinen Turnen zu gucken, als er kommt zurück. Aber ja, das ist ein bisschen verrückt, weil ich glaube, ein paar Tage später, wir haben auch eine große Lightning Storm, eine große Thunderstorm. Der zweite Halte wird Ur-Hill. Nein, ich glaube nicht, es ist Bunker Hill.
01:15:09 Take a video and show us. We could certainly do that. Maybe we'll post it in the NA Announcements channel afterwards. Bunker hardly knew her. Nice one. Yeah, I mean, the crazy thing about Austin, from my experience living here over the last two and a half years, is the weather is almost always very nice. But occasionally a storm will just come out of absolutely nowhere, and when it rains or when it hails, it's absolutely massive for one day, and then it passes.
01:15:41 Hopefully... ...we have some Stormwatchers outside the streamroom.
01:15:50 Du hast die Fahrt in der Front? Nein. Du Ubered? Nein. Ich Ubered. Ich habe meine Fahrt hier. Das ist eine gnarly looking storm, Bruder. Ja, es ist wirklich ein grosser storm. Wow. Okay, well, das ist scary. Ja, so... Da ist vielleicht ein paar Fahrverlässchen.
01:16:12 lull i'm gonna text mrs. boggy and tell her if she can do i do i have to go look at the store now you should it's uh it's at that point where like you can see the big dark clouds rolling in like a like a storm front you know like a storm front asking the wife if she can move the car put the car in the garage
01:16:43 Well, that's exciting. Sorry guys, we're getting a little distracted. Those are very dark clouds. Those are super dark clouds.
Slava: Eine Analyse des Schlachtschiffs auf Tier X
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01:16:56 Slava! Once the most feared battleship at Tier X, people realized it's like a one trick pony to some degree. It's just a good trick. I think it got a very fearsome reputation from when it was in testing. From who? I'm kidding. From when streaming test ships was a regular thing. Yeah, there were some CCs who decided that this was the greatest thing since...
01:17:23 Sliced potatoes. And when it released, it was in a reduced state, shall we say. I think it's still very strong.
01:17:32 Oh, we can hear that thunder. It is still pretty strong. So those of you that don't know, you're not familiar with the Saga of Slava. The Slava is, I would say, like a light battleship in the sense that the armor is pretty weak. It doesn't have great armor and has pretty low caliber guns in terms of like 406s aren't really anything special for tier 10. Especially since it only has 9 of them. Whereas usually 406 armed battleships like Montana, 12. Yeah.
01:18:00 So that being said, it has incredible ballistics, incredible accuracy, and insane penetration. So the Slava became quickly known as a ship that would citadel other battleships and cruisers at really long ranges. If you give Slava enough angle, you will citadel you. Yeah. You can citadel Yamatos out to like 20 kilometers. It's crazy. Yeah, it's crazy. That being said, that's really all it does. You cannot have a standout, drag-down fight.
01:18:30 Und wenn ein Kruiser oder ein Battleship angeln, dann wird es viel weniger effektiv. So, ich weiß nicht. Mein Instinkt ist zu sagen A oder B-Tier. Ich glaube nicht, dass ich S-Tier möchte, weil es wirklich nicht so gut ist. Es hat diese Reputation, die sehr gut ausweichen. Es ist extraordinarily gut, wenn es nicht so gut ist. Ja, das ist wahr. Und ein guter Spieler will wissen, wie zu finden und reagieren, aber...
01:18:57 If you're playing against people who know what they're doing, this ship has zero competitive utility. Because as long as the people who you're playing against know what they're doing, they're not ever going to give you that opportunity. So what do you think? For me, it's a lower B tier. Lower B tier, okay. I think it can really shine in randoms, especially when, again, randoms are a little bit more chaotic. You've got 12 people per team. You have a lot of people who are less clueful about what they're doing. So it can really, really rack up the damage very quickly if you get a good match.
01:19:26 But again, if you're playing against, like, a Yamato who knows what he's doing and just angles and overmatches you all day, it's a pretty unpleasant experience. It's a very bad experience. So, I agree. It feels really good to put Slava at B tier. I don't know why. It felt really good. I don't, I mean, Slava still has this reputation that just, you know, people, oh, Slava, well done, Wargaming. It's not really that good, dude. I don't know.
01:19:56 Aber ja, ich denke, dass viele andere Riesenspürer Ships ist, dass es zu tun ist, dass es zu tun. Ja. Es kann nicht wirklich ein Hit-Returnen nehmen, also es hat das Typisch-Battleship-Aspunkt. Ja, agreed. Aber es ist sehr gut zu tun, was es zu tun, was es zu tun, was es zu tun. So, B tier für mich. Oh, kann man das Hale hören? Ich kann.
01:20:16 Can you guys hear the hail? Maybe not. Can you guys hear the hail? It might not be sensitive enough to pick it up. Wow. That is some aggressive hail. No? Okay, yeah. That sounds like baseball size. Yeah, we can hear it rattling the roof right now. Yeah. Okay. A few left. Next up, we have Vampire 2. So, another pretty unique destroyer. It is. Vampire 2 is unique in that it does have a small crawling smoke generator. It has a really solid hydroacoustic search of like...
01:20:45 5.5 Kilometer, oder 5? Ja, ich denke, es 5.5 Kilometer. Check and correct me if I'm wrong. Dude. Sorry, guys, ich muss nachdenken. Das ist fast wie Tornado-Level Wind. Es ist ziemlich ernst. Hold on, guys. Hold on. Hold on.
01:21:38 I'm sorry guys, I can't resist the urge to go stare. Yeah, the wind is like actually bending the tree sideways right now. It is super out there. The streamers were carried off by a tornado.