[EN] Armchair Admirals - 80 years of VE-DEY
80 Jahre VE-Day: Eine historische Analyse der Seekriegsführung im 2. Weltkrieg
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Zum 80. Jahrestag des VE-Day beleuchtet der Beitrag die strategische Bedeutung des Atlantiks, die Herausforderungen der arktischen Konvois und die Kämpfe im Mittelmeer. Technologische Fortschritte, Fehlentscheidungen und alliierte Zusammenarbeit werden analysiert. Zudem werden neue Schiffe vorgestellt und ein Quiz veranstaltet.
World of Warships
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00:01:03 Wait for me and I'll come back. Wait with all you've got. Wait when cheerless yellow rain whispers that you need not. Wait when the snow swirls fast. Wait when the sun blazes hot. Wait when long days are past and others have forgot.
00:01:40 when from that distant place word does not arrive. Wait, when all those you face know I'm not alive.
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00:02:38 Untertitelung des ZDF, 2020
Einleitung und Vorstellung der Themen
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00:05:59 um uh which i will hand over to in a bit um go over the big three main uh sea zones around europe that influenced and shaped the theater in europe so that's the atlantic the arctic and of course the mediterranean with also a quiz between our historians were you
00:06:17 our dear viewers can win something. And as well, we will have, of course, a few more things to share along the way, which I will drop sporadically later in the chat to let you know. And in this case, I will hand over to everyone else and enjoy. Hello. Hello.
00:07:29 Ja, Fructini is currently fighting it. Apparently they can't hear us. Killebren intends to do it. I'm confused. People are saying you can hear Killebren. Can you hear me, guys? You can hear me, they can't hear the guests.
00:08:04 Oh, cake design, sounds good. So, Onnidervalka could not be here. What, how, what? Well, in the meantime, Chad, while Fructini fights the monster that is audio issues, I hope you're all having a pleasant Thursday. Yes. No.
00:08:29 Oh, no, and... Oh, I just heard a ding. Something beeped. Something beeped. They can't hear me. What a horrifying thought. Oh, I'm apparently really, really quiet. Apparently people can hear you now. Okay, awesome. It's amazing. It's like everything's set up and then the system decides to know I want a different microphone used. And I'm like...
00:08:56 Stop having independent thoughts. Do as we command or else I will kill. That's kind of appropriate for VE Day. Because every time everyone in any of the campaigns of order to set everything up and go, this is going to work now. We're sure it's going to work. And then every time you get on the operations, it's now broken. Let's reinvent everything and get on with it. Yeah. I have gotten dressed up.
00:09:24 Heumann, die German in chat, is asking if I'm... I am actually sitting up, Heumann, it's just this chair is at an angle.
00:09:37 Ich fühle mich an Appropriate shirt für heute.
00:10:03 I did order HMS Rodney, but unfortunately that hasn't arrived yet, so I'm wearing my HMS Hood shirt. Oh dear. Wow. Up to 1,779 people. I like one. We're earlier than usual. We don't like to blame Paul Fructini. He's doing an absolutely amazing job. Of course. Absolutely. It's mainly that Killer Bin and IT causes a constant rebellion.
00:10:31 Ja, es ist einfach nur, wenn du wissen, was passiert ist, die ganze Sache ist einfach nur Fructini mit einem riesigen Sledgehammer, mit einem Maschinen Spirits, bis es funktioniert. Ich weiß, es ist einfach nur ein Schnelles. Ich weiß, World of Warships, aber ich habe einfach gefunden, diese Leute an Amazon, die literally machen Profiles von Royal Navy Ships für ein T-Shirt, das ist über 15 quid, und es ist wirklich gut, geht durch die WASH.
00:10:59 Seems to be really good. And I'm not getting any money from them. I just found them and think they're absolutely spectacular. And you have all the details of the ship on it as well. So you get the silhouette. And I just think it's a really cool shirt. I have about six of them now. Oh, wow. Which ships? Yeah. I have Hood, Rodney. I have Belfast, Birmingham. And I've forgotten which other two I've ordered.
00:11:26 Because I have three and then I ordered three more. And I'm waiting. I haven't yet found a carrier. But I'm hoping they do a carrier soon. And it's just... You sit there and go, for 15 quid, they're a very good shirt. And it's a very nice profile of a ship. And you can just have it and go, well, that looks cool. Tells everyone in advance, Naval History Nerd. Keep away, I will talk ship.
00:11:55 Alright, any drops today? No drops, but there will be something.
00:12:01 So don't worry about that. We still have our regular drops, so don't worry. Yeah, because obviously this stream replaces the regular weekly gameplay streams. And I know it's not really my place to say, but having heard some of the things they've got coming up, you're all going to love it. You're all going to be really, really happy. Yes, there are pages and pages and pages and pages of stuff to announce later.
00:12:30 Ja, und das ist ein Spoiler-Alert für heute, wie es heute streamen wird. So, wir haben... Obviamente, der Hauptziel ist die Erinnerung der Ende des World War II in Europa. Weil in Europa es endet, da war die gesamte Pacific Arfafel noch ein paar Monate. So, wir beginnen mit dem Atlantik.
00:12:58 Dann werden wir wahrscheinlich in den Arktik gehen, weil es hier sehr warm ist, also werden wir ein bisschen coolen. Dann werden wir ein bisschen intermissionen, wenn wir ein paar secretes Dokumenten mit Ihnen shareieren. Oder nicht, wenn Sie reagieren. Ja, so far niemand hat das gedacht, also das ist gut. Aber ja, so, ich denke, seit unserer letzte Regular Episode war in Norwegen, ich denke, dass wir wahrscheinlich...
Der Atlantik als zentrale Bühne des Seekriegs
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00:13:27 The situation that the Atlantic, because originally the plan basically wasn't to fight in the Atlantic, because the German fleet wouldn't be able to get into the Atlantic, really. A few ships here and there, a blockade runner here and there, and the U-boats and such.
00:13:45 The British war plan had been based on the idea that A, France wasn't supposed to fall, and B, Norway wasn't supposed to fall. So they were expecting, realistically in Europe against Germany, a high-tech, slightly advanced version of World War I, and they were setting their fleet up for that. They were dealing with a German fleet, which, and this is when it starts to sometimes cause people upset, when I explained that the German fleet in 1939...
00:14:14 Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja.
00:14:41 und Norge und Fransch fallen. Und die ganze Strategie die Briten hatten für die Krieg in Europa, muss sich verändern. Denn über Nacht, die Probleme von Deutschland zu kommen, werden die Nordatlantik viel leichter für ihre Submarinen zu kommen. Sie können aus der Norge aus der Norge aus der Norge aus der Norge aus der Norge aus der Norge aus der Norge aus der Norge aus der Norge aus der Norge aus der Norge aus der Norge aus der Norge aus der Norge.
00:15:09 This is why the entire mid-Atlantic gap appears. If the German submarines are operating from Germany and don't have the ability to operate from Norway or France, there is no mid-Atlantic gap because the German submarines won't be able to sustain operations out that far. They literally won't. But this is why you suddenly have the convoy duties and you have to convoy ships pretty much the whole way across. You have to support a convoy the whole way across the Atlantic.
00:15:36 Which is a whole different thing. If we consider it in World War I, whilst in many ways the day was almost more dangerous because they didn't understand how they were going to play convoys and they were working out how these things would be worked and all these things, there is the reality that in World War I it's a far more condensed area.
00:15:56 And that's what they've been expecting. That's why when we're looking at the losses of ships, it's all around the British Isles, basically. Because it is condensed. They're operating from bases in Germany and some bases further in the Low Countries, but that's about it. World War II.
00:16:13 You don't have that safety. The German fleet can literally, their submarines don't have to get past Britain to get out into the North Atlantic. They can go through the Bay of Biscay. And that is what is often forgotten about, is the sheer amount of efforts which go into the Bay of Biscay to try and stop German submarines going through there, to try and protect convoys going through there. Because the Bay of Biscay is one of these heavily contested fleet areas and heavily contested operational areas. But it's...
00:16:41 Ja, und ich meine, das ist auch sehr wichtig, dass es nicht nur die Range war, sondern auch, wie du schon erwähnt hast, according zu dem Original Plan, dass jeder German Submarine, die in den Atlantik in den Atlantik war, musste die langweiligen Weg gehen und um Briten. So, für einen langen Zeitpunkt in den Petrolien der Royal Navy ...
00:17:08 in the land-based air coverage, in comfortable land-based air coverage, basically in the North Sea, or through the very attracious weather. So basically, either you have planes or you have weather so bad that you struggle to make any headway. And they have spent a lot of that time underwater. That's the big thing that shortens these submarines' range. You have to remember, whilst we call them submarines, if we're being honest, World War I and World War II
00:17:35 Submarines, especially in comparison to modern boats, fit far closer to the definition of submersible. They go down to attack. There is a reason, though, their hull design, especially when we're talking about the Type 7s versus the Type 21s, are far more orientated around having stability on the surface for long-range cruising. They do a lot of their maneuvering on the surface. If you don't have control of Norway and you don't have to go into control of France...
00:18:03 You have to do a lot more underwater to get out around the UK, which is what really cuts down your operating time and your operating distance, because you go a lot slower underwater. There's also the fact that if you are spending a lot of time underwater, you've got to spend a lot of time charging your batteries, that uses more fuel. You know, it's... It's a vicious cycle which shortens your range. And it was a massive, and the crucible of the difficulties that both sides experience, even with the advantages the Germans get.
00:18:31 by controlling France and Norway, is why submarine development accelerates probably 20 years in such a condensed period. And that's before you start talking into technologies that were being talked about and worked on in World War II that only today are more practical with air-independent propulsion, which is something that is being looked at and worked on. I get where you're coming from, and I can see that angle.
00:19:00 But I would like to say that some of the developments that we do see in World War II aren't really so much submarines leaping ahead 20 years as they are the culmination of the interwar periods developments in various countries. And there's a lot of German nicking from the Dutch. Yeah, there is a lot. It's not so much a jump in tech, it's more technology maturing.
00:19:26 Basically, it's not so much a jump as it is a maturation blended in the fires of a furnace called War. Yeah, basically, the tech was already there, but nobody was willing to pay to produce it en masse, while suddenly, oh, we need it. That's basically perfect. That's the perfect way to describe it. Usually getting politicians to spend money on the fence is kind of like you have to already be pointing a gun at their head to get them to open up their wallets and be doused in the mosque to come out.
00:19:54 Ja. Ja.
00:20:21 Ja. Und das ist auch so spannend. Ja. Aber in terms of naval warfare, especially...
Die Rolle der Flugzeugträger und die Bedrohung durch deutsche Schlachtschiffe
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00:20:30 Was you have realised is that a lot of navies knew a change was coming, but they weren't sure where the change was going to go. You see this in the development of aviation with aircraft carriers and development of the fleet carriers, but also the escort carriers that do things which come along. Navies are looking at them and going, right, aircraft are the future, but they're not here yet. So we have to fund them enough to develop them.
00:20:53 But we can't afford to put too much funding into them because if we put our eggs in that basket at the moment, they're not there yet to be able to do the job. And that's for most of the 1930s, the scenario you're really dealing with. It's like aircraft are good. We know they're a future. We know they've got some capabilities now. But at the moment, we still need battleships to be able to ensure we can win a war. Because these will work someday in the future, but they ain't there yet. These will work now.
00:21:23 And when you're playing with the fate of a nation, you don't have a choice of going either or. You have to balance the budget so you invest in both. Because you need the security now and the security in 10 years from now. Yeah, and I mean, especially with carriers, that's a very good point, because basically for most of the 1920s and 1930s, what the aircraft carriers were operating was basically, okay, it was a kind of over-horizon strike capability.
00:21:51 Aber es war nicht wirklich so viel, weil wenn man die Karriere in der Mitte ist, in der Mitte der Vangarde ist, dann der Effektiv range von der Aircraft-Strike war nicht wirklich so viel, als die Disturter-Screen würde. Die ganze Gründe der Briten gehen für die zwei-Seater-Seater-Seater, und ich sage, dass durch die 1920s und 1930s, sie operieren die meisten Karriere von allen Power.
00:22:20 in 1920s and 30s. They're operating the most number of carriers. They're not the largest ones, that's Lexington and Saratoga. But they are operating, most of them, and they're operating around the world, doing exercise with them. They've got counter-piracy operations going on in the South China Sea. Oh, yes. They've got operations taking place in the ocean. They've got full-fleet exercises where they bring the Atlantic and the Mediterranean fleet together in the Mediterranean normally, but sometimes in the Atlantic, and they do massive exercises.
00:22:47 And they developed this whole idea of multi-carrier operations, and that's what they were planning on doing in the wartime. And then war strikes, and they are just always having to use just single carriers for operations because they haven't got enough available for all the different operations they have to do around the world. Yeah. But the thing is, with those aircraft, they very quickly realize what they want to use them for is long-range strike. Because the advantage of an aircraft versus a battleship, an aircraft carrier, is if it can hit you further away.
00:23:14 As long as it can hit you further away, it can beat a battleship. But how's it going to get there? Well, the British kept the idea and was heavily focused on the idea of beacons to help the aircraft get back to the carrier. But also, and this was why you have the two-seaters, navigators to do navigation. Because beside that, the pilots got quite a lot on their plate. To also try and do the navigating over a very long distance for a long time, it helps to have someone who's...
00:23:42 Ja, es ist worth pointing out, wenn wir die Atlantic Theater diskutieren, genau was die British sind in terms of threats. Weil die Problem you've got is that the Germans have actually done entirely the right thing in the interwar period. They have become a multi-axis threat.
00:24:08 They haven't focused on submarines. They haven't focused on capital ships. They've got both. They are a multi-axis threat. The British cannot just go, we're not building battleships. We need escorts. We're not building... Well, even if the Germans were single-axis, they couldn't anyway. The Italians and the Japanese are sat right there glaring at them. But anyway, the point I'm making is...
00:24:29 Wenn Sie Scharnoester und Gneisenau haben, die British... Es ist nicht eine sudden-Britische Reaktion, aber die Incapabilität zwischen Deutschland und Scharnoester und Gneisenau haben. Es ist ein gulf. Es ist ein gulf. Und ehrlich gesagt, wo die Deutschen starten, nicht...
00:24:50 half a decade prior, they are an incredibly impressive achievement, especially given the amount of damage the British did to German industry at Versailles. And I would like to clarify something on Charnas tonight now, because this one comes up quite a bit. They were treated by the Germans as fast battleships, they were treated by the British as fast battleships, right up until when Churchill had been appointed for Lord of the Admiralty.
00:25:15 At the beginning of World War II, he does a whole lot of interesting decisions which are based on his First World War experience, many of which I disagree with, some which were good ideas, some which were absolutely terrible ideas. But one of the reasons why he can pause carrier and capital ship construction, the Royal Navy will point out and go, well, hang on, no, they've got fast battleships, we don't have them, so we don't want to pause construction. And he then says, well, no, they've got 11-inch guns, therefore they are battle cruisers.
00:25:41 It's Churchill who reclassifies his Scharnhorst and Eisenhower to battlecruisers, not the Germans, not anyone else. And he entirely does that so he can pause capital ship and carry construction in the UK. And because he goes, well, that means we have three battlecruisers, Hood, Renown, Repulse, and they have two. So we don't need, we don't need to build any fast battleships because we've got them to counter them. It's at this point. Yeah.
00:26:08 Es ist die Multi-Axis Threat, die wichtig sind.
00:26:22 Ja, das bedeutet, dass die Briten nicht mehr über nichts in den Atlantik ist.
00:26:46 Und auf den Med. Aber es gibt noch mehr, wenn wir die Kapital-Ships haben, die Deutschland-Klasse haben, die Scharnossen-Neisenauer haben, die Destroyer haben, dann nicht in Norwegen. Und so, wenn die Germans noch nicht in Norwegen nehmen, wenn sie nicht in Norwegen nehmen, dann macht das Leben viel einfacher. Das heißt, die Arctic-Konvoys werden in Norwegen, weil du wegwäst von Deutschland, die ganze Zeit, die ganze Zeit, die ganze Zeit, die ganze Zeit, die ganze Zeit, die ganze Zeit, die ganze Zeit, die ganze Zeit, die ganze Zeit, die ganze Zeit, die ganze Zeit, die ganze Zeit, die ganze Zeit, die ganze Zeit, die ganze Zeit, die ganze Zeit, die ganze Zeit, die ganze Zeit haben.
00:27:15 So this is the thing, having this multi-axis threat, as small as these assets were in terms of numbers, was always far more problematic for the British to deal with, because you might only have two battleships or two such ships available at any one time, but you can choose to deploy them. The British always have to be ready with at least two to counter your two, preferably three or four. And that here requires the commitment of six to seven or eight assets.
Strategische Fehlentscheidungen der Deutschen und die Bedeutung der Tirpitz
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00:27:41 ...to counter your tomb. So you tie down a huge proportion of the British force in comparison to what you were outlying. Yes, I would also like to point out that the Germans politely missed the trick, as far as I'm concerned, in terms of operations. I know the reason Bismarck sortied is because the Greek Marine was looking at the timetables for Russia. They wanted to make a big impact and say, look, we can make the war effort as well.
00:28:10 However, if they'd had a slightly more far-sighted view, they might have cottoned on to the fact that the Allies were going to aid the Russians. It was just, it was what was going to happen. And a lot of German high command knew this. The smart play would have been keeping Bismarck around to interdict the Arctic convoys. And then when Tirpitz joins her, that really becomes an issue. Because at that point, you've got the two most powerful German capital ships in Norway. Sharnos Neisenau in Brest.
00:28:37 You've got some hippers in Brest, some hippers in Norway. And at that point, Bismarck and Tirpitz have enough strength with everything else going on in the world in 1942. That's enough strength that the British are in a bit of a pickle there. Because the Italian fleet still exists. The Japanese are knocking seven bells out of everybody in the Pacific. The Germans have two capital ships in Norway, two in France. And basically, they can actually use their capital ships to screen sorties of their cruisers.
00:29:06 They could have the Hippos sortie to deal with arctic convoys and have Bismarck and Turbos go, woo, look at us, look at us! We're going to go attack the convoy, or are we? We're going for the heavy units, you don't know. But of course they didn't. And that brief hypothetical aside,
00:29:24 Even with just Tirpitz, the result was much the same. Every time she sailed or threatened to sail, it was a brown alert moment for the Royal Navy, just because of the threat she represented. And that's simply down to the fact that despite all of her flaws, to put her down, you need two capital ships, proper capital ships. That's a KGV, a North Carolina, Nelson, Rodney.
00:29:50 You can't send a Renown as one of those two capital ships. That's not enough firepower. Which already ties down. It also ties down battleships in terms of the R-Class, providing escorts to convoys. Because that's what you need. Because again, there is some advantage. People often go, well, an R-Class will lose a fight versus a Bismarck or a Turpitz. They will. But the point is they'll cause enough damage that that battleship probably won't get home.
00:30:18 without being caught by the faster battleships that the british have and the thing is that means if you have a choice between a convoy which is escorted which is escorted by a battleship yes it might be a high value convoy but if you're going to loot get damaged and definitely get killed or going for another convoy which doesn't have a battleship escorting it
00:30:39 you go after the other convoys. So that's another way you can track, by the way, which are the most important convoys and critical convoys in World War II. Do they have an R-Class or similar sitting as Guard Dog? It's also worth pointing out that one of the plans the Germans had for Bismarck when it was operating with heavy units was basically, yes, you don't really want to get into a fight with an R-Class even if you've got Bismarck, but what you can do is if you've got Bismarck or an...
00:31:07 und eine HIPAA oder die zwei Scharnhorsts, was du absoluten kannst, ist, dass du einfach nur ein Scharnhorst zu tun kannst, was du einfach nur ein Scharnhorst zu tun hast, was du einfach nur ein Scharnhorst zu tun hast, was du einfach nur ein Scharnhorst zu tun hast, was du einfach nur ein Scharnhorst zu tun hast, oder ein Scharnhorst zu tun, oder ein Scharnhorst zu tun, oder ein Scharnhorst zu tun, oder ein Scharnhorst zu tun, oder ein Scharnhorst.
00:31:33 Bismarck ist, insofern, ein enabler für die HIPAAs, wenn man das. Ein Bismarck-HIPAA-Combo bedeutet, dass die HIPAAs können, weil die HIPAAs können, weil die HIPAAs können, weil die HIPAAs können, weil die HIPAAs können, weil die HIPAAs können und sagen, oh, du bist ein 8-inch Cruiser. Das ist, das ist, das ist gut. Komm her.
00:31:51 Okay, I will use this quick brief moment to intercept here because I have something else and we're almost at 4K people. So I will need to start bringing this into being. So while the drops are working, I have seen some reports that some may not have problems, but some do. And Jan1917, he said, it's like, any codes? Yes, actually, indeed. I will post the first of five codes. I will quickly explain though.
00:32:21 um this is uh once per account code um there is five different codes but every code gives the same stuff and you can only activate one of the five so we have a total of 5 000 codes for the stream so
00:32:36 If you're not lucky with the first code, don't worry. You will probably have a chance to activate the second or the third, fourth or fifth code. So as I said, there is quite a lot. So everyone that is actively in the chat and actively watching the stream should have a chance to get something. And what does this code give you? It will give you one container for the Allied Heroes collection we brought out, I think, last year, if my memory serves correctly, which gives you historical unlocks, the collection for historical...
00:33:06 in-game and then um there is also a more uh economic uh bonuses uh or resources container there as well so in this case i'm out again and happy more history yeah so where was oh yes uh bullying a county destroyer convoy and the unfortunate after effects oh yes so uh the problem that we have here is let's say for example
00:33:31 Bismarck und die HIPAA haben die HIPAA gewandt, und sie haben einen HIPAA gewandt, und sie haben einen kleinen, kleinen, kleinen Problem gemacht. Die Briten jetzt wissen, wo ihr seid. Weil jeder von der HIPAA in der HIPAA in der HIPAA war, die HIPAA in der HIPAA in der HIPAA in der HIPAA in der HIPAA.
00:33:51 Ja, plus, even the first thing the convoy would do would be to scatter, so the actual impact of the attack would probably be less than the Kriegsmarine command would have wished for, because, I mean, in practice, even when the Terrible Twins had to tackle with the Armed Merchant Cruiser, still it gave the bulk of the convoy time to basically get out of the way, because if each ship goes...
00:34:21 eine andere Art. Auch wenn die Schöpfe machen ihre 12 Knoten, wenn sie alles brennen, die Kuchen und die Boilers brennen. Wenn sie die Schöpfe in eine andere Art gehen gehen, kann man nicht nur in der Stadt bleiben und einen Schöpfen nach dem anderen.
Britische Kreuzer und die Bedeutung von Torpedos
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00:34:39 And there is the other problem with British cruisers. They have a disturbing tendency to carry torpedoes. They do have a disturbing tendency to carry torpedoes. And this is what I find funny when I'm talking to people and they start talking hypersonics and things to me and go, there has never been a weapon before which is so totally scared and upturned warship design and modern warfare. And you sit there and go, no, the whitehead torpedo.
00:35:04 Because there are two ways to sink a ship. You start a fire which can't be put out or you make a hole which lets water in. Holes which let air in don't sink ships. Holes which let water in sink them. And a torpedo is designed to make a very big hole which lets a lot of water in. It might break the ship's back while it's doing it, break its keel, but it's designed to make a big hole that's letting a lot of water in. And so...
00:35:29 One of the reasons why the Royal Navy is always so obsessed with putting so many torpedoes on their cruisers is because throughout the 1920s and 30s, they spend a lot of their time studying convoy warfare and how to protect convoys against surface raiders around the world because of Japan and Italy and the other threats they have to deal with. And having these sorts of vessels makes sense because it's going to sound strange. What were the British convoy raiders they were really worried about?
00:35:57 ...dealing with in the 1920s and 30s, when you don't have the Germans around? Eight-inch cruisers, most likely, from the Japanese and the Italians. No, that wasn't the biggest worry, but you're close with the Japanese fleet. Oh, the Congo. It's called a Congo. Yeah, I'd forgotten about those annoying little things. How could you forget a Congo? They're cute.
00:36:20 I prefer... Basically, they're like Tiger, but with 14-inch guns and a slight redesign. Let's be honest. They're nice. I'm not denying, but I do prefer... Forgetting about a Kongo. I prefer a Gangot.
00:36:37 You would. But I think the point we're trying to get is that the Germans, because the Germans start their fleet construction relatively late and have a government, especially with post-1933, that isn't too concerned about sensible economic planning and so are willing to push through construction at a less than sustainable rate compared to...
00:37:06 Compared to what the Royal Navy, the United States Navy, the French Navy is dealing with. They end up, as we say, by 1941, they have Scharnhorst and Gneisenau in service. They've got the surviving panzer shifts. They've got the active HIPAAs. Bismarck is operational. Tirpitz is on the way. And they have this temporary advantage in fast units over the Royal Navy.
00:37:33 The Royal Navy is, as we've discussed, they're assigning slow capital units to convoy defence. An R can't catch a Scharnhorst, but if a Scharnhorst goes after a convoy that an R is protecting, the R is going to put itself in a position that Scharnhorst has to make the choice to fight. If it wants the convoy, it's got to go through the battleship and the escorting lighter vessels.
00:37:59 And at certain points, the Twins actually tried this, but they find that the British battleships prove quite disturbingly untentable way. They tried the whole thing like the Italians do in the Mediterranean, quite a few in some of the convoy battles of, we have a capital ship coming from one direction with some ships, be drawn off and go and fight that while another one sneaks around to attack the convoy from behind. And the British battleships tend to have this disturbing habit to go.
00:38:27 No, we'll just sit here and let you come to us. Yeah. And start making a load of radio noise. If I'm on the bridge of an R-Class that can do 19 knots on a good day, even if Sarnhorst is trying to lure me away, I'm not going to be very far from my position, even if I try to chase. It's like, do you mind? I can't come after you. Come back here so I can hit you in the 15-inch shell. I'm just going to respond to something I've seen in the chat, saying the Germans should have fortified the Baltic and held fast until the build program completed. There was no need.
00:38:54 Funnily enough, the Germans actually, when it comes to the historical way the build strategy of both sides developed, it could not have gone better for the Germans. As Kilobin said, by 1941, they're actually looking at, in terms of modern units, they've got the British slapped, politely. They have four modern 30-plus-not-capital ships. And the British have, I think, in terms of modern ships, they've got the first...
00:39:23 zwei KGVs in. Und in Bezug auf 30-Knotch-Ship haben sie einen modernen, der Renown ist. Und dann haben sie auch Hood und Repulse. Und das ist vor dem 4Z, nach dem...
00:39:37 Balance shifted completely. And this isn't even bringing the Italians into it, which makes the situation for the British even worse. And in 1941... The British had a way of locking up the Italians. I know, the Taranto. They find Nelson or Rodney sitting at Gibraltar. No, not Taranto. Taranto is a great thing which buys the British time. But it's more a case of, in the nicest way, if you stick Nelson or Rodney at Gibraltar...
00:40:05 Es ist ein Fall, wir müssen über das gehen. Aber die Italien sind eigentlich für das Moment. Sie können sich in den Straits des Gibraltar und sagen, come at me. Ja, das ist der Fall. Du bist fast, aber du kannst nicht über mich in dieser Gap. Sie sind nicht weit genug. Ja. Littorio ist ein guter Schiff. Ja, sie sind ein guter Schiff. In terms of Axis-Fast-Battleships.
00:40:34 A Littorio on a good day, I would honestly rate as the best. I know the Bismarcks get a lot of things, but A, the Littorios have one extra gun. Of the European capital ships, they're definitely in solid contention for the best ones. The funny thing is, the only way the Yamatos actually outrank them is because of the 18-inch guns.
00:40:58 But even then, the 15-inch has better AD. I actually prefer the Littorios, because I think the Littorios are faster, and they're more maneuverable. They've got their own limitations, they do. Please get me wrong, none of them is a perfect design. But no one produces a perfect design. The debate really is Littorio or Richelieu.
00:41:16 Well, I did say Axis capital ships. I didn't say... I said Axis capital ships. Because the King Georges are the slowest. They're the best protected, but they're the slowest. They're 28 knot ships. Everyone else is pushing 30. Yeah. So, um...
00:41:36 So very quickly, I feel like we've had good diversions, but unfortunately this isn't ramblings. So we should probably get back onto how this whole situation has shaped the conditions for VE Day. So we've covered up to 42. We've touched on Norway. We've touched on how the Germans being in multi-axis threat made sense. Now we should probably talk about how the Allies defeated that multi-axis threat. The first blow actually was the loss of Bismarck. She was the first Axis...
Der Niedergang der deutschen Überwasserkriegsmarine und Spaniens Rolle
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00:42:05 The first German capital ship to be lost at sea. And I know I can hear everyone in chat saying, Graf Speer, Graf Speer. Yes, but she's a heavy cruiser. She's not one of the big four German capital ships. So Bismarck goes first. That then actually ruins the streak the Germans have been on. And it sort of breaks the Germans' confidence in their ability to do surface commerce raiding.
00:42:31 You'll note that Sharnost and Neisenau, I know, yes, part of this is due to the RAF declaring Brest a free fire zone, never actually sail from Brest again to raid commerce. They plan to, but they never actually. But Bismarck's sailing is a microcosm of the problem the British have, is that Bismarck's sails and her sailing alone requires King George, Victorious, Ark Royal, Rodney, a couple of the other Rs, Hood.
00:43:00 Prinz of Wales
00:43:28 Because the crew doesn't know the guns yet. It comes back to Winston Churchill's decision to pause construction. Because if he hadn't paused the construction, and even if he, let's say, not paused the construction on the illustrious class and the first three of the King George Vs, they'd have been serviced so much earlier that all these things wouldn't work through. You have to remember, he came into it with... I cannot stress this enough. Because...
00:43:58 Whilst he won't admit it in his own history books, he did apparently admit it during the war. He came into it and presumed that the Royal Navy hadn't done any preparations, based on his experience with them in World War I, for the convoy war, and so paused the capital ship construction, carry construction, to enable construction of corvettes and hunt-class escort destroyers, only to find that although ships had already been ordered, many of them had already been started,
00:44:22 And actually it caused more disruption to them by trying to transfer personnel from the yards which were working on the capital ships and the carriers and the cruisers to go and work on these ships. It actually caused issues. Because the corvettes especially were being built to commercial standards in smaller commercial yards, which are very different to the yards which were building the high-end warships. Yeah.
00:44:51 The more I learn about World War II generally, the more I learn how much the Germans literally had it basically go their own way in terms of a lot of decisions made by other powers. Yeah. To really enable them to make the gains they made. But to very quickly get back to what I was going to say. So, Bismarck is 41, Bismarck goes. Jean-Austin and Eisenhower locked up in Brest.
00:45:19 I would disagree here, really.
00:45:44 Ich meine, ja, es war ein sehr guter Tactical Retreat, es war ein bisschen Kriegsvagin as Dunkirk, so zu sagen. Es war sehr gut, besser als erwähnt. Aber ich meine, das große Problem, das die Terrible Twins hatte in France bereits bevor Bismarck-Sailing war, dass es ...
00:46:08 They were not, from the Kriegsmarine's point of view, they were not really a credible threat anyway, because all the time either one of them was damaged by, okay, usually light damage, but still constant raid and torpedo here and there and stuff like that. Or something broke. And fixing that in French docks was much harder than fixing it in German docks. So basically they were kind of still like...
00:46:37 Sie waren von der Royal Navy, weil sie nicht mehr von diesen Problemen wussten. Aber von der Kriegsmariniensten, sie waren nur da, als ein Begriff, und essen die Ressourcen. Ja. Also, ich würde sagen, in der schönsten Weise, als die French Navy für ihre Geschichte gefunden hat, dass die French Dockyard-Worker zu arbeiten, selbst wenn sie dich lieben, ist schwierig genug.
00:47:04 When they don't like you and they actively dislike what you're doing to their country, it's positively an experience in mental, psychological and physical torture. It is definitely worth... I mean, there are examples of... The German personnel who tried to get the French darkyard workers to work for them are some of the people who seem to have suffered the fastest burnout rate.
00:47:33 German officials of anyone in World War II. Yes, plus it was kind of... Because the French are very good at coming up with many reasons why they shouldn't do something for you. Plus, additionally, there was always the risk, or not even a risk, it was just the fact that if you let too many French nookyard workers to work on your prime capital ships, then the British will know what's their status.
00:48:02 Ja, genau. Das ist das, was vor dem D-Day in Normandie passiert. Die Britische Propaganda radios wurden für die Submarinen an der Seele gesellschaftlich für die Fußball-Matchen zwischen den Submarinen Flotillas, weil die French-Resistenz ihnen diese Resultate live vermittelt. Die Germanen Submariners wurden freilich, nach der Krieg, zu hören, auf die Britische Propaganda radios, in denen sie wussten, dass es eine...
00:48:30 british propaganda pretending to be german radio station like german opposition radio station they knew that it's enemy propaganda but it had the fresh juice yeah very very patriotic and they were very um how do i put this politely the french dockyard workers very patriotic and they were very capable of making also improvements on the design themselves
00:48:54 Those improvements might work right up until the moment you find yourself engaging the enemy. At which point they probably cease to work. Yes. What I would say is the reason that I do consider the Channel Dash a bit of a strategic defeat is because it leads to the loss of the second one to go down. Nicer now. Yes, she's technically not sunk, but she goes in for her refit and she never comes out again.
00:49:23 So that's two down, two to go. Yeah, but I agree here that basically having to retreat from France was a strategic defeat for Kriegsmarine, but it was kind of inevitable and it would be a defeat even if they stayed there. It's like, it was a catch-22. You couldn't support, sustain those ships, you couldn't do anything really with them, so you had to withdraw from there. And that's a big problem. Unless you were going to start...
00:49:51 Some of the issues you found with the scenarios, even if you had decided you trusted and believed and you're going to let the French dockyard workers do it, you then have to translate the German designs to French designs. Now, theoretically, they work in the same millimeters. They work in the same measurement system. But as the British and the Americans found out during World War II, they worked in the same measurement system, theoretically.
00:50:19 Und es gab immer noch große Unterschiede, weil sie beide, auf der Zeit, verwendeten Variations auf Imperial. Und das war mit Allies, die bereitgestellt werden, um es gut zu arbeiten, nicht nur eine Gruppe, die fühlt sich... Es war sogar mehr lustig, zwischen den Westernen Allies und den Sowjeten, in der Fall der 6-Pounder-Gun, das war eigentlich mit 57mm, aber...
00:50:44 Wenn die Sowjets benutzen ihre 57mm HE-shells in den 6-poundern, haben sie gefunden, dass der Sowjet 57mm 57mm basiert auf einem alten russischen Imperium, sozusagen 6-pounder. Also, es war 57.2mm. Also, es war... Okay, 57mm 57mm... Das funktioniert nicht. Und wiederum, die meisten der französischen Schäden und die französischen Systeme basiert sind auf der Sprache ihrer alten Systeme.
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00:51:41 A metric gun to Imperial to then have it converted back into metric and then also have to convert it again into Imperial. Well, the Bofors started out like as the British Pom Pom, but a specific generation of British Pom Pom from immediately post-World War I.
00:52:04 Das war dann von den Schweden, die sich an den A.A.G. zu verändern, um die Bofas 40mm zu verändern. Und dann wurde es um die American-Imperial zurückgekehrt. Und in der ersten Translation, sie besuchen die American-Imperial war die gleiche als die British-Imperial. Und es war nicht. Es wirklich nicht.
00:52:32 So the Swedes actually realized the problems with the British and Americans with how her translation of figures before the British and Americans said. Yeah, and so basically after the Channel Dash, basically the threat of the big raiders in the Atlantic was kind of gone because basically Bismarck is sunk, Neisenau is, well, as good as sunk practically.
00:52:58 Thürpitz and Scharnhorst are needed to harrow the fjords up north. So Dennis focuses on submarines. And it ties to another question from HayesGreyDDG63. My big question for World War II is where were the fascists Spanish? And that's basically, it's like the... Rubble. Yeah, for one they were rubble, but for two Franco was also playing a very...
00:53:26 Careful game, basically. I've never seen the full figure, but the British government was spending gold bullion bribing various Spanish officials. Yeah. Well, that's a traditional British way. To keep Franco... Like, elements of the... So, the Spanish government...
00:53:51 Was neutral. Obviously, there were Spaniards who did serve in the German Army. The Blue Division, they go to the Russian Front for a couple years. They are eventually brought back. And some U-boats take advantage of sympathetic Spanish harbors. Gibraltar's full of spies. Madrid and Lisbon were two of the major spy capitals of the war.
00:54:17 um but spain as a country is rebuilding from the civil war and they're also quite heavily dependent on food shipments from the united states yeah that and uh they're and also they're getting advice from canaris yeah yeah franco does people getting advice from canaris which basically don't join the war it's not good it's you don't have it's it's not good prospects yeah and basically while the spain could
00:54:45 Probably pretty quickly take the Gibraltar ultimately. It's like...
00:54:52 Basically, das würde dann automatisch mean, dass sie die Canary Islands verlieren und das wäre ein viel größer Problem für Spain, als letztendlich die Gibraltar für die Briten. Gibraltar ist, ich meine, Gibraltar kann nicht von den Spanischen, selbst von der Landwurseite. Es ist ein Fortress without equal. Franco sagte basically Hitler, wenn Hitler die Idee proposed,
00:55:18 Give me a full army corps and a good chunk of your country's siege artillery, or don't bother. Well, but that was kind of a way, that was part of Franco's play. He always quite exaggerated the problems so that he doesn't have to join. Because obviously Germany was trying to pressure him to join as well.
00:55:44 Ja, aber für sowas wie die Italiener nicht in Malta, die Gibraltar ist ähnlich. Wenn man das kleinere Bereich, das mit so vielen Menschen mit Maschinen-Gunst und in Röck zu versuchen, dann wird es nicht ein schnelles und painlöser Operation sein.
00:56:06 Ja, definitiv. Ja, definitiv. Ja, können Sie es tun? Ja, aber können Sie es tun? Ja, aber können Sie es tun? Ja, aber können Sie es tun? Ja.
00:56:34 And the Axis powers never really quite figured out that level of intercooperation. Yeah. No, because basically the Germans always thought they were the best. And there are often scenarios where they really are not. Yeah. One of the big problems, obviously, was also that, especially after the Civil War, the Spanish Navy was basically not non-existent, but...
00:57:02 Comparatively, sehr, sehr schwach, compared to what they would have to face if they had to...
00:57:10 So just to be clear, the Spanish had lost both of their remaining Hispania-class battleships during the war.
00:57:37 And even then, by this point, the only real ships they could fight would be heavy cruisers and below. But at that point, the Spanish Navy... One heavy cruiser. Yeah. The Spanish Navy basically is down to one Canarias, the Canarias herself. Which is, to be fair, she's a fairly acceptable eight-inch cruiser, but she's only one. And they've then got... They've got Navara.
00:58:03 They've got one of the Blas de Lezo class cruisers. They've got three. So basically they've got five light cruisers, one heavy cruiser and a smattering of destroyers and submarines. But it's not a fleet that is worth much against any of the major powers. It's acceptable for maintaining Spain's colonial possessions and especially for neutrality patrols during the war.
00:58:31 But anything more than that, it's not really viable. Yes, and I know a couple of people in chat are saying, those who have been to Gibraltar, there's a reason that it's held out in sieges over history. It is a mountain that you can stand on the top of it and see everything coming towards you. Yeah. It's also, it pretty much is just, it literally, there's a reason it's called the Rock of Gibraltar.
00:58:57 Ja. Ja. Ja. Und es ist eigentlich ein großartiges Lumpf Rock. Mit ein paar Houses smattern auf es und ein kleines Hörborspace. Aber es ist eigentlich ein Rock. Es ist... Es ist... Es ist... Es ist... Es ist... Es ist... Es ist... Es ist... Es ist... Es ist... Es ist... Es ist... Es ist... Es ist... Es ist...
00:59:26 That's the closest in terms of taking a literal mountain. Yeah. And imagine how... Like that, the British have spent roughly two to three centuries fortifying Gibraltar. Oh, and by the way, you've also got the ships in the harbour. Oh, and we can resupply by sea. We can get more men in here, by the way. And you can't stop that. So we can keep flooding supplies in.
00:59:55 Georgie 1981, we're not talking about the British fleet in the Indian Ocean because we're talking about VE Day, so we're talking about the European theatre. We'll do VJ Day later in the end and we'll talk about all that stuff. Yeah, there were many issues. Most of the ones for the British in the Indian Ocean were the fact that the British were fighting in the Mediterranean, the North Atlantic and in...
01:00:19 in the indian ocean and they just didn't have enough forces to go around as we talked about the huge amount of forces which had to be committed to to maintain the home fleet to maintain deterrence against the german capital ships should they come out you know once you're dealing with that once you're doing the the italians and mitranian even the british who have far more capital ships than either of those powers put together still don't necessarily have enough to go around for all their commitments and especially
01:00:46 Ich weiß nicht, dass ich eine Bottle von Ironbro. Oh, das Poisonous item. Es ist nicht Poisonous, es ist Caffeine und Sugar. Different Poisonous. From Scotland. I guess this sounds like the perfect opportunity to switch from the Atlantic.
01:01:15 Ja, aber bevor wir das tun, um die Atlantik zu machen, würde ich sagen, weil wir viel Zeit über all die Surfaceshipen und die Submarine haben. Ja, das ist die große Sache. Ich dachte, wir sind gerade um die Submarine zu kommen. Ja, das ist eine Frage für unsere Gäste, ich glaube. Und für Killer Bin, also. In Ihrer Meinung...
01:01:44 Die Narrative von Battle of Atlantic ist oft auf der Battle of Technology.
Technologische Fortschritte in der Atlantikschlacht
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01:01:55 Top, let's say, two most important technological advances that played a role in the battle. Huff-duff. The Schnorkel and Radar on Escorts. Basically, 1-3 to side. Radar on the Escorts enabled them to... It basically shut down U-boats doing surface attacks at night.
01:02:18 and Schnorkel enabled them to operate even in an air threat environment during the daytime, because it meant that E-Boats no longer had the surface to charge their batteries, which dropped losses down massively. Those are my two. While Drax is getting himself ready, I will add in my two, which are...
01:02:44 I'd go for Bletchley Park, but not the Enigma Cracking, for the Signals Traffic Analysis, because that allowed them to watch and monitor a lot of where the Wolfpacks were being hauled up, and the Germans were so blooming noisier all the time with their radio transmissions. And I'd say from the German side, and I really cannot emphasize this enough, I would say it's their diesel engines, because they are far more reliable.
01:03:12 als sie in Model 1, die uns zu tun hat, besonders die Sachen, die auf die Type 9s sind, etc. Without die Engines sie hatten, sie würden in so viel Probleme haben.
01:03:22 Ja, die Deutschen haben eine Jahrzehnte leaden auf den meisten anderen Ländern in Dieseltech. Das ist warum mit X-1, wenn die Brits sind, der Super-Sub war, dass sie einfach nur einen Germanen Diesels haben. Wait, X-1, das war die Kruiser-Sub? Ja. Oh, mein Gott. Das ist auch warum, in der Interwar period, wir...
01:03:49 The British companies buy licenses from German companies to make. Oh, we called it the Kulveren. It's one of the YUMO's engines. It looks really weird because it's just, it's an opposed piston diesel engine. I'd say for the Allies, it's probably Huff Duff. To take advantage of German radio traffic. For the German side though, I'd probably go with the Milk Cows.
01:04:14 Weil die Deutschen haben eine Quandre, wo die Sub sie wollen, die in den Atlantischen, besonders wenn die USA in den Krieg sind, wollen Type 9s. Sie haben die Größe, sie haben die Kapazität, aber Sie haben Type 7s. Und so figuring out, dass sie die Möglichkeit haben, dass sie sich überlegen, wie zu bauen, größer Sub zu geben,
01:04:43 Die Möglichkeit zu operieren in den Caribbean, in den South Atlantik, in den North Atlantik, auf der US-Kost.
01:04:53 Und es ist auch ein Testamento zu der Qualität der Crew ist, dass du kannst, wie du in der Mitte der Nordatlantik bist. Ja, das ist brave. Ja. Ich verstehe, ich verstehe, wenn es um Operation in der Nordatlantik ist, muss die Type 7s gett ihre Saddle Tanks für Fuel?
01:05:22 especially the bigger saddle tanks, that they have plenty enough range for work in the Atlantic. And given their faster dive time and the fact that you can build more of them for a sort of war of numbers like you have in the North Atlantic, that's really what you want. Now the Type 9s do serve in the North Atlantic and are somewhat successful, but what you want your Type 9s to be doing really is you want to be taking advantage of their range or you want to be taking advantage of their...
01:05:47 Hayat or Pilots? Do you want to be sending them into places like the Caribbean, the Mid-Atlantic, the South-Atlantic? You want to be sending them to places where your Type 7s physically can't get and wouldn't thrive.
01:05:58 Ja. Und ich werde sagen, Dracke ist ein schönes T-Shirt, aber ich denke, dass er vielleicht etwas ist, dass mein T-Shirt heute ist. Ich habe ein Warspite-Warsen, ich werde bald sein. Am ich Audible, jetzt? Ja. Ja, cool, denn ich kann sagen, dass meine zwei Kandidaten würden...
Zentimeterwellenradar und Rumpfdesign als entscheidende Vorteile
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01:06:27 The Allies would be Centimetric Radar, because Radar, the early Radar pre-cavity, well, not pre-cavity Magnatron, but pre-stable high-power cavity Magnatron is great if the U-boat is on the surface, sort of, but if the U-boat's at periscope depth or it's running at Snorkel or the sea's just a little bit high, you can't actually spot them.
01:06:55 With the Centometric radar, not only does that mean you can now spot even a periscope above the water, which vastly increases the detection of nearby subs, but it also means that the air-to-surface radar is now small enough and compact enough that you can fit it on basically anything with wings, which means you get the ability for coastal command and escort carrier aircraft to hunt down.
01:07:24 All sorts of submarines while they're in the Bay of Biscay, while you're doing hunter-killer groups and everything. For the Germans, I'm going to be a little bit contrarian and say actually their hull design was probably their biggest strength. Because it allowed some of their subs to go, what for that period, and even to be honest, even for some modern subs, was stupidly deep.
01:07:49 Und das hat viele Vorteile, weil es bedeutet, dass wenn sie an die Schallower depth sind, wenn die Hull ist, du musst zu werden, mit Dept Charges zu machen, um sie zu schützen. Sie können, weil sie sehr tief sind, also kann sie können, also können sie unter Dept Charges gehen, oder ein guter Teil des War. Die Allies werden immer wieder zu verbessern, um ihre Dept Charges zu holen.
01:08:13 And if they are very deep, they've got more time to evade between the depth charge hitting the water and the depth charge getting down to them. And the other thing is that with ASDIC, at least until they start introducing further variations on it, going deep actually gives you more time to evade an escort generally, because the early forms of ASDIC basically project a cone ahead of the ship. And that means that if you're running at, say, 50 feet...
01:08:40 Although a ship that's running over you to drop depth charges will eventually lose contact, it will lose contact maybe 50 yards ahead of the bow. If you're down at 700, 800, 900 feet, you could be nearly 1,000 yards or more away from, or feet, sorry, it should be, away from the sub, and you lose contact at that point, and during all that time when you're closing...
01:09:04 Der Sub hat mehr Zeit mehr zu evade, so es ist ein sehr vieles Submarines, die würden nicht überleben, wenn sie mehr Standard Thickness Hulls hatten. Ja. Ja. Auf einem völlig unrelateden Punkt, da gibt es eine neue Pope. Ja. Habermus Papam. Das war quick. Das war aggressivly quick für ein Conclave. Na, ich meine, Second Date, das ist auf par mit der Recent Pope. Chat ist jetzt debatend. Oh.
01:09:32 Is it white smoke, is it black smoke? Oh no, it's resisting Chapel on fire. Yes. Oh no. I mean, there were cases in the past when the smoke changed colour, so... Oh, that's... Chat will get back to us when we know. Yes, but also, but Chat are also putting out other options like the long-range aircraft, the Liberators, the Catalinas, the Sunderlands. Combine them with the improvements in Radar.
01:10:01 Das ist die Sache mit der U-Boat-Kampagne. Es war eine Kombination von Dingen in der sechs Monate Zeit. Das ist der große Spiegel in 1943 mit U-Boat-Kampagne. Und wenn die Wolfpacks verletzten.
01:10:29 Wenn viele Wolfpacks versuchen zu attacken, viele große Convoys zu attacken und sufferen, für ein Wolfpack, extrem hochkassultert. Das ist der Grund, warum, von all den dedicateden Branchen in den Westen Militärs in World War II, die U-Boat Arm, RAF Bomber Command und die US-8th Air Force sind alle die gleiche, in terms of die Chancen zu werden.
01:10:54 I would say, though, there is something I really hate in our history of World War II. And it sounds terrible to say I hate it, but I have a reason. I hate the phrase Battle Atlantic. I think it should be called the Atlantic Theater because it is such an ongoing development of technology and it lasts for years. It's not a battle. There are so many different battles which are part of it.
01:11:21 you could call it maybe the atlantic campaign but i think theater is more appropriate myself i think calling it about atlantic sounds cool to an extent but it also minimizes it so much because you've got the people who are going out especially the merchant crews who are going out crossing the atlantic who are taking their courage and doing it time and time and time again and they just keep going backwards and forwards yeah backwards and forwards and that's just
01:11:50 Ja, es ist so viel mehr... A battle, zu mir, just minimizes es. Ja, ich meine, ich denke, wenn wir die Pacific War, die Pacific War, und das covers alles, von Pearl Harbor zu den Friendly Sunshine, zu Hiroshima, dann, ich denke, die Atlantik sollte das gleiche Privilege haben. Die Atlantik war. Weil es kam von 39 zu 45, inclusive.
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01:12:46 Ich denke, wir werden mehr Dinge auf ihn finden. Oh, sicher. Wir haben drei britische Historien, es wird Churchill-Baschen geben. Das ist die Sache, was ich möchte sagen. Er macht gute Entscheidungen in vielen Bereichen und er ist wirklich funktionierend der einzige Option.
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01:13:24 The problem with him is that he spends most of his time after World War II, when he loses the direction, writing his history of the Second World War, and he writes it in a way which is very beneficial to him. And the trouble is people take on this narrative unquestioningly for the first 20 or 30 years, and now all we look like is he sounds Churchill bashing, because the whole time we've got to go, well, the narrative traditionally said this, because he literally wrote it.
01:13:52 But the reality is this. He is known to have said, history will be kind to me, for I intend to write it. Exactly. The man who deserves more is probably Alan Brooke, who's quoted as saying, Churchill had a hundred ideas a day and I had to figure out which one of them was good. Yeah, I mean, to quote, I'm not sure if anyone has heard of the...
01:14:17 TV, the radio comedy show, The Goon Show with Peter Sellers, Spike Merrigan, Harry Siegham. But a long-running theme in it is that the first thing the British officers do when war is declared is sit down and start banging away the typewriters writing memoirs. The way I always summarise it is that Churchill was an excellent leader. He was the right person to lead Britain. He just maybe should have shied away a little bit from trying to lead the military as well. Yeah.
01:14:44 He got visited by the Good Idea Fair a little too much. He was a very good leader. He was not a very good strategist and certainly definitely not an operationalist. And there are other personalities which when he sometimes links up with, like Mountbatten, they have really...
01:15:02 Intriguing ideas that should be kept far apart from each other. It's kind of like why for centuries you had the First Lord of the Admiralty and the First Sea Lord. Yes. Because they recognised that the person who's the best administrator and overall leader is not necessarily the best tactician and war leader.
01:15:25 We do have a question in the chat, which is, what was the biggest advantage the UK got over Germany in the Atlantic, the entry of the United States into the war? It closed a lot of gaps the U-boats were using on one hand, but at the same time, you do have minor problems like Admiral King.
Kanadische Beiträge zur Schlacht im Atlantik
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01:15:48 ...refusing to take advice on the Convoy War... ...which leads to avoidable losses... ...join to the fact that coastal blackouts... No, we don't need those. Fearing igniting another war of 1812... ...but I'm going to be honest... ...the biggest advantage the British had in the Battle of the Atlantic... ...over Germany... ...was the Canadians.
01:16:07 und der Royal Canadian Navy. Und da ist eine Grunde, dass sie die 3rd-largest Navy in der Welt sind, und sie sind ein ganz einfaches Small-Force, i.e. Destroying-Below-Focussed-Force. Sie sind diejenigen, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die.
01:16:36 Because literally, that is what their Navy is focused on. That is what they focus on delivering. The Americans deliver so much. Please don't get me wrong. But when it comes to fighting the bad Atlantic, when you're looking at the sheer number and proportion of the Navy devoted to that operation, the Canadians are the ones who are overwhelmingly doing that. They are the ones who are overwhelmingly providing that force. And you have to give them the credit. They do deserve it.
01:17:02 They are some of the scariest dudes who ever put into steel objects. I can say this. Having driven on Canadian roads, I'm fairly certain there is something which comes over Canadians whenever they're inside confined metal objects that turns them into absolute nightmares to deal with.
01:17:21 There is a road not far from Toronto, which is heading to Hamilton, Ontario, which we went to a few years ago on one of the first, well, it wasn't a ship-shaped trip technically, but it was the nascent ship-shaped trip where we went to Canada to see the last remaining Travel Class Destroyer. And me and Drac, I was driving at that point on that road, and I just picked them up from the airport.
01:17:44 Und es war wirklich die Erfahrung, wir sind in sechs Linienstraße, und die Fahrzeuge dronen von jedem angle, und sie gehen überall. Und sie sind da und sagen, okay, das ist kein Motorway, das ist Dodgem's.
01:17:59 And they are like that in their destroyers, in their corvettes. They are incredibly capable and aggressive. There is the story of three naked Canadians jumping on top of a submarine and storming it stark naked. Oh yeah, that's... And you can just imagine the poor Germans looking up at the ladder coming down into their control room going, what do we do? I can see the fruit and veg. What do I do? And then it's there.
01:18:28 Und da sind drei von ihnen. Und sie haben Pistols, aber sie sind auch nötig. Was machst du in dieser Situation? Was bedeutet das? Ja, was bedeutet das, dass sie auch eine Flower-Class auf unsere Submarine rammt? Und da sind viele andere Kanadien, die uns auch versuchen, zu kommen. Es ist nur diese drei, die hier sind erst. Look at the situation you described. The last remaining Flower-Class Corvette and the last remaining Tribal-Class Destroyer sind beide in Kanada. Look, the situation you described wouldn't be a War-Crime.
01:18:58 Es würde ein Warkrime sein, wenn sie die Backpacken spielen würden. Das ist wahr. Ja. Das ist eine gute Idee. Ich glaube, wir haben noch ein paar Dinge über den Arcten gehört, besonders mit den Surface Ships, weil... Da war eine Frage in Chat, als wir über die Skatte sprechen, über die Konvoys sprechen. Wenn ein Arcten über die Konvoys scatters...
01:19:26 How far north can they go? Depends on the time of the year, because basically... Wherever the ice begins. Yeah, exactly. That was also a very big discussion in the British Admiralty. When to sail these convoys, because in summer you have more manoeuvring space. The ice is further north.
01:19:50 On the other hand, you have also a lot of ice packs that are breaking off and that's not ideal to sink into. There was an anniversary recently that was reminding of that. Another benefit of sailing in the summer is you can sail to Arkhangelsk, which at the time was a still fairly big city and with an existing connection, even though it wasn't the best.
01:20:19 On the other hand, you have daylight all the time, so good luck dodging the scout planes in that, because... Okay, either you had the daylight, or you had the fog so dense that it was a very big hazard for the convey itself. Yeah. And there was also a lot of weird meteorological phenomena, like you could get the fog, you can get the storm.
01:20:46 Or you can get a completely calm, flat sea that was apparently even very hard to navigate on, because basically it was really like a pane of glass, so you lose all the reference of where is who going and how fast, because... And again, it was a very good spotting table for the planes after that. Or you can go in the winter, and in winter it's dark, which...
01:21:12 Es ist nicht optimal für die Konvoi zusammengehalten. Auf der anderen Seite, es also bedeutet, dass man nicht über die Skautpläne beschäftigt hat, weil sie nicht sehen können. Es bedeutet, dass es mehr storms gibt. Die Wasser ist mehr constricted, weil der Eis ist mehr zu der anderen Seite. Und ja, und du kannst es über Murmansk fahren. Und Murmansk, in der Anfang der Krieg, war...
01:21:38 Das war nicht wirklich eine große Sache. Es war bereits ein Port, weil die Russen und die Sovjet-Navy der Basen der Basen, weil es nicht überraschend ist. Das war die einzige Vorteil der Basen. Es war also close zu Norwegen, also close zu der German-Occupied-Arie. Und die Railway dort war wirklich awkward. Es war sehr schnell. Es war nicht so schnell. Es war nicht genug Kapazität.
01:22:04 Das war wieder zu weit zu nahe der German-Occupate Areas, so es war für Airstrikes und so. Die Finns waren nicht glücklich, dass es existiert. Ich habe es zu sagen, dass die Northern Fleet nur in 1933 wurde, und sie hat nur wirklich begonnen, die Infrastruktur in da.
01:22:24 Ja, das ist
01:22:53 Das ist eigentlich das Long & Short. Also, etwas ich habe gelernt, als ich habe mich in die Geschichte, Inspired by Drecks Video, wie die Battle of the Barents Sea und die Engagements, die British Cruisers, die Germans wirklich do throw a lot of surface assets at the convoys. Es ist nicht nur die big-ticket items, wie Scharnoel oder Turpitz. Sie haben die German Destroyer kommen, um zu haben, zu haben. Sie haben... Sie haben keine Cruisers, ich denke, weil sie afraid sie werden können, die U-Boot Corps werden.
01:23:21 Lightcruisers, you mean? I wouldn't trust Leipzig in Arctic waters. Talking about the German lightcruisers, it sounds like we're being cruel at that point. They had a lot of good ideas, a lot of bright ideas were visited on those poor ships. Basically, for all the problems that the 15cm gun armed big destroyers had,
01:23:48 The light cruisers had more of them. And that's hard to do. The surprising thing to me is that given the engagements they were fighting in, why not take one of the cruisers that has stability problems, turn that into a training ship and send a good old Emden up there? She might be old, but at least she wouldn't fall over in an Arctic storm. Well, her main problem was she'd be too slow to escape. Speaking of Arctic storm, I just realized another...
Herausforderungen und Bedingungen in arktischen Konvois
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01:24:16 Es gibt noch eine große Herausforderung in den Arktischen Nacht, also in der Winter. Ice. Ich meine, es war gut genug in der Sommer, wenn es freezing war. Aber wenn man sich die Bilder von den Arktischen Konvois anschaut, kann der Ice-Bild-up sein sein. Es ist ein Bild von der HMCS Leamington, glaube ich, dass die gesamte Part der Bühne von der Branche nach vorne ist eine große Iceberg.
01:24:45 In dieser Situation, du kannst nicht mit GANs benutzen. Du hast Probleme zu sehen, wo du siehst. Und du kannst es überfließen, das ist nicht eine triviale Sache, weil es gab mehrere Fälle von kleineren S-Cort-Ships und generell kleineren S-Cort-Ships auf der Archie-Convoi-Route, einfach nur auf alle Hände, weil es nur in den stormen Wasser gibt.
01:25:12 Die Ice-Build-Up caused them to flip over and just gone. You've got Catch-22 going on as well. Some of the ice is just freezing on the ship because it's cold and it's a moist environment. But a lot of the ice forms in the rough weather when you get spray coming over the ship and immediately freezing on contact. Which of course, it's doubly bad because...
01:25:40 A storm where you're pitching and rolling is the last place you want to suddenly have loads of weight building up high on the ship and affecting your stability. But it's also the single worst time to send men out with pigs and sledgehammer to break it all off. So you have people, you know, a lot of captains basically keeping an eye on the inclinometers as they get further and further towards the tipping point.
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01:26:33 The ships can get... One of the things that's often forgotten about the ice, but this is the very real possibility. Actually, if you want to look at some of the more interesting ships we've discovered in terms of maritime archaeology over recent years, has been the fact that ships can build up ice quickly enough. It can literally cause them to glide below the surface and they basically become a submarine.
01:26:56 Und dann sind sie weg, natürlich, weil sie sich mit Wasser füllen, weil es der Eis ist. Und das passiert mit Merchantschips. Und das ist für einige Gründe, warum wir die Schicksäden so gut sind, in den Baltic und den Great Lakes. Und sogar jetzt, wir sind jetzt zu schauen, dass wir die Arctic waters finden und sagen, kann man, kann man, kann man, kann man, kann man, kann man, kann man, kann man, kann man, kann man, kann man, kann man, kann man, kann man, kann man, kann man, kann man, kann man, kann man, kann man, kann man, kann man, kann man, kann man, kann man, kann man, kann man, kann man, kann man, kann man, kann man, kann man, kann man, kann man, kann man, kann man, kann man, kann man, kann man, kann man, kann man, kann man, kann man, kann man, kann man, kann man, kann man, kann man,
01:27:23 The only reason they could have sunk in completely perfect condition is they're covered in ice. Yep. I mean, reading on the Arctic convoys, there was a very harrowing narrative basically from a lookout on one of the escort ships who was watching in the Arctic, well, winter storm minesweeper that was being transferred to the Soviet Union.
01:27:50 Basically, it was there, then a wave came, basically blocking the view, and when the wave went away, the ship just wasn't there. That's just a horrifying thought. Because these ships, the ships doing these runs, are not purpose-built Arctic weather, Arctic ocean configured vessels. In today's world, most of the ships that operate in those areas are purpose-built.
01:28:14 They have thickened hulls so they can push through ice flows. They have better capability to deal with ice buildup. These ships were gathered from all over the Allied powers. They weren't like brand new Liberty or Victory ships. They were old tramp steamers from before the First World War. Anything that could be devoted to these convoys was. Because from the Allied perspective, it was...
01:28:40 Up until the D-Day landings, the Soviets are fighting 90% of the Wehrmacht. And that politics aside, the level of destruction and annihilation going on on the Eastern Front just ate material, ate people. And so the Allies trying to provide stuff up through Iran, even stuff across the Pacific.
01:29:06 But the Arctic convoys were the quickest way to get materials from the factories of Detroit and Montreal and Liverpool to the Soviet forces to fight the Germans. Because at the end of the day, that was what it was for. It goes even further than that. Because you're not just trying to get a supply level to regenerate losses. You're trying to give them enough kit to generate new divisions, new formations.
Logistische Bedeutung der Arktis-Konvois und deutsche Strategien
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01:29:34 auf eine konstant, kontinuierende Basis. Und das Level von Kit Inflow we're talking hier begann die Belieferung. Ich meine, es ist nicht nur Finist-Produkt. Du hast Raw Material, du hast Specialist-Items, wie Radar und Fire Control. Du hast Dinge wie Large Bulk-Items, wie Uniforms. Du hast Bauxite, Iron-Ore, Manganese, Rubber. Ja, ich meine, du hast sogar so Sachen, die die USR nicht able...
01:30:03 Produzieren in den Beginn des Volumes, wie in Order of Appollets für die Officers, für die Officers' Uniforms, weil das auch ein von den Veränderungen, die die Sowjetische Armee gemacht hat während der Krieg, weil sie wussten, dass die Pre-Warschänderung der Ranks und die Dinge, die inwiefern nicht wirklich gut funktionieren kann.
01:30:30 Die Arktik-Konvoys sind, die die Kriegsmarine in den Kriegsmarinen können. Wenn die Kriegsmarine in den Kriegsmarinen können, kann die Kriegsmarine in den Kriegsmarinen machen. Wenn die Kriegsmarine in den Kriegsmarinen können, dann ist die Verteidigungs-Werth-Werth-Werth-Werth-Werth-Werth-Werth-Werth-Werth-Werth-Werth-Werth-Werth-Werth.
01:30:58 It's going to take the Germans months to burn, to destroy it all. Yeah. It's quite amusing that by the mid part of the war, the Germans themselves are getting desperate enough on the Eastern Front that when some of the raiding forces actually sail, they have to make a specific decision in Kriegsmarine, a high command, as to when, well, in their opinion, when they scatter the convoy.
01:31:25 Are they going to try and capture any of the ships or not? Because if they can, obviously whatever supplies it had on board instead of going to the Soviet Army goes to the Wehrmacht. The thing is, if we start considering it, it's that truism which comes through in all of war. We talk about sergeants think tactics. Captains and colonels think strategy.
01:31:53 Generals think logistics. Governments think production and transportation. That's war. Yeah. The reality of it. And it needs all five. Yeah, and this is what the naval war is all about. This is the thing. It's not the sexy stuff. This is the thing we often have with naval battles. I was listening to someone, I think it was on the BBC, but I'm not 100% sure, commentator the other day talking about victory in Europe, etc.
01:32:19 A, they annoyed me a bit because they said the only naval operation they could think about in World War II, which was a naval victory for the Royal Navy in Europe, was the Battle Atlantic, which meant they didn't consider any events in the Mediterranean and various other battles actually didn't matter to them. But leaving that to one side, the Battle Atlantic, they then sort of, and that was a war between the Royal Navy's destroyers and German submarines.
01:32:47 für die uh to allow goods to flow to britain and it wasn't just about goods flying to britain it's about goods flowing to all the powers the thing is the atlantic is a key position for getting resources also out for in case of torch and all the other things that are going on if you don't win the battle and the atlantic theater if you don't win those battles
01:33:11 You're in trouble, because that's your enabler. Your logistical enabler is sea power. Your ability to move these goods where you want to. That's what control the sea gives you. The ability to use the sea. And there is no point having control the sea if you can't use the sea. Absolutely. We do have a question from Prof de Historic. Did the Germans ever actually manage to seize a ship on an Arctic convoy?
01:33:38 Not so far as I'm aware. I think they came close actually during the PQ-17. I believe one ship surrendered to a submarine, but obviously the submarine couldn't take it as a prize, so they just... I know in terms of prizes seized overall, he doesn't specifically say Arctur, he just says convoy raids. In terms of prizes seized overall, the Hilfskroys seized some and the Shia seized some.
01:34:06 Graf Speich, es ist es. Aber es ist all... Aber wenn du dich an Priz Cruise bist, du bist über Hilfskreuzer oder die earliest Surface Raiding Cruisers. Das ist das, wenn du wirklich an es. Ja. Und wenn ich kurz kurz... Obviamente, dass wir uns von den Arcten auswählen, bringen wir uns zurück zu den Arcten. Um, jetzt zu highlighten, wie wichtig die Arcten von den Arcten waren zu den Germans. Du siehst sie, als ich gesagt habe, während der ganze Diskussion wir hatten, ein paar Arcten auswählen. Du siehst sie, siehst du siehst, siehst du siehst, siehst du siehst, siehst du siehst, in large numbers. So...
Deutsche Luftangriffe und sowjetische Unterstützung in der Arktis
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01:34:34 The troublesome Heinkel 177s are deployed in large numbers to Norway. Because the Germans realise that despite their problems, these are aircraft that can range out far and can carry sizes of bombs in numbers that they only need one of the ordnance they're carrying to sink a ship. And that massively increases their effectiveness. A Ju88 or a Heinkel 111 is a threat to a single vessel in a convoy.
01:35:02 mit der vollen Beleidung. Ein Heinkel 117 kann sinken drei, vier Ships und kann auch loiter. Es ist also freezing cold, so sie sind marginally less likely. Ja, genau. Ich würde sagen, sie sind marginally less likely to burst into flames. Ja, aber das ist eigentlich eine andere Sache, die manchmal passiert in den Arctic Convoys. Als ich erwähnt habe, ist, dass die Friesing miss, das komplizieren die Navigation ist. Es war oft oft...
01:35:29 Fairly low layer of the mist, where the ship's masts would actually stick out. So there were cases of the German patrol planes just randomly dropping bombs, basically as a harassment bombing somewhere there, because they can see the masts, they can see that there are ships somewhere there. They can't tell exactly how fast they are going or where, but they can just drop.
01:35:51 Eine Bombe per halb an hour will nur everyone's nerves. Ein Englischer Merchand-Schiff, right? Ja. Und da waren ein paar Fragen. Ja, die Sovjet-Northern Fleet participated in the limited resources it had. Sovjet destroyers would meet convoys for the final run in, which was one of the more dangerous parts of the run, because as soon as the convoy ships are in the more
01:36:20 Ja.
01:36:47 I mean, there is also some unsung heroes of the Arctic Convoys from the Russian perspective, which is the submarines of the Northern Fleet and the harassment work they tried to do, in particular the K-Class, along the Norwegian coast to continually harass...
01:37:04 German efforts to just operate coastline. I mean, there was that famous engagement where one of the Ks bought a gun jewel with two German gunboats and absolutely clobbered them. Yeah, and also the belief, and also Soviet intelligence and Soviet cooperation regarding Allied operations against Tirpitz. 617 Squadron famously operated from Russian and Soviet airbases to hit Tirpitz when she was out of range flying from the UK.
01:37:31 Soviet intelligence would help keep track of German surface deployments. Obviously, the Norwegian resistance provided sterling assistance to the Allied powers, because they could just sit on the fjord and look at it. And there's obviously the whole thing with PQ-17 and all the different pieces of information that Dudley Pound was working off.
Schwedische Unterstützung und alliierte Zusammenarbeit in der Arktis
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01:38:00 with the Swedes saying that she has sailed, the Norwegian Resistance having not said anything, because one of the most important jobs of the Norwegian Resistance was to basically have someone sit on the top of the fjord with a pair of binoculars, just counting German ships going in and going out, and then having a radio and communicating back to British intelligence what's going on. Can you mention the Swedes there, because they were also...
01:38:29 A very interesting organisation as a nation, because the amount of times they transmit information about what the Germans were doing in very loud broadcasts. The crews at Gotland reporting that Bismarck's just sailed by. And you can only just assume from the German perspective going, why?
01:38:53 Ja, es ist so, hey, guys, I've spotted you! The most powerful setting it could be. There is actually an argument, considering how powerful it was, that someone on the Gotland might have tried to rig up boosters. Because it seems to go, it's the radio equivalent of a blaring foghorn. I mean, Sweden was doing a lot of very funky stuff in this. There was also a lot of, like,
01:39:22 Informal talks with the British intelligence officers in Stockholm. Basically like, hey guys, we shouldn't tell you this, but this is happening. Or like the one Norwegian colonel who the Swedes would leak to when they wanted the Brits to know something. Yeah, I mean, the funniest part to me is Gothland broadcasts on...
01:39:42 auf Vaxxon volume, das ist eine warning. Und dann die Swedes sagen, du wirst du wirst, du wirst du wirst, du wirst, du wirst, du wirst, du wirst, du wirst, du wirst, du wirst, du wirst, du wirst, du wirst, du wirst, du wirst, du wirst, du wirst, du wirst, du wirst, du wirst, du wirst, du wirst, du wirst, du wirst, du wirst, du wirst, du wirst, du wirst, du wirst, du wirst, du wirst, du wirst, du wirst, du wirst, du wirst, du wirst, du wirst, du wirst, du wirst, du wirst, du wirst, du wirst, du wirst, du wirst, du wirst,
01:40:11 Was supposed not to land in Sweden, but... Most of it landed in Sweden? Yeah, kind of landed in Sweden. And Sweden even built quite a sizable Norwegian army unit that was basically being kept ready to be able to take back control of Norway once the situation turns.
01:40:36 Ja, at the same time Sweden was supplying the iron ore to Germany to basically because they again they had to kind of balance act but on the like general balance I would say they definitely contributed more to the allies than at least in the information warfare. And so like the thing with the Arctic is that obviously there's a lot of focus on
01:41:04 Es ist die größte Theater, die British und German naval forces clash in der Klassik-Gun-Fight. Arransee und North Cape, wo es eigentliche stand-up kämpft zwischen British und Amerikanern, weil Amerikaner sind, die erste Royal-Navy-U.S.-Navy-Operation ist PQ-17. Das ist warum USS Wainwright wurde.
01:41:32 für wenn die Konvoi closes ranks zu bekommen ein German airstrike. Und die Brits sind quasi auf die Deutschen warten, auf die Tür zu kommen, open fire, und hoffentlich schießt die Bombers. Und zu der Brits surprise, aus dem Nowhere, diese US-Destroyer einfach nur blazing off, direkt an ein paar Heinkels, auf jeden Fall sie hat. Weil die Amerikaner Perspektive war, der da ist, der da ist, der da ist, der da ist, der da ist, der da ist.
01:42:01 Und die Brits? Sie war also highly offended at being interrupted in the middle of her refueling. Ja, ja, ja. Ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja,
01:42:30 Gleefs, sogar besser. So, basically, sie war bereits mit der AA-Defense. Es war also der 4th July. Ich kann nicht vergessen, die exacten Worten, aber es war der Escort Commander, die US-Ships signalen und gesagt, wir verstehen, dass der 4th July 4th ist, dass die großen Feuerwerke ist. Wir glauben, dass du nicht verweigst.
01:42:59 Ja, aber... Das ist priceless, das ist brillant. Ja, seitdem wir... Ich habe ein paar Sekunden gesagt, wir sind in der Mitte, um, wir sind in der Mitte, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um,
01:43:26 Sovjet Northern Fleet was mentioned. Dressa Marines tried to be very active. Still, there wasn't enough of them. And that's one of the problems that the Russian and Soviet Navy had basically forever. They have to cover basically, what, four seas? Because there's the North Sea, there's the Baltic Sea, there's the Black Sea, there's the Pacific.
01:43:52 Basically in case of war, especially in case of World War II, they basically had no option how to transfer units from one of these areas to another. Basically every fleet was on its own. And what's worse is all their best infrastructure is sitting in the Baltic. All their best infrastructure is sitting in Leningrad area. And that's where their kangots are, that's where a lot of their resources are. And what isn't there is in the Black Sea.
01:44:20 Und sie können auch nicht aus den Norden fliehen. Ich glaube, es ist das, was der Pacific-Subs zu den Norden fliehen. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Du kannst eigentlich... Da ist die Netzwerk von Kanals, der links die Baltic zu den Norden Seas. Aber jetzt ist es sehr klein. Du bist nicht sogar destroyer. Leitkraft, corvettes, sloops, du kannst durch.
01:44:48 But even then, the problem you've got at that point is, even if they were at the level they got to in the 50s and 60s, where you can move things like destroyers and corvettes, there's the minor, tiny, insignificant problem that the Germans are set outside Leningrad with an awful lot of artillery. And if you try to move anything anywhere, they're going to go, excuse me, Hans, that's moving. Let's hit it with a few 150s. Okay, so how serious... Question from chat. How serious was the risk of friendly fire in...
Risiko von Eigenbeschuss und NATO-Standards
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01:45:16 in der Battle of Atlantik. Und ich denke, wir können auch die Arktik und die Mediteranwende auch noch dazu kommen. Es passiert ziemlich oft. Ja. Ich meine, es gab die Unintentional-Friendly-Fir. Ja. Typischerweise mit dem Flugzeug, alle starten auszuladen. Und besonders auf den Merchantschips, aber auch auf den Kriegschips. Die Crews waren nicht immer, wie, seizing fire fast genug, wenn friendly.
01:45:43 The classic example is Operation Viking, where you have the wonderful cooperation between the Luftwaffe and the Kriegsmarine, which leads to three Kriegsmarine destroyers, two sinking, because of communication failings and...
01:46:07 Ich würde sagen, dass ich ein German destroyer ist, das eine der größten Herausforderungen in World War II ist. Es ist eine große Herausforderung.
01:46:30 In the nicest way, they lost so many of them in the Norway campaign that Adolf Hitler comes up with the idea of taking their names off them because it looks bad when there was one sunk in the papers if it has a name. So they revert them to numbers. That takes away their morale. And then pretty much during the war, they're the number one target for everyone. It doesn't matter if they're Royal Navy, Kriegsmarine, Luftwaffe, Royal Air Force, pretty much...
01:46:56 Anyone who thinks they can get a kill is going after the poor German destroyers. Yeah, they don't have a good time. But it does happen with the Allies as well, especially earlier on in the war, given the RAF have the ability to miss entire countries. An RAF raid attempted to mine off Denmark. A Danish farmer woke up to the surprise of discovering his field had been ploughed by mines.
01:47:22 Because the RAF had missed the North Sea. Well, that's one of the ways, I guess, to know mines. I mean, they weren't the right kind of mines, but you have to remember, there was a very interesting paper, which is done in 1938, around about the time of the Inskip Award. The Inskip Award was in 1937. That's when the Royal Navy gets back to control the Fleet Air Arm.
01:47:47 And there is a whole discussion over the Royal Navy's insistence, and apparently the massive cost they've generated in the RF being happy to get rid of, of insisting that they have navigators, i.e. the observers, be all trained to be navigators as the second seat of their planes. Whereas the Royal Air Force, with their bombing front, was going, well, you only, whilst you have navigators aboard each aircraft, you only really need a pathfinder navigator, that is someone who is fully qualified in navigation.
01:48:13 But one in every 12 aircraft, because they can just follow each other onto the raid was the idea. Yeah. Hence, during World War II, the Royal Air Force has a rapid development in its training of navigation pilots. And what was what originally eventually becomes pathfinder standard, and this is the joke, is actually the same level which all Royal Navy navigators were trained to. And the whole reason was.
01:48:40 Please note, this is no reflection on the Royal Air Forces, the Pilots Evolved etc. It's the Air Ministry. The Air Ministry believed that enemy nations would never be smart enough to turn off the lights in their cities. So you'd always have easy navigation points to go to. It would be unsporting, wouldn't it? Exactly. Yes.
01:49:03 Basically, in the UK, you always have to remember, there's the RAF, who are the organisation, who are usually quite clever, quite capable people. And then there's the Air Ministry, which is their political side, who do all sorts of weird things. Yeah, I mean, I've been watching, just very quickly, I've been watching Hard Thrash's videos on the bombing campaign in World War II. It's like watching a farce at first.
01:49:30 We do have a question that would definitely be right up dragged, Ali. Can we say anything about the sinking of Edinburgh? Perhaps the most expensive sinking of the war? Just before we get to that, I would just quickly jump to the Friendly Fire question, because there were several big incidents also concerning Allied navies.
01:49:58 Especially with all the Polish, French, Belgian, Dutch, Norwegian crews, not everyone was up to on Royal Navy signals, so one Polish submarine was lost to Friendly Fire, definitely. Several submarines were likely lost to Friendly Fire, because basically at the height especially of the convoy battles and basically any time after 1940, let's say.
01:50:23 Basically, if there is a submarine that you are not sure whether it's friendly or not, it's not friendly, so you just bomb it for good measure. When in doubt, the stream is a U-boat. Yeah, if you are US Army Air Force, you then report that you have sunk enemy cruiser and the submarine captain files an angry complaint, but... I mean, the thing is, you can operate as an Allied submarine in the Atlantic, you just have to be on the surface.
01:50:49 with the biggest white ensign or US flag you can find strapped to your mast. Yes. It also doesn't help that sometimes some of the Free Navy submarines were designed by a suspiciously Germanically staffed Dutch firm, or at least...
01:51:05 ...we're heavily influenced by, and they look very much like Type 7s or Type 9s. Yes, they are basically... You export your boats. I would say this has a legacy today, because this is one of the reasons why NATO, as an organisation, has always been so obsessed with standards and communication protocols. And in many ways, NATO is far more of a standards organisation than its alliance. It's about providing a framework for everyone to work together. Because the legacy of World War II, of the amount of friendly fire instances...
01:51:32 Because we didn't have it worked out how to work together. Yeah. And we didn't have all the issues of trying to work out how to work together. And it's often the example we tend to use is the examples from the Pacific Fleet, of course, where Victorious and Saratoga, when they're working together, when Victorious was being USS Robin, Victorious takes over control of the fighters and Saratoga takes control of the strike aircraft. And there's all sorts of ideas put forward of why that's the case, why they do this. Well...
Kombinierte Operationen und die Rolle der Edinburgh im Zweiten Weltkrieg
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01:51:59 The reason, broadly speaking, for it being done is actually because it makes it easier for them to coordinate by going, okay, we're all going to run the air defense on British protocols, and so we all learn the British protocols, and we're going to run the strike on American protocols, so we learn the American protocols, because that means then there's going to be less confusion and disruption, and they're actually going to be able to work together. And that's the very beginnings of combined operations of working together.
01:52:28 Ja, ich meine, das war auch der Grund, dass die Amerikaner sehr viel wollte, endlich nach einem Zeitpunkt lernen, die britische Kontrolle Protokolle, weil sie einfach superioren waren. Und die Amerikaner nicht so gedacht, dass sie so in early 1942 waren, aber die Karriere-Battles in den Solomons-Solomons-Solomons-Solomons
01:52:55 ist es helfen, wenn die Piloten einfach nicht in den Radiuszlern. Ja, wenn man eine Fighter-Control-Direktion-Frequenz hat, und niemand hat eine Idee von Signal Disziplin, dann wird es sehr schwierig zu sagen. Es ist großartig, wir haben 50 Fighters auf Combat Air Patrol, und alle sprechen auf einer Frequenz, wo wir ihnen sagen, wo sie sind, wo sie sind. Ja, und sie sind ziemlich excited.
01:53:23 Ja, aber mit Regards to Edinburgh, Edinburgh ist eine ziemlich interessante eine, in dass sie sehr, sehr, sehr, sehr survives, despite taking catastrophic damage, almost from the outset. So, of course, sie ist most famous für carrying a bunch of gold. Aber sie ist auf eine Return trip. Sie wird Torpedoed, und obwohl die Torpedoe hits Amid-Ships, weil Edinburgh ist, of course, Belfast's sister-ship, sie hat eine ziemlich unique...
01:53:51 engine and machinery layout that no i'm pretty sure almost no other cruiser shares because if you look at almost every cruiser ever built there's always a funnel immediately behind the superstructure and the funnels indicate where the boilers are and normally you go you know board magazines small gap machinery spaces whether that's boiler turbine boiler turbine in a unit system or just lots of boilers and then turbines whatever but with belfast and edinburgh
01:54:19 The Royal Navy was concerned that if you have really long propeller shafts, you're going to end up with magnetically detonated mines and torpedoes, and the upheaval that causes could bend the propeller shaft, which would then cause problems. So they decided, okay, we're going to move the turbines as far back in the design as we possibly can, and then we're also going to move the boilers as far back so they're nice and close to the turbines, because you don't want to have extended steam lines, because then you lose...
01:54:48 Lose Temperature & Pressure. And that means that on Belfast and Edinburgh you have this odd thing of the superstructure ends and then there's a big gap, which in the early part of the war is where you find the aircraft handling and launching facilities, and then the funnel. And this actually saves Belfast when she gets mined.
01:55:09 And it almost saves Edinburgh, because the first torpedo she takes is basically dead amid ships. So on a normal cruiser, that would have been at least one, possibly two machinery compartments breached. They're the biggest compartments on the ship, so you would have had major loss of power, major flooding. Ship probably goes down very soon thereafter. But because the torpedo somewhat opens up some of the machinery compartments, but also ends up just flooding a whole bunch of smaller subdivided compartments forward, she's actually got some power.
01:55:38 And a little bit of control. So they're gradually meandering their way back to Russia, also the Soviet Union, to get repaired. And then a bunch of German surface vessels show up. Initially, they're trying to attack various other targets, but, you know, Edinburgh's there, why not? And you get this rather desperate game of keep away that's being played. And initially, it's the...
01:56:06 british escorts versus the german ships but then edinburgh which obviously they've had to cast off the tov during this period she hasn't quite got proper steering so she ends up going around in a big circle but then when they notice oh we're coming back in a big circle towards the fight she just emerges out of the mist and the and the spray and they're like oh well you know what we're drifting through this gun battle we might as well fight it so this half-wrecked ship is just blazing away merrily with its six inch guns
01:56:35 Und dann, in was quasi eine Comic Tragedie ist, eine von den Germanen Spielen ein Torpedos auf einer von den Britishen Spielen, die es befindet, und dann die Torpedos coasts auf ein paar Tausend mehr Yards und, bei pure luck, Nails Edinburgh, almost genau wo die erste Torpedos war, um, die, um, die, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um.
01:57:03 Admittedly, very low-quality pictures taken when everyone's coming up to take survivors off the ship. And you can basically see through the ship. The last continuous deck is still intact. And it looks like pretty much that's the only thing holding the two halves of the ship together. Good lord. There's some question as to whether or not the keel is still intact or not at that point. But of course, there's no chance of...
01:57:30 actually getting her anywhere. But bizarrely enough, she's also not sinking very quickly. So they end up, once they've taken survivors off, they end up actually putting more ammunition into her than the Germans did to make sure she goes down, which she eventually, you know, she deigns to sink at some point. And then, you know, decades later, they went off to find her to salvage all the gold.
01:57:57 Very, very bizarrely, despite the fact she sank with basically her middle shot out of her, when they found her, she's still in, well, as far as could be said, one piece, i.e. the two halves of the hull are still joined together, despite sinking in all the stress of that and smacking into the bottom. And if she had survived, she probably would have become that design of the...
01:58:20 Belfast and Edinburgh, with the way they put their machinery and everything was positioned, would probably become the basis of all future cruiser and now, probably today, destroyer construction, because it would have proved so survivable. It would have gone down in legend and would have become almost naval architecture heresy to design something which was a different form. Because that's how these things happen. Yeah, basically the damage that you described, it's kind of similar to what happened to even to USS Atlanta in the naval battle of Gurel Canal, right?
Arctic Convoys, Unglückliche Ereignisse und eine U-Boot-Anekdote
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01:58:49 Da war es nur eine Torpede, aber auch eine große Midschippe, und sie war eigentlich sinken seit dann, aber sie war sinken für fast 24 Stunden. Aber eigentlich, die Edinburgh-Case also bringt eine Sache, die Arctic-Konvoys waren, die auf die Royal Navy Cruisers genommen haben, weil zwei Wochen nach Edinburgh,
01:59:16 Royal Navy lost another cruiser, Trinidad. Also in quite similar circumstances, because, I mean, first Trinidad was damaged by her own torpedo. Yes, it came back at her. Yes. Basically, what seems to have happened is that the torpedo suffered some malfunction due to the cold and was traveling far slower than it should have been.
01:59:45 Trinidad hat den Torpedos und, während Zigzagging, hat den Torpedos in den eigenen Torpedos. So, das ist einfach... Ja. Es gibt Situation, das ist einfach, einfach einfach einfach einfach einfach einfach einfach einfach einfach einfach einfach einfach einfach einfach einfach einfach einfach einfach einfach einfach einfach einfach einfach einfach einfach einfach einfach einfach einfach
02:00:12 Ja, so der Torpedo ist schnell genug, aber auch mit dem Zieg-Zag, du endest es bashing in. Es ist... Wenn du das Skript als ein Movie-Script würdest, dann würden sie nicht glauben. Ja, es ist wie, wenn man eine Natural-Rolling eine 1-R-Dice hätte, würde man sich expect. Immediately rollen die gleiche Nummer wieder, ist es... Du wirst ein Lied der Dice hätte sein.
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02:01:05 Can I tell my funny Arctic convoy story? Go on. This is actually included in my recently released in the US, soon to be released in the UK book on HMS Belfast, obligatory plug. There was one chap who would then go on to visit HMS Belfast quite regularly when she became a museum ship. And he was sent with a message for a turret, which is the forwardmost turret.
02:01:31 So he comes out of the forward superstructure, heading for a turret, because for whatever reason the internal communications aren't working. And just as he's getting up to the turret, this is when Belfast is on an arctic convoy route, obviously, the ship takes a plunge into a particularly big trough, and half the arctic ocean comes pouring over the bow.
02:01:54 And he kind of looks at this wall of ice water coming out and is like, well, that was an interesting life I've led. Because, yeah, your survival time, if you get swept overboard in those conditions, is about a minute, if you're lucky. But just on instinct, he reaches out to grab one of the handles that's either side of the hatch to help pull you through the hatch, which is, of course, shut at this point. So he grabs onto it.
02:02:21 But he said at the time, he's like, it's not going to do anything, because that amount of water is just going to rip you clean off the ship, no matter what you hold on to. Except for the one small detail he'd forgotten of the fact it was negative ridiculous. So his glove immediately froze solid on contact with the metal, which meant he now could not let go of that stanchion for love nor money.
02:02:47 Das heißt, dass das Wasser über ihn über ihn war, dass er sich in den Wasser wie ein Pennant in den Wasser war. Aber es war nichts auf dem Planeten, dass er ihn von ihm war. Das kann nicht sein. Der Schiff kommt auf und das sehr, sehr frozen, bedraggelte Mann ist hammering, mit seinem Last Remaining-Strengthen, auf der Hatch-Door, um jemanden zu lassen ihn in. Und die Turret-Crew sind einfach so, dass jemand auf den Türken ist. Und die Türken sind einfach so, dass jemand auf den Türken ist.
02:03:15 At which point they have to pour, well, initially it's supposed to be hot water, but apparently it was just tea because that was what they had to hand. So they have to very carefully pour some tea over his glove to defrost it enough that he can get his hand out of the glove and then haul him inside for more tea to help warm him up again. That is truly a life-threatening situation because they're pouring tea away.
02:03:42 Let's be honest, for a Royal Navy crew in World War II to pour T away, they must have liked him. He must be quite a nice guy, because if there was any demurement, you know, he has value. Yeah, what I would say is, first of all, that poor man's wrist, that hand is attached to, firstly. Secondly...
02:04:04 um luckiest man on that particular day i would think regardless where you are in the world in chat temmatius 82 mentions that he heard that from the crew on belfast when he when they visited belfast in 2019 he's like yeah the the not only did the guy survive but as i said when he went back to when belfast became museumship he was a regular visitor i met him two or three times in my youth when i was visiting the ship
02:04:31 Und es war ein Story he'd always tell, und es hat auch been picked up by the crew. Es ist almost wie sie sollte commemorate es, indem sie es auf die Hache verwenden. Ja, das könnte funktionieren. Superglue. Ja, ich erwähnte sie vor Drack, aber ich möchte wiederholen zu ihnen wieder. Die Leute, die, wie zumal, der WORST Job haben...
02:04:55 But also the only people in the Arctic Convoys who actually had a nope, I'm out of here for five minutes, I'm taking a break moment. The U-boats. Because when you're on the surface, it's hell. But of course, you can just go, no, we're going down for a bit. We're going to take a break. You can either fly over bad weather, or you can sail under bad weather. Yep. Actually, speaking of U-boats, I believe that the Kriegsmarine was...
02:05:24 Testen, painting the Conning Towers white to kind of like pretend that the U-Boat is a little iceberg. I have not the U-Boat. The crews kind of pointed out that any ship looking would get very suspicious about.
02:05:41 Eisberg that is overtaking them. Why is that iceberg making 17 knots? Exactly. It's a turbo iceberg with the 6-liter engine. Also, even if they're drifting or just they've popped up the periscope for steerage speed, the fact is, if there's a lump of ice close to the ship, you always want to keep an eye out for that in case you hit it or it hits you. So it's like, yes, you might think it's an iceberg, you're still going to take evasive measures.
02:06:10 Oder wenn es klein ist, dann könnte man es einfach öffnen, denn sie hat nichts anderes zu tun. Also, hey, gunnery practice! A large part of the naval aviation of the Soviet Northern Fleet spent its time bombing ice sheets. To open up channels for ships to sail through. Well, that's one way to make use of Soviet naval aviation. And the other was to give them hurricanes and have them cover convoys, at least on the final leg, which sometimes worked.
02:06:39 Again, communication issues were probably the biggest problem because... At least a hurricane is something that a British crew member will look up and probably not immediately start shooting at it. Probably, yeah. The earlier Soviet planes tended to have these problems. To be fair, the hurricanes were...
02:07:00 I love them dearly, but by that point, they were really on their last legs. And the way the Soviet pilots flew them, because the Soviet doctrine was to train them to fly their aircraft at maximum power for pretty much the whole time they were airborne. Yeah. Which makes sense for their tactical operations and scenarios. It isn't what a Hurricane's designed for. Yeah. On the other hand, the Hurricane was designed with big, nice gun base in the wings, which gave the Soviet mechanics...
02:07:29 All sorts of fun practice in trying to fit the Soviet large caliber machine guns and cannons. The Soviet mechanics had a fantastic time messing with the Hurricanes. They found all sorts of things to be attached to those Hurricanes. They could really be adapted. The Western Allies would provide the equipment and the Soviets would go, cool, how do we put a bigger gun in it? They didn't have tanks, they didn't have planes. But that's also why the Soviet...
02:07:57 Warum soviets so lieben Aircobras? Weil sie schon mit dem großen Barsen kamen. Das ist so wie ein sovietser Krieger, aber in Amerika gebaut. Wir nehmen das. Es ist so, wenn man zu Matt Ivan's workshop und sagt, hey comrade, ich habe ein Huracan mit 707, ich habe ein Huracan mit 12.7, ich habe ein Huracan mit 20 mil, und für eure besondere Preis, ich habe ein Huracan mit 237, und ich habe ein paar Pferde von Aircobras, nur für euch.
Vorstellung neuer Schiffe: Italienische, sowjetische und japanische Designs
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02:08:23 Anyway, we get a signal from Productions. Okay. So, it's time for Secret Documents. Yeah, Secret Documents. And we have to go, like, chat for reference. Okay, this is what I'm dealing with here. Like, there are many pages. Oh, yes, Drack doesn't know. Drack doesn't know about Secret Documents. We will start backwards. Backward? Yes, the last page. Yes, so...
02:08:50 Um, for those of you who remembered, uh, the last batch of ships that we announced, some of them didn't have their models, uh, ready to display. Uh, this is, uh, Marcantio Colonna, uh, Tire Italian battleship. She's, uh... Looks elegant. She's Caracciolo, but given the treatment of, uh, Marco Polo. So, high-caliber sap, and, and, uh, sap secondaries and such, so...
02:09:18 All of her statistics are in the 14.4 New Ship dev blog that you can find on our website. On our dev blog website. So, um... A refitted Caracciolo. Don't take this the wrong way, but that is one sexy looking hull. She is quite nice. Francesco Caracciolos have always been my favourite Italian. Oh, they have been. They were gorgeous looking ships. They are the great wassip of naval history. Hey, Dr. Clark, you know what I'm going to say, don't you?
02:09:47 Sie sehen genau wie sie sieht. Sie sieht genau wie die Charakterello ist in Drake's Drum. Ja. Die Frage ist, ob sie hat rangefinders, die können in den double digits sein können? Ich würde haben zu counten. Ich bin auf die Superfiring Forward Turret und das ist eine Honk-ing-Greit-Pare. Ja, so... Von der Quick-Analysen habe ich gemacht, die Bilder, ich würde sagen, sie sieht wie sie hat. Ja.
02:10:16 But up next we have the... Do we have the Soviet option? The first of two. It's Zaya Zabadi, which is a Vladivostok, so TSKB-4, if you want to be particularly detailed on what design she's derived from. And again, we already announced her statistics previously. She is Gigatank. That's what she's for.
02:10:45 Er ist da, dass ihr Team nicht mehr haben. Normalerweise, ich bin nicht ein Fan von der Mint-Greenen auf sowjetischen Ships. Und die Lichtung in dieser Clip ist nicht so, aber ich quite like das Scheme. Ja, so das ist nicht ein Projekt 24. Das sieht aus wie ein Soyuz. Das ist die Funnel Arrangement. Das ist ein TSKB-4, die Vladevostok und Zabadi sind. Das ist ein Domestik-Soviet-Developments für Battleships.
02:11:13 pre-Sovetsky Soyuz. So there's an Italian influence in her, but this is more Soviet than Italian. Yeah, you can see some of the cues they've taken from things like Littorio. Yes, and then the last one of the previously announced ships. Again, this is one everyone's going to love. Yes, it's a submarine. Tier 10. I-56 has her late war configuration.
02:11:40 Very green. Yes, very green. Very, very, very green. And with a radar. I don't recognise that. Could one of my colleagues fill me in? So she is a... I'm trying to remember her statistics right now. Do you have the numbers, sir?
02:12:00 So, again, these are just ships that we've already announced. This one's a boat. It's a submarine. Yes, correct, correct, correct. She's not a Type B, is she? Yes, she's a Type B. She's one of the smaller Japanese cruiser subs. Yes. I did not recognise a Type B without that forward cap. At all.
02:12:28 Yes, this is after it was removed and replaced with additional AA. Changes their profile completely. So do we want... Regarding her statistics a bit, as Killerbin was asking, we have currently 25,600 hit points with an all-round 19mm plating, Tier 10, obviously, as we can see. There is, of course, HE shells for her main battery.
02:12:55 It consists of one single 140mm gun with a firing range of 10km. Her dive capacity stock is 90 units with a depletion of 1 unit per second and a recharge rate of 2 units per second.
02:13:11 um otherwise she has um six times one torpedo tubes um with a maximum damage of 20 800 and a range of 15 kilometers and a number of six boat tube uh uh six six torpedo tube loaders in the bow um
02:13:30 And a speed of 30 knots, with five different consumables, which are Damage Control Party, Hydrophone, Reserve Battery Unit, Main Battery, Reload Booster, and Submarine Surveillance. Yes. That is what I would expect from a ship equipment. Although it's obviously the early 44 configuration, because she doesn't have a Kai-10 on board. Yes, she has not been Kai-10 yet. Okay, Fruchtini, do we want to do the funny one?
02:13:57 Or the really funny one, because we don't have photos of them yet. But you know how to say the name of the really funny one. So, let me quickly go for my pieces of letters. No, that's the wrong one. We don't want to talk about that one yet. Also that one yet. This comes for later. This comes also for later. That is the easy name. Ah, there we go. So, a million pieces of paper. In the meantime...
02:14:26 from the voice of the deep announcing kind of a german ship but not um the french took it it is um
02:14:48 It was in honor of Jean Lartique, the head of the French Naval Aviation, who was killed in a German air raid in 1940. So that's a bit to the history of where the name comes from. We do currently not have any images of her as it is not final, but as mentioned, it is a hypothetical conversion of our German Hildebrand in-game.
02:15:14 So basically it is the hull of the Hildebrandt with her main casement secondaries while armed with otherwise French guns and then French secondaries and French aircraft. But maybe our dear Kilobin can give us a bit more information. Yes, so basically if you take Hildebrandt as being quite focused on her aircraft, Amaral is the complete opposite. She prioritizes her main gun firepower with a supporting squadron.
02:15:41 Das ist effektiv, aber es hat einen langen Kühlen. Sie werden nicht viel benutzen. Sie ist eine halbewegung zwischen Marseille und Hildo. Wir haben noch nicht die Bildung, aber ich kann noch ein paar Nummern erzählen, wenn ich die Seite sehe.
02:16:01 So basically, she primarily focuses on her main guns. So you just got to basically make sure to not get too close because you are a big target. But overall, she should be a good solid compatriot to the French large cruisers. And none of us can pronounce the name because our French colleague is not in today.
02:16:30 Aber wir haben auch noch einen Schiff zu zeigen, der nicht ein Modell. Also noch einen Schiff zu erzählen. Ja, noch einen Schiff zu erzählen. Ja, einen Schiff zu erzählen. Ja, das ist ja. Willst du sie nehmen? Sibiria? Oh, sie senden mich zu Sibiria. Ja. Ja, so wie der Name erwähnt, es ist ein Soviet-Battleship. Es ist ein Battleship, es ist...
02:16:56 Basically, further development of the Soviet Union. And it includes big guns. Yes. It's basically 457mm Soviet Union. And, yeah, I mean, the name fits the big ship with a big region. It's kind of more secondary focused Kremlin, so to speak.
02:17:25 Yes. So, yes, she has improved the secondary battery. She also carries a combat instruction that is activated by a secondary battery and by potential damage. So basically that's the Pan-American Battleship gimmick, but what it does is it improves the main battery accuracy when charged. Yes. And also she has
02:17:54 So for those of you who know about our upcoming U.S. Destroyers, which have a... Their smoke screens are time-based rather than charge-based. Sabir will have a take on that where her heal is time-based. So you have a set amount of healing that you can activate when it is appropriate. So you have about 80 seconds of healing that you can basically use on demand.
02:18:23 Ja. Sie hat 108,300 hit points. Mit 32mm platt. Der Hauptbatter ist 9,457mm guns in 3x3 configuration. Ich meine, das ist normal. Mit einem Reload von 33 Sekunden.
02:18:47 Und wir haben bereits die Combat Instruktionen gehört. Sie sind entweder mit den Angriffen mit den Sekunden oder mit den Potenzialen. Ja, also würde ich eigentlich interessant sein, wie die Spieler handeln eine Zeit-Based Heal. Ja, definitiv. Weil Kremlin ist bereits ein Get-In-Your-Face-Ship. Das ist ein More-Get-In-Your-Face-Ship.
02:19:13 I think we can leave the clones behind, because I see the people in chat being angry. Oh, more clones! Yes, guys, more clones! So, we are now going to announce another Russian battleship. Yeah, another Russian battleship. Can I just ask a question? It's our Primaris Lieutenant battleship.
Weitere Schiffsankündigungen: Sowjetische, britische und amerikanische Schiffe
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02:19:34 Ja, wir haben einen amerikanischen Schiff heute. Wir haben einen amerikanischen Schiff. Wir haben das in advance. Wargaming ist nicht das aware. Wir haben eine Hardline in der Conclave. Oh, ich liebe das Camouflage. Wir sind sehr glücklich. Tier VII, soviet Battleship Arkhangelsk.
02:20:03 Oh, that's a very pretty camo. That is a very, very pretty camo. But I'm noticing... I'm not sure if Drac can confirm. I'm sure Drac will know. I'm noticing she has some of her casemates plated over. More than I would expect. It's right at the end of the war. So, given that the Revengers are always a lot tighter on space and tonnage than the QEs, you're going to start losing casemate guns.
02:20:32 Well, partly in refits, because if you notice, it's the forward guns that are plated over. So that's the ones most likely to flood out. But also, you just want to save weight for anti-aircraft guns and radar and all the other fancy gubbins that they stick on an R-Class that's had the good fortune to survive vaguely intact. She's got a weird mix. She seems to have some pom-pom. She's got, obviously, heavy still British 4-inch.
02:20:59 And she does have some pom-pom seeming on the wings, but she also seems to have Russian .45 and .23 mil on the four and a half superfiring turrets. Yep. I like how Chad is like, finally an Arculus! Yes. So, let us first talk about Arkhangelsk. Okay. I mean, we do have another British ship coming up. So, obviously, as you can probably tell, yes, this is HMS Royal Sovereign as provided to the Soviet Union.
02:21:29 in lieu of the Italian reparations that they demanded. She served with the Northern Fleet between 1944 and 1949, before being returned to the UK and scrapped. In battle, Archangels is best used for punishing enemies at medium to long range. She combines good AP show characteristics with a better than average rate of fire and good accuracy. However, she pays for this impressive firepower with her low speed.
02:21:54 So from the sound to that you've modelled her with superchargers? Yes. I had to go digging through and find the velocities. What speed have you given her? We have given her best possible. So 22. 23.
02:22:21 We checked, we had to go digging to find her trial speeds. Okay, the specific ship's trial speed, yeah, fair enough. We couldn't tell you anything. We didn't do that. When you were doing low speed, I thought, oh god, they've not given her actual 19 knot speed, have they? No, no. It would be interesting to have the 15-inch supercharges in the game. But obviously, without further ado...
02:22:49 Oh, it's Barfleur! Tier IX, British Destroyer Barfleur. The only battle class to actually serve during World War II. That's very nice. She was present at the Surrender in Tokyo Bay. She served in the Suez Crisis. She was at the Spithead Naval Review for Queen Elizabeth II's Coronation.
02:23:17 Und sie hat ein bisschen heavy AA-fit? Ja, das ist sie als Bild. Und sie ist die erste Torpedo-Focused-British-Destroyer. Und ich habe, all of a sudden, lost die Page, wo ihre Numbers sind. Ich habe es hier. Torpedo-Focused? Ja. Okay, ich habe es hier, aber es geht nicht. Okay. Ja, so... Ich habe das Torpedo-Focused-British-British-British-British-British-British-British-British.
02:23:45 Ich weiß nicht, Kismet zu sagen, warum ein UKDD hat eine frische Name? Die Grund für das ist, dass die Royal Navy hat einen ziemlich interessanten Habit, während bestimmte Konflikten, von 17ern bis 19ern, wir tenden zu nicken viele frische Spiele, und wir haben einfach nur die Namen, nachdem wir nicken. Also, das ist die Battle-Class. Also, das ist die Battle-Class. Also, das ist die British Crown, für ziemlich lange Zeit...
02:24:12 Es ist eine sehr, sehr, sehr, sehr, sehr, sehr, sehr, sehr, sehr, sehr, sehr, sehr, sehr.
02:24:37 a Centurion-class battleship which had been launched in 1892, and the battle-class destroyer. Yes. Yes. Because after World War II, we suddenly got worried about upsetting the French too much with some of our namings. There was even a debate over HMS Trafalgar not that long ago. Yeah. But she is... It's interesting because you called her a torpedo-focused ship, and in Royal Navy construction, because of...
02:25:04 her design and shaping it's actually all shaped around those guns at the front the four and a half inch guns because they didn't have an upper deck mount ready for them to go that wouldn't be fit see ships till the daring class which are the post-war build um so they have four and a high four point five inch deck penetrating guns and deck penetrating mounts so they're bd mounts as they're called in british in british parlance so they're actually the same mounts you'd see on a capital ship those four and a half inch guns
02:25:33 Ja, ich meine, das ist ziemlich gut.
02:26:02 Their main specialty will be the torpedoes, as mentioned. She will obviously have the British specialty of single launch torpedoes. And she has 10 torpedoes, 2 x 5. But the fun part here is the torpedo reload. Because the torpedoes are single launch and single reload. But you have only one reloader, so it will take some time to reload all of them.
02:26:29 Fired them all at once, but in general, it's a mechanism that is very similar to the submarine torpedo tubes. You'll always have some of them. So what you've basically done is created a ship with two twin rapid firing 4-5 guns forward, a nasty sting in its tail for attacking aircraft aft, and 10 torpedoes, each of which can be released as an individual target. Gentlemen...
02:26:58 You've created a Destroyer Hunter. Something that can go and tangle with enemy DDs and just fight the floor with them. At her tier, there's a lot of things with bigger bites than her. Yep. Yeah. But it's the culmination. They might have bigger bites, but are they going to add up to the same...
02:27:19 Total. Well, that is what... The commander is going to be able to get a lot of skill out of that ship. That is what the testing will determine. But we have two more ships left to go. There is more stuff. And to poke up at a comment from Isaac Destroyer, saw another paper ship, not more historical ships like USS Saratoga, USS New Jersey, HMS Barham, HMS Royal Oak, HMS Prince of Wales, Hunnums, I guess that's... That's Royal Norwegians. Yeah, that's...
02:27:48 ein norwegian ship um or a swedish svenner um the us is nevada and the hms royal sovereign sovereign well unlucky for you we have her nobody expects the royal sovereign inquisition yes on the topic of barfleur i think you put her in for me didn't you oh of course
02:28:10 Two arcarts in one day. Technically it's the same arcarts. Exactly. To quote a certain viceroy of a certain trade federation, this is getting out of hand. Now there are two of them. Yes, that's good. So Tier VII British battleship, HMS Royal Sovereign, built in the 1910s, served in World War I, took part in fleet actions such as the Battle of Calabria and the Indian Ocean operations.
02:28:39 Sie wurde von der Serviet Union nach Arkengelsk gegründet, wo sie mit der Norden Fleet served. Die letzte Verteidigung von ihrer Klasse, sie wurde in 1949 zurückgekehrt. In der Krieg, Sovereign wird ein slower Juggernaut, mit secondarien beobachten eine hohe Rate von den Schiff, sowie main-batterie-guns, armd mit typischen Royal Navy-improved High-Explosive, das beobachten eine hohe Fire-Chance und Penetration. Dies, in Kombination mit der Hydro-Acoustik-Search-Enhanced Repair Party,
02:29:07 So that's an instant play for me then. Yes. Have you enabled British battleships to ram submarines? Yes.
02:29:33 Good, because that is the traditional methodology of a British battleship on dealing with a submarine. I've killed three submarines with my warspite through the glorious ram action. Now, as someone who only tangentially plays World of Warships once every ten years, I just get to look at pretty ships and say, ooh. Yes, so for reference, her subsurveillance will detect submarines at a range of six kilometers.
02:30:02 Das ist eigentlich sehr gut für Hattier. Das ist ein bisschen. Ja. Und... ...since wir konnten das besser haben, weil, dass die College of Cardinals einen amerikanischen Pope hat... ...wir sind sehr glücklich, wenn Sie bereit sind, Herr. Tier 10! US Destroyer! USS Laffitt! Hey, hey, hey, hey! Ja, so...
02:30:28 Das heißt, dass wir 100 Kamikazes kommen für ihn und gesagt haben, dass wir einen Kamikaze kamo bekommen haben. Das heißt, dass wir eine Post-Kamikaze kamo bekommen haben? Wir sind die Post-Kamikaze kamo bekommen. Ja, wir sind die Post-Kamikaze kamo. Ja, wir sind die Post-Kamikaze kamo. Ja, so US-Slaffi. Damn, ich habe es geschafft. Ich habe es geschafft. Ich habe es geschafft, aber es ist US-Slaffi.
02:30:56 Er war ein L&M Summer Destroyer, dann repurposed für ein High-Speed Minelayer. Und in dieser Position wurde sie verwendet in definitiv nicht eine Minelaying-Duty von Okinawa. Und sie wurde von sehr vielen Kamikazes gewonnen. Und sie wurde auch von sehr vielen Kamikazes geholfen.
02:31:22 Glückwunsch, wie wir vorhin schon erwähnt haben, um sie zu sinken, musst du sie auf eine sehr große Feuer geben, oder die Wasser geben. Und keine von den Hits machen, um sie zu sinken. So, nachdem sie auf eine sehr große Feuer geben, sie überlebt, und sie wurde repariert. Ja, und für die Leute, die in Chat fragen, nein, das ist nicht ein Fletcher. Das ist ein Allen M. Sumner-Class-Destroyer. Guys, wenn Sie fragen, ob es ein Gearing ist, würde ich es verstehen, aber Fletcher...
02:31:50 Seriously? There are twin turrets! Yes, the closest ship in the game already is Yuyang, which is also an LNM Sumner class. Yes. These are basically... The LNMs are the class between Fletcher and Gearing. Yeah. Basically, slightly shorter Gearing. Yes. Yeah, the LNM Sumner's just...
02:32:12 I will admit, Zell&M Summers in the Gearrings, beautiful shit. They are, but every time I see them, I just get overwhelmed by how low their freeboard is for some reason. And it's when you realise that they've actually raised the torpedoes and they can afford to raise the torpedoes up on something to launch them. Whereas, you know...
02:32:33 Für die Britischen müssen sie immer deck mounten werden, weil wenn sie etwas höher sind, werden sie, wenn sie das Wasser verbrechen werden, weil sie von etwas höheren Positionen werden werden. Es hat ein Low-Freeboard und es ist Blum. Sie sind sehr schön, aber es freaks mich einfach so, diese Low-Freeboarden. Ja, ich mag es, aber ich mag frischen Kippen. Ich muss nur sagen, dass in diesem Video die Camouflage-Schemie sehr gut funktioniert, weil man wirklich...
02:33:02 Ich kann es nicht sehen, dass die Hohlande. Es erklärt wirklich, warum die US-Washington-Attago-Lookouts wurde als ein Sinking Cruiser verabschiedet. Ja, so, Laffey hat vier Bombe-Hits und sechs Kamikaze-Impacts, während ihr Krieg. Sie hat sie verabschiedet. Sie hat sie verabschiedet. Sie hat sie verabschiedet, sie hat sie verabschiedet. Und sie war die letzte ihrer Klasse, um aus der US-Navie-Service zu decommissionen. Und Sie können sie heute in den USA visiten.
02:33:31 Sie ist eine Museums-Ship, ich weiß nicht genau, wo. Sie ist ein Patriots Point, Charleston, South Carolina, mit dem Essex-Class USS Yorktown. Oh! Und in-game, sie wird sozusagen eine Gunfighter sein. Ich meine, sie hat sechs Guns, und die US-5-Internen haben die besten Ballastik, sie... ja, sie sollten sie machen ein paar Impressionen, insbesondere weil sie...
02:34:00 She will have a burst fire mechanic, similar to the Spanish. So basically you trigger it, you get three very quick salvos and then extended reload. So basically kind of a gun ambush oriented thingy. On the other hand, the torpedoes will be shorter range than gearing, so yeah, gun focus. She will have
02:34:30 Pretty good concealment. She will have improved defensive AA fire and improved specialized repair team. Yeah, that sounds about right. I mean, that sounds right. Yeah, like if you like the tier 8 kid, you will like laughing. Yeah. And additionally, she will have one gimmick from the new US Destroyer line. That is the...
02:34:58 Timed smoke generator consumables, so basically not the usual bursts, but basically on-demand smoke, but with some limitations. Her burst will be similar to Spanish cruisers. Someone was asking that. Dufort, yes. Similar to the cruisers. You get three volleys rapid fire.
02:35:23 25 second reload. Her concealment base is 7.2. Range of her guns? Without any modifiers. Range of guns 12.4 and range of torpedoes 8 kilometers. So she can just stealth torpedo launch and if you play your cards right, you might just be able to get overblacking someone's gun. She'll be a solid all-rounder gunfighting US destroyer. Yep.
02:35:52 Brucktini, ist OBS-Fighting-Back-Again?
02:36:00 Es ist nur unser OBS, weil du die Preview sehen kannst, aber ich bin in Studio Mode, also ich vorbereiten etwas im Hintergrund, die Leute noch sehen, die Lafayette auf dem Bildschirm sehen. Das Bildschirm ist für dich, weil das Bildschirm im Bildschirm ist, OBS wird gewinnen. Ja. Oh, by the way, Fruchtini, eine technische Frage. Wie viele Codes hast du bereits shared?
02:36:26 I am currently at the third code. The third code still is valid for I have way too many computer mouses here, which make me a bit responsive. Right now, we haven't shared how these ships will be distributed. That will come closer to when they're actually set to be released. So theorize away about what you think all they'll be for. But yes, so to recap in terms of new ships announced today.
02:36:53 Tier X US Destroyer Laffey, Tier IX British Destroyer Barfleur, Tier VII Battleships Royal Sovereign and Arkhangelsk, French Hybrid Amaral Laftik, if I say it wrong I'll Summon Something, and Tier X Soviet Battleship Sibir.
02:37:13 Right. Das ist ein sehr guter Mix. Ich habe in der Chat kurz gesagt, dass sie mich, Drac und Dr. Clark und Dr. Clark, zu fighten in World of Warships und die Winner takes on Killermin und Ducky. Ich habe das Gefühl, dass Dr. Clark und Drac haben... Much?
02:37:35 Ich habe viel mehr Zeit für World of Warships in der und für uns zu haben.
02:38:04 das Showdown. So, das wird in diesem November. Ja, das wird fünf Charity in einem für mich. Aber mehr Broadly, für World of Warships, wenn sie organisiert eine Naval Historian mini-tournament haben, weil wir die 1V1-Spezial-Events haben bereits. Sie sind immer schon viel Spaß. Du kannst, wie ein 16? Ja, 16. Wenn du 16 hast, dann kannst du...
02:38:31 Quarters, Semis, und Finals. Ich werde mein Chronometer clean. Ich kann nur sehen. Ich muss eine Konfession machen. Die letzte Mal die Team checkt die Battle Counts. Ich habe die meisten Battles in-game von allen in der Team. Ja. Bei einer Alarmung. Aber, Leute, da gibt es einen Weg, wie man diese Port-Size-Restrickt hat. Man kann immer wie ein Gentleman kämpfen.
02:38:58 Mikasa Secondary is at 50 paces. The devlog should go live in about 20 minutes. 20 minutes, yes. So you'll be able to read all of this in about 20 minutes. So there'll be the new ships we've announced plus the visuals for some ships that were previously announced.
02:39:21 When you die, you lose a ship. I mean, we can come up with some interesting rules. Oh, dear. I mean, the thing is, poor old Fleet's going to be sat there because with me being who I am, I kind of have to go French. And I'll be sat there in the poor old Britannia going, you know, this is fine. Whereas, well, Dr. Clock sat there in a Congo and Drac sat there in God knows what blasting away at me. Why do you think I'm going to call this Britannia?
02:39:49 Okay, fine, I'll bring St. Vincent. I'll bring an I-3 class Battlecruiser. If we could... We should get an HMS Victory camo, but I'm not sure we've got anything with a high enough freeboard. No, there is a carrier. I mean, we do have a Line of... Age of Sail, Ship of the Line camo for St. Vincent.
02:40:15 Ja. Und wir haben John Jervis als Commander. Ja, aber es ist ein Single-Gun-Deck, weil es natürlich Pre-Board ist. Und in den letzten Event, Narvik zu Dunkirk, kann man Krutchley bekommen. Me? Ja. Ich meine, das Curse für mich wäre zu versuchen, den nächsten Teil zu einem Fremden, die ich meine Hände an, das ist die Fremde Tier-3-Battleship. Aber...
02:40:41 That would be me being a little too close to form. But I will say, talking about Laffey, because I remember when we announced USS Johnston chat, I'm looking at you specifically, chat, and a bunch of you complained that Johnston was too firepower focused and she should have been survivability focused, despite the fact that Johnston sank. And obviously, at the time, we knew what was coming in the future. And I'm like...
02:41:07 If we were going to do a tanky US high tier destroyer, surely we'd do Laffy. Because she's still around. But I had to bite my tongue at the time. But here we are. She's coming to the game. The ship that would not die. Of course, the other thing you could do for a fun tournament would be what I used to do. The Mikasa Royal Rumble. Oh. Everybody just take secondary build Mikasas. Or torpedo toasting. That's also fun.
02:41:36 Es ist, aber es endet ein bisschen abrupt. Aber zu sein, Torpeeter-Josting war es eher fun, bevor wir die Friendly-Fyre entfernt haben, weil es ein ein-versus-all ist. Noob-School hat eine Heel. Laffy hat eine Heel. Ja. Ruin-On, du bist in Chat und du bist ein guter Freund und ich verstehe das. Aber look, bei allem...
02:42:01 They can't add Hosh to the game. She'd be the weakest ship in the game. She'd lose fights to the tier 1 reserves. No, me and Drac, I want this. We want there to be an ironclad special for World of Warships. And you will get Hosh. And we will get decent ships. Let me guess, you want admirals, don't you?
02:42:22 So, yes. Drack, what are we accepting? Admirals? Are we going any higher? What do we feel like we deserve? Admirals are perfectly fine. I'm sure I could beat up a Hosh in an Admiral. Can we bring Royal Sovereign back up on screen? Of course we can. Unusual punishment. I'll take Sans Parai. Okay, you can have Sans Parai. My great-great-uncle was captain of her at one point. Look at her, she's magnificent.
02:42:50 She'll be incredibly slow.
02:42:54 Ja, sie wird immer schneller als die US-Standards. Ja. Nicht, dass das eine Achievement ist, aber... Oh, dear. Look at sie, sie ist wunderbar. Die Amerikaner designed ihre Battle-Line über die Idee eines Unstoppables-Sledgehammer, das würde schnell da sein, aber würde da sein. Ja, ich glaube... Und das ist auch die Standard. Ich glaube, das ist eine der Initial-Studien für die...
02:43:21 Modern South Dakota class was also basically 21, not modern standard. That would have been such an abomination.
02:43:34 Do you mean South Dakota 1921? No, one of the studies for the real South Dakotas was also 421, not Battleship, but that didn't really take off, that was basically like... Okay, we get your proposal now, please go away. If Chad gets uppity, we can always threaten them with North Cal Scheme F.
02:44:00 Ich habe noch eine neue Fokus in meinem Tech-Tree, ich möchte, ich möchte, ich möchte, die Projekt 21-Soviet-Battleship, weil ich die Idee habe, dass jeder Version von Nelrod.
02:44:28 Chat will tell you that there's a reason that we don't sell Lenin anymore. Look, I know it's impossibly overpowered. You've told me this. But I think I deserve it. He's talking about the Tech Tree one, I think. We don't have a Tech Tree, Nelson. Project 21. Really? Our Tier 7 Soviet battleship is based on one of the 1917 Black Sea projects. I forget which one.
02:44:56 And by the way, Chet reports that the first coach is dead already, it's possible. Look, Revenge UK is telling me the Lenin is perfectly fine and balanced. Yes. I was looking in chat and apparently one of the ideas that Seize is putting around now is apparently a special Admiral-class Battlecruiser after each of the Armature Admiral's guests. I mean, that might be fine for the two Britbongs over there, but I want a French Battlecruiser. Can I not? No, that is intended.
02:45:25 The way the event works, yes, if you roll the ship, you get that compensation. That is not a bug. Oh dear. And again, chat for anyone who is having issues with the codes. Any of the codes given out this stream, if you use one, you can't use any of the others. Yes. And by the same token, if you missed the first three, there still might be more coming and they give exactly the same all the time.
02:45:54 Don't worry, if you missed your chance so far, just keep your eyes on the chat and you will get your chance again. Yes. I love the way how Fleet's favorite ship has become a put-down for him, because everyone just goes, Fleet, you like Hosh every time. I'm not ashamed. I'm not ashamed. She's a perfectly acceptable combatter for 1890. When we get asked to suggest names for Super Clever, we should request it be called Hosh. Oh.
02:46:24 Aber das würde ich nicht sagen. Warum würde ich es Usch? Usch? Usch? Uschi? Ich weiß es nicht. Oh lord. Was habe ich getan? Was habe ich getan? Als die Blackburn nicht starten, wir sind okay. Oh, das ist auch ein Port. An wichtig zu sagen, auf Amaral, sie will eigentlich haben brand new aircraft models. Hey! Her aircraft will be...
02:46:50 I was told the designation and now I can't remember it. It's one of those insane post-war French, we need to rebuild the Air Force so we'll develop everything. Oh, it's not the funny, I am the smallest aircraft in the world in terms of length machine, is it? I think it's the VB-10. Oh. Which is a Griffin-powered monstrosity.
02:47:14 Also, die French aircraft design had a lot of monstrosities. I mean, it's kind of understandable when, you know, you spend four years not doing anything. They had monstrosities before World War II as well. They had monstrosities even after they get back on the feet. They just like weird planes and I respect them for that. They are not afraid to experiment with the weird positions of everything.
02:47:43 7,300 people. Good lord. Are we ready for the thing?
02:47:52 The other thing, okay? Yes, so that... This is the entire reason I've kept a section clear on my screen this entire time. Oh yes, this. I've been looking forward to this. Chet, Chet, Chet. You're not muted. I should unmute myself so everyone can actually hear me. Chet, so what we will do is we will quickly go into...
Kurze Pause und Quiz-Vorbereitung
02:48:15
02:48:15 two to five minute break, because there might be some bathroom breakings needed. I need to distribute a few things to our dear historians as well. And then we can then we will head over to our quiz and have our historians battle with each other. And I am fighting also the headset that is on my head because that is giving me weird feedback, which is starting to annoy me greatly. I'm going to take off my jacket so my reflex are
02:48:44 Es ist auf, Alex!
02:56:54 And we are back now with Fruchtini also visible, which is getting interesting. I think the code, code number four, let me quickly check, is over as well now. Yes, also fully redeemed. Ravenous.
02:57:10 Wow. Hungry, hungry hippos. Yes. The chat is like a tyrannid swarm. Basically. For the code. When it comes to code, they are like that. When it comes to code, it normally goes quite quickly. So, as we head into our quiz, let me share the next code with you and then actually switch to the quiz scene and hope that everything works and nothing broke. Hello, hello. Chat, can you still hear us? Please confirm this or not.
02:57:39 Oh, I like that. That's pretty cool. That's work. That's pretty cool. Well done, Frittini. The thanks goes to the creators of it. We just bought the solution, basically. And yeah, I have to tinker with the images, though, still, because they are quite small. And yeah, anyways, welcome to our quizzy. And I need to switch the headphones because otherwise I'm going crazy. Quiz. Hey, quiz.
02:58:09 Okay, das funktioniert. Oh Gott, how am I going to do this? Does that mean you can also no longer hear Killer Bin when he's singling to you? Luckily, there is a direct line of sight. I will just start waving my hands. I am just looking at Killer Bin, and he's doing his best impression of an aristocratic British villain, sat in his chair with his hands like this, going, I am ready for the cleats. No one will defeat me.
02:58:38 I have been expecting you, Mr. Bond. I knew there was a quiz. I do not know what is in the quiz. I was not consulted on the questions. We didn't know there was a quiz. No, we didn't. What? Of course you knew. I have not revised. I have not revised. Where's my history tank? Yes, we didn't share any of the questions. But...
Giveaways und Quiz-Start
02:59:04
02:59:04 Chat, which to my main, I guess, disadvantage. We also have a few more goodies to give away, and this is now the part where you actually can win some other things, so I guess I will quickly... Oh no, I don't think we're... There's a Texas, isn't there? There is a Texas, yes. There is also an Octobroskaya Revolutia with their 75th anniversary camouflage.
02:59:33 Holy hell, why is the bloody headset not...
02:59:38 Okay, I'm getting some weird feedback on the headset here. Chad, give me a second. I need to quickly switch this, because otherwise I'm going crazy. Okay. So while Fruittini's doing that, which book should we be revising from? I don't know. Generic Naval History 101? No, my card is useless. I know I have a book on the Bad Atlantic here somewhere.
03:00:05 A Czech and an Austrian have created the question, so it's all going to be about Škoda. Yes. What guns were on the Tegetov? Never mind they're not World War II warships, what guns were on the Tegetov? I mean, Tucky, you can't argue that every slightly technical museum in this country has at least one model of a Tegetov.
03:00:35 Ah. I will admit, as a plan... If anyone is looking for a good book on the Arctic Convoys and the whole strategy and logistics behind it, Andy Boyd's new book, Arms for Russia, really good one. But yeah, as a... No, I'm not a plan. I'm not a People's Liberation Army Navy. As a fan of...
03:01:02 Austrian warships in general. I am also a bit of a Škoda fanatic. And it may surprise you to learn that my favourite pre-Dreadnought is not French. It's Austrian. I actually did a war factories TV show which was all about the Škoda factory. I had to record a whole load of things and spent a day in a very warm, this was during Covid actually.
03:01:27 und so they have a very warm london studio um recording with uh you know there was a camera team of two literally the producer and the um and the cam person and it was a very very warm room and i was trying to be incredibly polite
03:01:50 Because everyone was sweating like everything. Typical British, when we're all sweating, but they don't want to have the windows open because it's very noisy outside. You're sitting there going, oh, I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine. As you slowly start to pass out. In the UK, our infrastructure, everything is designed for the cold. Yes, we're not quite caught up with the fact the country's slowly becoming Spain, as in terms of climate.
Quiz-Fortsetzung und Verlosungen
03:02:20
03:02:20 We're not quite caught up with that as a concept. Are we ready? Yes, we are indeed ready. I am still... So DocSplot gets first dibs then. Yes, indeed. So give me one second before we start with the quiz quiz. Regarding the giveaway or basically for chat, you can start and do participate here as well. You can just post your answers that you think to the question in...
03:02:47 chat as well and from these uh entries we then at certain intervals um so meaning the more our historians answer correctly oh well actually let's make a difference so you can
03:03:00 Put your answers there anyway, so you can, of course, guess there as well. At a certain point intervals, we will then throw out, I think, one of our eight different other rewards to you. And among them are a bundle with USS Texas and her 75th Victory Day Camouflage, the Oktober Sky Revolution with her 75th Victory Day Camouflage. And then for the...
03:03:29 Alabama, the Egle, the... I think New Orleans. Yeah, I believe it is. And two other ships. There is the camouflage in itself. Duke of York. I think Duke of York is one of them. Yes, so they are the white, blue and red anniversary camos. And can we confirm the compensation? Dubloons. So if you have the camo already, you get compensated in Dubloons. Yes. Very nice.
03:04:00 And if you have the ship, for example, you get the doubloons for the ship and the camouflage on top. The Duke of Texas. Yes. The Duke of Texas. I mean, had 1776 gone the other way, there might legitimately have been a Duke of Texas. Possibly. Soon.
03:04:23 Okay. Okay. Okay, so. Give me a moment. I need to find the correct mouse. And ready. Yes, I have three keyboards and three mice in front of me. Oh my God. And five monitors, so yeah. Madness. Madness indeed. This man and his... That sounds like a recipe for stress. Yeah. Slightly.
03:04:50 I don't think we've ever revealed a photo of the streaming setup in this office. Not the new one, I think. I mean, on Discord I posted some sneak peeks, I think, on when I did reassemble it. Yes. So basically tear the whole room down and rebuild it to what I liked. They basically gave me full control of it, which was fun. Anyways, first question, Dr. Clark. Oh, let's go for the Atlantic 500 points just to see.
03:05:19 okay and the first question is escort surface vessels of which navy managed to sink two submarines within 24 hours
03:05:31 Which Navy? Escort Service Vessel of which Navy managed to sink two submarines in 24 hours? That's probably the Royal Navy I'm going to go for. The other option was the Royal Canadian Navy, but I have a feeling it was a Black Swan class loop from memory, but I could be completely wrong. Don't forget to press the buzzer when you want to log in your answer.
03:05:56 Und, indeed, wrong answer! Okay. Well, now the other three have the chance to press their buzzes. Oh, it gives you minus points if you get it wrong? Okay, that's something to bear in mind. Bin was frantically waving around. United States Navy. No, wrong!
03:06:16 Es wird, wie die Chileans oder so, nicht wahr? Ich gehe mit der Canadian Navy.
03:06:28 No, also wrong. Well, I lose nothing by giving an answer. So I'm going to go for the Italian Navy. Also wrong. The correct answer is the free French. Oh, one of their two Corvettes. Yes, it was pulling its way. No.
03:06:56 Nein! Oh mein Gott, ich kann es nicht glauben! Ich dachte, du hattest den Frenz. Okay, das war die Frage. Jetzt wissen wir die 500-Level. Die Fragen sind überall auf dem Platz. Marc war ein bisschen mehr gemein, ich war ein bisschen mehr...
03:07:16 in general, I would say. Dwarfhammer asks, FFS, really? Yes, I believe that was the prefix for free friendships. Yeah. Although it would be FFS, real more.
03:07:31 Okay. Can I get Media for 300, please? Media for 300. Yes, of course you can. And the question is... Taki, do you want to take this away? Yes, so Media for 300. Which submarine is featured in the movie that's bought? 1981. That's the famous one. That's the classic one, right? I know, I know it is.
03:08:00 Ist es U87? Buzzer. Press the buzzer. I did. Ist es U87? Oh, ich sehe nicht das Buzzer. Interessant.
03:08:13 But no, this is the wrong answer. Oh, no. Chime in. It's U96. Yes, it is. I also like how chat had to convince itself because someone put U96, then someone put a different sub.
03:08:32 Und dann ein paar Leute kopiert die incorrecte Antwort. Wie schnell können die Leute googeln? Ich habe jemanden mit der U69. Ich habe einen Moment. Warum habe ich nicht Minus 300?
03:08:47 That is true, I guess, because for whatever weird reason, let's just not go with the minus points, because otherwise the players will just not get anything, so let me reverse that here as well. Yeah, let's not do that. Frantini, I just did a bit of checking, and I think you might want to check HMS Starling's history. Oh. Oh, not this.
03:09:10 Ich habe mir gedacht, dass es ein 2nd Escort Group ist, aber ich war über meine Johnny Walker-Episodes und dachte, ich weiß, 2nd Escort Group sank multiple subs in 24 hr. Ich weiß nicht, ob es ein bestimmtes Schiff hat multiple Kills oder ob es ein bestimmtes Schiff in der Gruppe war. Starling 2 auf den 9. Februar 1944.
03:09:36 I thought I'd go for a middle-of-the-road media, and it's the one U-Boat film that I haven't seen. No! You definitely have to catch up on this. But I'm waiting for confirmation from Lord Taki, that by the way came up with the question. Yeah, it seems that Starling actually managed to do this as well. So that would be Royal Navy as well. That was who?
03:10:05 Dr. Klaas, Dr. Klaas. Are we giving full points for that then? I guess. He is technically correct. Kind of correct. The thing is, I was going, I sort of remember the Free French, but wasn't sure that was 24 hours, which I went with the British one, because I knew they were on the same day.
03:10:26 Ich habe gerade geschrieben ein Buch über den Flyer-Class Corvettes, die noch nicht eröffnet wurde. Jetzt bin ich wirklich gegen ihn. Also, Killebin und Killebin sind wirklich gegen ihn. So, in diesem Fall, mein lieber Drach, es ist deine Zeit. Pick eine Categorie und eine Frage. Ich gehe mit Technologie für 400.
03:10:46 And we are, what technological advantage helped the Allies locate German U-boats more effectively by detecting their radio transmissions? If you don't get this, I will cry at you. I've hit my buzzer, has it come through? Wait, hit it again.
03:11:04 Ich kann es nicht. Es ist schon dark. Dann hast du es wahrscheinlich. Okay, dann hast du es wahrscheinlich. Okay, dann hast du es wahrscheinlich. Okay, dann hast du es einfach. Huffduf oder HFDF oder High Frequency Direction Finding. Und das ist korrekt. Absolut, indeed. Das ist korrekt. Tracks running away with it. Okay. Thank you for the points, Erfleet. No, no, das war nicht für mich. I'm going to ask for Arctic 500.
03:11:32 arctic 500 indeed okay risk how important in percentage was the arctic convoy route for supplies to the ussr that's a nasty one that is a that's a
03:11:52 Oh, poor Kalypid, he's gone. Look, it doesn't have to be decimal points of percent. No, it's just a rough number. It's all I want. 45%. Wrong. Lisa. You pressed the buzzer. I'm going to go for a quarter. 25%. Your answer, Dr. Clark?
03:12:21 It would have been roughly the same, about 20%. I was going to go for 45%. Okay, so in this case, our dear Drach takes it away. Once again, because it is around 23%. Oh, Drach, he can't keep getting away with this. It was one of those things where I'm looking at it going like, we focus so much on them because...
03:12:49 The Middle East Corridor, it was just, in Iran, Caucasus is done. There was nothing fancy about it. And obviously they go across the... What was the most then? That accounts for about 75% of the supplies go through that war. You've got the Black Sea Route towards the end of the war. You've got the Oberland Iranian Route. And you've also got the Soviet Route through the Pacific. And the Pacific Route actually was the...
03:13:18 Für Militär-Equipment war es Iran und Murmansk, aber für Bulk-Kargo die Sovjetischen Schiffe sind glücklich. Ja. Die Japaner sind so, dass wir helfen wollen, aber wir können die Sovjetischen. Das wäre eine schlechte Idee. Weil man könnte den Routen 24-7-365 fahren, als ob die Arctic-Konvoi-Routen, die geschlossen wurden.
03:13:48 As we had our first round, I would say it's time to give out the Oktobrskaya Levertia with its camouflage to someone luckily in the chat. Let's see, drum roll.
03:14:02 And the winner is Deer in the Headlights. Congratulations. Please write something. Well, I guess you could say he was in the headlights for this little spin. Yay. Deer in the Headlights, please say something so we know you're not dead. Yep. Otherwise, it will be redrawn. Redistributed.
03:14:29 30 more seconds. Reward will be withdrawn until we find someone breathing. And not in the headlights. Yes, because it turns out he's so much in the headlights. Yes, but are they actually paying attention? Yes, we're speaking their name. Come on. Come on.
03:14:50 Oh, no, he's not. No, no. Oh, no. Oh, careful, careful. That's Isaac and Destroyer. Drumrolls. Deer in the headlights. Are you here? I need you to write something in chat. Final boarding. Final boarding. Yes. Oh, no. Oh, I bet they've gone to the loo or something. Oh, no. Oh, no. Time to re-roll. And the actual winner is Lager765. Are you here?
03:15:17 Well, I guess you could say he'll have to pull himself a pint after winning this. Final morning, final morning. Lager, come on Lager. Please be here, we can't have two in a row. Come on, come on. Oh, there it is, there it is. So for the winners, please whisper at World of Warships, our Twitch account here. Type something in chat so they can see the name, it's easier. You make me...
03:15:45 I make you do stuff, yes. Yay! That was fun. So the winner has won Tier V Premium Soviet Battleship October Revolution and her associated victory camo. If you already have the ship and the camo, it will provide doubloon compensation. Exactly. Both for the ship or the camouflage.
03:16:14 All right, so I think we go around again. Give me a second. Don't say stuff like that. You'll send me off into it. Good night, Vienna. Fleet is gone. Do not pass go. Do not collect 200 Yorkshire coal mines or something. Okay, so then let's move on. Mr. Dr. Clark, please, the next question. Media for 500. Let's give it a go.
03:16:43 Medium of 500. We're taking a risk. What difference was there between HMS Saltash as portrayed in The Cruel Sea, the book, and the moving picture? Oh, come on. If anyone's going to know this, it's going to be Clark. It is. Come on. That's a gimme for Clark. Oh, maybe not. Oh, good Lord. I'm trying to remember them all. This is the trouble. Which one would you focus on? That's the problem. Yeah.
03:17:12 Das ist illegal! Shooter! Oder something!
03:17:37 Ich denke, sie waren mit dem falschen Corvette, aber sie waren mit dem falschen Fall-Class, sie waren mit dem Modified, aber sie waren mit dem falschen Fall-Class, aber sie waren mit dem falschen Fall-Class, aber sie waren mit dem falschen Fall-Class, aber sie waren mit dem falschen Fall-Class. Ich weiß.
03:17:57 Okay, ich denke, wir können es sein, denn es ist eine Frigate im Film, eine Corvette. Und im Film ist es nicht eine Flower-Klasse Corvette, sondern eine Castle-Klasse Corvette. Oh, danke Gott. Sie benutzen die Castle-Klasse, ja. Okay, jetzt muss ich nur Drak und Dr.Clarke catchen.
03:18:25 Bearing in mind what happened last time. Give me media for 100, please. Media for 100. I'm playing it safe, okay? If you get this wrong, we will now have a new thing. Okay, I know this one. I do know this one. So do I. Yeah, so do I. Come on, please. Okay, I know it's the Des Moines. I know it is a Des Moines. Oh, no. Which one is it?
03:18:53 Oh, come on!
03:19:23 Is it St. Louis? Wrong. It's USF Salem. No, I knew to get with that! I don't know if Bin or Drach was faster. I think he was quicker on the punch than me. Okay.
03:19:38 Oh, ich glaube, wir geben es zu Bindo, weil Dracke ist einfach zu weit entfernt. Oh, no! Die extra Hilarity ist, dass ich eigentlich, heute, ich war in Correspondenz mit der Chieftain über dieses exact ship. Oh, no, Fleets. Das ist es. Ist das going to mean, ist Media 200 going to be...
03:20:02 which ship plays every ship in hunt abysma we now have a new thing every time we want to wind up fleet we can now talk about witch trials we can talk about so many different things dr clark is normally bad enough but you do realize when drac comes into ramblings that would announce he's gonna say he's coming on his broom you were the one that picked the media questions
03:20:31 all right i'm i'm gonna choose mediterranean for 400. mediterranean 400 we have lieutenant luigi durant de la penne received the highest italian military award medallia alvaldo militare for sinking hms valiant in alexandria from someone quite unusual who and why
03:21:00 Ja, das ist einfach für dich. Ich habe schon viel Forschung über die Mediterated Theater geöffnet. Er hat seinen Award geteilt durch den Kapitän des Schiff, den er sankt. Ja, das stimmt. Admiral Sir Charles Morgan, bei der Zeit, und der Head der Lichtnaval-Missionen in Italien, hat ihn gefragt, weil bei der Zeit,
03:21:28 Italien war bereits eine Alliade Nation. Das ist ein wunderschönes Bewegung. Ja. Und der Schöpfer wurde natürlich nachher getötet, also er hat den Rest der Krieg in einem Alliade Prisoner of War Camp. Nicht ganz. Er hat ein paar Zeit in einem Alliade Prisoner of War Camp, und dann ging er seinen alten Job auf der Alliade Seite. Ja, das ist das. Italien war ein Belligerant.
03:21:55 Okay, I'm gonna... Can some please take out the media questions so Fleet can't cause himself water? Okay, okay. I will ask then Media 400. Media 400. Please let it be something niche I can nick. Please. Which engagement served as inspiration to the film The Enemy Below, featuring a prolonged battle between Tangled, Destroyer and Submarine? I don't have a clue.
03:22:22 Well, you've got 40 seconds to think of a clue. Come on. Don't worry. We know Fleet doesn't have a clue either, so you're okay. That's what you think. He's frantically Googling it probably right now. I'm not cheating. I will not cheat. I know you well enough to know your facial expressions, and when you're doing that, that means you are really going, oh no. No.
03:23:05 I'm gonna guess it's a US ship, but I can give you no more than that. Well, I need two ships in this case. It's gonna be a US destroyer and a German U-boat.
03:23:19 Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja.
03:23:45 Oh, for the love of Michael. I'm pretty sure this is the one where they were lobbing cans and potatoes at each other, or the US ship was throwing the potatoes at the German ship. Can I get a quarter of the points by guessing what type of sub it was? No. If it's the potato incident, that would make it...
03:24:11 Oh, I shouldn't have looked at Chat. Bori and the 405? The Bori and the 405. Yes, indeed. Chat couldn't decide on an answer. A lot of options from Chat. I mean, that is one way that basically... The only reason I know that, and I will put my hat up, is because I have done an informal... I've planned out an informal book of the times in World War II where destroyers and escorts chuck food at their opponents.
03:24:37 Because someone asked me a question once about the tribal class which decided to fire baked bean cans at an Italian battleship because they ran out of shells. And exactly how often that was. And it actually became a disturbing theme that apparently more ships more often than not when they ran out of shells turned to...
03:24:59 Various forms of food to fire at their opponents. The interesting thing is, why is it that the US destroyers that are tangling at very close range with U-boats almost always seem to have a name beginning with B? I don't know. Because they're brave. Or bonkers, depending on your perspective.
03:25:21 In extreme cases, one Japanese submarine was known to try to throw a navigator. He wanted to jump the impact through him. We've already been over the Canadians boarding submarines naked. We don't need to get into this again. It just goes down. You know, this is not going well, I will admit.
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03:25:50 This is not going well. In the meantime, Chaps... You are better than this. I'm trying. Yes. So in the meantime, let's give away the Texas Weffer Camouflage for anyone in chat actively. Spin the wheel. Spin the wheel, basically, while I note down the information for our last winner, so I do not forget to send it to him very soon.
03:26:16 Please hope that you're here. And drumroll, who's going to be the lucky winner? The winner is Ruruni. I hope you're here. That's a name. Oh, here he is. Excellent. We didn't have to do a re-roll this time. Please whisper us.
03:26:38 in this case world of warships um here and tell me your uh account name and your uh region you play on so we can send you um of course for those like dragon you're my friend and you know i get that and you're part of the moderation staff on the dry dock as well moderation community staff on the dry dock as well but i know this is the poor showing but um look i'm a generalist i've always said i'm a generalist i'm um
03:27:07 I'm not a specialist. This is not going as well as I would like. Should we actually sub in Dragon to replace you? Would they be doing better? Hey, just a minute. You watch. You want a fleek comeback this round. Fleek comeback this round. It's your round. Pick away. Absolutely correct, yes. I'll take Mediterranean for 500. Okay.
03:27:29 The question is, what was the name of the Italian naval unit known for using human torpedoes to carry out sabotage missions against Allied ships in Mediterranean harbors? I think I know this. You kind of want this in the Italian, aren't you? You kind of want this in the Italian. I knew this as well, because the predecessors of them sank the Viribus Unitis, or by then known as the Yugoslavia. Do you accept the English translation of their name?
03:27:56 I can give you both English and Italian. I know you can, that's the problem. I'm trying to remember the Italian. Look, I will give you half points for the English name and the other half points for the Italian name. I have to wait for Dr. Clark to decide what's going on. Let me start the timer, so 45 seconds. I was happy I was getting extra time trying to figure out the Italian.
03:28:26 This is a lot more fun than I expected. Chat seems to have actually decided on an answer, so good for them. They're not supposed to be looking at chat, please.
03:28:38 Okay, they are the 10th flotilla, I think. I'm going to go for decima flotilla mass, but that's me trying to do the Italian. You are completely right. It's the decima flotilla mass, or the 10th mass flotilla. So basically a bunch of speedboats. Thank you, Latin teacher!
03:29:00 I did it from the last thing in my head. It's not a dead language. I was three flotillas short shit. I thought they were the seventh. So. No, because in my sense, in my training, if in doubt, go for temp. Because it's the temp destroyer flotilla, which get up to all sorts of naughty things. It's the temp torpedo flotilla. It's always seems to be the temp. And it's the temp submarine flotilla.
03:29:28 Okay, okay.
03:29:53 so you can do this i can do this will not be repeated you can survive i can draw even with kill a bit i can do this i know i can do this shall we yeah go for it media 200 i can do this i think 14 he's doing some admin media 200 please give me a moment um
03:30:17 Yeah, I need more moderators or more hands and heads for this for the next time. Fleek can do this, I swear. So give me a second. Just let me note down our winner here from the last one so I don't miss this. Okay. Please, please, please, please, please, please, please let it be something that I know. So we said Media 200. So you're going to try this round. Yes. Okay. And the question is the movie, the imitation.
03:30:46 David Cumberbatch.
03:31:12 Ich bin nicht sicher, dass das wirklich was Redeemed. Ich würde sagen, David Tennant.
03:31:34 Drach, your question up next. I'll go with Arctic 400, since the 400s have been treating me well. Arctic 400. And we have, how many tons of supplies were sent to the Soviet Union by the Arctic route? I want the rough number as well. Doesn't need to be the exact number. A lot.
03:31:56 The weird thing is, if you'd asked me exactly how many tons of supplies have been sunk on PQ17, I could have actually told you that in extreme detail. Oh no. I've just remembered.
03:32:15 Let me see if I can remember. The total sent to the Soviet Union was around 13 million. And we answered previously that it's actually 23%. So that would make it about 4 million.
03:32:37 Technically, it was 3.904 million tons, if I have the number completely correct in my head, but yes. That's impressive enough just for the backwards maths. It's like those GCSE maths exams where page 4 has the answer to page 2.
03:32:57 Es ist die Frage, ob du smart genug bist? Du wirst die 13 Millionen Tonnen wissen, dass ich in meinem GCSE-History exam habe, um, ich habe gesagt, wie 13 war unglücklich für einige. In meinem A-Level Geografie examen, eine Frage war, dass ich 20 US-States genutzt habe. Ich liste alle US-Battleship die ich gedacht habe.
03:33:21 Okay, I'm gonna do Technology 500. Ooh, he's going for the big one. I mean, I think it's probably way too easy for being a 500, but let's show it off. When was the Enigma invented? Not as easy as you'd think. Not as easy as you'd think. Because different sources actually differ on when exactly. 1923 in Sweden.
03:33:51 No. Was I close? In 1923, the patent was finalized under Enigma. Oh, come on! Does that mean I can cut in? Yes, you can. Like Bismarck's armor scheme, it's from the end of World War I.
03:34:13 Absolutely correct. Invented by a German at the end of it. Killebin, what have you done? We can't keep getting away with that. This is another associative one because years ago when I was looking up for things in World War II that were as old as Bismarck's armor scheme.
03:34:37 I came across the fact Enigma had actually been invented at the end of World War I. And I was like, aha, two equally useless German things that were invented at the end of World War I. And were put into World War II. Why did I know that? Pratt is now officially running away with it.
03:34:53 This is why I left the 500 point questions to everybody else. It was a game strategy. Because then either it gets the hard questions someone else can answer. Especially at the beginning when I thought you'd get negative points. But then if they don't answer it, I could jump in and steal them. Oh no. Kill a bit. Why? No. Enigma is German. It was patented in Sweden. Used by Banks. The first guy to break its military...
03:35:21 It version was Polish. Oh no. Globalisation, yeah. I think though I need to do some adjustments for the next time in case we run such a quiz again, because yeah. I'm just confused. This is not going as well as it could have been for Old Fleet.
03:35:40 It is absolutely fine. I'm like Kosh in a storm. I'm wallowing about. We're doing another one in the chat for someone winning. Yes, exactly. So we will give away next the Egle camouflage and the Minsk camouflage. So separate. So we will pick two winners. So we'll roll two times. And the first one is Isaac underscore Destroyer. Oh, we had this comment about the road. Are you still here, Isaac? Hopefully.
03:36:09 Once again, please whisper. The Poles handing their work over to Britain obviously doesn't get talked about very much when it comes to the story. I actually mentioned that quite a bit when I did a video on Enigma. But yeah, it was actually in some ways it was
03:36:37 Almost more impressive, because Bletchley Park, I mean, obviously Bletchley Park did crack Enigma codes and having early computers towards the end definitely helped. But I think when it comes to Bletchley Park, the more impressive thing is the building of the computer. Whereas the poor old Polish guy who cracked Enigma the first time had to do it just basically manually.
03:36:59 Er hat gesagt, ich will die Mathematik zu tun. Er hat den Logarum gemacht. Und die Computer ist das der Logarum. Und die Computer ist das der Logarum. Die Sache ist, dass es die Leute wissen, wie lange es gibt, wie viele Computer Coders sind. Weil der erste Coder war eigentlich...
03:37:20 Oh, good lord. It was for the... Colossus, the most reliable thing BT ever made. No. Probably still got more power than the current switchboards. What's his name? The B guy who produced the engine. One of his friends, she wrote the first code for it, and so she's the first coder.
03:37:48 Ja. Und die Grund, warum sie es geschrieben hat, war es weil sie die Person, die die Person, die die Person, die die Person, die in die Sprache, die Person, die in die Sprache, in die Sprache, in die Sprache, in die Sprache, in die Sprache, in die Sprache.
03:38:04 The museum piece, you've got the first computer bug, which is literally an insect that stumbled into a bunch of punch cards. Yes, it is. And the Science Museum now has a working replica. See, that's the great thing about the Difference Engine. You can't get that kind of computer bug. It would just mangle and crush it.
03:38:25 Well, I mean, isn't the story that, like, why we call Problems with Computer bugs is because a literal insect broke a US Army computer. And so the card is Problem Caused by Bug. And the second winner is Xiu1. I hope you're here. Hello. Xiu. Oh, it's Xiu1. Yes.
03:38:50 I already see Panama says Benjamin come the patch. Broke the code.
03:39:08 I think there was a question of what time do we finish today? Yes. We are currently at almost 9. So I guess it will take us till around 10 p.m. Central European time. Roughly about that time. Maybe a bit earlier. Hopefully not later. Because then that would mean we're running more than five hours already. I think we need a re-roll. Yes. He has 10 more seconds. But I fear...
03:39:36 There is, um, he also missed it now. Last call, last call. Over, last call, over. Sonic underscore grr or gr. Are you here? Hello, hello.
03:39:51 sonic underscore yeah there he is excellent you won the minsk camouflage um please whisper us um and send us your um in-game nickname and your server you play on so we can or i can send it to you very soon um
03:40:15 Well, in case the show overruns, indeed, Dutch Eagle and Flyer, I will just take Uber or Bolt home. So, yeah, not as bad as it is. Otherwise, I just walk, indeed. I can use the fitness training, I guess, or workout anyways. All right, so I'm going to go...
03:40:43 Atlantic for 300. Atlantic for 300. I thought you'd go for the 400. Battleship Gneisenau was scuttled and scrapped, but substantial parts of her still survive. Which and where? Turrets. And where? In Norway. No, not just Norway. I know, it's Rodney. The ones in Norway are from...
03:41:10 Die 15-Inch-Gun, die aus dem Projekt kam. Die Türrets, wo sind sie? Oh Gott, ich kann nicht erinnern. Es sind die Türrets, aber ich kann nicht erinnern, wo sie sind.
03:41:25 I have that weird feeling the answer to this might be already wrong again. While looking furiously tucky. No? No? Okay. So you're going with Norway for now? I think... I think Atari survives and I think they're in Norway. I'm going to go in Norway because...
03:41:45 Ich habe meine Antworten falsch, weil du gesagt hast, die Turrets, und ich habe die Antworten gegeben. Ja, sie sind in Norwegen. Und das ist, natürlich, ihre Hauptbatterie. Ich habe gesagt, aber dann habe ich mich in Norwegen. Ich habe gesagt, aber dann habe ich mich in Norwegen. Du warst die Harschtatt-Batterie. Ja, das ist die Harschtatt-Batterie. Das ist definitiv nicht ihre Hauptbatterie.
03:42:14 A little bit north, they're kind of northwest of Oslo, kind of about a third of the way up the country. I just noticed Dr. Alexander Clark's name is so large that his points are not displayed properly. I think I will just adjust this. When the little arrows move away from him, it displays properly. It's just when the arrows are there. Yeah, I will just shorten the name, I guess, in the meantime to have them displayed always and all the time.
03:42:43 Okay, so...
03:43:10 I'm probably gonna regret this. There's no media, he's alright. Oh no, he's gonna go for the 400, isn't he? I hate the fact you know me as well as you do. Atlantic 400, please. Give me a second before you do this, and then... Yes, and yes, you can all hold up the banner saying, Fleet's gonna get this one wrong, if you wish. You might be right. Okay. So.
03:43:36 I'll hold the ceremonial mothership for good luck. If I'm backed by the powers of Higara, how can I possibly fail? Which question was it again? 400 Atlantic. 400 Atlantic. Okay. And what was the name of the specially designed artificial harbors used by the Allies to facilitate the landing and supply operations during the T-Day invasion? Mulberry Harbors. Hallelujah.
03:44:03 Oh, I did it. Okay, Fleet's gamble paid off. Victory! Way easier than mine. I ran out of ideas for questions as of short notice, and that means I still had to pluck some. And I was like, what can I put there?
03:44:32 Ah, this. I could have shuffled the questions around, so maybe some of the lower ones are actually more difficult than the other ones, as was seen with the Enigma question. Anyways. Drach. I will go with technology for 300. Sure thing. And the question is, which nation did incorporate submarine snorkels into the new-built operational submarines for the first time? The Dutch. Yes.
03:45:00 Yes, and which class? The question is the nation, so it's the Dutch. Yes, but we're making it harder for you. I got 2,000. Everyone else combined is 2,400. I know it's one of the O-types because they stopped doing the Ks. Yeah. I'm just trying.
03:45:32 Ich weiß nicht, ob sie hatte K21 oder nicht. Sie hatten 019 und dann haben sie K20 gemacht.
03:45:47 Ich werde meine Betten mit 0.21. Das ist korrekt. Und ich sehe 0.19 und 0.20 in der Chatzeuge. Das war die Full Operational Implementation von 0.21. Oh mein Gott, Drac, ich bin so jealous. Das lustig ist, dass ich tatsächlich das gemacht habe. Wenn ich das nicht verletzte, würde ich netherlands 0.21 sagen.
03:46:15 Oh, annoying. I thought you were going to beat me to get the boss in. Anyway. The annoying thing when you get to the higher end of those Dutch subs is that there's a nice even K and O series going up and then they stop doing the Ks. Just out. Yeah. Med for 300, please. Med for 300. Let's see.
03:46:40 was notable about the sinking of greek cruiser ellie by italian submarine it was done before italy declared war
03:46:49 Yes. Two months before. Indeed. Bastards. Yes, indeed. Well, considering the Italian battle line rocked up and shelled Corsica in the 30s over a perceived slight, it's kind of par for the course for the Italians to shoot. I got one right. 500 points for Mr. Killup in total now.
03:47:13 I am no longer in last place. Yippee! You are no longer in last place since the last question you answered. Anyways, let's give another thingies away. We will give away now first the New Orleans 75th anniversary camouflage. So drumroll for the winner. And it's Klimas. Klimas, please write something in chat. There is a house there, you know.
03:47:41 Ich habe gerade etwas gesehen. Wir sind zurück in der Start der Runde. Es gibt vier von uns per Runde. Und es gibt neige Fragen, also wir werden eine Frage geben. Ja, es wird eine Frage geben. Ja, das ist Fruksini's Frage. Fruksini kann wählen, wer die Punkte geht. Da ist er. Excellent.
03:48:07 Whisper, please, to World of Warships, your account, and your nickname, please. I think that's a good idea. Cognitive Dissident says chat will answer it, and then if they get it right, they can decide who the points go to, I reckon. That's a good way to answer it. Democracy round. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. What we do is we still have... No, we have the New Orleans camouflage, which was given away just now, so that means we have the Duke of York, the Implecable, and the Alabama camouflage remaining.
03:48:35 What we will do is with the last question, I will set the answer for the giveaway bot. So chat can give away or type their answer then in chat and that way participate and win the camouflage that way. So let's go that way because that means we still have two rounds to go. So the Duke of York and the placable camouflage will be given away at the end of each round. And then, yeah.
03:49:02 Es ist wirklich unmöglich, um zu beat Dracke an diesem Punkt, aber ich werde versuchen mit... Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,
03:49:30 Technically, it's not changing the questions. It's just... Yeah, it's just giving more points in case you have them correct. And the question is, during PQ17, the distant cover included a battleship that would record a rare feat for a few months down the line. Which and what? North Carolina, isn't it?
03:50:00 Is that your answer? It's North Carolina. No, wrong. It's USS Washington sinking Kirishima. Yes. We can't keep getting away with that. Okay, for the next time.
03:50:29 Instead of having Drach as a participant, I will just invite him as the host for the quiz.
03:50:40 Es ist eine North Carolina-Klasse, aber ich kann nicht, wenn es Carolina-Washington war. Und ich bin mit Carolina-Klasse. Oh, no! The key thing you have to remember, mit den Arctic Convoys, ist, dass die North Carolina-Klasse-Klasse-Klasse-Klasse-Klasse-Klasse-Klasse-Klasse-Klasse-Klasse-Klasse-Klasse-Klasse-Klasse-Klasse-Klasse-Klasse-Klasse-Klasse-Klasse-Klasse-Klasse-Klasse-Klasse-Klasse-Klasse-Klasse. Okay. All right.
03:51:13 Give me the Mediterranean for 400, please. Uh-huh, Mediterranean for 400. And the question is, what was the name of the major British naval operation in 1941 that crippled the Italian fleet at anchor in Toronto Harbor? Operation Catapult. Wrong. Operation Judgment. Damn it. Correctly. So that is...
03:51:42 uh been and now having 900 points and taking the uh first place the fun thing is there was actually two operation judgments uh also conducted by the british navy because there was another one that was done in 1945 at the end of the war against german submarines if i remember that correctly anyways um
03:52:06 Drach, your pick. I'll go with technology for 400. Please be something he doesn't know. Please be something he doesn't know. What does ASDIC stand for? He just did a video of me. He can't cheat. I'm going to wear my voice up and sound like a broken record.
03:52:30 Well, the funny thing is that according to most histories, it technically doesn't stand for anything. It's not an acronym like SONAR is. It's sometimes said to stand for Anti-Submarine Development Committee or Anti-Submarine Detection and Investigation Committee.
03:52:58 But some people dispute that and say it was just something they came up with at the time.
03:53:02 But it is indeed the answer we were looking for. Basically, the most relevant version I managed to find was that the IC was basically meaningless, because it was like, I don't know, it sounded scientifically. ASD stand stood for Anti-Submarine Division and was used in several different...
03:53:30 Parts of the ASDIC with different suffixes. And the Allied Submarine Detection Investigation Committee was first mentioned in 1939 as the background name, basically. When someone asked the Royal Navy, what does ASDIC mean, actually? Oh shit, we've got to comment on the definition. It's basically classic, the Royal Navy has got a name for something which is supposed to enable them to not answer a question.
03:53:59 uh quick quick at divine um for uh klemes our winner of the new orleans camouflage in case you haven't done so please whisper at world of warships so our twitch account i will quickly but that's the wrong window to to write in um right to you
03:54:24 You know, I said I'd give it a good go, but I think this is a tragic performance. The air conditioning has just come on right above me and it is lovely. Well, we have arctic conditions here. Yeah, that's why I turned the temperatures up earlier a bit in stream, because I was freezing here. Anyways. Oh dear.
03:54:49 I think this is now a killer bin's turn. I will take Atlantic for 400, please. Atlantic for 400. What 1943 battle marked a significant turning point in the Battle of the Atlantic due to heavy U-boat losses? Well, battle might... Are you asking for the name of the convoy? No, I'm asking partially about the time frame. Bloody May. I'm not looking for Bloody May, technically.
03:55:20 There's another term used for it. And I want the year. I want the year 1943. May 1943. Yes. It's almost there.
03:55:33 Clark is laughing. I've only ever heard it called Black May, maybe? Black May, Dark May. Yes, Black May. It's just one of those things. It's like, things go bad in World War I or World War II. It's either Bloody Month or Black Month. Also, it depends where you're talking about it. If you're talking about it from English language sources or European sources. Yeah. Well, it's a phrase. European will tend to go for Black.
03:55:59 Whereas English language will tend to go for bloody. Yeah, I think it was considered the in German news as well. It's when U-Boat losses do that. Yeah. And then don't come back down. No. Well, because the trouble is they lose so many of their experienced crew in that month, they can't train them up. Yeah.
03:56:21 I'm the only person who hasn't broached the quad digits. As we had established earlier as well during the Atlantic part, it's basically the moment when all of the different technologies kind of start to come together for the Royal and US Navies to...
03:56:39 the atlantic gap is filled by escort carriers uh there's their asw the catalinas and everything it's two big convoys and a bunch of escort groups fight their way through five wolf packs i think and sink like nine u-boats
03:57:00 It's also the first time where pretty much instead of using the information from the signals traffic analysis to thread the convoys and Enigma to thread the convoys around the wolf packs, they actually sort of thread those convoys into the wolf packs to specifically do the damage. Yeah. You have a well-armed, well-grouped, well-supported convoys. You send them through the wolf packs and you do the damage which they can't come back from.
03:57:29 okay all right all right dr clock um well there's a question in chat for which one of the answers of wolverine but you know um let's go for arctic 400 let's see what you get first we have a giveaway to run um give me a moment so you can please rumble on about something in the meantime
03:57:53 We can ramble a lot. It's Wolverine. Gunnessy Miller has one in the chat. Which are the two, the names of the two freshwater coal-fired side paddle wheel aircraft carriers of World War II? Wolverine and Sable. Sable, yeah. Well done. Yeah, Sable. Which is why the Great Lakes are the single greatest repository of preserved US Navy aircraft. Because of how many of them went off the wrong end. Trading carriers. That seems to be a tradition, right? Yes, especially now with today's, what's happening with the Dwight Houser.
03:58:22 Also, congratulations Show Viewer for winning the... Give me a moment. Well, I guess you could say he viewed the show. Okay, that was a bit weird. Show Viewer, yeah. Well, we've got to make him to answer. Come on, Show Viewer, you're in there somewhere. Exactly. Also, you know, I literally have a neuron activation moment every time someone says ramble about something. For four years, that's been my personality trait.
03:58:50 Come on, Sho, where are you? You're never going to let me live this down if you miss this. Come on. And for some reason, whenever I think of those two carriers, I want to call them Wolverine and Sybil, and I know it's not Sybil. I don't know why my brain goes Sybil, but sometimes my brain sits there going, Sybil, Sybil, Sybil, and I'm going, no, it's not Sybil. You've not been watching too much Downton Abbey, have you?
03:59:19 Oh, Fawlty Towers, my friend. I always think Sabretooth in Wolverine. Yeah, that's how I should try and remember it, so then I'd remember Sable. Sabretooth? Funnily enough, I have a slight Crossed Wires moment, and I go Lüchberg. Oh. Because I have always been a fan of the Swiss Railway Paddles team at Lüchberg, and so out my brain goes, Paddles! Lüchberg!
03:59:44 Show viewer is not here. Hello show viewer. You get 10 more seconds before I have to re-roll. He's going to follow me on Discord over there. Potentially. Five. Four. Three. Two. One. Lift off. No. Look, Dougal.
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04:00:12 Please speak up. Hello. Yeah, there he is. Once again, please send us a whisper. You want a Duke of York 75th Anniversary Victory Europe camouflage, permanent camouflage to add to this. In case you have it, you get doubloons. Ah, good.
04:00:39 You live closer to Scotland than I do. I would not start doing that. I'll live, I'm sure, I think. Hopefully. They've been raiding into the North of England for a long time. Final round. Yes, indeed. Give me a second to work through the remaining...
04:01:05 Okay. Ja, während wir noch warten, nur für die Medien, Sie alle sind glücklich, dass ich nicht in der Zeit herausfinde, was der Name des Destroyer war in den Guns of Navarone war, weil es in der Bibel war, aber die Texte des Bibel ist ziemlich schwer auf der Internet. Ja, ich...
04:01:33 Three media questions and I only got the one. Yeah, not a fine showing, I have to admit. Basically, we just proved that we have to send you like a watch list. Yes. You have to watch Das Boot. I am not what you might call a movie connoisseur. You could do some watchalongs on your Twitch channel. Is that allowed? React to Das Boot. Yeah. Behold this incredibly good but incredibly depressing movie.
04:02:01 Es ist einfacher zu machen auf Twitch, als es auf YouTube zu machen. YouTube wird ein bisschen lustig. Ja, YouTube hat manchmal sehr streit, aber... Sie will find you. Every time you see an inaccuracy in Midway 2019, take a short stream. Oh, no. No, no, no. It's the one scene of the three, and there are five Yamato's in it.
04:02:27 your tolerance fleets will be in hospital speaking of midway 2019 i probably will start bugging our developers to give me the kagero with torpedo yes the torpedoes in the place of aids are it yeah it's like it's a movie where if you don't know this the technical stuff it look it's fine
04:02:55 Aber du hast es, und du hast es, und du hast es, und du hast es, und du hast es, und du hast es, und du hast es, und du hast es, und du hast es, und du hast es, und du hast es, und du hast es, und du hast es, und du hast es, und du hast es, und du hast es, und du hast es,
04:03:22 Die Midway-Film ist... Und es machte den japanischen Anti-Aircraft-Fahren viel mehr effektiv, als es eigentlich war. Oh ja, Battlestar Karger ist present. Ja, die 25-Milk riecht viel zu schnell. Die Annoyenste Sache mit Midway 2019 für mich war, dass es so viele kleine technische Details waren, die richtig sind. Und dann waren es so viele, die so einfachen Sachen waren.
04:03:49 Why were the Yamatos with the Kido Butai? No, stop! Why were there five of them? I mean, that's just fleet influencing the state of the world. I will sink the US battle line with Gunfire. Just let me at them. Well, don't forget that at Pearl Harbor, every ship present was a Pennsylvania class, including the Tank and Eosho.
04:04:15 We have made this model. We will use this model. It's better than Pearl Harbor when every US ship in the fleet is an Ali Burke-hided missile destroyer. The weird thing is I was actually tempted to do a frame-by-frame between the two Pearl Harbor attack scenes, and the slightly bizarre thing is that the older Pearl Harbor movie, although, yeah, you have all the randomly exploding modern US ships,
04:04:42 The CGI bits they actually paid for when you've got the bombers going in and everything, they actually have different battleship models for Battleship Row, which are actually accurately placed as well. And that's the thing, Pearl Harbor gets so much stick, and rightly so, and they managed to do a better Pearl Harbor attack sequence. Literally, the Midway movie could have just licensed the Pearl Harbor attack scene and got it more accurate.
04:05:08 But that would have been inventive and also required studios to talk to each other. And as we all know, the only thing more difficult to get to talk to each other than the fence companies is movie studios. Or you can just go to the Japanese studios who build like a one-third scale Yamato. Yes. Yeah, the Yamato Museum, which I'm very much looking forward to in September, October, that's a big ship. Yes.
04:05:32 Ja, ich finde es lustig, dass James Cameron sagt, dass ich ein Titanic-Titanic-Titanic-Titanic-Titanic-Titanic-Titanic-Titanic-Titanic-Titanic-Titanic-Titanic-Titanic-Titanic-Titanic-Titanic-Titanic-Titanic-Titanic-Titanic-Titanic-Titanic-Titanic-Titanic-Titanic-Titanic-Titanic-Titanic-Titanic-Titanic-Titanic-Titanic-Titanic-Titanic-Titanic-Titanic-Titanic-Titanic-Titanic-Titanic-Titanic-Titanic-Titanic.
04:06:00 Das wäre wirklich weird zu sehen. Oh, wir machen das wieder, sind wir? Hang on a minute, ist sie supposed to be on the bottom of Bikini Assault? Was ist sie hier? Hang on a minute. Someone get their radiation crews. In terms of naval naming, we've got a new... Megami's come back. Karga's back.
04:06:25 Like, if the Japanese Self-Defense Maritime Force does decide to build biggish carriers, and they don't call them Shikaku and Zuikaku...
04:06:36 They're not exactly being subtle. No. Generally, of the three movies that cover the Pacific War, Tora, Tora, Tora is probably the best. I think the major issue with Tora, Tora, Tora is I think that's the first thing that gives Yamamoto the we've awoken a sleeping giant line. Oh, yeah, yeah. Which, as far as we can tell, he never said that. But it's just such a good line from the movie.
04:07:05 Es ist etwas, dass er es gesagt hat. Es ist etwas, dass er es gesagt hat. Es ist etwas, aber ich glaube, dass er es genau gesagt hat. Die Dinge, die wir in den Rekord haben, sind, sind aber nicht so succinctlich und so blunt. Ja. Das ist nicht seine Phraseologie. Das ist jemandem-Würfen-Würfen-Würfen-Würfen-Würfen, weil Yamato...
04:07:29 Was not the sort to... How do I put this? Put in five words when he can put in 35. Yeah, because he said something along the lines of, and I'm not sure if I'm quoting directly here, it might be a quasi-quote, but he said something along the lines of, for the first six months of any war with the Western powers, I can run rampant. After that, I have no prospect of success. I'm not sure of the exact words he said, but he said something along those lines. Which is fairly equivalent to Giant Turbo Resolve, but...
04:07:58 Ja, aber dann wieder zu sagen, das ist die Grundstunde der Japanese-Navy Doctrine, also das war nicht wirklich sein. Der ganze Warplan war über dieses Jahr. Können wir bitte BAN den Martin aus dem Chat, denn sie haben gerade den Film Battleship gemacht.
04:08:18 I mean, it makes Missouri look awesome. It does. I mean, it probably got her a spike in tickets. That should not be brought up. Yeah, because the quote this is, we have, was it, we have awoken a sleeping giant and filled him with terrible results. Yes. Yes. Which was basically the warnings that the Yamamoto was getting from...
04:08:41 Einige von den HVN-HV-Officern, die seine Planeten bevor die Attacken verletzten. Sie sagen, hey, nicht das. Sie werden sie zu viel verletzten. Wir brauchen sie, um die Peace zu verletzten. Ja, ich habe ein ganzes Video über die Attacken in Pearl Harbor gemacht, um zu erklären, wo es in der japanischen Doctrine ist. Ja. Ich habe nicht vergessen, dass Kantai Kessen nicht der einzige Doctrine ist. Das ist der Endpunkt ihrer Doctrine, der Decisiv-Battel. Die erste Sache ist, dass man den Krieg verletzt, als sie näher kommen.
04:09:09 The theory goes that Pearl Harbor has conceived this operation, which is going to get the Americans to charge across the Pacific, disregarding casualties while they're being attrited, and then you can do a decisive battle against their remaining forces. The trouble is, from that regard, the attack onto Pearl Harbor is too successful, because it means the Americans can't charge across at full strength. But also there's the fact that the Americans have worked out, so that was the Japanese plan, in the whole...
04:09:35 war plan orange saga and developing their war plans and so they had no intention of ever doing such a scenario of charging stupidly straight into the enemy's strongest point in other words they had no no desire to basically repeat what the russians did at toshima yeah yeah most of the way the geography etc they treated them most of all the americans even figured that they cannot do it because they don't have enough oilers right so even if they wanted to like yeah
04:10:03 I think it is time to move on to the final round of questions. Because there was a question from Yoshiro underscore MN, how long the stream would last? Well, probably even longer if you keep on rambling. Anyways. The question I've come with is, shall we leave the 400 point Arctic question, the remaining 400 point for the chat? I leave that up to the participants. I'll go with that.
04:10:32 was the naming of the destroyers for basis for stackers based on
Quizfragen und Antworten
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04:10:52 The fact that the british got a load of american four stackers for giving basing rights to the americans at various points around the empire. What was their naming convention? Not as easy anymore, eh? Campbelltown etc is a good example. They go for various towns, don't they?
04:11:18 Yes, but that's not the full answer that I'm looking for, or we are looking for. I cannot count that. Oh, good lord. Start the timer, start the timer. Indeed, indeed. Timer, timer, timer. Come on, come on, tick down. Come on, come on. Weren't they towns that were both American and British?
04:11:48 I know this one!
04:11:51 Ich glaube, dass ich auch mache. Ich denke, ich gehe mit Städten, die in den USA existieren, in den USA und den USA. Verrückt. Ja, ich lege mich nach dem Weg und habe gesagt, das ist der Punkt, ich gehe mit dem Städten. Du weißt, dass du dir die Antwort, dann sprachst du dir aus. Ja, genau. Ja, das ist das Problem mit mir. Ich habe dieses Habit in Quizzer, zu sprechen von mir aus den Antworten.
04:12:19 A few of the towns were also named after towns in the Empire-Commonwealth. Arctic for 400, please. Gotcha. How many Arctic convoys were undertaken?
04:12:42 I want the exact number this time. In the triple digits. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's in the triple digits, but it's in the low triple digits. Are we counting just Convoys 2 or Convoys 2 and From? Convoys 2. Oh, and that is not triple digits. So it's PQs and JWs. Yeah, I know.
04:13:11 Time for the timer. Buzz 53. Wrong.
04:13:40 76. Wrong. 78. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Correct. Repeat, repeat, fleek quote ad nauseam. Something, something, something. Get away with this. Something, something, something. Can't eat. Something, something. The key thing to remember about it, well, it doesn't help that the JW series starts way up in the 50s after PQ19 is disbanded.
04:14:09 Aber die andere Sache, die du musst, ist, dass die J.W.A. und J.W.A. und J.W.A. und J.W.A. und J.W.A. und J.W.A. und J.W.A. und J.W.A. und J.W.A. und J.W.A. und J.W.A. und J.W.A. und J.W.A. und J.W.A. und J.W.A. und J.W.A. und J.W.A.
04:14:37 Ja, und dann haben wir auch ein paar Operationen. Ich war nur 20 Jahre alt. Ich habe nur 20 Jahre alt. Ich bin nur 20 Jahre alt. Ich bin nur 20 Jahre alt. Ich bin nur 20 Jahre alt. Ich bin nur 20 Jahre alt. Ich bin nur 20 Jahre alt. Ich bin nur 20 Jahre alt. Ich bin nur 20 Jahre alt. Ich bin nur 20 Jahre alt.
04:15:08 So I guess I'll take technology for 200 since I'm doing quite well with the technologies.
04:15:17 I mean, talk about a simple one, I guess. Which one? Because there's like 11. The Enigma. Yeah. Oh, my God. No. No.
04:15:42 Was ist Fruchtini? Was ist Fruchtini? Was ist Fruchtini? Was ist Fruchtini? Was ist Fruchtini?
04:16:03 Was was Kriegsmariner's encryption machine? And then disallow any Enigma answers because they then have to answer for Rotor Enigma and from the year it was introduced.
04:16:24 Ich will take mediterranean 200 okay
04:16:41 Was British deception operation successfully missed? Operation Mincemeat. I saw Allied invasion, Sicily deception, Mincemeat. I'm not even allowed to read the question. The question is, did it actually mislead the Germans? Yes. You know, there's actually something we'll get to. The division went to Greece.
04:17:04 Das ist eigentlich etwas, was wir zu sehen, denn das ist natürlich der letzte Thema für heute. Aber erstens haben wir noch ein Giveaway. Und der Winner von Implacable Camouflage, nicht Implacable, ist Lord underscore Bellmar. Wenn Sie hier sind, bitte schreiben Sie etwas in Chat. Warum ist Implacable und nicht Implacable? In English.
04:17:33 Es hat no rules. Es ist implacable. Das ist etwas, was die Lange macht keinen Sinn. Da ist Lord Belmar. Er ist unter der G-G-Z. Ja, ja. Ja, ja. Ja, ja, ja, ja. Ja, ja, ja, ja. Ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja
04:18:02 They will never leave until the liquid stops rolling. One of the best things I like about the English language is, not only do we have weird words like implacable and indefatigable, but somewhere along the lines, we've lost the other half of that. Because you can say someone's implacable, but how often do you use the word placable? Oh, Drax won, Lyons. Drax has won.
04:18:30 Maybe because Drack is excellent at stealing people's points and I just always feel guilty doing it. You know, and I've just sat here and I'm staring at the number. Mostly he's stolen them off Fleet because, let's be honest, Fleet just couldn't answer a question tonight. But it's not been my moment, lads. I'm going to be honest with you. If Drack was just going by the points he got from his own questions, he and I are not that far apart.
04:18:56 But because he got so many of Fleet's questions right, because I couldn't keep kicking Fleet because he was so far down, but Drac had less quality. I would rather you have kicked me and got it so you could at least compete with him. Because now I've lost Rae, so I've got to go down and talk about Mishara. But in many ways, this is more humorous for me that you have lost and Drac has done quite so well. I can hold my head up high because I answered most of my questions. I'm maintaining the finest traditions of the British Navy in appropriating other people's stuff.
04:19:25 Of course you come for the man with the French flag. Yes. Are you sure you are Australian? We shall rename Fleet of Oceans to Drax Point Reserve. I'm already your question and answer machine. So you're putting the answer into the bot? Give me a moment. I will A. Put the answer into the bot and B.
04:19:56 What's the question? Let me put the answer in first and then we'll go, of course, to the question. So, because otherwise players will already start answering stuff and this would be then counterproductive because they would be too fast with answering in that regards and the bot is not set yet. So, this is...
04:20:22 Holy hell, suddenly everything is yellow. Arctic and 100 points. 200 now technically, but you know, it was double points, so only 100. That means I need to go back.
04:20:42 There is actually a good suggestion coming from the chat that in future, Philippe should just be answering questions on Azure Lane, while the rest is answering. No, no, you don't. You're not sneaking that one in there. Not a cat in Elf's chance. Putting my foot down. No. No, no, no, no, no, no. No. Next time we do this, I am more than willing to be the chat host, though.
04:21:05 Oh Gott. Ja, das ist sehr... Wir können ein Rotating Ding, wo einer uns die Wins die nächsten Zeit hat in den Chat. Das wäre interessant. Just check what videos Drax made in the past month and make sure we don't ask questions on those topics. So, to give a hint, technically it's three words, or, well, I'm looking for at least two words mentioned for the question. It's set now, and...
04:21:33 Okay, interesting. Anyways, let's move on to the last question. The last question is, why would convoys sometimes sail to Murmansk and sometimes to Arkhangelsk? Buzzer quickly, give me the buzzer. No. We talked about this, chat. We actually talked about this. Yes, we actually did. I'm looking for two different words here.
04:22:02 Du bist über zwei andere Worte? Weil die Antwort ist besser als Tuba zu spielen. Ja, sehr gut. Acceptabel. Vielleicht sollte ich das.
04:22:18 I agree, the badger playing the tuber is definitely a good reason. That would be impressive. Yeah. It's not as impressive as a man who can swallow a plate. Well, I don't know. There is always a fox playing a flute. Ah, but you forget Derek from accounting. He's impressive. We're just at the point of how many different ways can we say there was ice? Yeah. Some people are saying sea monsters. Ah, yes, the secret Nazi super kraken.
04:22:45 How could we forget the fruits of SS Bioscience? I can say as much. I'm not looking for ice. This is not the word. Although one of the correct reasons, it's not the answer I'm looking for. But yes, the reason is there was ice in one of the ports, which basically froze over during a special time of the year.
04:23:11 Okay, I have to warn you, there is now a new edition of probably the worst joke ever known to mankind. New Pope has a degree in Mathematics from Villanova University. This guy doesn't just understand sin, he understands cos. Oh no, stop it! I'm so happy I've got tomorrow off.
04:23:39 Not only am I losing the quiz, but I had to hear you land the flattest version of that joke I have ever heard. Yeah. So we'll give you a few more moments, guys. So to give you a hint, we are looking for a time of the year, a period of the year as the answer.
04:24:10 So, yes, the answer ice and the port freezing over is indeed correct. Let's not break that. I shall give it another 30 seconds for entries.
04:24:33 Honestly, I'm kind of glad I couldn't buzzer, because I think I would have got it wrong. Well, I do have one of the other things. I do have the other thing, but I can't say it until, obviously, you know, there's a lot of people mentioning, I'm mentioning Eyes, which is fair, but there is also one thing I remember from our conversation about the difference between Amansk and Arkhangelsk. Very key difference. We can probably start...
04:25:02 talking about this um we'll choose a winner now and the winner is uber spartan 117 my god he's still here my goodness the man is a stealth aircraft
04:25:15 He's an F117. Is he here, though? The question is. Mr. Uberspartan. Yes, hey, I won. Excellent. Excellent. Okay. And Dutch Eagle and Flyer has got it. He said Arkhangels was a fully developed port further away from the Germans. That would not be the answer I'm actually looking for, because the answer we were looking for was summer versus winter. Murmansk would not ice up.
04:25:43 And the answer, the keyword was winter in this case. Ah, right. You said you wanted, ah, that's why you wanted two words. No. Yes, we're running out.
04:26:00 I'm running low on battery. My mic is also running low on battery. Yes, yes, yes. Oh no. Yes, we will do a quick switcheroo, I guess, with the break. The mics are starting to die down. Wireless mics for the win, I guess. Too long of a stream. Ramblings, ramblings. Meaning we will... I'm going to start charging you for use of that word. Rambling? No. No. Absolutely not.
04:26:29 No, I'm not going to go like the, what's it called? Those two YouTubers who tried to, you know, they tried to... That's the one, yes. I'm not going to follow that path. I'm not that vindictive. It would be funny for all of five seconds that it would get annoying. Don't think so.
04:26:51 Okay, while the good old Taki tries to find a solution to the running low on batteries. I'm on orange. I have no idea what that means. I think that means you have potentially, hopefully, half an hour to 15 minutes left. Well, Chad, if I suddenly go off the air, tell Brookty. Worst case, if Bin suddenly is gone, we will just move him over to the other mic and give him more mic powers.
04:27:16 Mike Powers. Mike Powers.
04:27:24 It always feels weird looking at myself on the screen. Never quite get over it. No, you don't. So, I am vanishing again, and with that, we have reached the third segment, or technically the last segment, the third naval engagement segment and area, the Mediterranean. Please take it away. I see our... So, the Mediterranean. If you've got any questions, chat, put them in now.
Mögliche italienische Strategien im Mittelmeer
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04:27:52 The Mediterranean is the one area where I think the Axis came closest to the possibility of achieving total naval dominance. It's the area in which I would argue closest and at certain points the Italians had more ships generally in the Mediterranean than the British did. In fact, it was quite common that they would. But unfortunately, it seems to be every time the Italians
04:28:19 würde sie in eine Position zu quasi sortieren, ihre gesamte Flüchtlinge in eine Weise, um die britischen Flüchtlinge zu kommen, in eine Weise, dass sie sie mit guten Odden in eine Weise, die sie mit gutem Werte, aka just prior zu Taranto. Taranto happens, so die italienischen Flüchtlinge kann nicht sortieren.
04:28:35 die vier Rebuilds und zwei Littorios. Aber das wäre nicht ein guter Zeit für sie, denn das ist auch wenn die Royal Navy ist eigentlich an der Peak in der Strength. Remember, als Teil der Taranto-Operation, sie werden alle Battleships und andere Vessels verabschiedet und verabschiedet zwischen den Fortschritten. So, eigentlich, one der Reasons die Taranto-Operation eigentlich happens ist, dass die Italieninnen get distracted von all die verschiedenen Convoys die British haben, in der Medtrainien, including Arc Royal, launching a strike further up in Italy, und das ist was sie, was sie für sie verabschiedet.
04:29:03 So, yeah, that's not a good time for them to come out. That would have been a big fight, yes, but it would have been a full fleet action. And whilst the Italians were good, their night fighting was their weakness. I'd like to ask both you and Drac, as the proper experts here, I'm just the comic relief, which, of all the occasions the Italians had an advantage,
04:29:28 Do you two have a pick for which you think would have been the time to come out and actually fight that decisive engagement for control of the Mediterranean? Sir? Hmm. I mean, if they can catch Force H on its retreat, where Force H is held up because they've got an R and Renown.
04:29:55 They could have potentially caught a portion of Force H and destroyed that. That is following the bombardment of Genoa. Songshake, do you hear me? Yes. Powerbank for the Wing. Excellent.
04:30:15 Ich denke, die Problem ist, dass die zwei Punkte, wo die Mediterranean-Fleet ist, die es weakest ist, wo man könnte die Italienischen Consorti sagen und sagen, hey, wir sind hier dominiert, wir kommen hier und fighten uns, oder conceden.
04:30:30 The problem is, the Mediterranean fleet then wouldn't come out. Because you'd have either the period in early 1942, where everything is being scrambled to the east, for the eastern fleet. Warspites there, carriers being sent there, stuff's being drained out of the Mediterranean. That would be one good opportunity. But the whole policy at that point is, if the Italians do try something, they might.
04:31:00 scramble the Eastern Fleet back through the Suez Canal. The other one would, of course, be what we discussed in the quiz with the 10th Flotilla taking out Queen Elizabeth and Valiant, because that's the two most modern, most capable battleships of the Mediterranean Fleet out of action, and what's left of the Mediterranean Fleet at that point is in a bit of, you know, they wouldn't be able to match up against the Italian Fleet if the Italian Fleet sailed.
04:31:28 Yeah, this is the problem, isn't it? The Italian fleet needs to sail, but they all... So, the Italian fleet needs to sail, they need the British to sail, but they need the British to sail thinking they can win, but the Italians need to... But it's a catch-22. I think it's more a case of that it's almost like the Italian fleet wants to sail escorting the mother of all convoys.
04:31:54 Weil, perennially, Axis Forces in Nordafrika ist immer ein Problem. Es ist ein Problem, dass man einen Problem mit dem Gelegenheiten, auch wenn sie sie in Nordafrika kommen. Das ist das Problem. Man kann nicht ein paar Konvoys senden, denn man kann zwei Schäden an einigen. Ja, so...
04:32:19 The other thing you could do, potentially, if you were the Italians, would be to take either Harpoon, Pedestal or Vigorous, pick which one of those you have the most ships available for, and sort you to intercept that towards the end of its run towards Malta. Because at that point, you'll have the... I mean, yes, there's a lot of Allied warships escorting the convoy,
04:32:48 But if you pick the peak time when you've got maximum Metallium ship availability, you probably have more. And the escort force will have been attritioned either with losses and with damage from air attack. And they are pinned to a certain degree to the convoy. Obviously they can break from the convoy to try and engage you, but there's only so much they can do. Because if you start...
04:33:14 say flanking around them at high speed, because your battle line is capable of 30 plus knots, they have to, you know where they have to go in order to keep you in their sights. And of course, if you, miracle of miracles, get the Regier Marin and the Regier Aeronautica somewhat vaguely talking to each other, and maybe the Luftwaffe as well, and get them all to pile in with mass air attacks at the same time, that might force the
04:33:42 Konvoy Escort to give battle. And if it's one of those three big convoys, then there's enough ships there that winning that battle could actually give you a major advantage going forward. I'd actually argue that there were actually points where they were winning. The first and the second battle of Surt are what spring to my mind. At both those points, they managed to fight pretty darn successfully.
04:34:09 Sie sind absolut...
04:34:15 Es ist einfach so gefährlich. Und wenn man die erste Battle of Sirt hat, die Italien haben mit 4 Battleships, 2 Heavy Cruisers, 3 Light Cruisers und 13 Destroyers. Und Vien hat nur 5 Light Cruisers und ein paar... Ich denke, es ist ein paar dozen, eigentlich. Es ist oft ein 14, aber es ist ein paar dozen der Roughly Effective Destroyers unter seinen Commanden. Und er hat einfach nur einen Dominator.
04:34:39 Und das ist Philipp Wien, einer der größten Admirals der Royal Navy, der sich immer produziert. Der Mann, der literally, an aircraft carrier, um die Japaner, weil das der einzige Weg kann, um seine Piloten zu holen. Weil sie dann immer noch nicht, dass er eine Chance gibt, um die Force zu holen, um die Piloten zu holen, um die Piloten zu holen. Also, er führt seine Karriere Group.
04:34:59 Functionally insane, that man, sometimes. Yeah, but five cruises... Both of the battles assert that the Italians are functionally the more powerful fleet in the Mediterranean. They are functionally bossing around. The fact that they don't achieve what they could do is mostly because their own operating instructions. And this is the fundamental problem for the Italians, the Axis, for the Japanese all the time, is their rules of engagement.
04:35:29 Es ist was ihre Leidenschaft hat in Bezug auf die Regeln, was sie können, was sie können, was sie können, was sie können, was sie können, was sie können, was sie können, was sie können, was sie können, was sie können, was sie können, was sie können, was sie können, was sie haben. Eine der Grunde von World War II ist, dass oft die Allies, und ja, sie haben die Vorteile von Nummern, so natürlich sie sind mehr bereit, theoretisch zu riskieren, aber auch wenn sie höher in Nummern sind, sie sind mehr bereit zu riskieren, um sie zu erreichen.
04:35:57 than often the Axis high command is. Please note, I'm not talking about the ship commanders, they are just as aggressive, they're just as passionate, but their high command and rules of engagement they're given are often far more restrictive.
04:36:12 Ja, weil Iacchino, die generell tends to command when the Italians put a major force into the area, is generally seen as a competent but cautious officer, which makes sense given the orders, because you don't want to be, especially in a fascist regime, you don't want to be the admiral that lost a battleship because you pressed an advantage.
04:36:41 Because that's a quick way to get thrown off the tarpe and rock. Yeah, you want small victories you can big up and boost your prestige with rather than risking everything for a potential of a big victory. If you get the big victory, congratulations. But if the likelier option happens and you get your ship shot out from under you, then yeah. And I guess we can also cover some of the common myths. Because often it's attributed that the Italian fleet...
Italienische Marine: Mythen, Radar und Invasion des Dodekanes
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04:37:07 The reason the Italian fleet isn't effective in World War II is because they don't have enough fuel. Which is, I mean, it's partially true at points, but the Italians... It's more often than not, they don't have the fuel in the right places. Yes, like the fuel, because in Italy, most of the industry is up north. The Po River, that kind, like the European part of Italy, not the sort of the leg of Italy.
04:37:35 So, and if your refineries and all the oil that the fleet needs is coming in through from like Romania and Hungary and all of that area, it still needs to get brought down to Taranto and the other fleet bases. And the amount of fuel the fleet uses every time it's sorted is a vast amount. And it takes time to recover and refill the tanks at the bases.
04:38:02 And I'm going to talk about another 10th quickly, because you have to remember, some of the U-class submarines for the Royal Navy, which worked for 10th Flotilla, based out of Malta, sometimes the most dangerous weapon systems they carried were a couple of SBS men, who would literally go ashore and blow up railway tracks and railway tunnels. They did all sorts of explosives-laying operations.
04:38:26 Und sie würden das hier auf und auf den Adriatic-Otto gehen. Und sie würden sagen, warum ist es Wurft-Wilden? Was ist die Risk-Value? Es ist wirklich zu stoppen. Das ist die größte Sache. Das ist die größte Sache. Das ist die größte Sache. Das ist die größte Sache. Das ist die größte Sache. Das ist die Sache mit Taranto. Wir sprechen über das Operation. Wir haben es als Teil der Operation. Die aktuelle Airstriker auf Taranto ist nicht die nastieste Sache die Briten sind zu den Italians, psychologically, an dieser Stelle. Und das ist die Sache, die die meisten Probleme für die Operation haben.
04:38:53 It's the fact that while they're doing that, British send some cruisers actually into the Adriatic and end up fighting a battle while coming out of the Adriatic and destroying a convoy. And for the Italians, that is absolutely, you have gone into their backyard.
04:39:09 Ja, das ist ja, das ist ja, das ist ja, der Italian Navy war in schlecht in diesem Sinne.
04:39:38 Ich denke, dass der Admiral, der in der besten Situation war, war nämlich Nimitz, weil die Politiker grünen über den Westen, also er hat die alten Battleshipen da und sie haben nicht mehr zu interessieren. Es ist so, dass ich sie nicht benutze, also ich protecte. Und sie waren 70,000 Kilometer von ihm, das war immer ein Vorteil. Cunningham liebte es, wenn er in Alexandria war, weil die Politiker waren auf der anderen Seite der Mediterranean und nicht mehr nach dem Himmel. Das ist fantastisch.
04:40:07 Die Italian fleet ist bereit, um die landings auf Italien zu contesten. Sie haben die fuel. Die fleet, als ein Institution, ist bereit zu kämpfen und sterben, um die homeland zu defendern.
04:40:25 Und wenn die Deutschen in den Norden der Italien befinden, dann finden sie die Italien in den Führersen. Und so die Deutschen versuchen, die Italien in den Führersen zu passen, als leis und cowards und so, wenn es so ist, sie haben die Führersen, aber es ist nicht in den richtigen Platz. Ja. Es ist wie die Sache, die Germans und Italien hatten eine Agreement, pre-war, dass Deutschland in den Führersen würde, die Italien in den Führersen zu geben.
04:40:54 And then they don't. They don't keep their end of the bargain. Funny that. And then Matapan happens. And then these German radars start arriving. And then you've also got the fact that Italy is working on its own radar systems. Italian scientists know what they're doing, but it's just Italy as an industrial state isn't at the same level as Germany, the United States, France even.
04:41:20 Well, the thing is, the Italians were in mid-updation grade. They had the whole Abyssinia crisis. They found all these problems in their forces. Mussolini gets an agreement from Hitler that he's not going to go to war before 1942 as part of their alliance. And so he thinks he's got more time and they're building up all their infrastructure industry. They're trying to work on these, on renewing their forces. And they're basically halfway through.
04:41:46 The upgrade, or even a third of the way, depending on which part of the force structure you're looking at, through the upgrade process, when war breaks out, and I never really get to complete the upgrade process. Because they have even more trouble getting their imports and managing their resources than Germany does, because...
04:42:03 The Italians were a maritime-based economy when it came to the movement of goods. They were dependent upon coastal convoys for a lot of the movements of a lot of their goods. You only have to look at the railway infrastructure they have and what exactly happens to it. A lot of their goods are moving by sea. And this is where, if you consider the highest scoring British submarine captains in World War II, where are they? They're all tent floats. They're all the ones operating in the Mediterranean, going up and down the Italian coast, going, oh, convoy.
04:42:32 Convoy, oh, that's nice, we'll do that. Or convoy crossing the Mediterranean to go to North Africa. And that's the other problem, you know, having the merchant ships for that means, and losing the merchant ships for that means you don't have the merchant ships going up and down your coast. Italy is in a constant catch-22 scenario. They are never given a good option. It's always a dilemma of we go with that bad option or that bad option, which one is going to be the least worst option?
04:43:00 Und die Regium Arena ist der einzige Axis-Branche, um zu entscheiden, dass Enigma wurde kompromisiert. Ja, ich meine, wir haben über das in den vorherigen Instalungen gesprochen, aber ich wollte, dass ich in die Mediterraneanen ein bisschen von einem anderen Angeln wollte. Und ja, ich admit, ich bin inspiriert durch die Forschung für die Fragen für die Medien-Section.
04:43:29 Was ist in dem Jahr 1943 passiert? Wie haben die Deutschen geschafft?
04:43:38 The shoestring invasion of the Italian Dodecanese Islands and basically hold them until the end of the war. I'm not familiar with this operation. So Italy surrenders. British forces attempt to occupy several of the Dodecanese Islands. Rhodes and Kos are the two big ones because they have major all-weather airbases.
04:44:06 And the troops are landed, the Italian troops on the island kind of accept them. Then the Germans manage to launch an invasion from Greece and take the island. And it costs, I mean, it costs the British several thousand troops. The air forces don't interdict the attacks. I believe, unfortunately, it also leads to a massacre of Italian troops on one of the islands. The Germans just shoot them all.
04:44:35 The occupation of the islands was Churchill's idea. Of course. Because everyone else is focused on Italy, so he's like Greece. Because he's old empire, so Greece is important. Which is why in 1944 you get all the weirdness going on with the Germans don't bomb Athens, but the British do.
04:45:02 Ja, aber das ist es. Wie haben die Deutschland tatsächlich geschafft, um die Operation auf diese Ebene zu bringen? Weil auf der Allieden Seite es war eine Schuss-Stein-Operation, sozusagen die Begründung von dem, was vorhanden in Alexandria war, glaube ich. Aber die Deutschland hatten ihre Hände voll in Italien, sie hatten ihre Hände voll in Jugoslavischen Partizisten. Sie haben nicht wirklich so viele Air Forces left.
04:45:31 In the Eastern Mediterranean? The difference really was that the Germans, although, as you said, they didn't have much, they had a little bit of everything. So it was, to a certain degree, a combined arms operation. I mean, let's face it, outside of the various requisition ships they used for transport, they didn't have a huge amount of naval strength. But it meant they had ships to move stuff. They had troops.
04:45:59 ...to do occupation and fighting, and they had the air support. And the Allied response was a little bit all over the place, as you said, kind of a little bit of a grab bag. And because of that, it wasn't as coordinated as, you know, and again, although the Germans didn't have that many resources, they did at least try to coordinate what they were doing. I think it was also a surprise that they actually attempted a counterattack. Yeah.
04:46:27 Und auch die Fakt der Germans hatten die Airpower. Weil die Leute sagen, oh, bei der Late War, die Anti-Aircraft-Gunse haben wirklich sehr effektiviert. Ja, aber Bombers und Attack-Craft, Attack-Fighter-Bombers haben auch noch advanced. Und wenn man ohne Air-Cover geht, dann ist es noch nicht in für ein guter Zeit. Ja, ich denke, in Grieße, besonders, da waren immer noch elementen...
04:46:56 Post-Mincemeat Deception Forces. In the same way that when Overlord happens, the Germans keep an entire army in Calais. Because Normandy's a diversion. And this is Hitler and the High Command going, Italy's a diversion, they're going to land in Greece. It's like, no. I've been to Greece, I wouldn't want to drive a tank in Greece. To be fair...
04:47:19 I've been to Italy, I wouldn't want to drive a tank through Italy either. At least you've got highways in Italy. Then everyone knows where they are and you can look from a mountain and shoot at you. But there's a nice road and you'd be amazed how much World War II military doctrine and planning revolves around, but road good. Everything else around is awful. Mountains, swamps, bogs, but road good.
04:47:47 I will drive down this road. In terms of the Allied forces deployed to it, they're destroyers, but they're hunt class destroyers. And they're basically, in the nicest way, it was very much as far as the Allies were concerned. The Americans didn't even supply aircraft. They were supposed to provide P-38 lightnings. They didn't. There was a whole debate over that one and various things went wrong with it. And you start to look at the forces and the infantry forces and this, that, and attachments and going,
04:48:17 Okay, so we've got demoralized Italians, we've got the Germans getting their mate pretty much first, and whilst George Jellico certainly does deserve our appreciation for him, and yes, we are talking about the son of John Jellico, George Jellico, who was a one-man army for most of World War II in terms of special forces, he's...
04:48:41 He probably deserves more of a movie, or at least a TV show made about him, more than Paddy Main in some regards. Although Paddy Main certainly deserves the work he got up from. But the thing is...
04:48:56 Sie machen all sorts of random operatoren. Sie sind einfach überstretched. Es gibt nur so viele Fortsen, und die Major Commitment ist in Italy. Und nachdem du in Italien bist, was der Dogenes wirklich getetet wird? Es ermöglicht sich die Russen durch die Black Sea? Das sie nicht haben können, weil die Sevastopol noch nicht geholfen hat.
04:49:22 Ja, und dann ist es, was der Punkt in doing es? Was der Punkt in committing? Die Necessary Forces, Sie müssen und nehmen es. Wenn Sie es auf die Cheap machen, Sie können es auf die Cheap machen. Wenn Sie können es auf die Cheap machen, Sie können es auf die Cheap machen, Sie können es auf die Cheap machen. Ja. Es ist Churchill versucht, die in eine bessere Position post-war zu tun. Ja, basically. Es ist Churchill versucht, die Churchill zu tun. Er hat eine gute Idee. Ja.
04:49:50 Because on paper it sounds great. Yeah. You know, we really have to stop this bright idea fairy from visiting Churchill. It's causing a lot of problems. Yeah, and I just wait. I have told you, Fleets, that my current now thing, if I wish to really curse someone and for them to often not understand this, may the bright idea fairy visit you often.
04:50:12 No, no. That is the cruelest curse in my arsenal. And most people do not understand how cruel it is. But by the way, to chat, I give that freely to you. You can use that now on people. Made a bright idea. Wisdom is always chasing you, but you are faster.
04:50:31 Do we really want to spread that particular power? I feel like this might be giving too much power into the hands of chat. I think Churchill is a prime case of why every head of state, especially a very charismatic and bright idea, very cursed head of state, needs a very competent staff that manages to
04:50:53 Delay and distract and kick the most of the bright ideas under the carpet so that they never happen. That only works if the guy in charge doesn't also make himself Ministry of Defense. Either you need someone who can go no, or someone who is skilled in creative malicious obedience. Ah yes, malicious compliance, that is the way. Yes, exactly.
04:51:20 Gneisenau mit Bleicher nach Waterloo. Die Generäle. Gneisenau dachte, dass es besser wäre, wenn die Prussian Armee nach Waterloo arrived, damit Wellington nicht rauskommt und sie nicht entfernt. Er hat sehr creativ, um die Arbeit des Staffs zu tun, um die Armee zu machen, wie Bleicher wollte.
04:51:48 der letzte Korps nach der Linie wird die Anwanderung, also der letzte Korps hatte die anderen drei Korpsen, bevor die Armee kann marchen. Es war so, dass er nach drei bis vier Stunden dauert. Sehr sensibel. Aber ich würde sagen, dass du jemanden wie Admiral Henderson, der 3rd Sealord von der Royal Navy, prior zu World War II.
04:52:09 in 1939. He's the guy, of course, who got HMS Unicorn, not an aircraft carrier. It's a forward aviation support ship built as an auxiliary. It's not an aircraft carrier, okay? It's honestly not an aircraft carrier. And a few other projects through. And he was... You need someone who's going to look at the politicians and not lie to them. You never lie to them because then they can catch you on that and they can hold you accountable for that.
04:52:36 but would tell them a version of the truth which they couldn't dispute. Exactly. Yeah. It's like the British military uses Gurkha forces to practice amphibious assaults pre-war and then never uses them in the entire war.
04:52:53 They basically are the amphibious warfare experts in the Indian Ocean developed in 1920s. Gurkhas and the Royal Navy, because the army won't give them any other force to go, oh, you can have the Gurkhas to go do it. And the Gurkhas get really, really good at amphibious warfare. Really good in the 1930s. And at no point in World War II are they ever used for a single amphibious operation, ever. No point. To answer your question.
04:53:21 Germany has a lot of brown coal, yes. It's not the only coal they have. There was crude oil in Austria that they were extracting. There was crude oil in Hungary, which is why the last German offensive of World War II is in Hungary, not at the gates of Berlin. You've got the Romanian oil fields are the most famous, Polestia and all that, but it's not the only one. They were getting supplies from the Soviet Union before Operation Barbarossa.
04:53:48 And the Germans were world leaders in synthetic fuel production. Because they anticipated a problem. So it's, you can turn coal into gasoline.
04:54:00 Through a very complicated chemical process. Hydrogenation, I think. I have that feeling we rambled on from the Mediterranean to other points and paths. We are almost at 10 p.m. Prague time. That means almost 9 p.m. British time. So I think...
04:54:19 We will call it a good night here. And everyone goes their merry ways till we meet again on the 23rd for a new Armchair Admirals taking and talking about Okinawa and Operation 10. Luffy. Luffy. Yes. We're only two weeks early with her announcement. Yes.
04:54:43 See you all then, and also until the next quiz. Yes, until the next quiz, which I will definitely win, honestly, definitely, totally. Won't get my cheeks out to beat again. Thank you, gentlemen, for joining us. Thank you for joining us. I hope you had fun. Thank you. Bye-bye. Bye-bye.